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I had reported about a month or so ago a story regarding a friend who is a teacher. She had asked me a question about union dues and I got her up to speed regarding the Beck decision.
My friend does not agree with the gay agenda of the teachers union and wanted money back that goes to political causes. The union thugs really gave her a hard time and said they would kick her out of the union. Then, they said they could divert that portion to a charitable cause. No, she said, I want the money rebated.
It took about a month and a half but of about $700 in yearly dues, she just received a check for $171. Does that mean that 1/4 of the dues are going to political purposes, leftist political purposes?
Now, two other teachers at her school want to get money back and a few other teachers I know in another school want the same thing.
This should be music to our ears. As I recall, over 25% of all delegates to the Democratic National Convention were teachers. It is time to drive a dagger into the heart of their fundraising ability through the shakedown they call union dues.
Please contact any teacher you know and ask them if the union notifies them once a year as is required by law of their right to get back funds. If they have never notified them, it may be possible for them to get several years of money back. That could be devastating to the union.
Well, let's get to it. FReeping the teachers union.
Tell your friend to contact the Association of American Educators a wonderful conservative teacher's professional association endorsed by Dr. James Dobson. Many teachers pay dues to the NEA because they feel they need the liability insurance provided by the NEA state affiliates. Through the AAE, your friend can actually get MORE liability insurance at a much lower annual dues rate. Here is the AAE's web site address.
http://www.aaeteachers.org/
Check it out freepers. It's for real. Get the word out to the teachers and let them know that they are not alone. At last, they have a real choice, thank God.
Check it out freepers. It's for real. Get the word out to the teachers and let them know that they are not alone.
Wonderful idea. Is there any way that we could mass produce this? We would need some good literature or info and teacher union mailing lists and e-mail lists. Surely there is some enterprsing Freeper who could help us out here.
I would be willing to put some time and some money (stamps, envelopes, mailing labels) into an organized project to get Beck decision info to union members, particularly teachers union members.
Hello there to the Bard Man. The wife says she gets the same notification once a year, and they have 3 options, charity, the dems, or a refund of get this 15 bucks. They get her for around 1200 for dues and they claim 15 of that goes to pacs. But the real deal is that if you cause them anymore than 15 dollars worth of problems, you get blackballed, no joke. We know another very conservative teacher that went through the ringer over all of this. She told me, it just wasn't worth in the end. Ya know how it goes, Get the teachers union layin for ya, the school board smellin a stooge, and well; nothin better for the public to do than hate them devil teachers. So most teachers just want to teach and avoid the problems. But it does seem that the entire hierarchy of the educational system is completely controlled by the libs, and I agree it must be changed.
Tell your friend to contact the Association of American Educators a wonderful conservative teacher's professional association endorsed by Dr. James Dobson. Many teachers pay dues to the NEA because they feel they need the liability insurance provided by the NEA state affiliates. Through the AAE, your friend can actually get MORE liability insurance at a much lower annual dues rate. Here is the AAE's web site address.
http://www.aaeteachers.org/
Check it out freepers. It's for real. Get the word out to the teachers and let them know that they are not alone. At last, they have a real choice, thank God.
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My friend, thank you for posting this information. This is the most important thing I have seen on freerepublic.com since I joined a few days ago.
More people have to concentrate on the above, and what I mear here is: informing the teachers that they have an alternative(s) to the leftist teacher union they are stuck with now.
Check out "National Right To Work Foundation" website. They will recover maffia dues not used for collective bargining and will represent you. Sorry for no link. HTML impaired. D
Wait a sec...I thought Clinton wrote an EO which nullified the Beck decision. ??
No, Bill Clinton simply ordered the Dept of Justice to ignore the Beck decision.
L
Would not tactics like this fall under prosecution by the RECO act ??
I have actually talked to an attorney in the W. Coast office of Judicial Watch and my friend was prepared to meet with him if the union did not give her the money.
A-ha! Thanks Lurker!
Press Here Association of American Educators
Glad to be of service.
L
That's a good deal for her. I am a Teamster and when I tried to get mine refunded they said their regs required I resign from the union and only pay the bargaining costs part of the dues.
Oh, and by the way, they claimed that only about a dollar out of the 25 dollars a month went to politics.
I didn't do it because I don't want out of the union, only for them to stop giving my money to leftist tax raising jerk-offs.
Another Teamster for Impeachment and Chemical Castration.
Ernie D.
I forgot to ask. Did she find an organization that could help her, similar to WA state's Evergreen Freedom Foundation?
Fifteen bucks? There is no way that is what they spend. For your conservative teacher friend, if she wants legal representation, call Ernie Norris at Judicial Watch in San Marino, CA.
BUMP! She deserves a hand for standing up in the face of threats!!!! Laws or no laws, you are expected to comply or else!!! It's commie extortion no matter what they say!
Go, go go! Great handle, too!
The teachers' unions are the death of our(or any) culture. Speak up or forever be silent. What say you?
As a result of the teachers union and the fact that there is no testing of teachers I have absolutely no confidence in teachers or the public school system. MY kid has had teachers I couldn't even understand when they speak.
They did make her quit the union. She pays only those fees which go toward collective bargaining.
Great post Doug. This ongoing union dues theft is one of my pet peeves.
It is my humble opinion that the Democrat Party can be crushed in the upcoming elections if we can break the back of the union money machine. As you know, the only way we can take a huge chunk out of the union money is to enforce the Beck decision, or perhaps even better by passing state referendums as Washington has. Combine this with a large ad campaign by Conservative interest groups to let workers know they can get their money back and I think we could do it.
It seems that Republican time, money and effort should be placed on attacking the union grip on money and the Democrat deathgrip on many of their votes.
BTW, did you see this related thread? Looks like Bush is cracking down on the unions already!
GWB and Labor Executive Orders
Thanks for the link. Yes, I saw it. The unions, including the teachers union, are getting very worried. I have talked to a few more teachers her in S. California who want to do something about getting their dues back. I really think that they may be able to go back several years, although my friend was content with one.
doug from upland:
"Please contact any teacher you know and ask them if the union notifies them once a year as is required by law of their right to get back funds. If they have never notified them, it may be possible for them to get several years of money back. That could be devastating to the union.
Well, let's get to it. FReeping the teachers union."
Visioneer:
"Tell your friend to contact the Association of American Educators a wonderful conservative teacher's professional association endorsed by Dr. James Dobson. Many teachers pay dues to the NEA because they feel they need the liability insurance provided by the NEA state affiliates. Through the AAE, your friend can actually get MORE liability insurance at a much lower annual dues rate."
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See Reply # 67 in the message thread NEA To Vote on Pro-Homosexual Agenda [Free Republic].
"And in acordance with Bush's Executive Order 13201, EVERY NEA member is due a refund for that part of the NEA revenues used for anything but collective bargaining, legal representation, or administration... things like political donations..." (From Reply # 39 in the message thread Home-Schooling Under Siege [Free Republic]).
Many teachers are not aware of this information. Please make them aware - email this information to every teacher (and parent) you know. Or print out the information and hand out copies to teachers at your local PTA/PTO meetings. As more teachers request refunds, the NEA will begin to weaken financially. Please post this information to other message boards and forums.
Home schoolers also need to join forces and speak out against the NEA. What does the NEA say about home schooling? See Reply # 37 in the message thread Home-Schooling Under Siege [Free Republic]
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From Reply # 14 in the message thread TEACHER'S UNIONS EXPOSED: WHAT THEY'RE REALLY ABOUT [Free Republic]:
14 Posted on 04/19/2001 12:31:00 PDT by Teacher317:
Here's what I just posted in the teachers' lounge:
You are supposed to be notified by your union of teachers' right to dues that have been used for non-collective bargaining purposes. You can volunteer to let the union keep the proceeds, if you so desire. (Many are opting to only get refunds from the national dues, and let the local union keep the dues collected.) Otherwise, you can reclaim your just dues refund that has been going toward illegal political purposes such as organizing employees of other employers, lobbying for labor legislation, or participating in social and political events.
For the last several years with the NEA, this has amounted to approximately 30% of all expenditures. Therefore, you are owed this percentage of your dues back. (The [local unions] percentage is much lower, as they have limited most of their activities to collective bargaining, contract administration, and grievance adjustment, which are the ONLY legal uses for union dues).
Any other usage of union dues has been explicitly illegal since 1947, but was challenged until the U.S. Supreme Court decision Communications Workers v. Beck in 1988. On February 17, 2001, President Bush signed Executive Orders to enable enforcement of this decision with regard to public employees (only) (see order below). That Order took effect Wendesday, April 18, 2001. According to the Beck decision before the United States Supreme Court, you can use a form letter such as the one below to request your refund.
A form for request of refund merely has to be put in writing. It only asks for the past year's dues to be refunded. You may be entitled to many more, depending on your length of service. Here's an example that has been used already, that you may feel free to copy:
Wait a sec...I thought Clinton wrote an EO which nullified the Beck decision. ??
No, Bill Clinton simply ordered the Dept of Justice to ignore the Beck decision.
And President George W. Bush wrote an EO that revoked Clinton's EO. Check out EO 13201, signed on Feb. 17, 2001.
Ping
Check out the Washington Times editorial of yesterday (8/13): "NEA violates federal, state tax laws" at:
http://www.washtimes.com/op-ed/20010813-86352066.htm
It refers to the formal complaint made to the IRS by Mark Levin's Landmark Legal Foundation. Seems that the NEA has been telling the IRS that they aren't spending any money on "politics" but Mark documents millions. Down the road, this could have an effect on just how much teachers and others can get back from their unions.
Interested teachers should also visit the web site of the Landmark Legal Foundation at:
http://www.landmarklegal.org/
The organization is actively soliciting information about the NEA. It's an opportunity to get your "horror story" told.
Good going.
Thanks for the links!
This should be music to our ears.
It is!
Better yet would be if the NEA was busted and bankrupt. Ah, to dream!
Thanks for the ping.
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I'm going to talk to some of the local teachers myself. Thanks!
It took about a month and a half but of about $700 in yearly dues, she just received a check for $171. Does that mean that 1/4 of the dues are going to political purposes, leftist political purposes?
WOW. here's an anti-teacher union boss thug bump. There is a website, National Right to work or something with flyers that can be given to teachers.
Let's keep bumping this thread and encouraging people to get in touch with Mark Levin.
What a great issue to expose the NEA! It is time to fight back--gosh, who said that!
Well, let's get to it. FReeping the teachers union.
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Excellent idea. Bump!
I agree. Big bump!
Thanks for the post and the article with the form. I just emailed it to my daughter=in=law who starts her first class tomorrow, teaching third grade.
Good to see you're on this, Jack.
From THE POLICY BEHIND THE CONTROVERSY [Free Republic]:
** "For the first time, there was revolt in the ranks of the NEA's 2.3 million teachers, and the Oklahoma affiliate publicly opposed it. Tennessee delegates asked for a vote on New Business Item 59 that read: "The NEA shall hold its affiliates harmless, for a period of five years, for any loss of dues revenue related to loss of membership beginning with the 2001-2002 membership year if Resolution New B is passed." These delegates explained the rationale behind this item: "A significant number of NEA affiliates experienced membership losses related to (last year's) passage of Resolution B-9. Most of them have not recovered their losses," and we "believe that we will experience an equal or greater loss of membership if Resolution New B is passed." **
The NEA can be weakened financially if our efforts are directed at their state and local affiliates - getting this information out to as many teachers and parents as possible can make a difference. We also need to inform college students who are majoring in education about the NEA's agendas and encourage them to consider joining the Association of American Educators (see Reply # 18 and Reply # 21 in the message thread Inept Teacher Training [Free Republic] as an example).
Perhaps we should consider working together to come up with a FAQ or information sheet that would inform teachers, parents, and education majors about the NEA's agendas, and post it in this forum periodically. Any suggestions on the content and formatting?
Also see: "The Impact of Unionism on the Quality of Public Education" by David Denholm:
** "One of the least examined and understood aspects of the decline in the quality of public education in America is unionism...
...Ultimately, teacher union power depends on perception and deception. The unions maintain their political power in three different ways. First, teacher unions gain political power through the vast financial resources they control as a result of their monopoly status. These resources are used in a variety of ways to influence political outcomes. The unions sponsor political action committees with which they provide direct support to candidates and causes. They also maintain an army of highly trained, well paid political operatives which they can put into the field on short notice to influence elections.
Second, even though teachers are less than two percent of the population and surveys have shown that a very large minority of teachers do not share the union's left leaning political views, those teachers who are union zealots are highly motivated and well educated. As volunteers, even a small cadre of such activists can have a substantial influence on the outcome of a political campaign.
The third, and perhaps largest source of union political influence, is a question of perception. When the teacher unions endorse candidates, they proclaim them as the "education" candidates. The typical voter, not realizing the negative impact of unionism on education, or that these so-called "education" candidates are, in reality, those who are committed to maintaining the union's stranglehold, frequently vote for these candidates thinking that they are voting for better public schools.
All of the information that is becoming available about the teacher unions will undoubtedly make it much more difficult for them to continue with this charade.
There is already some evidence that teacher union power is eroding because of this better public understanding of their role in the decline in the quality of public education..." **
Please continue to pass the information in this thread and in Reply # 14 of the message thread (Gay) School Days [Free Republic] along to teachers, parents, and education majors.
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"Thanks for the post and the article with the form. I just emailed it to my daughter=in=law who starts her first class tomorrow, teaching third grade."
You're welcome! And let me add my thanks to doug from upland and Teacher317 for their posts on this subject.
Thanks for emailing the form in reply # 28 above to your daughter-in-law. Please encourage her to share it with other teachers. We need to get that form into every public school in America (parents can take copies to PTA/PTO meetings). And we need to support those teachers who take a stand against the NEA and their state education associations.
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49 Posted on 11/10/2001 14:37:37 PST by EdReform
50 Posted on 11/10/2001 16:25:41 PST by Concentrate
Choosing "no" also gives you immediate fame among the union reps as an enemy. Believe me, the blackballing thing is true.
I appreciate your post and information about getting a refund. If anyone has info on how this works in California that would be good.
Rest assured, all public school teachers are not leftist nuts. Only most.
51 Posted on 11/10/2001 16:40:25 PST by tinymontgomery
52 Posted on 11/10/2001 16:46:57 PST by Gimlet
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I've belonged to them for years; they are a fine organization.
53 Posted on 11/10/2001 17:26:59 PST by backhoe
54 Posted on 11/10/2001 17:28:01 PST by doug from upland
55 Posted on 11/11/2001 11:08:19 PST by EdReform
I've had it with these damn teacher union thugs. This kind of garbage has got to stop. Grrrr...
Teacher317, summer, LarryLied - do you have any suggestions for tinymontgomery? Any other California teachers on FR with suggestions?
56 Posted on 11/11/2001 11:25:30 PST by EdReform
57 Posted on 11/11/2001 11:37:17 PST by summer
58 Posted on 11/11/2001 11:37:43 PST by summer
59 Posted on 11/11/2001 11:38:57 PST by summer
60 Posted on 11/11/2001 13:36:29 PST by LarryLied
61 Posted on 11/11/2001 17:35:26 PST by summer
62 Posted on 11/11/2001 17:38:14 PST by monkeyshine
Alot of teachers out there are conservative but many more hang lib because they see the lack of supplies and funding problems on a daily basis. They really feel that more taxes would be good for education; because the $$$ pot would get bigger. Boy, I've had some teachers quit even talking to me once I unload about taxes. You get blackballed at school with your fellow workers. So I try to stay away from those issues and they never jump me with union issues either.
I've been to birch meetings with nea members and know many that are registered repubs. Second amendment issues are also a big controversy with nea members.
NEA Today, (the union rag) came in the mail last week. Picture on front of N.Y. teachers and they went on about sept 11; then they tied it to N.Y. teachers pushing for a living wage. See how it goes, typical union. Hey at least they didn't have 2 lesbo teachers on the cover. In the letters section in front, they had one teacher disagree with a previous article about how all teachers are dyed-in-wool-libs. The teacher said that the union would be surprised how many conservative dues paying members there are. I think that many left wing issues that the NEA carrys the banner for may be questioned in the future.
Anyway, not all teachers do it for the 40-50 gran they earn; they teach because they luv doing it. Actually, even with all the social & behavioral problems, I have the dream job; teaching is alot of fun.
Just remember, not all teachers are dems; and one thing for sure; after waco none of my family will ever vote for dems.
63 Posted on 11/11/2001 19:28:30 PST by Eska
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