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The following quotes are from three Alyson publications recomended to teens by GLSEN: Young, Gay and Proud!, One Teenager in Ten, and Two Teenagers in Twenty.
Alyson Publications is a major publisher of homosexual pornography including depictions of mother/daughter incest. Alyson Publications presents pedophilia without condemnation, publishes arguments for it and instructions in how to do it without getting caught. Why? Because they entertain the notion that pedophilia is a legitimate "expression of sexuality". As long as it's consenting of course.
Now Alyson has a whole division devoted to publishing books for elementary and teenage children. The books quoted below are, purportedly, a collection of stories written by teenagers who struggled with their sexual identity offering their best advice and encouragement to other teenagers who may be struggling also.
Alyson editor, lesbian Ann Heron, writes about One Teenager in Ten, that "This new book, ...gives a realistic sense of what life is like for gay and lesbian teenagers....we, as a society, are failing to provide critical information and support for young people who feel they may be different....If you're one of those young people, I hope these stories will show that you're not alone."
If this presents a realistic look into the life of a child struggling with same sex desires then these children are seduced/molested at an alarmingly high rate and engage in dangerous/abusive sexual activity at a very young age. What's worse is that the adults who purport to care most about them (the editor of this book for example) present this sexual abuse as if they were tender "coming of age" stories. As if the children struggling with same sex desires are showing how healthy they are by engaging in sex with adults and by having sexual encounters regularly beginning at a very young age.
And, the message is clear, if "straight" kids don't want to be closed-minded, if they want to be "open" and "free" they'll mimic the homosexual sexual behavior and promiscuity related in these books.
In several stories intense sexual activity as a child is presented as normal and healthy, even child/adult sex is presented without question. Five and six year old's who regularly engaged in sex are described as children "who were willing" to explore their sexuality "to it's fullest extent." Many stories fondly recount a youthful sexual encounter with a much older man or woman. Sexual promiscuity and engaging in sex as a child/teenager is presented as "sexual freedom".
Heterosexual or "questioning" youth are encouraged to try same sex intercourse because, the Kinseyin theory is repeated over and over, "Everyone's really gay or bisexual." and "You won't know if you like it until you try it."
These books are in middle and high schools around the nation. Adults, real adults, have a responsibility to inform themselves about whats going on in public schools we fund. It is criminal to allow these people to educate our children on matters of sexuality!The children are depending on us to protect them. Please pass this information on to parents and other concerned adults.
Advice offered to teenagers in Young, Gay and Proud!
The page numbers will differ depending on what edition you have.
"Doing it: Gay men...Many people don't know the anus is not only an organ to remove waste. It's very sexually exciteable...Your first few times having anal sex might be a little hard. You may have to practice a bit before it starts feeling really good. I sure did." (pg. 81)
Remember, even though the above quote says "Gay men" this book is on the recomended reading list for TEENAGERS of virtually every homosexual advocacy group out there. That's why it's called 'Young, Gay and Proud!'. It is located in many public middle and high school libraries.
"There are no rules, no "right and wrong" way to approach our sexualities." (pg. 10)
"It's true that people can change over time, many individuals primarily think of themselves as primarily straight during one period of their lives, and primarily gay at another." (Kinsey rears his ugly head)
"I pity them, the ones who call themselves straight (which is a lot of shit) and miss out on something beautiful." (a lesbian teenager, pg. 55)
"Sex by itself never hurt anyone." (pg. 13-16)
"Gay people often have a much more sex-positive outlook than straight society does." (pg. 38)
"Doing it: Lesbians...Use your tongue...You can trace the edges of her labia, kiss and lick and suck her clitoris, and slip your tongue into her vagina or anus...No one is the world's greatest lover on the first attempt. So what? You and the woman you're with will work out what feels good for you." (pg 76-78)
In the back of Young, Gay and Proud! role models are offered to youth, one of them is Pat Califia, one of Alyson's most prolific writers of homosexual pornography, much of it depicting sadomasochism, incest, and pedophilia.
One Teenager in Ten and Two Teenagers in Twenty
"Then about a week later, they had a friend of theirs from work come over to style my hair. His name was Claude. I had met him once before and could tell he was gay. As he was cutting my hair, his crotch kept pushing itself into my shoulder. It was definitely a turn-on, and at that moment I came to the conclusion that I could be nothing but gay. Claude, where ever you are, thank you for that meaningful shove that helped me make up my mind as to who I am."
"We went to my place and went in, and this time Fred was home. I asked him if Ray could stay the night; he said yes and then went into the bedroom. He came back with sheets and a small tube of KY stuck inside a towel. He also handed me the keys to a vacant apartment...Ray slipped his hand over onto my lap, then he gave me a look of genuine surprise. He then apologized for not being "well hung". My lord, when I finally got his clothes off, I discovered he was hung like a Greek god." ( 17 year old David remembering how he "found his sexuality" as a teenager. pg. 30, 36)
"But my first real affair was with a much older man, and he was a beautiful person. I grew so much from our relationship. He shared his experience with me, and his love, and I grew." (Christopher, age 17, remembering his teen sexual experiences. pg. 23)
"Chuck also brought me up to a gay bar in Oqunquit, Maine, where I had a blast. Even if you're underage, you can still get into bars. All it takes is brains and plans. Plan A: Know the person at the door. Plan B: Get there early enough that no one is at the door. I've now been to five different bars, and I've gotten in every time." (Gretchen, age 17, pg.22)
"When I was seventeen, I came out to my brother and his lover. We were all away on vacation. They were in bed, and I just came in and blurted it all out. I had known about them for a long time, but they had no clue that I was gay. I'd been very sexually active since I was twelve, and I had lots of stories to tell them. I felt great." (Kyle, age 18, pg. 16-17)
"My parents think that I was too young to make such a decision in high school. Now I an eighteen and they still think I am too young to decide that I am emotionally, mentally, and physically attracted to women. I am not, nor was I ever, too young to make the decisions I have made." (Joanne, age 18, pg. 43)
"I was thirteen and a freshman when I met my first lover, Carla. Before we became lovers, we were really close friends. After a few months, the relationship began to get physical.....My relationship with Carla was almost over, because she had met a boy. Diane and I got really close...It's wonderful to be gay!" (Sue, age 17, pg. 57-58)
"When I was little, I always thought I would get married, have children, and stay home cooking, cleaning, and doing all the things housewives do. I expected such a future until I turned fifteen and started dating. I began to see that there were other things to do. I also began to notice homosexual couples and how happy they seemed. I really envied them...I never believed that it was wrong or sinful but I never thought that I might be gay.....A few months later I met Sue. I fell in love with her...I am eighteen now and it has been over a year since I met her and almost a year that we've been lovers...I often wonder how people can say it is wrong if they have never tried it." (Diane, age 18, pg. 59-61)
"The easiest thing to do is get discouraged...Try to recapture how happy your gay feelings make you, ...or remember how it feels to be with your lover. If you haven't had a lover, well then, you have something to look forward to." (Liza, age 17, pg. 76-77)
"I didn't realize I was gay until I was in the fifth grade; I am now in the tenth grade. My first experience came when I'd invited a boy my age to our home. We did nothing more than kiss." (Allan, age 16, pg.78)
"I am a fifteen year old bisexual female in the tenth grade...The summer before my sophomore year was very important. I met one of my mom's friends, and it turned out that she was a lesbian. I started hanging out with her and her girlfriend. They took me to a lot of places where straight people would never go--like lesbian softball games. They taught me how to be free with my self...The gay people there were all so free with themselves. I remember thinking that I wanted to be free with myself, too, " (Jesse, age 15, pg. 87-88)
"It was July, and I had just turned seventeen....I already knew my sexual feelings and had accepted them. So I began to use my car and fake IDs to investigate "my world". I had gone to a youth group, but the one I went to was full of hustlers and queens. So I began to go out to bars, porno houses for gays etc. Many times I really had to speed home to make my midnight curfew." (Jim, age 17, pg. 89)
"About four years ago I figured out that I was attracted only to females. I was fifteen at the time....One day the following summer, Mia and I went on a long bike ride together...All of a sudden Mia started messing around, giving me a backrub. One thing led to another, and we discovered something even more exhausting than bike riding." (DeMelon, age 19, pg. 99)
"I can remember wanting to kiss and touch other boys since I was five or six. Other boys would get embarrassed when I tried to kiss them." (Mark, age 18, pg.110)
"I've known I was different since I was five or six. At the time I didn't understand the feelings inside of me or what they meant. I just knew that I was attracted to boys....I thought that just because I was gay, my chances of getting the (AIDS) disease would be higher than if I were straight. (Later I learned that there is no high-risk group, just high-risk behavior. That was very comforting!" (Kenneth, age 17, pg. 115)
"It is also unfortunate that by the time most young people discover their own sexuality, be they gay or straight, their religious mores and values are pretty well set." (James, age 24, pg.121, from Seattle no less)
"One night Justin asked me to go to the Rocky Horror Picture Show. (In case you don't know, lot's of gays and "bi" people go there.) One night I went to Rocky just a little drunk....this girl that I really liked walked in. She came over and said "Hi" and asked if we could talk...I went with her...and she turned and started kissing me. I started kissing back....Out of all my straight friends, Diana was the only one who stayed my friend. She started going to see Rocky, and after a while, she came out to me and now we're lovers." (Kozie, age 18, pg 187-88)
"Last summer, I finally came to grips with the fact that I was gay. I had been having sex with a man since I was fourteen, but I thought it was just a phase...I started going to the gay bar in our town, and ended up spending a lot of my free time there, especially on weekend nights." (Mike, age17, pg. 134)
" I can not remember a day in my life when I did not have sexual feelings. Since the dawn of my memory, I can remember not only being sexually aware but also being sexually active to a certain degree...I first became sexually active with my playmates when I was five or six, but I was never the first to initiate anything. What we did seems primitive now, but actually it isn't as childish as it seems. We were human beings who had no social inhibitions and were willing to explore our sexuality to it's fullest extent....I managed to avoid contracting venereal disease through all my toddler and preteen years....From early childhood, my sex life continued fervently for years without disruption. When I was twelve, I began to detect a sense of guilt from my partners. I felt many times that I got the cold shoulder following sex. It began to spread to other times...This was the beginning of a tumultuous adolescence...I felt isolated, estranged." (Aaron, age 19, pg. 137-138. Aaron went on to write the book 'Reflections of a Rock Lobster' that the publisher, Alyson Publications, refers teens to at the end of Aaron's story for more good advice.)
"I'm sixteen now and something happened recently that proved to me I'm gay. I stayed at an older girl's house for the night. I think she knew I was gay; I think that's why she invited me over. We were talking and I told her about the time I got beaten up at school, and she began to cry. So did I. I never let anyone touch me, but it seemed right when she pulled me close to her and held me. She looked me in the eyes and told me to never be ashamed of who I was. Then she squeezed me in her arms and kissed me. I know for sure now that I'm gay...and I always will be." (Elizabeth, age 16, pg. 148)
"I have many pen pals. When I was fourteen, my pen pal from Neveda came to meet me....I had my first gay "experience" with him. Although I wanted it at the time I felt awful afterwards...Then something amazing happened. My twelve year old sister confided to me that she is a lesbian...I have since come out to several pen pals that I'm close to. Oddly enough, they were all gay too." (Gary, age 17, pg. 162. Alyson Publications just happens to run a pen pal service targeted to teens. That's where the editor say's she solicited stories for these books. Being a part of a pen pal club is mentioned often by the "teens" writing these advice stories for other teens)
"My name is Nichole, and I'm a lesbian. I'm twelve years old. I know people think I'm young, but I know how I feel...I came out to my big sister when I was ten....After the family meeting Gary (Nichole's brother) called me into his room...He said "Nichole, I'm the same as you." I said, "You're gay too?!" I was very happy. I was so relieved to know another gay person, especially one in the family. He showed me One Teenager in Ten. I was happy that he was helping me." (Nichole, age 12, pg.167-168)
Older men who show boys what "love" is? A toddler who enjoys sex but manages to "escape" venereal disease? Who do school administrators think is having sex with these children?
Both editions of this book include an essay by Bill Andriette who is associated with the North American Man Boy Love Association (NAMBLA, a homosexual "pedophile rights" organization). Andriette argues on the NAMBLA web site that children have the "right" to have sex with full grown men.
When challenged about her inclusion of Andriette in her books Ann Heron, responded,
" I'm not saying, you know, I'm not determining whether NAMBLA or anybody else is a sexual offender, but I'm just saying I can find people wanting intergenerational sex who are straight." (KIRO radio 2-7-99)
Heron was unwilling to determine that a group of men who demand the right to have sex with children, because they have enjoyed their sexual encounters with children, are indeed sexual offenders! And then, in chilling Orwellion fashion and in a deliberate effort to legitimize pedophilia, she sanitizes this criminal and immoral act by renaming it "intergenerational sex"!
More quotes from the book:
"And what benefit does it bring to know that Gay Is Good when your peers think that Homosexual Is Horrible? For gay liberation to have any value for youth, people must be reminded, preferably in fifth-or sixth grade sex education classes, that gay is not only good, but probably a part of most sexual makeups." (Bill Andriette, 16, pg. 171. Again, Mr. Andriette, who seems to have found the fountain of youth and is being pawned off as a teen well beyond his teen years, was the editor of the North American Man Boy Love Association Bulletin. (NAMBLA) A pedophile advocacy group who believes adults should have sex with children.
In the back of One Teenager in Ten teenagers are referred to more Alyson Publication books, among them; Gay Sex, a book that gives instruction in homosexual sex and prints advice from NAMBLA on how to have sex with children and not get caught (pg. 123). The Lesbian Sex Book that gives instruction on how to have lesbian sex. Young, Gay and Proud! a book Alyson describes as a "good introduction for teenagers about what it means to be gay."
Sick!
These books are in middle and high schools around the nation. Adults, real adults, have a responsibility to inform themselves about whats going on in public schools we fund. It is criminal to allow these people to educate our children on matters of sexuality!The children are depending on us to protect them. Please pass this information on to parents and other concerned adults."
Heeded. But how do we find out if our public schools have these books and how they're being distributed? Health ed teacher interviews? Librarian interviews?
Help me out here, please.
The religion of "homosexualism" is being thrust upon our children - and all who would disagree with this "ism" are branded as bigots and intolerant.
"Homosexualism" the religion (and cult) is the one movement that preys upon the young (defenseless because they have not formed moral underpinnings) - the vulnerable (lonely and deserted) - the confused - the broken - and the wounded in our society. Are not these the very ones who need protection?
"Homosexualism" can only grow through indoctrination and recruitment of the young and the wounded in society.
"It is also unfortunate that by the time most young people discover their own sexuality, be they gay or straight, their religious mores and values are pretty well set."
Oh, the horror...those pesky morals getting in the way...
... how do we find out if our public schools have these books...
I wouldn't trust the staff to tell the truth, and I would assume asking such questions would mark your kids for ridicule/reprisal by school employees.
*I* would visit the school personally after hours, and/or during one of the parents' nights, and roam the facilities/library with my eyes WIDE OPEN.
While there is a chance some material will be hidden, I have been shocked by some of the stuff I've seen posted/displayed openly in school rooms during parent meetings.
Librarian reviews? Haven't you heard (from Dr. Laura or some other attentive source) the librarians, as represented by the American Library Association, are in the enemy camp on this one. Their official position is against filtering software even in children's rooms, and in favor of stocking homosexualist books (even in children's rooms).
The barbarians are inside the gates.
Is this society in the terminal glide path to destruction?
Great idea. I'm very observant :-).
The taboos against pedophilia are coming down, fast!
Is this society in the terminal glide path to destruction?
Pretty much...although I've always regarded the "terminal glide" as a screaming death plunge straight into the pavement.
If your children aren't in a private school or homeschool, why not?
AB
So what do you recommend? How do we scan the material at the library? Barge in? I tell you what, this disgusts and saddens me, but my relationship with my son is loving, teaching, and wholesome. We read each night, and pray to God before we sleep.
Although they may have filth in the library, and drugs on the streets, I pray that my leadership and example to my son is enough so that he learns what it means to be Christian, heterosexual, and conservative.
I would make a public records request for these specific book titles and any other books that address the topic of homosexuality. YOU HAVE A RIGHT TO THIS INFORMATION! Cover all the key words, homosexual, lesbian, gay, bi-sexual, transgender. The books probably slipped in under some kind of "diversity" or "safety" banner even though they deal directly with sexuality. They have to provide you with all titles and where they are located. When we did it here in Seattle the librarians protested, said that the records request was an attempt at "intimidation". Can you believe that? It took a while but we finally got it.
I agree with the point that the ALA's policies are such; however, I know the librarians in small town schools aren't going to be willing to take the heat from irate parents. Ahem. School board petitioning? You bet. Letter-writing campaigns to the local newspaper(s)? For sure. I'm willing to try all kinds of tactics. It's high time to fight back.
Excellent suggestion!
I think I'll leave these folks to the Democrat Party.
Not to be profane, but it is an EXIT hole, not an ENTRANCE hole!!! Sick and wrong.
Dear Friends,
"Sex by itself never hurt anyone." (pg. 13-16)
Consider that our ex-president has one wicked case of Peyrronie's Disease, we know that self abuse has it's dangers. Please don't try this at home.
Damn straight! and I'll leave it at that...
The day my kids are approached in school with this, the following day there will be a "breaking story" here at FR...
Hold on! Are you saying that all 'statutory rape' laws are about to be repealed? Say it ain't so!
I don't particularly care for homosexuality or for homosexuals trying to promote sex with children. I don't, however, think it should be illegal for young men or boys to have sex with adult women. Nine times out of ten, its the boy who tries to initiate it. I had a difficult enough time when I was thirteen without a law making it illegal for a woman over seventeen to have sex with me. I realize that this view does not take the possibility of pregnancy into account very well, but that's another subject. A woman's act of divine generosity should not be considered a crime. I would still question the woman who does it, but I don't think it's fair to put her in jail.
Those Barf Alert warnings in the thread titles have always seemed nonsensical to me. Yet after only a couple of paragraphs I am unable to read any further because this makes me want to puke. I don't think I'm alone in this.
If this is what is being taught to kids via the Schools, then I' m glad I've no children. REAL GLAD. But, what about Your kids, grandkids. Their doing this for a reason.
LOOK, LISTEN and LEARN
Your first few times having anal sex might be a little hard. You may have to practice a bit before it starts feeling really good. I sure did.
Uhhh....yeah....well, a doctor friend of mine calls it "distensible tissue." With a little "practice" you can drive a truck up there but I'm not sure that makes it something you'd necessarily want to do...
"They took me to a lot of places where straight people would never go--like lesbian softball games."
I don't know about this. In the movies they are quite a "turn-on", no? I'm sure that if most lesbians looked like they do in the movies, they'd have to keep the straight guys out with a stick.
Seriously, though, these kids are a lost generation. They are going through all of the turmoil of adolescence and society tells them that they are "gay". It's another example of the media's extension of its power into the lives of children.
Let's see you queer lovers defend this one...
let's see you do it with this group of Freepers attention.
I'll be sitting back watching.
Let's see you queer lovers defend this one...
Uh, any real reason to be this offensive? This is a topic that with civility can be discussed, without it, not. Please?
"I didn't realize I was gay until I was in the fifth grade; I am now in the tenth grade. My first experience came when I'd invited a boy my age to our home. We did nothing more than kiss."
Sad. I guess it never occurred to this person that she just might not like the boy.
I read stuff like this and wonder where parents are. Also, I had the benefit of lots of brothers and sisters to talk to if I was uncomfortable talking to my parents.
Sorry there Billthedrill...
I find the defense of this behavior slightly more offensive than my statement. I will refrain from doing it again.
But when they come in, you'll understand why I did it. A freepmail acknowledgment later will be fine...
these kids are a lost generation
Disagree, although I'm about 5-10 years older that this group of kids.
When I was in school, they started some of the politically correct BS, but not too much. Homosexuals were flat out hated there. In fact, there were no less than 50 different derogatory terms for them, with more made up every day. In fact a few of them started in my school and was spread across the Livingston County area. We were proud of that.
Most of this crap that the PC'ers spew gets laughed at behind everyone's back. That's still the case today.
We shouldn't worry that much. Most kids won't bend over.
27 You say I am a queer lover. I am on record opposing sex curriculum for schools and I support the BSA right to free association. After all these threads how can you still get my statements wrong? PAY ATTENTION! TAKE NOTES IF NECESSARY, BUT GET IT RIGHT.
The reason you "think" I'm a queer lover is I stand up for human liberty and small government for ADULT taxpayers. Since queers are also adult taxpayers, that includes them.
Please get one of your other crusaders to explain this to you. I run out of patience easilly with people who misrepresent my views.
Is this such a large step by a society which sanctifies a woman's sole right to kill their own children as long as the baby's lungs are full of amniotic fluid?
Only a woman's soul can hear the screams of their murdered unborn for eternity. A pedophile can replay his/her partytime videos anytime they want, even with the sound turned down. +
Remember that "group of freepers" that's watching me? Now they are waiting to see if you have the personal ethics to admit your mistake.
Another reason I will never have children. What a sick world we live in.
Remember, even though the above quote says "Gay men" this book is on the recomended reading list for TEENAGERS of virtually every homosexual advocacy group out there. That's why it's called 'Young, Gay and Proud!'. It is located in many public middle and high school libraries.
Well, gee, isn't that nice.
Bryan:
You -- despite your claim to being a Social Conservative -- have, in prior threads, stated your opposition to the Libertarian Approach to Government Schooling, which is to Auction and Abolish all Public Schools. To wit, you reply,
"Whatever, Dude. Burn down the forest to get rid of the posion ivy".
Oh, sure -- the Government Schooling gulag "System" in America is a lush, verdant forest of educational excellence, marred only by a few scattered patches of "poison ivy", which Social Conservatives are marvellously competent to police....
Uh huh. As you said, "Whatever, dude."
Here's the Facts: The "forest" is the "poison ivy".
US Government Schooling is NOT ONLY a system of redistributionist collectivism predicated upon THEFT (a violation of the Eighth Commandment to those who claim to be Christians); it is a hopeless, helpless, unsalvageable, irredeemable, brackish, toxin-filled waste-water swamp of moral degeneracy, waste, and pedagogical collapse.
The only "solution" is the Libertarian solution: Auction and Abolish all Government Schooling.
Combined Federal, State, and Local spending in the Government Education Gulag is approaching $7,000 per child, per year. You would have to be stone-cold crazy to think that Christian Parents could not get twice the education for half the cost in our own Parochial Academies (okay, and Private Objectivist schools for the Randian atheists' kids, I suppose), and in schools where the faculty and staff were specifically dedicated to the advancement of your Values.... nothing against Catholics, for example, but I would like to see my kids educated by Calvinists, given the choice. And that's just the point -- we're not given the choice, are we? Everyone pays their property/sales/income/excise/etc.etc.etc. Taxes into the gaping maw of the Educational Gulag, and what do we get out of it? Schools which only manage to "educate" in our kids the attitude of ingrained Collectivist servitude and the destruction of our particular values.
I, for one, want to see my kids raised in schools where there intellects are challenged, their characters reinforced, and MY values taught. I will not find a diversity of choice which can accomodate that unless I go to the Private market to find it, and I will be far better able to afford it if you Public-School-Collectivists will give me my money back and renounce your commitment to violating the Eighth Commandment.
"Burning down the Forest to get rid of the poison ivy"??
It's ALL poison ivy. Burn it down.
32 Posted on 02/27/2001 11:52:00 PST by bigsigh
34 Posted on 02/27/2001 12:13:14 PST by bigsigh
Not so fast wise guy/gal/whatever...let's wait a little while...
Let's let some more folks see it first and then I'll respond...
With all due respect, you boast that you openly stand up for queers. As one who defines that love as an action, not merely an emotion, I'd day that makes you a queer lover. Score one for Sit-Rep.
PS...
You've said nothing about the article...what is your opinion of it?
bttt
"I didn't realize I was gay until I was in the fifth grade; I am now in the tenth grade. My first experience came when I'd invited a boy my age to our home. We did nothing more than kiss." (Allan, age 16, pg.78)
Sad. I guess it never occurred to this person that she just might not like the boy.
Not sure who you're referring to. The incident involved two boys.
IRead my previous statement and figure it out. If I wanted to reply more to the article I would have done so. I don't take assignments from people like you.
I was flagged by you and read your misrepresentation of my position and your threat that freepers would be watching. I asked you to acknowledge your mistake.
Apparently you don't have the ethics to do so.
Why do they keep griping about what's taught in public schools?
Get vouchers. Start private schools. Homeschool! Get the g'ment out of the indoctrination business!
Use your tongue...You can trace the edges of her labia, kiss and lick and suck her clitoris, and slip your tongue into her vagina or anus...No one is the world's greatest lover on the first attempt. So what?
Now, why didn't us guys get such explicit instructions? Sheesh....all we had we were dirty books, and every author kept changing the technique...it was soooo confusing!-)
Taxpayers have a right to speak out about the curriculum in public schools. Ask the others I can't explain their position.
A band of lunatics has taken over the cockpit and barricaded themselves inside. They are determined to test the theory that vertical flight is just as "valid" as horizontal flight. The coming crash and explosion is going to result in a backlash against the homo activists which is going to be epochal.
I don't particularly care for homosexuality or for homosexuals trying to promote sex with children. I don't, however, think it should be illegal for young men or boys to have sex with adult women.
You are kidding right? Child abuse is child abuse.
Yes, it is, absolutely.
prambo
I'm not saying they don't have the right; I'm asking why they bother instead of fighting for the real solutions.
Besides, almost every time they do complain, one almost gets the impression that they think g'ment schooling would be A-OK if only it'd fix this one little thing, usually (as in this case) with an undercurrent of rabid homophobia.
They're wrong. G'ment school = BAD.
Sounds like a pretty disgusting book that should not be available to children. And certainly not in schools.
Why only rights for homos? Let's be consistant.
What about bestiality: if you can purchase, kill and eat a pig, why not be able to have sex with it?
What about necrophilia, where the dear departed deceased has signed a consent agreement in advance?
What about cannibalism, where the dear departed has also signed a decree giving permission to be eaten by his "life partner"?
By what reasonable and consistant standard may society forbid these practices, if it must grant full rights including marriage, adoption etc to men who engage in anal sex as their defining characteristic?
Oops. I skimmed the article and didn't notice that. But my statement still holds.
I don't think it's unusual at all for teenagers to be uncomfortable when they first start dating. Having someone else to talk to certainly helps. What is a shame is that homosexuals with an agenda are trying to convince kids that those feelings aren't normal.
We are reaching new lows every day in the moral fibre of this country, and in Western Civilization as a whole.
The third world may be very backward to us in certain areas like economics, politics, etc, but most of the third-world countries are pulling ahead by leaps and bounds in the field of public morality.
In almost all Muslim countrys, there would be very little debate about what to with homosexuals indoctrinating young children. Even in animal-based religions in Africa this sort of behavior is simply intolerable. It is only in the West that this rush to embrace sodomy and pedophilia has taken hold.
We are in a culture war with the forces of evil, and all organized religion, be it Christian, Jewish, Muslim, etc, must unite and support the political people who will take ours, the decent people's side.
Do not listen to those fag-enablers who say we must be "tolerant", we must fight to win. We will win, as long as we remember it is the sin we hate, and the sinner can be reedemed. But we must never exchange the concept of "redemption" for "condonence".
"Why only rights for homos? Let's be consistant."
I never advocated rights only for homosexuals, even you might be defined as eligible for human rights. Although there may be some question after reading the rest of you agenda.
Although his position was strongly stated, "civility" to the human refuse that pedal this bushwah is what has landed this country in this mess.
Attempts at recruitment of someone's children for the sexual satisfaction of anyone, gay or straight, is felonious. It should be dealt with summarily and quickly.
The present increase in overt atttempts at opening recruitment to previously closed populations (Boy Scouts for instance) has one reason behind it. These populations have low levels of both the HIV virus and a lack of awareness, and the discernment, to decide that it is potentially suicidal behavior.
The trash pushing the gay agenda are, by definition, guilty of attempted murder.
Does anyone really believe these people care one whit about the spiritual and physical well-being of their targets? These clowns must recruit, because they can not procreate normally, although that barrier is fast disappearing.
The abyss is opening and we are standing on its crumbling edge.
prambo
Answer my specific cases in #51 with your reasons and justifications, or run away, but don't duck and dodge them.
I think we are talking about a very small minority of people here. No one in their right mind would advocate legalizing pedophilia. I think GLSEN wants to foster an environment where youth can feel comfortable addressing their sexuality. Hoever, they must not be allowed to bring this into the schools. In schools, homosexuality should be defined. That's all. Don't need to say its evil, don't need to say that it's okay.
OOOOOOOOOHHHHHH! Answer, or duck and dodge. Are those my choices. Thanx oh great one.
TYour questions are ridiculous. If you don't know the difference between cannibalism, necrophilia, and homosexuality, I'll not be your tutor. Get one of your fellow travellers to explain it to you.
These sick bastrads need to be exposed.
Think of all the young innocent minds they are destroying.
I agree but it's recomended reading for your kids so we need to be aware of what it is.
Young, Gay and Proud!,
these sicos are nothing about freedom- they are about their sickening immoral agenda
the recruitment of our children!
Cowards and moral cripples cannot defend the indefensible.
Please tell me on what possible basis society may outlaw the cases I mentioned in #51 while it must give every legal sanction to men who bugger and tear each others excretory orifices for perverted pleasure as their defining characteristic?
"Cowards and moral cripples cannot defend the indefensible."
I said I was not here to tutor you. Which name are you calling me?
May I call you ignorant for your inabllity to make easy intellectual distinctions? What are your rules for name calling and personal attacks?
Uh, any real reason to be this offensive? This is a topic that with civility can be discussed
homosexuality IS IN ITSELF OFFENSIVE
couple that with homos recruiting our children for their sickening perversion IS DOUBLE OFFENSIVE-
SO DONT WORRY THAT SOMEONES RESPONSE IS OFFENSIVE BECAUSE THE WHOLE IDEA OF HOMOSEXUALITY IS JUST THAT -OFFENSIVE!!!
NATIONAL GAY AND LESBIAN TASK FORCE PRESS RELEASE
Contact:David Elliot, Communications Director202-332-6483 ext. 3303 800-757-6476 pager delliot@ngltf.org http://www.ngltf.org/ 1700 Kalorama Road NW, Washington, DC
REDISTRICTING IS KEY TO GLBT RIGHTS DURING NEXT DECADE; NGLTF POLICY INSTITUTE RELEASES STRATEGY REPORT TO ASSIST ACTIVISTS
Feb. 23, 2001 - The National Gay and Lesbian Task Force Policy Institute today released a strategic report to help local activists in the gay, lesbian, bisexual and transgender (GLBT) community - and their allies - prepare to tackle the complicated and often inaccessible process of redistricting. Conducted once every decade, redistricting - the process of drawing new political boundaries to reflect population shifts - will take place during the next few months in state legislatures across the United States.
NGLTF Executive Director Elizabeth Toledo said that redistricting will have a profound effect on the make-up of Congress, state legislatures and many city councils and other elected bodies beginning with the November 2002 elections. The degree of support and opposition to GLBT-related legislation will in part be determined by the redrawing of district lines.
"Redistricting could have a more pronounced effect on who controls the U.S. House of Representatives and several state legislatures than the November 2000 elections," Toledo said. "It is imperative that gay, lesbian, bisexual and transgender activists forge alliances with other progressive groups to create progressive districts. These districts will make it more likely that GLBT-supportive candidates will be elected.'
The redistricting memo was authored by Robert W. Bailey, Ph.D., professor of public administration at Rutgers University, and attorneys Glenn Magpantay and Darren Rosenblum. An introduction outlining the redistricting process and explaining the importance of redistricting was written by Sean Cahill, director of the NGLTF Policy Institute. The NGLTF Policy Institute is a six-year-old think tank dedicated to research, policy analysis and strategic projects that advance gay, lesbian, bisexual and transgender equality.
"Redistricting is a somewhat complex process but at the same time it should be about a very simple principle: one person, one vote," Cahill said. "Everybody's vote should count equally. This memo gives activists the tools they need to ensure that the GLBT community's electoral clout is not diluted, either through splitting or packing of GLBT population clusters."
Entitled "Redistricting and the Gay, Lesbian, Bisexual and Transgender Community: A Strategy Memo," the tool is available for activists to download for free from the NGLTF web site. The URL is www.ngltf.org/downloads/redistrict.pdf The memo can also be purchased by calling 202-332-6483.
see previous post - coming to every district soon
You forgot to threaten me with death. C'mon...death by...what was it?...death by...
I have not stated one personal attack against you on this thread. Since you are neither a coward or a moral cripple I am sure that you will point out to me what is the MORAL difference between my cases in #51, and the defining practice of anal sodomy?
Why must homosexuals be granted every legal right by a society which may jail those who engage in consensual necrophilia or cannibalism, or engage in bestiality with animals which they may even kill and eat freely?
Please explain to me why anal buggery must be sanctioned and taught to our kids as an equally wholesome and valid "lifestyle option", while we jail those who take part in certain other distasteful acts with consenting adults or animals?
Frankly, all of these acts are equally loathesome perverted and disgusting to me, I don't see how you can draw a moral distinction. Please explain it to me so that I may be enlightened.
I have had several homosexuals/lesbians (some teachers), agree with the sexual advice given in these books and insist that they belong in public schools. When I would ask for a point by point defense of the advice offerred they refused to give it. When I asked if they were bothered by the pornography/pedophilia connections they'd say a weak yes but so what.
I asked if their schools sex education program encouraged teens NOT to engage in sex? If they answered yes (many DON'T have abstinence as a goal) I'd ask them why they would then turn around and encourage teens TO engage in sex with these books? No answer.
So many adults have lost their minds.
I posted these comments on Boy Scout related article, but they seem appropriate for this article too !!!
Oak Hay, I'm disturbed and puzzled about how a small bunch of contrary to nature freaks can destroy our whole civilization !!! These unsavory and unclean creatures delight in ramming their urine exhaust pipes into the rectal relief tubes of young boys (and of each other) !!! They brag and crow loudly about their filthy behavior !!! They demand access to our young and innocent children, so they can commit sodomy and oral sex acts upon them !!! Then they scream and holler "Homophobe"... when we seek to save our children from their filthy and immoral activities !!! WHY IS THIS ALLOWED TO CONTINUE IN THIS ONCE-FREE REPUBLIC ??? DO WE NOT HAVE THE RIGHT AND MORAL DUTY TO PROTECT OUR CHILDREN FROM SLIME LIKE THIS ???
I believe that God sees the truth but waits.
These people, aside from the obvious comments that they are sick, deviant, aberrations of nature, are going to face their judgement someday.
I believe firmly that God will make sure that this sick, deviant, behavior is punished someday.
There is no pit of hell too hot for these abominations. That this could come anywhere near children is beyond obscenity - it is a crime.
technical virgin.com: Offering alternatives to todays teens
I hope you guys are engaging in the kind of banter that would still allow you to go out and throw back a scotch together.
Finally a little levity around here
Sorry, it's a private joke between exmarine1 and me...
Remember the anger that was stirred within Jesus when He saw the Temple being used as a marketplace. The moneychangers abused the tolerance of the Levites and brought the unholy world right into the refuge from the unholy. Satan wants all the world, even the places supposedly set apart as a place of refuge.
The parents and grandparents, uncles, and aunties must guard their children (it takes a village) from the predators. A school (state and private) is a sanctuary and if it is being staffed by evil people and their teachings, said villagers should BE ANGRY and ACT. Senior High school (public and private) years are more problematic. At that stage adolescents have seen porn videos etc etc etc etc etc in places other than schools (in places that are other than said sanctuaries). Just walking around some filthy streets in some cities will polute some adolescents... it is getting harder and harder for parents to guide their teenagers onto the straight (pun) and narrow.
It could be said that it is all moot where parents abdicate thought for today, let alone thought for tomorrow. Parents have a sacred responsibility....
When I asked if they were bothered by the pornography/pedophilia connections they'd say a weak yes but so what.
'But so what', indeed. For anyone who thinks it through, this last statement should tell you more than you wish to know about the fall of this Republic. Think about it - people who make these statements are not only allowed acces to our kids - they're encouraged to follow the 'party line'. And if you're alarmed by this, try watchign a nhour of MTV in the evening. Check out the 'Undressed' or 'Celebrity Death Match' features for a full dose. Then think about how far down the road to destruction we've gone - our schools, universities, popular culture and political institutions are sick and corrupt beyond belief. And it's so common and everyday. 'But so what?' It's what Hannah Arendt called the banality of evil. And most of you who've read Arendt know the context in which that term was originally coined. That's where we're going. This crap is just another signpost along the road to slaughter and ruin.
Parents, for the most part, stand idly by.
Operation Gay Island may be the solution.
You forgot to threaten me with death. C'mon...death by...what was it?...death by...
ive NEVER threatened you or anyone else or even suggested to threaten ANY ONE
YOUR DEATH THREAT WILL COME FROM AIDS!
"Everyone's really gay or bisexual.""
Should read, "Everyone could be gay or bisexual", since perversity and total depravity are universal.
Of course, "Everyone could be a murderer", "Everyone could be an idolater", and "Everyone could be a blasphemer" are also correct, for the same reason.
Yeah you did, dontcha remember?
DEATH BY BONGA BONGA!!!
What, did you lose your sense of humor when you last sent your brain to the cleaners? Jeez...
Child abuse is child abuse.
I don't think pedophilia should be promoted in any way. I just don't think it should be illegal for underage males to have relations with adult women if they should happen to be so lucky. In ancient China, it was not considered unusual for women to perform fellatio on male infants to get them to stop crying. I know that the jews consider boys to be men at thirteen. In fact, a few thousand years ago, men were lucky to live past seventeen. Most boys start puberty at twelve or thirteen. If sex for a boy was an unnatural act, they wouldn't all be masturbating on their own volition before they were eighteen. To suggest that a woman having sex with a minor is somehow "abuse" is strictly culturally based. How many men do you know who were that "lucky" as boys who consider themselves to have been "abused"?
I'm not saying that sex with minors should be condoned, but I don't think a woman should go to jail for giving in to a younger man's advances. I do not believe this constitutes abuse. It may be culturally and socially unacceptable, but I don't think it's criminal. If the woman goes after the young man, it may be another story. I believe that you don't have to be eighteen to consent to a natural act that you are physically ready for if you are mentally mature as well. Age is only a number. If you do, then no minors should be held responsible as adults for any crimes they may commit. They're either adults or not. They either know what they're doing or not. You can't have it both ways.
Please note that I only feel this way when it comes to young men and heterosexuality. I feel qualified to do so becaue I was a young man and I would know if I were being abused. A woman giving pleasure to a man is the antithesis of abuse. I can't speak for all young men and I can't speak for young women, however, so I don't. I would agree, though, that homosexuals should stay away from minors altogether.
Disgraced former marines have no sense of humor.
Thats a roger.
What will the twenty million Americans who paid $8 each for the privledge of watching Anthony Hopkins eat the brains of a living victim do for their next big thrill? Remember, in the movie, Hannibal the Cannibal is the hero, and he wins in the end.
If and when our Republic falls, and the new cocentration camps and gas chambers are built, there will be an overwhelming glut of volunteers eager to drop the Zyklon-B crystals down the vent pipe and hear the screaming.
This will be the price of our raising a generation of morally neutral, nihilistic, anti-religious sensation seekers.
What will the twenty million Americans who paid $8 each for the privledge of watching Anthony Hopkins eat the brains of a living victim do for their next big thrill?
Watch The Sopranos?
You can watch dead bodies being hacked up by power saws all courtesy of HBO.
In ancient China, it was not considered unusual for women to perform fellatio on male infants to get them to stop crying.
I do not know if this is true, somehow I doubt it. However, Kinsey, who was a major pervert, advocated the same kind of thing.
Gay people have rights only to the extent that it does not interfere with the rights of other people. I view gay people as socially deviant. Let them exercise their rights in a private gay community. But when these deviants start poisoning the minds of young people they prey on, that's where the line should be drawn.
Have you ever used a library? Try the Card Catalog or a computer catalog search, by subject, author, or title.
Hello?
Please explain to me why anal buggery must be sanctioned and taught to our kids as an equally wholesome and valid "lifestyle option",
I have said just the opposite on this very thread and others. Why do you bring up teaching anal intercourse to kids to me? You should read more carefully.
I have said twice already that I will not explain to you the dufference between the acts you listed. You say there is no difference. Well there you have it. I have asked you to get someone who wants to take on this remedial task to do so. Perhaps someone more in line with your way of thinking and your intellectual level.
Also you can search the Libertarian threads. Half of them deteriorate into dicsussions of incest and beastiality. Therein you will find the information you seek.
"You won't know if you like it until you try it."
I have never had any part of my body pierced (on purpose) or tattooed, but I know I wouldn't like it... In fact, I spend a majority of my day trying to avoid stabbing myself with sharp objects...
You know, I've also never jumped off a bridge either... But I'm pretty sure I wouldn't like it. Homosexual practices, or for that matter, promiscuous heterosexual practices, are inherantly dangerous. "Safe(er) sex" can reduce the hazards, but there is always the element of risk. For instance, if a condom has a failure rate of 5%, is that a risk you would be willing to take? I know if that was the risk level for getting on my motorcycle, I'd never get on again. How about for a skydiver? If a skydiver knew that there was a 1 in 20 chance that his parachutes would fail, how many people would participate.
The other night I saw someone from a "reproductive rights" group on Fox News, talking about how abstanance (sp?) doesn't work... How wrong can you get? Abstanance is the only real, 100% effective sort of "safe sex."
Mark
BB and Paper This guy has disappeared in the light of truth which has been shown on his calling me out. He doesn't have the ethics to admit a mistake. He changes the question after feeling the heat and then disappears.
Don't get your panties in a wad...I ain't gone now where...
cough...
now = no...
Interesting you can't respond when called on the acknowledge your errors, but when it's pointed out you're right there. Interesting.
The only panties I have in a wad are your mothers.
Close down the government schools.
You have continually defended the homosexual life style. Only now you clearly state a purpose of Taxes. excuse me...ADULT Taxes.
Sorry the bigsigh...I do not believe you for an instant. All I have to do is spend about three minutes on this sites search engine and can give you all the answers you want....all I have to do is type in your name and hit enter.
As stated before, I am waiting for a while. Lurking from time to time, and attending to other web interests before I respond to your above request.
And BTW...
The article mentioned the very little about Curriculum...I asked you to defend the homosexual agenda in the article....you did read it didn't you?
Again, you find a little tiny loop hole and try to worm through it.
The only panties I have in a wad are your mothers.
Sorry, would never happen...My mamma don't like queers neither
I was concerned that someone might zero in on that. I only mentioned it to point out how broad the cultural spectrum can be. I don't know if it's true either and I don't advocate it.
That is fine, as long as you allow for the equal protection clause and make it ok for a adult male to 'teach' a 13 yr old girl all about 'things'. What's good for the goose is good for the gander, eh? The way they grow females these days it is real hard to tell if they are 18 or not anyway. Maybe the law should be modified to allow for the younger maturation of people nowadays and make puberty the deciding factor in consent instead of arbitrary age limits.
Naive, imbecilic, liberal accommodators of the homosexual agenda for America need to read and understand this garbage.
Abstain and refrain, that's the motto.
You need to change your handle to something more respectable than Geek!
You have it exactly right and it expresses the utter frustration and anger at knowing just what the homosexual agenda intends for America.
Ummm...bigsigh, did ya git my post #98?
bigsigh?...you there?
For all those lurkers, bigsigh is "bunched up" becuase of me no respond to his post 32....
in response to my post 27...
FYI
big sigh(dilemma)...when confronted with the choices of diametric competing paradigms---he shifts from the right and left of the bad choice and feigns holding the higher moral opposite position!!
That is fine, as long as you allow for the equal protection clause and make it ok for a adult male to 'teach' a 13 yr old girl all about 'things'. What's good for the goose is good for the gander, eh? The way they grow females these days it is real hard to tell if they are 18 or not anyway.
I would be inclined to agree except for a few factors. Typically, in our society, men are the pursuers, not women. The whole concept of statutory rape was developed to protect young girls from perverts. I believe that young girls are far more likely to be truly be abused by an adult man's unwanted advances than a young boy from an adult woman's. Also, I have never been a young girl, so it would be innapropriate for me to speak for them. I was only attempting to defend the right of an underage young man to pursue an older woman without her being criminalized for responding. This offers an alternative to young men from pressuring girls their age who are not ready.
Maybe the law should be modified to allow for the younger maturation of people nowadays and make puberty the deciding factor in consent instead of arbitrary age limits.
This I would be quicker to agree with if it were possible to come up with a standard for measuring one's maturity level and capacity to "consent".
Hey bigsigh....where'd ya go?
"You won't know if you like it until you try it."
This reminds me of an absolutely true Dr. Pepper
promotional campaign I saw while in the UK a couple of years ago:
"Suck it and see! One in ten wins!"
I saved the can...
Still no answer to the queries posited on #51, 62 or 68.
You are still ducking and dodging and weaving around the truth, which I can understand, because the truth here is very very ugly, and tends to make the homo defenders extremely uncomfortable.
????
Should read, "Everyone could be gay or bisexual", since perversity and total depravity are universal. Of course, "Everyone could be a murderer", "Everyone could be an idolater", and "Everyone could be a blasphemer" are also correct, for the same reason.
Yes.
Unlike some of our brethren in Faith, I am not particularly bothered by the idea that homosexual tendencies could be genetically pre-disposed, although I consider the data so far highly inconclusive. But so what if it is? Reformed Theology teaches me that Sin is genetically pre-disposed; that doesn't change the fact that Repentance is Mandatory.
The only panties I have in a wad are your mothers.
Despicable.
Hey where'd you go???
I hope they did'nt ban him...not right now. Let him face the music, and then pretend you do not see it for two days...then ban him
There is no call for that garbage here or anywhere else. When people speak like that it is best that as many know as possible.
why don't you give the redistricting memo its own thread?
Five and six year old's who regularly engaged in sex are described as children "who were willing" to explore their sexuality "to it's fullest extent."
I think the liberal word is "progressive".
Thats a good one.
After reading this, you won't be the only one "MadAsHell."
bttt
Hold on! Are you saying that all 'statutory rape' laws are about to be repealed? Say it ain't so!
Not all statutory rape laws -- prosecutions will proceed with a vehemence against 18-year-olds that have had consensual sex with 16-year-olds of the opposite sex.
I wasn't going to comment on this thread, since I find the entire thing so offensive. However, the link you provided just blew me away. Please tell me these are not real commericals they are putting on the airwaves.
To think that the public schools are recommending this kind of reading material to children is just beyond my comprehension. There is no defending this, and if I had children in the public schools there would indeed be "film at eleven."
Great post, ethical. I just read parts to my wife, who said she's going to end up killing a teacher. You can demand that your kids are kept out of sex ed classes (which apparently begin in first grade in many schools), but I fear that by now, this poison is being spoonfed to kids via English and social studies "tolerance curricula."
Force Without Force: Wendy Shalit on Modesty
its a joke
From their FAQ
Are you really encouraging teenagers to engage in anal sex?
No, of course not. Our "Public Service Announcement" is very obviously a parody of "teen abstinence" PSAs, and this site is a parody of "teen abstinence" sites. We feel that the entire abstinence approach to teen sexuality is unrealistic and misguided, and this site is our response to that.
Re Statutory rape laws: I was recently told by someone whose young daughter was with an older male, that the law now is that the girl must bring the charges, the girls parents cannot. This is what they said they were told by the police. Does anyone know if this is true or not?
Thanks, I was just going to return to the link and see if I could read more, hoping this is some sort of parody! Perhaps I am a little naive?
heh I only knew cause a friend showed me (and told me it was a parody). Whether or not they really put that ad on tv, i dont know
FRegards
Re Statutory rape laws: I was recently told by someone whose young daughter was with an older male, that the law now is that the girl must bring the charges, the girls parents cannot. This is what they said they were told by the police. Does anyone know if this is true or not?
I think it varies state by state but i think my state only the parents can press charges.
I dunno what state you live in but try a yahoo search on it and look for your state.
Children exposed to this rot will grow up to be degenerate old men, having "intergenerational" sex in the workplace with co-workers their own childrens age and using cigars as sex toys. Geez they might even end up being President.
Re Statutory rape laws: I was recently told by someone whose young daughter was with an older male, that the law now is that the girl must bring the charges, the girls parents cannot. This is what they said they were told by the police. Does anyone know if this is true or not?
I don't know, but I wouldn't rely on the police for legal advice.
You got it. It comes under the banner of "safety" or "diversity". We argued that it deals with human sexuality and therefor parental notification, whenever the subject matter is introduced, was warrented. The Seattle school district disagreed, even though they notify parents when heterosexual sexual topics are introduced. It is interesting to note that the liberal, homosexual activists who created the sex education curricula for Seattle Public Schools, offerred students over the age of 18 the right to opt out if they felt that exposure would cause "phsychological" damage but refused to allow parents the right to opt out children under 18.
Re 99 When you act like an a!!h*le, don't be surprised when you're responded to as an a#@h*ole.
Walsh you are like the referree who sees the second punch and throws the guy out of the game. In this case however, the evidence is on the thread as to your partners first shot. I don't expect you to agree, but you know the truth, it's right in your face.
Although it's almost ten years old, I still think that one of the best intros to the ways the pubic, er public schools seek to destroy the family is Thomas Sowell's Inside American Education: The Decline, the Deception, the Dogmas (The Free Press). Sowell points out that when the sexualists started preaching sex to the kiddies, they claimed that the schools could change society. Then, when an epidemic of out-of-wedlock births followed their "leadership," they backtracked, claiming "the schools only mirror society." But of course, their beliefs remained unchanged, and they weren't really bothered at all by the unwed births. No more than they were by the rise of in-your-face homosexuality.
Sowell also talks about teacher methods which involve having kids reveal their most intimate personal and family matters to teachers, while being sworn to secrecy, "death ed," and other methods promoting moral, psychic, and family disintegration.
As one would expect, Sowell's book is great regarding other aspects of political correctness, too.
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88 you are mixing two ideas. As I said earlier I oppose this type of info in schools.
Your first point is a contradiction, people do not abrogate your rights by exercising their own. Please give an example of how this is happening.
re 115 If I'm banned you'll know it because you will be banned also. I responded to you in-kind. If you don't like the heat, don't light the match.
I bet he likes to taste of that brown stuff
Chocolate! Who doesn't like chocolate.
It's not nice to refer to people in then third person and not flag them.
First off, what point is a contradiction?
We all have rights. This does not mean that certain groups are granted special rights because of their sexual preference. Bring some meat to the table, then I will elaborate on my position.
re 98 I am waiting you to post all my comments that defend your position. Said you could do it in three minutes. As for this post you can wait for me to defend it all you want. The arrogance, that that you presume such without evidence.
You are the one who said people exercising rights impose on yours. Where's the beef?
That's it?....that's your response after the hissy fit you through?
I see your freinds never showed up either.
And you never answered Mr. McGee...gee wiz bigsigh. I thought you would condemn such behavior? It never came...
Some waste life...
You have mischaracterized my opinion from your first post. Still waiting for an acknowledgement from you. The fact that you have not done so indicates dishonesty.
Those people are not my friends. I don't know them. You singled them out and I flagged them to read the response so you could be shown for the disruptor that you are. Strike two.
McGee's question was so remedial, I suggested you or some of his ilk could help him. Perhaps you didn't read that the first three times I said it. Also, I referred him to other threads where he could get his answer. Strike 3.
I don't take such ridiculous assignments. Perhaps you can explain to him the difference between homosexuality and cannibalism. If you can't, I suggest you two don't get together to eat.
And some lives are waste..........
Yes, I too would like to know what is up with the offensive tone from sit-rep, Bill. I guess I am labeled a 'queer lover' because I do not advocate a society were homosexuals are hunted down like rabbits or possums. I guess I am called that because I have told sit-rep, and others, that they can stay out of my bedroom, and that offends his him/her. They must not like the idea that not everyone wants to live in a society where they dictate what people do in their private lives.
That said, sit-rep, I am not sure why you are obesessed with homosexuals. Maybe you should try getting a hobby. And I'm not sure what response you want from me, but I also don't care.
When you can answer my original post to you, you will be clear in my eyes(and a great many others).
You returned with your post 32 and never answered my request...and that is, your opinion of the article.
Now, again...whta is your opinion of this article?
You lurkers at present. From the git go...have I not asked this of this man/madam/whatever?
Why can't the answer be as simple as "yes I do"(the odds) and "no I do not"?
The closest he has come to a legitimate answer is, "I always opposed this cirriculum"...Am I wrong? If so, let me know.
SR...
And here you are....and said nothing in regard to the article...
Nothing...
Hey, hey boys. (?) I'm assuming but it sounds like it.
Looks like what?
seriously...
I came here because of your insulting flag. I gave all the answers I intended to give. Because your reading comprehension is weak, don't blame me.
You ascribed certain false postions to me in your first post. Now make up my answer to any other questions you might have.
You insulted me and when I responded in kind you were offended and responded with more insults.
When you acknowledge the wrongheadedness of your first post and your insulting demeanor, I'll consider giving you more of an answer. Until that time you are getting what you deserve.
149 appears to be using english vocabulary, but meaning is unknown. All your base belong to us?
then shut the hell up...
re148 You are under the delusion that you can force people to give you information. You have a serious problem. Being needy amongst them.
re 53 "then shut the hell up..." sit-rep
And now the coup de gras!
There is a general assertion that all individuals are created equal. However, the equality referred to is equality of protection, rather than equality of possession. For example, the Fourteenth Amendment states that no state shall "deny to any person within its jurisdiction the equal protection of the laws" (excerpt). This is no more than to say that "special favors" shall NOT be granted by law either in the provisions for the enjoyment or the protection of Civil Rights.
What is at issue is the "balancing of interest" here. It is therefore the task of law, by reason to work out that balancing of interests, which will consort most fully with the ideal of JUSTICE held by the SOCIETY of the period; and satisfy the socially valuable interests of the respective members of the community. Apart from determining what interests will be recognized by law, and within what limits a JUST balance of CONFLICTING INTERESTS will set forth this recognition, a legal system MUST also work out a means for protecting and securing these interests.
Consequently, this approaches the the subject of absolute duties which are imposed by law to protect the social interest of PEACE, ORDER, and well being of the COMMUNITY, as opposed to only protecting individuals interests against infringement, ect.
In my visualization of the FREE REPUBLIC, Gay rights are superceded in accordance with the preceding principles. That's it.
re 149 I understand the precepts of civilized discourse, but I chose to respond in-kind. I am willing to go down in flames to take such people with me. Especially when my postion is so wrongly misrepresented or I get called out as this guy did.
Juvenile, to be sure, but it suits my purpose to expose these people.
And you get to decide on the well being of the community. I'll see you on the gay marriage threads and we can discuss equal protection under the law. I might mention that you did not give examples of extra or special rights.
Last word to you, I'm arm weary from beating down the ranter.
Next time address me respectfully when you flag me and get my position stated correctly. I leave you whimpering in a fetal position. Good bye!
I am willing to go down in flames to take such people with me.
LOL You really need to get a life for yourself
I ain't under the delusion of nothing bigsigh...next to ferrit, you are the Biggest defender of gay life on this forum. A forum that was founded and run on religious and moral principle in conjunction with Constitutional awareness and presevation initiatives. Your very presence is a blemish on it.
Religious principle is something a lot of people take very seriously. As stated to a fellow freeper, with an apology to them all, I said that due to an education level dwarfing the majority, and a life's occupation swinging a hammer, this is what you get from me. Others, if they had the nerv, would come out of lurking status and blast the hell out of you in a way that would make Ayn Rand look like a Dr. Suess writer--but they do not and lucky for you.
Just becuase they do not come in and defend their views, does not mean they are not there...just remember that.
Ya ya...I know. "You don't have to listen to me because I insulted you.
Still waiting for you to respond to #51,62,68: on what rational basis may a society jail people for certain consensual acts, but demand full rights for men whose defining characteristic is a craving for anal sodomy?
Why should such fellows be held in higher regard, say, than fellows who enjoy sexual relations with pigs or heifers which they have legally purchased?
Please answer the question: your continued evasion is an admission that there is no higher moral standing for men who have sex with the excretory orifices of other men over men who have sex with animals.
Maybe next time you'll answer the question....first you hide behind the cirriculum word, then you hide becuase I was insensitive...
Huh?
Still not over your animal fetish yet?
When's the last time an animal ever said Yes? Or no? Or hell, anything at all?
bill .. i have to presume your post # 28 , is " straight " out of some bush-league format . sit-rep is entirely proper in his letter . you got some damn nerve coming here with that tone . they are queer's , and if you dont care for the term there's the door . having 2 business's to run , send me an e-mail,as i have zero time for some candy-assed mental midget .i assure you bill, i'll answer you . and no bill , i dont hire faggot's OR moderates .as for you sit-rep , your not alone, fired-up ! ben bolt
How do we find out if our schools have these books?
Walk into your child's school (do not let on why you are there) and check out both the library and health class. I found very sexually explicit pamphlets at a high school in my state. But I made the mistake of asking for pamphlets from my own local high school. They hid them till the dust settled. I'm not sure what we could actually "do" about it as most parents don't give a damn. Maybe the only thing conservatives can "do" is homeschool. If I had it to do over I certainly would.
What happened to the days when kids had to wait until marriage (or at least adulthood), and sublimated those powerful drives by using their physically best years to learn skills?
I was a teen in the 70s, when sex was everywhere and everything. What a waste of teen talent. Anybody can "do it." Sex should be put off, discussions of sex should be put off, and kids should be learning, doing, achieving, and fantasizing about sex LATER.
Allright...then scratch that one....what about the other two?
Thanks bud... ...but take it easy on Bill man...there are a lot of folk who I piss off around here. The guy was just trying to maintain an amount of class...
No! I don't get to decide the well being of the community. The established community is based on and revolves around the traditional family unit, which is well established in our American system. Thus, in balancing the interests of both the traditional family and Gay lifestyle, the Gay lifestyle is in CONFLICT with the absolute duties imposed by law to protect the social interests of PEACE, ORDER and well being of the COMMUNITY.
What? Are those marriage privleges that you get to eat your wife or have sex with her after her death?
What sort of twisted mind comes up with these things?
And, as you've been pestering bigsigh about, what does it have to do with the article?
The books shouldn't be an issue because public schools shouldn't be an issue. On a more realistic note, kids are going to figure it out; they've been doing it for years, through experimentation or just watching Daddy's videos.
California is the worst; then Hawaii. In Calif we have a pile of gay state legislators shoving everything down our throats. In Hawaii, the age of consent is 14 (FOURTEEN!!!). That's why the gay guys and lesbian gals like to vacation in Hawaii.
As I would say to my son every time I left the house "No rough housing!" Both you guys have enough to say when sticking to the points.
Good answer...
I liked it so much, I'll invite you next time along with the others. You got here kinda late.
Okay...
SR...
But how do we find out if our public schools have these books and how they're being distributed? Health ed teacher interviews? Librarian interviews?
Ask your kids, ask the kids in the neighborhood when they come over to visit. That's how I found out about three female teachers having affairs with high school boys AND the security guard smoking pot with the students. I took my kids out of that school.
I put the question to sit-rep which was meant for Big Sigh, mea culpa.
Hellish Mark, if a person may purchase, kill and eat a pig, what is the moral grounds for jailing a man for having sex with it prior to legally killing it? What does consent have to do with having sex with a pig which you may freely kill?
Please try to tackle the moral distinctions presented in #51, 62 and 68, Big Sigh is afraid to. Are you also?
MEDICAL CONSEQUENCES OF WHAT HOMOSEXUALS DO
Do You Really Know What Homosexuals Do!?
This is the Free Republic NOT the free gay bananna republic.
Maybe an independent weekly, in the area infiltrated by GLSEN, ought to publish selected quotes such as these from the recommended reading material. Then when GLSEN objects, some pivotal questions driven home to the readership (which will probably will have increased dramaticaly by then) in a well written editorial.
You could make a package for, say, however many weeks would be necessary for a good percentage of the public to be exposed. Submit it to a list of those weeklys.
Allyson Press, the largest homo publishing house, allows Bill Andriette, associated with NAMBLA, to write an essay for a book targeted to children and teens. What are some of Andriette's other writings? Here's another article from this sicko that Allyson Press thinks is a fine author for kids to be exposed to:
EXPLORING COPROPHILIA By Bill Andriette (The Guide, Febuary 1993) People have strong feelings about shit - some of the most visceral, most immediate feelings people have. Yet shit is almost never talked about seriously. For most of us, the subject is as secret, as forbidden, as homosexuality was when we were growing up. This silence can become a burning issue for people who have or discover erotic feelings around shit. As they explore and speak about what shit means, the rest of us can't help but be fascinated.
It has all the elements of sexual drama - shattering taboos, a pungent assault on the senses, and plenty of cozy warm wetness. Plus it involves rectum and anus, not just organs of elimination, but - for gay men especially - gateways to pleasure.
So why aren't more of us into shit play?
Nausea might have something to do with it. Even the most accomplished scat aficionados - people who for whom smearing, wallowing in, and swallowing excrement makes them happy as the proverbial pig - usually report that when they first tasted shit they threw up.
"Oh, it was a challenge!" recalls David, who is 38 and lives in Boston. "The first couple of times I got into mutual shit scenes, the minute I came I went running to the bathroom and puked. During the scene it was fine, but as soon as I came, the mentality wasn't there anymore, and the whole thing just grossed me out."
Even experienced scat lovers can find nausea at the border of enjoyment. "The goal of every true shit eater is to see haw much he can eat before he barfs," contend Rob, a 38-year-old Philadelphia lawyer.
"From the standpoint of pure taste, shit is bitter," says Neal, another Boston scat fan. "And of course you always have that odor wafting up your nose. The quality of the experience is such that after ten or 20 seconds, there's an almost automatic gag response."
Hardly glowing testimonials for shit-eating - coprophagy, if you want to get technical. But there's more to it, Neal insists, for' those prepared to brave this not-necessary safe (see sidebar) form of sexual hijinks. "Shit has another taste, which is psychological. There is an incredible connection that occurs when you are lying down on your back and there is a guy who your are very excited about standing over you, crouched down, holding his knees."
Neal continues. "He's got his anus pushed into your moth and he starts to defecate, he starts to push shit out of his hole. There is an amazing psychological joining that occurs. This place - the bowels, the sphincter, the asshole -has got a primeval, primitive connection to the most fundamental things inside a man. It's so goddamn intensely personal an sexual."
As much as from stimulating genitals, erotic pleasure comes from playing games with our minds. Sex fools around with one's sense of self, identity, control, and destiny. These are all issues for which shit is a running, if submerged, theme. The polymorphously perverse infant is pleasurably attuned to the tides of its bowels, their filling and emptying, tension and release. As babies, we bawl for food and defecate with blissful irresponsibility. Then civilisation imposes itself. Via the scolds and scowls of parents, the primitive joys of shit and piss are transformed into disgust. Thus, to make a long story short, are pleasure-seeking babies extruded into anxious, responsible, career-minded adults.
For most people, shit emerges from behind closed bathroom doors only in sickness or at the end or life. The shit of bedpans and Depends greases the passage from adulthood back into infant-like dependency, and finally, out of society entirely. We complete fleshly existence as the excrement of worms and microbes. As much as it is the end-product of the plants and animals we eat, shit is a symbol of demise.
With its starring role in the drama of the self's origins and ends, it's no wonder that shit is as suffused with erotic potential as it is smelly, and that scat lovers wax poetic and mystical about excrement. David recalls he first ate shit as an initiate into a secret neighborhood club of fellow 12-year-old boys, the class of humans drunkest on ritual and magic. "Sharing shit is one of the most secret acts men have," relates Rob. "I've known guys who have actually thought of it as a sacrament."
Thought ya had the wrong guy.
Excellent idea! However, when I wrote an editorial for the Seattle Time, primarily doing nothing but direct quotes, they refused to print it because they were a "family newspaper". In fact Michelle Malkin, who was on staff then, tried to print the quotes in an op-ed and they wouldn't let her.
I believe it Sparky. What you posted sounds in line with other Andriette stuff I have read. People have lost their minds! Public school administrators have decided to allow this individual and others of his kind access to children rather than stand up to the homosexual mafia.
Homosexualism" can only grow through indoctrination and recruitment of the young and the wounded in society.
My nephew was seduced in high school by a 'friend', and says now that he wishes he could kill the guy. After that episode, my nephew felt like he must be homosexual so he left home and immersed himself in the 'life' in New Orleans. Well 20 years later, he's back home and HIV positive. He regrets ever having given in to the lifestyle, but he felt so guilty and confused after the first time, he didn't have the strength to fight it. He was very vulnerable because my brother and his wife had divorced when he and his brother were very young, and she had remarried then divorced, and dated several men since then. My nephew had no knowledge of a normal relationship, so when he had someone offer him some companionship, he was sucked right into it, which was the plan of the seducer all along. And you know that boy was probably initiated by some adult looking for thrills.
It is so sad that teens are being recruited into the homosexual lifestyle. Their estimated lifespan drops drastically as a member of the group, whether men or women, because of the prevalence of AIDS and virulent veneral diseases. And the notion of this 'happy life' is a crock. The rate of suicide is very high, and it does not have to do with their rejection by society or their families. Even in areas of the country in which homosexuality is accepted, they just cannot live with themselves because deep down they know it is WRONG! It is not a natural lifestyle; if it were, why would they have to be out recruiting, and forcing society to accept them at every turn?! Most folks know that the behavior is wrong, but they do not want to be considered backward or 'right wingers' so they won't speak out. It is just as Justice Thomas said, they don't want to rock the boat, and as a result, our kids are put in grave danger both physically, psychologically, and spiritually!
Coprophilia may be almost the most sick, twisted, filthy and perverted fetish imaginable, but really it is not so far along the perversion continuum from "standard" homo anal sodomy practice.
Just one more tiny step on the road to hell for the new sensation seeking homo pervert.
"And who are we to judge? Why it's all quite normal, really...." said the grade school 'gay counselor' to the nine year old boy, patting his knee and smiling most charmingly.
bttt
Thanks for the flag.
Enlighten Us Ohhhld Master!
bttt
Thank you for posting your response. I only hope that others will read it and see the truths that you have stated so eloquently. If you can get him to write his story, it would be really helpful. There are many avenues that he could be published in.
You are right. A good number of boys and girls who have been seduced or molested by a homosexual or experimented with homosexuality DO NOT have homosexual tendencies. For these teens, and even for children who do have homosexual tendencies, the aftermath of a first encounter is quite frightening.
For the most part there is no one around to affirm their heterosexuality or to help them deal with their sexual perversion. The only people allowed to counsel them at school are homosexual advocates. Private counselors are having their license taken if they counsel people out of homosexuality. Indeed when we wanted a counselor placed in Seattle schools, along side the pro-homosexual counselor, that would offer a different perspective, that would reveal the physical dangers of homosexual sex, encourage heterosexuality and encourage children to NOT label themselves homosexual prematurely, administrators would not allow it.
Why? They said that if they allowed such a counselor, that it would violate homosexuals civil rights!
Even homosexual researchers agree that when a teenager delays labeling him or herself homosexual or lesbian, until college age or later, they greatly decrease their chance of committing suicide. Yet these people, who say they care for children, want to label kids homosexual as young as elementary school! The real agenda here is recruitment, get em young, confuse em young, pervert em young.
I might mention that you did not give examples of extra or special rights
I don't have to give you examples. The Declaration of Independence asserts that all men are created equal. I've already told you that the Fourteenth Amendment states that no state shall "deny to any person within its jurisdiction equal protection of the laws" (excerpt).
No special favors are conferred to homosexuals since it would CONFLICT with EQUALITY. All special rights are arbitrary and extra-Constitutional.
Like it or not we have absolute duties which are imposed by law to protect the the social interests in the peace, order and well being of the community in general. The traditional American family is firmly rooted in our heritage. Obviously, you were born out of a heterosexual relationship, which serves to prove my point in full.
Telling me that you have special rights is absurd and contradicts your statement of EQUALITY.
your mo...post #111.
# 106!
# 106!
"Gay Lesbian Straight Education Network (GLSEN) Recommended Reading For Teenagers"
# 106!
bttt
bttt
big...appearances of good---100% Proud of yourself?
sigh...the reality of evil(no morals)--Proud of yourself?
Another 100%!!
Straight A's!!
Kinda the definition of SATAN!
bttt
204 Posted on 11/16/2001 11:55:10 PST by EdReform
205 Posted on 11/16/2001 12:05:25 PST by culpeper
Either that, or he had a tiny one, your body reacted as though "Claude" were a woman, and your warped mind did the rest.
206 Posted on 11/18/2001 11:16:08 PST by NoDemocratsIn2000
And double sick!
207 Posted on 02/18/2002 12:05:20 PST by Salvation
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