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As of this morning, Saturday Feb 17, 2001,
HAARP began doing testing
with greatly increased FULL power. The transmitter
can now be heard all
day long on 3.39 MHz. Very early this morning
about 3 AM, HAARP could be
heard at it's "old" normal signal strength.
About 4 AM the signal
changed in both its pulse timing and inter-pulse
spacing. At 4:30 AM the
signal strength suddenly increased
tremendously.
Unlike previous mornings, there was no regular
F-layer daytime fade out
when the sun rose here in California about
6:45 AM. I continued to
monitor during the daylight. I have never
heard the HAARP signal during
the daytime before. The sun now rises in Gakona
Alaska about 10 AM PST.
The received signal again increased from about
S5 to S9 at 10:05 AM.
With sunlight at both the transmitter and
receiver there is no F-layer
skip to bend the powerful signal around the
planet. This means this is
an extremely powerful direct groundwave signal.
And I'm only receiving
the leakage off the side lobes of the antenna
array.
The full HAARP design power is supposed to
be about 350 Megawatts. But
that is only the published spec, not necessarily
what is done in
practice (as in those CB'rs running illegal
1KWatt linear amplifiers).
There is a planned Air Force "Star Wars" test
with two vehicles, one
from California and the other in the south
Pacific, similar to last
summer's failed test. The tentative published
launch is set for late
March or April. I will monitor HAARP to confirm
it is running full power
during the launch, as it was last summer.
Last summer's "failure" is exactly what a
HAARP device is supposed to
do; destroy the electronic controls of a vehicle
so the second stage
cannot separate from the booster. A very cheap,
simple way to knock down
missiles launched from anywhere on the planet.
It also can destroy
military satellites in low orbit. Maybe that's
why the Russians and
Chinese have been complaining in the last
several weeks about Bush's
intention to "build" the star wars system.
Maybe they've been losing
some of their "secret hardware." But of course,
they won't say that in
public.
Its now 11 AM PST, on Saturday the 17th, and
the signal is blasting in
with the powerful pre-pulse tone around S+20
and the main signal about
S9. The signal varies 3 to 6 db over a series
of several pulses. Since
this is not due to F-layer skip fading, I
must assume they are slewing
the beam of the antenna in various directions,
and thus changing the
amount of the side lobes in this direction.
This must be a test of a
simulated space warfare game with multiple
targets. Rapid slewing of the
antenna in just a matter of a minute or two
is not useful for submarine
communication, nor for their stated purpose
of doing "ionospheric
research."
To show the HAARP signal is abnormally large,
at this time, the 80 meter
band is silent and WWV at 5 MHz cannot be
heard, as would be expected
during the daytime. WWV at 10 MHz is barely
heard but does not even
register on the S meter. Tuning back to 3.39
MHz, the S meter jumps off
the top of the scale. Even the extremely powerful
Russian "woodpecker"
transmitters during the cold-war never did
that, and they were aimed
along the ground not out into space. I have
no way to estimate how many
Gigawatts that represents.
It may be only coincidence but just several
days ago, Russia announced
it will be conducting a massive space war
game, including the launch of
numerous missiles, from both ground sites
and submarines. Of course this
is only a coincidence. You Think. Check out
the details in Bill Gertz's
article Russian forces conduct massive war-games
exercise . And then
don't forget you read it first in BroJon
Gazette.
For more information about HAARP, how the
transmitter works and to hear
what the transmitter sounds like, go back
to the front page article
about the HAARP facility and follow the links
there.
************
I should point out in 1985 a number of Air
Force ER-135 electronic
warfare planes were shot down in the Sea of
Japan. They were apparently
making a covert entry into soviet airspace
to test the latest Russian
technology. What the Air Force did not know
then was the Soviets had
developed a stealth fighter so the 135's never
saw the Russians coming
and all 5 of the US e-warfare planes were
shot down. To cover this
"covert" event, the US shot down a 747, a
plane similar to the 135's (or
modified Boeing 707's whose parts are very
similar to a 747) so if plane
parts are found in the Sea of Japan they are
claimed to be the 747. This
is the supposed "Russian" shoot down of Korean
Airlines Flight 800, on
Sept 15, 1985. I remember the event well,
since it is my son's b-day.
The proof of a covert event with stealth Russian
fighters shooting down
5 Air Force ER-135's is documented in R.W.
Johnson's book, SHOOTDOWN,
published in 1986. The most convincing evidence
is the strange fact that
27 US active duty electronic warfare officers
somehow end up on the
passenger list among the dead on the civilian
Flight 800 going to Korea.
I only point this out to show how high tech
secret warfare between
Russia and the US may result in deaths and
the destruction of hardware,
and yet is never reported to the public.
The US did not announce and demonstrate deployment
of its own stealth
fighters until the Gulf War in '90-91, five
years later. In 1991, three
events occurred, (1) the US demonstrates stealth
fighter-bombers which
can travel anywhere in the world without
detection, (2) the announcement
of the construction of HAARP which would
neutralize all soviet missiles
coming over the pole, and (3) the collapse
of the Soviet Union. To see
these as unrelated events is to miss the point
of history.
At the present time, both the Russian's and
Chinese have demonstrated
their ability and inclination to engage in
warfare, especially space
warfare. It would thus seem clear the
"coincidence" of the massive
Russian war games and the sudden increase
in the output of HAARP in a
warfare mode, would indicate that on this
Presidents Day Weekend 2001,
warfare is actually occurring, not just games.
Just as in 1985, when
planes were destroyed and US airmen died,
the story was completely
covered up, but it nonetheless had great
implications on the relations
between the governments of the world.
There are, of course, no airmen on the Russian
missiles, nor the Chinese
and Russian satellites in orbit. This is the
new hi-tech robotic remote
control warfare of outer space. But, the "war
games" are real,
nonetheless. The massive increase in the output
of HAARP, under the
control of the Air Force's Space Vehicles
Command which operates HAARP
and has the mission of engaging in space warfare,
would indicate a lot
of expensive space hardware is now biting
the dust. The Russians will
claim their exercise was a "success." The
Chinese who have just lost
their "eyes in orbit" will say nothing. And
the US will claim, as usual,
"What, who me? HAARP hasn't been in operation
since October '99." But
you can listen for yourself on any shortwave
receiver by tuning to 3.390
MHz. Good Listening.
Marshall Smith
WHAT IS HAARP? HOW IT LOOKS AND SOUNDS!
http://www.geocities.com/brojongazette/index.html
Welcome to the HAARP Home Page
HIGH FREQUENCYACTIVE AURORAL RESEARCH PROGRAM
http://w3.nrl.navy.mil/haarp.html
The Latest HAARP Information
http://www.earthpulse.com/haarp/index.html
Air disaster flag.
You know, I heard that buzzing sound this morning when I woke up early and couldn't figure out what woke me up. I went into my office and in my closet I have a TFH. I put it on and the buzzing stopped.
Now my back teeth hurt.
This `experiment`* has been also using 20MHZ, the National Bureau Of Standards & Time channel, for a VERY long time, off & on..........
This morning at 4am I dreamt that I found a puddle of blood next to my father's vacant chair because he had a brain anuerism.
In my opinion, the U.S. is unable to get anymore good technology from the aliens because they stiffed us on the tech for abduction agreement, and HAARP is designed to screw up their EM propulsion units on their saucers.
Unfortunately, this is NOT foil hat stuff.
Originally, the `expertiment` was to suppposedly control battlefield WEATHER*
YOUR, tax monies, at WORK*
The most convincing evidence is the strange fact that 27 US active duty electronic warfare officers somehow end up on the passenger list among the dead on the civilian Flight 800 going to Korea.
If that's the most convincing evidence, I'd hate to see the bad stuff. The Russians might have a stealth fighter now, but I doubt it. I'd bet a case of beer they didn't have one in 1986.
Dude, run quick and pull the shades before the "Matrix" gets you.
You are just the kind of person that will help be the cause of "short wave radio control" legislation (/sarcasm>.
Thanks for the heads up. This is similar in magnitude to the early development of radar just prior to WWII.
Tin foil hatheads...bug off!
bttt
You make this sound like a bad thing. Why?
God I love this place ...... where tin foil and reality really DO converge.
bttt
ping myself
Note, Art Bell is back on the air and now this story of HAARP.
Coincidence? hmmmmmmmm? I think not!
:-)
Wasn't it KOREAN FLIGHT 801? Anyway, I think this HAARP transmitter thing may have caused me to have a bad headache on Sunday morning. Fourteen beers and the increased power to the transmitter was not a good combination.
This is the supposed "Russian" shoot down of Korean Airlines Flight 800, on Sept 15, 1985. I remember the event well, since it is my son's b-day.
It was KAL Flight 007, not 800.
fyi
You tin foil hat comedians are goofier than real life. Martin Marietta was working on this technology to control weather back in the late '60's and '70's.
What's wrong, didn't Dan Rather or Peter Jennings fill you in on this?
Stay Awake for God's sake.
A google search for HAARP more about HAARP
I know a couple of HAM operators and this new signal caused a big stir in their world this weekend. Supposedly HARP has denied sending it. There's an effort going on world wide to document the signal strength 24/7 and pinpoint the origin. Interesting to see what they come up with.
I should point out in 1985 a number of Air Force ER-135 electronic warfare planes were shot down in the Sea of Japan. They were apparently making a covert entry into soviet airspace to test the latest Russian technology. What the Air Force did not know then was the Soviets had developed a stealth fighter so the 135's never saw the Russians coming and all 5 of the US e-warfare planes were shot down. To cover this "covert" event, the US shot down a 747, a plane similar to the 135's (or modified Boeing 707's whose parts are very similar to a 747) so if plane parts are found in the Sea of Japan they are claimed to be the 747. This is the supposed "Russian" shoot down of Korean Airlines Flight 800, on Sept 15, 1985. I remember the event well, since it is my son's b-day.
Looney detector is fully pegged.
(whispering): i see little green aliens with tinfoil hats!
Actually, it goes back to Tesler, which was way before Martin Marietta played around with it.
So the US shot down KAL-007? I don't think so considering the Russians bragged about it.
"Originally, the `expertiment` was to suppposedly control battlefield WEATHER*"
Wrong ...
You may want to do some research here and here. BTW: The 'tango' model RC-135 lost in '85 was mechanical failure, but even NSA admits 40 PARPRO acft losses.
That's Tesla, but why the tin foil hat sarcasm?
Martin- Marietta, was doing this research under funding from the U.S. Military, and that's okay, but don't blow this stuff off so quickly.
I'm not advocating being a looney tune, but keep an open mind, there is alot going on that we are truly unaware of.
The flight number didn't sound right to me, either, but I just pulled the keywords from the article. Thanks for the correc.
"I know a couple of HAM operators and this new signal caused a big stir in their world this weekend"
A few years ago HAARP did a public test in conjunction with the Hams to see where HAARP could actually be heard -
- turns out it wasn't all that impressive ...
If you search HAARP's site the results of this test can be found.
If _jim shows up on a thread, you know his HANDLERS want discussion on this issue to be disrupted. _Jim thanks for showing up, when you formally deny something/some thread then we know better that we are somewhere closer to the truth. Now go back and crawl in your hole, youve earned your shekels for today.....
"This `experiment`* has been also using 20MHZ,
Why don't you add to this as well:
60 KHz, 2.5, 5, 10, 15 MHz.
And then there is CHU Canada at 7.333 MHz ...
And what about LORAN 'A' (1.7 - 2.0 MHz now defunct) and LORAN C (100 KHz still oprational) ...
Heavens no, Moscow splashed it, and it had nothing to do with HAARP - it was merely that Moscow could not face the ridicule if the liner crossed into Soviet airspace (twice), refused to respond to signals, and was about to escape unmolested. Russians can handle just about anything except ridicule.
Any reference to RCs, KAL, or any airline disaster is the product of an over-active imagination. But there is a tiny, tiny element of truth there, unfortunately buried in unresearched cr*p.
But then perhaps that is the idea.
Nikolai TESLA.
What -
- you've nothing to add to the discussion but that?
Some ASSET you are ...
There is far more RF transmitted in the continential US than HAARP could EVER hope to do ...
But you won't hear that from the fear mongers like the authors of this piece.
They dispense more 'isolated facts in a vacuum' for which but a very few have the ability to review let alone analyze -
Kinda like Y2K all over again ...
Correct, I slurred my speech when I typed that.
Personally, I'm gonna keep my judgement on all this on hold, at least until I can pick up one of the new Kenner's HAARP Playstations' due to hit Walmarts' everywhere in time for the '01 Christmas season.
Yes, I slurred my speech as I typed his name.
I never did say anything about a tin foil hat. I did refer to a TFH, which is a Tesla For Haarp fan club tee shirt.
Kevin, come on, lighten up, have fun in the old Freeper way. I've actually seen UFO's so I know I am not nuts!
It was KAL Flight 007, not 800.
Indeed it was, and it was an ADMITTED Soviet shoot-down for violation of their air-space because the plane was slightly off-course a whole 20 miles. Remember all the hero-worship their television and press gave the brave Mig pilot who shot down an unarmed passenger jet just as it was leaving Soviet airspace? America lost an incredibly important congressman, Lawrence McDonald R-Ga, who was flying to Japan. Spook scuttlebutt about this shoot-down has unblinkingly speculated in the CIA whether the Soviets didn't mess with the guidance beacons, causing the deviation, all so they could assassinate Larry McDonald. After all, its not every day the Soviets shot down a major airliner.
I know a couple of HAM operators and this new signal caused a big stir in their world this weekend. Supposedly HARP has denied sending it. There's an effort going on world wide to document the signal strength 24/7 and pinpoint the origin. Interesting to see what they come up with.
BUMP. This will prove interesting to see if it is of, US, Russian or Chinese origin. The sheer magnitude of the power supply to generate this signal is certainly non-trivial and should be a clear sign that someone is VERY serious about something, most likely military. Tin Foil Hats and Reality Converging, indeed.
I still don't understand why this is being treated by some, as something bad. It's just another weapons system!
NIKOLA Tesla.
You can trust that all info about HAARP has been released to
the public.
Only a fool thinks that the fed covers anything up.
(sarcasm\off)
The article certainly doesn't look 100% credible, but there is probably
much more to the HAARP
project than meets the eye.
Thanks for posting this...
(Don't sweat the flames!)
:-)
". I did refer to a TFH"
I'm really sorry, see how defensive I've gotten from the last eight years.
I've seen a ton of your posts and the TFH actually didn't sound like you.
Once again sorry for being so anal!!
I think you're right ... I used to work with a Nikolai and I'm always using that form of the name.
Some of the latest speculation says possibly a Norwegian defense data transmission.
Forgive, I'm not up on this radio transmission stuff. But as with the internet, I enjoy seeing the investigative process employed by the public.
Tin Foil Hats and Reality Converging, indeed.
One of the strangest convergences of tin foil and reality is the book, "The Secret Man : An American Warrior's Uncensored Story," by Frank Dux. (Amazon link to Dux's book)
Dux, a real person, is a famous American martial. In this book, he alleges that he is also a big time government operative and narrates all sorts of supposedly real ops he's worked on. At some point in this book, the author flat out states that everyone involved in government work knows that HAARP experiments (and a similar thing in Australia) caused the ozone holes.
Mark W.
bump
I never endorsed the article, so any flames here can't even be serously directed at me.
Since this isn't written in decent English, I assume it's conspiracy nonsense. Jargon is one thing, lack of nouns is another thing - garbage sentences.
Out of curiosity, I went to the US Patent Office and look up the patents issued to Eastlund. Here's the most interesting parts of what I found:
Method for producing a shell of relativistic particles at an altitude above the earths surface
Kevin, Kevin....I was just trying to be funny this am. I was having one of those "everthing is going wrong" kinda days. I had gotten two harassment phone calls today and my paranoid imagination was heightened when I read this post.
I had actually read it last night so, for this second posting, I figured to attempt some humor.
I hope we are ahead of our enemies in this field.
If you recall, back in the mid-80s the space shuttle's computers once went down and the backup system had to be deployed. A friend of mine was involved in performing the calculations on the accident, which proved that the Russians had hit the shuttle with an electromagnetic weapon to destroy the electronics. The secondary computer system survived because it was turned off. Presumably the Russians did this to demonstrate to the U.S. that they had developed this capability.
According to Lt. Col. Tom Bearden, who specializes in this field, this was also about the time that the Russians had achieved functional electronic weapons. He says that ever since then, they have been able to shoot down airplanes in America with them, and have done so. The weapons can create action at a distance, and depending on the polarity, the jet turbines can be cooled and cause the thrust/weight ratio of a jet to be lowered. Unfortunately, the Russians are probably much more advanced in this field than we are.
bump!
Hi Plummz - I am located on the East coast of Florida (Daytona Beach ) and I hear nothing on my shortwave receiver at 1520 Hrs EST 2020 Hrs UT Perhaps the signal will improve as daylight hours depart around 1845 EST today... Will check again then. K2afe
Any reference to RCs, KAL, or any airline disaster is the product of an over-active imagination
Then Cobra Ball WASN'T in a similar flight path prior to KAL?
Okay...you really want to get into conspiracy theories...what about the sub/ship collision and the two helicopters colliding within days of each other, both in Hawaii. To add to that, figure in the recent incident of the two small planes colliding in mid-air off the coast of CA...the story completely disappeared off of the news (Fox), literally. I saw the original report which was "breaking news" earlier in the evening, then one more report showing that they had found one body...then "poof"...no more story, and I watched until midnight for details. Even went to several news websites the next day and there was nothing about the story. Could someone be playing around with systems that jam sonar/radar signals?
Granted, in the sub/ship collision a periscope was used to verify that there were no ships in the area, but that capacity is limited to 4-5 miles according to sources I have read, sonar/radar would have shown a wider area. If you figure in the fact that it took the sub longer than the normal to surface (according to reports), the accident occurred because the ship was not detected on the sonar/radar (jammed signals?), was too far away to be detected by periscope when it was utilized and was traveling towards the sub at a high rate of speed.
For the record...I am not a tin foil hatter. Hubby brought this possibility up after the helicopter crash (he said it was strange that both incidents happened in Hawaii so close together) and then the story of the two small planes colliding came out and disappeared, which intrigued me further. Any thoughts?
Fascinating. Thank you Ol' Dan Tucker for post 52.
Sincerely,
I am SO BOOKMARKING THIS!!!!!!!!!!!!
Gennady?! Is that you again, still trying to blame the 'Ball?! K chertu beri!
What the hell is this all about? An early morning buzzing sound? Alarm clock? Or somebody has a buzz on early in the morning? I've had that happen a few times, but it was left over from the night before. I also had cotton-mouth, a raging headache and a queazy stomach. No paranoid features with this phenomenon, though. Just felt like shit.
To show the HAARP signal is abnormally large, Gosh, I hope this HAARP business doesn't spread. What's HAARP mean, anyway? Hard Alcohol Always Rips Partakers? Hangover Arrives After Ripping-good Party?
(OMGoodness! There's one on my desk!)
Big Time thank-you-for-the-facts Bump!
Stay calm. Do you have any beef jerky? They like beef jerky. If not, just give it some Post-it notes. They also like Post-its.
Cool. I wonder if sufficiently compact versions could be made for battlefield use at lower altitudes. Never mind trying to knock missiles off course, this could be used to swat combat aircraft out of the sky. Think of it as plasma flak. Rather than trying to hit the plane or helicopter, one would only have to lead the craft and put a blast of high-temp plasma nearby. The resulting turbulence would rip the wings off of it. One might even be able to use it against ground targets. A burst of hot plasma would create quite a shockwave.
Tin foil hat brigade out in force! Firstly there is no aircraft designated "ER-135".
The aircraft you are referring to is the RC-135.
Considering that the Russian pilot, Gennadi Osipovich who flew the Sukhoi Su-15, was interviewed admitting that he shot the KAL Boeing 747 down with Anab air-to-air missiles I rather think that your theory is lame. The USAF's first use of F-117As was during Panama 1989 and not during the Gulf War.
Here is a list of RC-135 variants and as you can see no RC-135 was lost during 1983. (the year of KAL007 shootdown)
55-3121 RC-135T written off 25-02-1985,
59-1491 RC-135S written off 13-01-1969,
61-2662 RC-135S still active inventory,
61-2663 RC-135S still active inventory,
61-2664 RC-135S written off 15-03-1981,
62-4125 RC-135W still active inventory,
62-4128 RC-135W still active inventory,
62-4129 TC-135W still active inventory,
62-4130 RC-135W still active inventory,
62-4131 RC-135W still active inventory,
62-4132 RC-135W still active inventory,
62-4133 TC-135S still active inventory,
62-4134 RC-135W still active inventory,
62-4135 RC-135W still active inventory,
62-4137 RC-135E written off 05-06-1969,
62-4138 RC-135W still active inventory,
62-4139 RC-135W still active inventory,
63-9792 RC-135V still active inventory,
64-14841 RC-135V still active inventory,
64-14842 RC-135V still active inventory,
64-14843 RC-135V still active inventory,
64-14844 RC-135V still active inventory,
64-14845 RC-135V still active inventory,
64-14846 RC-135V still active inventory,
64-14847 RC-135U still active inventory,
64-14848 RC-135V still active inventory,
64-14849 RC-135U still active inventory,
TJ
How much power does it take to run this critter? Is that what all the blackouts in Kaliforina are about? WE WANT TO KNOW something, FOR A CHANGE. Gurgle.
FYI, neither the theory nor references are mine-- I suggest you track down the author and direct your comments to him/her.
Hope this helps.
>The weapons can create action at a distance, and depending on the polarity, the jet turbines can be cooled and cause the thrust/weight ratio of a jet to be lowered. Unfortunately, the Russians are probably much more advanced in this field than we are.
I find this hard to believe. If scalar waves are real, then it seems to me that once any competent physicist or engineer has demonstrated for himself (or, I suppose, herself) that they are real, then exploiting them would be pretty straightforward. Based on the kind of math that physicists and engineers do now for things like magnetic containment and other applications, scalar work doesn't seem so far out that a skilled professional couldn't bring himself up to speed quickly. (And, as I understand it, the "action at a distance" stuff is just calculating the interception point of two scalar waves. Well, with all the computer work (and practical, active noise mufflers) that's been done on wave cancellation in recent years, I'd guess that the bulk of the work could be adapted quickly.)
Mark W.
If these peoplt don't know the difference between an "EC-135," an "RC-135," and an "ER-135," I generally take what they write with a grain of salt...
You're in luck. This means that he's stunned. (Either by HAARP or by FreeRepublic. It doesn't matter which.) If you place a small mirror in front of him so that he sees his reflection, you'll be safe. The sight of a genuine, honest-to-goodness alien will further stun him and maintain the catatonic state. (This can work for cats too.)
"...To add to that, figure in the recent incident of the two small planes colliding in mid-air off the coast of CA...the story completely disappeared off of the news (Fox), literally. I saw the original report which was "breaking news" earlier in the evening, then one more report showing that they had found one body...then "poof"...no more story, and I watched until midnight for details. Even went to several news websites the next day and there was nothing about the story. Could someone be playing around with systems that jam sonar/radar signals?"
I don't know about these other stories, but the two Cessna's that collided over the Long Beach practice area can most likely be attributed to "failure to see and be seen." Both Cessnas (a 150 and a 172) were owned by the Long Beach Flying Club and each was being flown by a CFI and a student pilot. The collision occurred on a relatively clear day following several days of stormy weather --the perfect set-up for a mid-air. They were flying VFR and probably failed to clear the area prior to initiating practice manuevers. The 150 doesn't carry any type of radar equipment that could be jammed in such a way to cause a mid-air during VFR flight. Ditto for the 172. While the timing might be suspicious, the circumstances of this particular mid-air is pretty mundane. In short, they were flying in a known practice area in a very busy airspace. dan
"everyone involved in government work knows that HAARP experiments (and a similar thing in Australia) caused the ozone holes.
Mark W."
My God - if *anything*, HAARP creats ozone at altitude rather than causing holes!
Why?
WHAT IS OZONE - it's 0 3.
What is regular atmospheric Oxygen - 0 2.
How is Ozone formed out of atmosphereic Oxygen - from an electrostatic discharge.
How is high-altitude Ozone formed - incident sunlight, a form of electromagnetic energy.
What is HAARP - a source of electromagnetic energy ...
My God ...
'...Shell 20, once formed, provides an anti-missile, relativistic electron barrier that will detonate or serverly damage the electronic system of any missile that passes therethrough.
What kind of tripe (that I doubt even YOU understand) are you passing off to the unknowing un-discerning public now?
An "relativistic electron barrier that will detonate or severly damage..."
Would that by any chance be called Lightning, Master Propagandist Dan?
WE WANT TO KNOW something, FOR A CHANGE
And you shall know. Read this.
While HAARP is at full research power the lights in Fairbanks have neither flickered nor dimmed. If anything the grid is running better than ever. Eventually the means to draw power directly from the aurora borealis will be realized.
Read the patent and see for yourself. "Relativistic" refers to electrons accelerated to between 2-5 MeV, at which energy they begin to experience relativistic mass increase effects. For once, this is a "tinfoil" thread that has the backing of real proof, such as U.S. patents issued to a real company for real devices and methods. Please check into these facts before slinging mud at other posters. While I don't know how to link to the patent, go to www.delphion.com or www.uspto.gov, and search for inventors under Bernard Eastlund.
Absent conclusive evidence, never blame on HAARP that which can be adequately explained by stupidity.
Patents stopped being worth a damn when the gubmint stopped requiring a working model of the item being patented.
Speaking of frequencies and lightning, you can catch Brooklyn's John P. Lightning on 7.415 MHz Sundays at 8:00 PM EST.
nice find
Would that by any chance be called Lightning, Master Propagandist Dan?
You mean like the type of lightning that you once (erroneously) claimed regularly knocks out the electrical systems of airliners, _Jim? No, this is man-made. I'd be surprised to see you conduct any real research beyond spouting the latest government propaganda. Maybe John Danforth has the answers you're looking for. dan
Poohbah: "Absent conclusive evidence, never blame on HAARP that which can be adequately explained by stupidity."
Now, there you go again with that Occam's Razor stuff, just when we were starting to have FUN.
But here's MY proposed weapon system:
Nitrogen makes up approximately 65 percent of atmosphere, right? And oxygen, approximately 35 percent, right? And nitrous oxide is laughing gas, right? So....
All any enemy would need is a ring of simultaneously exploding chemical "bombs" around any major populated valley (like, oh, LA or Mexico City or Denver, but please, not Seattle) which bombs would cause a chemical reaction such as to combine the atmospheric oxygen and the atmospheric nitrogen in this "enclosed" area; then the entire area population would laugh itself to death.
Sorry. Number 84 was OT. Sorry. I should have labeled it such.
"on the "true" purposes of HAARP"
It's a scientific research facility only.
The energy of the HAARP photons is:
E=hv E=6.6*10-34*J*sec*3.3*106Hz*6.2*1018eV/J= 1.4*10-10eV
In other words there are no particles accelerated to high energy at all. No relativistic killer beams. This signal is a probe used to determine composition and dynamics of the different ionospheric belts. It is strictly a research tool. The maximum power emitted by the transmitters can only effect the temperature of the d and e layers during the day. Any temperature (and volume) change would be relatively small since the distance to and the volume of the layers is large.
There is no weapon capability hear at all, unless of course enemy troops are perched on the antennas when the switch is thrown. Although it may be used to probe deep sea comms, it is too vulnerable, slow and costly to ever be used for that purpose alone.
ooops...1.4*10-8eV
That's right -- KAL007.
And my friend Larry McDonald died that night with 268 others.
The information I had was that there were some 40 South Korean intelligence agents aboard. They had just completed CIA training here.
If you were Andropov and could -- in one fell swoop -- take out one of your most outspoken western critic AND, as a bonus, kill 40 agents of the enemy of your client, North Korea, would you take the shot?
You bet your ass you would.
And the 220 other men, women and children They just happened to be at the wrong place at the wrong time.
"You mean like the type of lightning that you once (erroneously) claimed regularly knocks out the electrical systems of airliners, _Jim?"
Look Luddite, you're making a claim here that is false, and in fact, I have claimed just the opposite.
In fact, NASA under took an activity using a small number of aircraft for flight into and through T-storms for just the purpose of measuring the effect of lightning on airframe AND avioncis gear ... and guess what? All the A/C in that program survived ...
I've seen first hand several times what a direct lightning strike - the 'finger of God' - can do to the solid bronze tip of a commercial 2-way antenna, the vaporization of coax inner-conductors and the subsequent (and varied) damage to gear down in the 'equipment hut' -
- have you?
"Read the patent and see for yourself. "Relativistic" refers to electrons accelerated to between 2-5 MeV, at which energy they begin to experience relativistic mass increase effects."
No connection whatsoever with HAARP, this topic on an as-yet unproven 'weapon' was brought in by another poster hoping to obfuscate and, somehow, by implication, link HAARP to sinister purposes and uses FAR beyond it's intended use and FAR beyond what it is actually capable of.
During active ionospheric research, the signal generated by the transmitter system is delivered to the antenna array, transmitted in an upward direction, and is partially absorbed, at an altitude between 100 to 350 km (depending on operating frequency), in a small volume a few hundred meters thick and a few tens of kilometers in diameter over the site.The intensity of the HF signal in the ionosphere is less than 3 microwatts per cm2, tens of thousands of times less than the Sun's natural electromagnetic radiation reaching the earth and hundreds of times less than even the normal random variations in intensity of the Sun's natural ultraviolet (UV) energy which creates the ionosphere.
The small effects that are produced, however, can be observed with the sensitive scientific instruments installed at the HAARP facility and these observations can provide new information about the dynamics of plasmas and new insight into the processes of solar-terrestrial interactions.
Next ...
"This `experiment`* has been also using 20MHZ, the National Bureau Of Standards & Time channel, for a VERY long time, off & on..........
And NO-ONE makes mention of the *Russian Woodpecker that operated for years in the HF spectrum and 'garbaged up' the Amatuer bands ...
* Russian Woodpecker = the 'OTH' (Over the Horizon) RADAR operated by the Soviets all througfh the later part of the cold war.
THIS is the cause of all the ruckus you're raising?
I just thought the accused should be present during this 'trial' ...
"Brooklyn's John P. Lightning on 7.415 MHz Sundays at 8:00 PM EST."
I'll have to tune up the old Yaesu and give a listen ...
"The sheer magnitude of the power supply to generate this signal is certainly non-trivial"
Would you believe six large diesel generators?
From:
http://w3.nrl.navy.mil/projects/haarp/power.html
Prime Power Generation
HAARP Power Requirements
The HAARP facility will utilize two primary power sources. For general office functions such as lighting, heating, computer systems and general maintenance, power is obtained from the local power utility.The amount of power that can be obtained from commercial sources is severely limited, however, and during research periods, the HAARP facility will generate additional power on-site for operation of the High Frequency transmitter and for the major scientific and diagnostic instruments.
The HAARP Power Building
Prior to the beginning of the HAARP program, the Gakona site was planned by the Air Force, to be an Over The Horizon Backscatter (OTH-B) radar installation. Under that program, a large, 21,000 square foot building (shown in the photo to the left) was constructed to house the prime power producing equipment for the facility.
The main OTH-B power source was to be a large coal-fired steam generator with six large diesel generators serving as a backup power source. At the termination of the OTH-B program, the steam generation equipment was completely removed from the site; the diesel generators were provided to the HAARP program for use in generating the power required to operate the HF transmitter system that will be used to conduct active ionospheric research at the facility.
When the facility is completed and all six of the diesel generators are installed in the power plant building, there will be sufficient generation capacity on-site to produce all of the prime power needed to operate the HF transmitter system as well as the Incoherent Scatter Radar (ISR).
The HAARP Diesel Generators
The photograph to the left shows one of the diesel generators as it is currently installed in the power plant building at the Gakona site. The engine is rated at 3,600 HP and the generator can produce 2,500 kW of electrical power. This single generator will be sufficient to operate the current 48 element HF antenna array at its rated Radio Frequency (RF) power level of 960 kW.
As the facility continues to be developed, additional diesel generators will be installed in the building until all six are in place. The total number of generators that will be required to operate the completed facility is determined by the efficiency of the transmitters and on the power requirements of their cooling and support subsystems.
We anticipate that four of the diesel generators, producing approximately 10 MW of prime power, will allow operation of the final, completed facility at its maximum rated RF power level of 3.6 MW.
>My God - if *anything*, HAARP creats ozone at altitude rather than causing holes!
Well, I certainly see your point -- and please don't hold me responsible for the quote I was referencing, I was just calling it to people's attention -- but I think you're overlooking something, too.
The "hole" in the ozone is about a specific characteristic of a specific structure. The ozone "layer" is a dynamic, structure composed of ozone high in the atmosphere. HAARP and similar devices may certainly generate the same material the structure in question is made of, but _by upsetting the dynamic equalibrium by which the structure maintains itself_, the structure itself may be changed/modified/destroyed.
I'm not saying I believe it, I'm just saying it's not as absurd as your post would present it. [shrugs]
Mark W.
Some more links --
HAARP home page -- http://server5550.itd.nrl.navy.mil/projects/haarp/
http://www.haarp.alaska.edu/haarp/
http://www-star.stanford.edu/~vlf/HAARP/
http://www.fas.org/irp/program/collect/haarp.htm
More info (not favorable) -- http://www.earthpulse.com/haarp/
http://skywatch.iwarp.com/texas/
http://www.elfrad.org/2000/haarp.htm
http://www.padrak.com/ine/HAARP97.html
http://www.earthisland.org/journal/haarp3.html
List of HAARP patents -- http://www.padrak.com/ine/HAARP97.html
Live HAARPcam -- http://www.crystalinks.com/haarp.html
HAARP and Tesla -- http://www.borderlands.com/newstuff/research/teslahaa.htm
For those who may be interested, I checked back with my Ham radio friend. I'm not up on the techical jargon so in plain terms this is his report: The signal lasted approximately 72 hours and began on Saturday. The signal did not diminish during daylight hours and was received in Hong Kong, London, Norway, Germany and throughout the U.S. (Some unconfirmed reports from Russia and Central America, so far all reports from the Northern Hemisphere.)
Signal strength reports confirm the point of origin as Alaska. HAARP has denied trasmitting. It is believed to be a digital message. HAARP announced yesterday they will be conducting a test soon.
FYI
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