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Kristopher Kime never knew what hit him.
Jostling with close friends in the increasingly violent crowd at Mardi Gras in Pioneer Square on Tuesday night, he saw a young woman knocked to the pavement by a group of violent attackers. He bent over to help her to her feet, fearing she would be trampled.
That's when someone from behind smashed a bottle into the back of Kime's head. He crumpled to the pavement, unconscious. Several attackers set upon him wildly, kicking him in the head before moving on.
Kime's family and friends say he was murdered amid the mayhem of Fat Tuesday.
Detectives yesterday said they're getting closer to catching the attackers, who they said may turn out to be some of the same men responsible for dozens of assaults on partygoers at the Fat Tuesday celebration. But investigators said they need the public's help, and they still need to pore through piles of photographs and videotapes of the violence.
Kime's family has given detectives his distinctive blue Notre Dame hat - with a shamrock in the logo - in the hope they can pick him out in videos and possibly see who attacked him.
"It's going to be tough, but not impossible," police spokesman Clem Benton said. "We're going to need the public's help on this one. We have some really good video, but sometimes having video is not enough. We need to find out who the individuals in the video are."
A gentle, fun-loving athlete
Kime's family and friends yesterday pleaded for justice for the gentle, handsome, fun-loving athlete who dreamed of becoming a radio deejay.
"I just don't know why anyone would do that to him," Kime's father, Ken, of Kent, said yesterday. "He wasn't fighting. He was there to have a good time with the friends that he loved. These people are guilty of killing my son. ... they need to pay."
Kime's trip to Pioneer Square began as he met up with eight other friends, including his close pals Jodall Mattson and Oak Boulter-Maher.
"When you're in your early 20s and you know there's a fun place to be, that women are taking their tops off, and you have raging hormones, you have a draw to go down there," his father said. "I think young kids think about the risks, but I think they think they're invincible at that age."
Kime went to Evergreen High School in southwest Seattle, where he was a four-year letterman in soccer, a striker and a goalie, and the team captain his senior year.
He was so well-liked that school administrators asked him to help them pick the school's new soccer coach.
"What was so great about him was his attitude: He was a leader on and off the field," said Burt Pride, Evergreen's athletic director. "He was just the kind of kid you want a whole team of."
And Kime had a quick wit. He made friends in a flash and kept them.
"Kris was wonderful," Boulter-Maher said. "I've known him since eighth grade. He was always funny and being a clown."
After high school, Kime attended Highline Community College. He had worked at the Tukwila Eagle Hardware store for a long time and recently was working road-construction jobs.
He loved music, especially West Coast thrasher punk. He tattooed the logo of his favorite group, MXPX, on his shoulder. He moved in with buddies in a house in Auburn, and he went to Seattle to see all-ages concerts as often as he could.
Kime tried to help
But as familiar as they may have been with Pioneer Square, there was no comparison to Tuesday night. And it got ugly fast, his friends said.
"We were in our own little group, and fighting was breaking out everywhere," Mattson said. "I saw a girl being pulled around by her hair until she was knocked down, and somebody was kicking her. It was disgusting, a whole group of people beating up one person."
Kime tried to help. Mattson and Boulter-Maher tried to help someone else. Suddenly the women heard hysterical screams. Mattson pushed through the crowd and looked down.
At first she didn't recognize the unconscious man lying in the street. Then someone turned him over and propped up his head. It was Kime.
"I tried to stay calm," Mattson said, her voice cracking. "I thought he would be all right."
Hard to get help
But the melee made it impossible for an aid crew to get to the scene. It was 1 a.m. at First and Yesler, the height of the Mardi Gras frenzy. Police later said they were being assaulted by the crowd, which was catapulting bottles and other debris at them. The fire department said it couldn't respond directly to rescue Kime because the scene couldn't be secured by police.
"We decided to pick him up and move him," Mattson said. At Second and Yesler, "All these cops on bikes came and made us all stand back," she said. It was 1:15 a.m.
A few off-duty firefighters arrived and helped carry Kime to a nearby police car.
A police sergeant drove Kime to the Seattle Fire Department headquarters at Second and Main. Then an ambulance took him to Harborview Medical Center.
It was 1:44 a.m., according to police reports.
By the time Kime's father got to the hospital an hour later, his first-born son was all but brain dead. The doctors told him that there was little chance his boy would ever regain consciousness.
But by dawn, medicine had relieved the swelling in Kris Kime's brain. His eyes moved reflexively. He seemed to be fighting with the ventilator.
"But the doctor gave me no hope," Ken Kime said. "He said, `It's not good.' They pronounced him dead at 7:21 p.m. on Wednesday."
Many questions
Ken Kime now wonders who killed his son, and why.
Witnesses said the man who hit Kime from behind was black, that he may have been part of a roving group of young black men and women who police say attacked many white partygoers in the crowd. But police spokesman Benton yesterday cautioned against concluding that the attackers were motivated by race.
"It would be pure speculation," Benton said. "Right now we're simply investigating this as criminal activity. If we can apprehend suspects and interview witnesses, and if something emerges, we'll look at it."
Ken Kime said he doesn't even want to discuss the race of his son's killer until he knows who killed him and why.
"Whoever it was might have been someone who was just mad at the world and was venting his anger," he said.
Kime also wonders if his son's death could have been prevented.
"I have mixed emotions because I know the crowd was out of control," he said. "But it was a city-sanctioned function, and ... they should have protected the people in the crowd. But I try not to blame them. It certainly wasn't the police who wielded the bottle."
Kris Kime's organs have been harvested for transplant.
"It's comforting that a totally senseless life-taking will save lives and extend lives," said his stepmother, Kimberlee Kime.
And his father said he hopes that Seattle might learn from his son's slaying.
"If it could somehow get across to young people who are rioting that it's absolutely senseless, that's what I want it to do," he said. "It's a black eye for Seattle. And I don't see the point. I don't understand the point."
Seattle Times columnist Nicole Brodeur contributed to this report.
When people are not held responsible for their actions, this kind of stuff happens. We as a society need to bring personal responsibility back. Stop finding excuses for bad behavior and hold individuals responsible. Now.
REMEMBER...This, and all the others, ARE NOT HATE CRIMES!!!
FMCDH
Just because we have film of black kids attacking people, we can't do anything about it because that would be racial profiling. These blacks attacked whites because they were white. This can't be considered a hate crime (it doesn't "rise to the level of" hate crime) because a white didn't commit it.
The film coverage of the violent attack on a young white lady was dramatic but I have heard no talking heads comment!
Witnesses said the man who hit Kime from behind was black, that he may have been part of a roving group of young black men and women who police say attacked many white partygoers in the crowd. But police spokesman Benton yesterday cautioned against concluding that the attackers were motivated by race.
"It would be pure speculation," Benton said. "Right now we're simply investigating this as criminal activity. If we can apprehend suspects and interview witnesses, and if something emerges, we'll look at it."
Ken Kime said he doesn't even want to discuss the race of his son's killer until he knows who killed him and why.
"Whoever it was might have been someone who was just mad at the world and was venting his anger," he said.
Consider how this would read if the races were reversed.
Witnesses said the man who hit Kime, [who is black] from behind was [white], that he may have been part of a roving group of young [white] men and women who police say attacked many [black] partygoers in the crowd. Police spokesman Benton yesterday cautioned against concluding that the attackers were motivated by [anything other than racial hatred].
"It would be [ignoring the obvious]," Benton said. "[Right now we're investigating this as a hate crime.]"
[This part would never be in the article]
Ken Kime said he doesn't even want to discuss the race of his son's killer until he knows who killed him and why.
"Whoever it was might have been someone who was just mad at the world and was venting his anger," he said.
Bump to you Frank.
. . "Whoever it was might have been someone who was just mad at the world and was venting his anger," he said." . . .
This kind of senseless violence is repeated daily by ANGRY people. It may not always lead to murder. Nontheless, there is not a day that goes by that some sort of violence, triggered by ANGER, happens in our schools, on our highways, in the work-place, or, at home.
Why is there so much ANGER, HOSTILITY, and RAGE in our society today?
Psalm 1:1
How blessed is the man who does not walk in the counsel of the wicked, nor stand in the path of sinners, nor sit in the seat of scoffers!
Prov 1:7-33
The fear of the LORD is the beginning of knowledge; fools despise wisdom and instruction.
Hear, my son, your father's instruction, and do not forsake your mother's teaching;
Indeed, they are a graceful wreath to your head, and ornaments about your neck.
My son, if sinners entice you, do not consent.
If they say, "Come with us, let us lie in wait for blood, let us ambush the innocent without cause;
Let us swallow them alive like Sheol, even whole, as those who go down to the pit;
We shall find all {kinds} of precious wealth, we shall fill our houses with spoil;
Throw in your lot with us, we shall all have one purse,"
My son, do not walk in the way with them. Keep your feet from their path,
For their feet run to evil, and they hasten to shed blood.
Indeed, it is useless to spread the net in the eyes of any bird;
But they lie in wait for their own blood; they ambush their own lives.
So are the ways of everyone who gains by violence; it takes away the life of its possessors.
Wisdom shouts in the street, she lifts her voice in the square;
At the head of the noisy {streets} she cries out; at the entrance of the gates in the city, she utters her sayings:
"How long, O naive ones, will you love simplicity? And scoffers delight themselves in scoffing, and fools hate knowledge?
"Turn to my reproof, behold, I will pour out my spirit on you; I will make my words known to you.
"Because I called, and you refused; I stretched out my hand, and no one paid attention;
And you neglected all my counsel, and did not want my reproof;
I will even laugh at your calamity; I will mock when your dread comes,
When your dread comes like a storm, and your calamity comes on like a whirlwind, when distress {and} anguish come on you.
"Then they will call on me, but I will not answer; they will seek me diligently, but they shall not find me,
Because they hated knowledge, and did not choose the fear of the LORD.
"They would not accept my counsel, they spurned all my reproof.
"So they shall eat of the fruit of their own way, and be satiated with their own devices.
"For the waywardness of the naive shall kill them, and the complacency of fools shall destroy them.
"But he who listens to me shall live securely, and shall be at ease from the dread of evil."
Without sounding heartless, because I'm not, but if this young man had stayed home he might still be alive.
Why? Why do the Heathan Rage?
Is this young WHITE man any less dead that the Black man who was drug behind a pickup truck in Texas....Was there any LESS HATE involved.
A nation was outraged over the Texas murder...but will not shed a tear for one fallen White boy murdered while acting gallantly.
Is one life any less important than than another...does skin color justify anything ?
This was a hate crime, make no mistake. Black thugs, acting on impulses of hatred, and unrestrained by conscience or fear of the police...murdered a US citizen while attacking and robbing others at will.
THAT'S THE STORY, THIS IS A HATE CRIME !
Lets not forget that crimes against whites, by blacks are far more frequent than reported. These latest black attacks should waken America to the fact that society isn't getting any benefits by coddeling these young predators.
Everyday my tolerance deminishes...one of these days these thugs will encounter the "wrong Whiteman"...
But police spokesman Benton yesterday cautioned against concluding that the attackers were motivated by race.
Were the the perps attacking black people also?
If so, the attack was not racially motivated.
If they only attacked non-blacks, it was.
(This isn't rocket science)
I don't see them mention the fact that the police were
not allowed to stop the beatings for hours that night.
For whatever reason.
Because they're heathen.
Here we go again with the hate crime jazz. Ok. If a black man decides to draw a name out of the hat and beat him up, he is 5 times more likely to draw the name of a white than a black. If a white man does the same, he is 5 times more likely to draw the name of a white than a black. That's because there are 5 times as many whites as blacks in this country. Therefore, when a black beats up a white, it may be a hate crime, but the odds are probably 5-1 against. If a white beats up a black it may be a hate crime or not, but it is more likely to be a hate crime by about a 5-1 margin.
When liberals control the police, you get WTO and this latest shame -- death & viloence in the street. Two top stories were the earthquake and this death.
This is what I was going to say so I'll copy it.
Seattle Mayor Paul Schell killed Kristopher Kime and should be punished accordingly. Never again will I tolerate liberals.
And if He** had ice water people would be a lot more comfortable there. If everyone stays home to avoid having any accident nothing bad would happen anywhere, right?
Here we go again with the hate crime jazz. Ok. If a black man decides to draw a name out of the hat and beat him up, he is 5 times more likely to draw the name of a white than a black. If a white man does the same, he is 5 times more likely to draw the name of a white than a black. That's because there are 5 times as many whites as blacks in this country. Therefore, when a black beats up a white, it may be a hate crime, but the odds are probably 5-1 against. If a white beats up a black it may be a hate crime or not, but it is more likely to be a hate crime by about a 5-1 margin.
You actually think that black people beat up people by drawing names out of a hat? That's the most racist comment I've ever seen made against blacks.
Without sounding heartless, because I'm not, but if this young man had stayed home he might still be alive.
I'm loading up on food now and never leaving my house again. Thanks for the tip.
Interesting that those that were willing to risk their lives to get this boy help were off-duty firefighters.
What a senseless tragedy!
Whoever did this thing, regardless of color, should be punished to the full extent of the law!
Sometimes you just need to stay home. What I'm saying, dear "just another joe", is that you must know what you are getting into. Hang around with trash and you're going to get dirty. It is pretty much common knowledge that these Mardi Gras parties can quickly turn violent. I'm not attempting to justify the violent act, nor do I think less of this man's life, but we need to use our noggins and stay away from violent people and events.
I'm not attempting to justify the violent act, nor do I think less of this man's life, but we need to use our noggins and stay away from violent people and events.
I didn't think that you were. But anyplace can become violent real fast. Think about the office shootings and school shootings.
I agree that some events have a better chance of turning violent, however if I let my life be ruled by fear then I may as well pack it in and give up.
Witnesses said the man who hit Kime from behind was black, that he may have been part of a roving group of young black men and women who police say attacked many white partygoers in the crowd. But police spokesman Benton yesterday cautioned against concluding that the attackers were motivated by race.
"It would be pure speculation," Benton said. "Right now we're simply investigating this as criminal activity. If we can apprehend suspects and interview witnesses, and if something emerges, we'll look at it."
Yeah, sure. I wonder what'll take to make white liberals (and, for that matter, other non-black liberals) to realize who their real enemies are.
"I'm loading up on food and never leaving my house again..."
Oh please, you freepers are usually pretty sensible, but the only response to my posting is this kind of pointless garbage.
I guess the point you wish to make is that if a fellow can't go party his brains out, he might just as well stay home and get fat. Sounds like we might need to expand our minds a little.
Sometimes you just need to stay home
Prov 22:3
A prudent man foreseeth the evil, and hideth himself: but the simple pass on, and are punished.
I agree with you that our lives must not be ruled by fear, but back to my original point for posting the biblical text: fathers must wisely instruct their children where and where not to play. This venue is not the wisest place to play. Don't you agree?
My deepest sympathy to the Kime family.
It may be small comfort, but immature though he might have been, he died expressing one of the noblest elements of human nature. He was real man.
Yes, dear Guerito, that is well stated. Thanks.
Ken Kime said he doesn't even want to discuss the race of his son's killer until he knows who killed him and why.
The race of the killer is irrelevant.
Acquiescing to that type of animal behavior due to misguided attempts at understanding, or BS PC, just assures our long painful path to self destruction.
Concerning the "painful path to self-destruction."
You are right. The moral high ground can never be held by those who make judgments on the basis of outward appearance.
As James, the inspired writer said, they are "judges with evil motives." His words are relevant. If justice isn't color-blind, it is superficial and evil. What do you think?
O'Reilly on FOX last night had an attorney speaking about how the Philly P.D. let the gangs run rampant and waited until most of the rioting was over before attempting some crowd control. The word is that the the line officers were reluctant to move in when the word went out over their radios that the same news crew that ambushed them over the summer was up in a helicopter filming the riot.
The race of the killer is irrelevant. Acquiescing to that type of animal behavior due to misguided attempts at understanding, or BS PC, just assures our long painful path to self destruction.
Excellent point...if the perps aren't held accountable, by BOTH the justice system AND the media, I'm afraid they are going to assume that they have "carte blanche" to commit even MORE acts of violence of this nature. I just want fair play...if race is an issue when a black American is killed, then the SAME STANDARD should apply here. Criminals, no matter what their race, must understand that they will be held accountable for their actions.
fathers must wisely instruct their children
where and where not to play. This venue is not the wisest place to play. Don't you agree?
I will agree that this venue was not the wisest, but it sounds like this young man was over the age of 18 by a few years.
His father probably had very little say over where the son was going that night. And being hit with a bottle while trying to help a woman up from the ground, maybe he was in the right place to keep the woman from dying. Who can say?
Without sounding heartless, because I'm not, but if this young man had stayed home he might still be alive.
Blaming the victim?
This young man did not have to stay home to be alive. HE WAS KILLED BECAUSE HE TRIED TO HELP A WOMAN UP WHO WAS ABOUT TO BE TRAMPLED. HE WAS KILLED FOR DOING THE RIGHT THING AND HELPING SOMEONE ELSE. IF HE HAD NOT HELPED THE WOMAN HE WOULD NOT HAVE BEEN KILLED.
Jostling with close friends in the increasingly violent crowd at Mardi Gras in Pioneer Square on Tuesday night, he saw a young woman knocked to the pavement by a group of violent attackers. He bent over to help her to her feet, fearing she would be trampled.
My City Council recently enacted a change to the city stautes which reclassifies most misdemeanors as Class 3 felonies if motivated by hate for a classified group. I spoke at the Council Meeting where the Bill was presented for second reading and a vote. I asked:
"If I spraypaint the word "homophile" on a homosexual's car, is that a hate crime?
If a homosexual spraypaints the word "homophobe" on my car, is THAT a hate crime?"
The response was, since a White, protestant, heterosexual, married, employed, upper-income, Anglo-descended, English-Speaking, educated, able-bodied male cannot claim membership in any [under the statute] protected class of citizens, I have committed dejure a hate crime and the gay person hasn't. A defacto examination of the crime is problematic, but is rendered irrelvant by the Statute.
Clearly, rational thought has nothing to do with the classification of a crime as motivated by hate - Hate Crimes are defined by statute and we were left out of the affected classes.
The people of liberal Seattle have learned a valuable lesson. You are responsible for your own safety.
... immature though he might have been, he died expressing one of the noblest elements of human nature. He was real man.
Well said.
Not wanting to be labeled a racist or any other PC name, I will play it safe and comment only, golly, gee whiz, darn.
"The people of liberal Seattle have learned a valuable lesson. You are responsible for your own safety. "
Would be interesting if Sarah Brady, Senator Dianne Feinstein and Senator Schumer could be placed in the middle of these "groups of citizens."
"Detectives yesterday said they're getting closer to catching the attackers, who they said may turn out to be some of the same men responsible for dozens of assaults on partygoers at the Fat Tuesday celebration."
Typical inner-city predators. They won't be found.
Why is there so much ANGER, HOSTILITY, and RAGE in our society today?
I will take a guess..."Reverend" J. Jackson?
Detectives yesterday said they're getting closer to catching the attackers, who they said may turn out to be some of the same men responsible for dozens of assaults on partygoers at the Fat Tuesday celebration.
On local Seattle news last night, films were released showing menacing black thug with huge bushy hair attacking a white fellow without provocation. That thug has been arrested. They also showed film of crowd around Kime's body after he went down. You can be sure the incident is captured on surveillance video and that the killer will be caught. There were many, many witnesses.
News story is waffling about killer being one of "the same men responsible for assaults" and not coming right out and saying he was part of roving black gang. But that does not upset me at this point. When killer is caught, all will be revealed.
This is such BULL$.!T!!!!! THIS was PURELY a RACIST ACT!!!! BLACKS kickin the crap out of WHITES! NOW KILLING!!!! I hope the Father of this young man gets his REVENGE! When the police find these ANIMALS.......he should be allowed to crack a bottle over all of their heads, STOMP and KICK THEIR bodies until THEY'RE DEAD!!!! THAT'S JUSTICE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!( and yes, the samething if the roles were reversed!!!!)
It wouldn't surprise me to see a lot of Million Moms looking rather sheepish right now. It's all fun and games until someone gets hurt. We have a young man killed by a mob while the police stood around doing nothing. And not a gun in sight.
Now I know why Jim is pulling these threads.
That's right...HIDE!!!!!
Would love to see the city redeem itself in part by offering up rewards for ID's of the perps. (say $10,000) Then have police chief doing voice-over while the pertinent video is shown on all four local channels' news. There were so many people with video cameras down there and news coverage showed some taping the assaults while standing right next to the melee. Offer immunity from good-samaritan laws for the videotapers if they lead to conviction.
I'd also like to see a "Reign-In the Violence" campaign at the next large gathering (Seafair, Bumbershoot) where violence might occur (likely). A mini-orientation for volunteers in the crowd (big, bouncer-types) who would accept donated gift-certificates from local restaurants and pubs to stay sober and team-up with others to actually rope the wandering cheap-shot, cold-cocking bastahds. It would be pretty easy for even two guys to clothes-line and wrap up multiple perps in close proximity.
And, no I'm not talking about deputizing Hell's Angels, a la Altamont.
And when a group of 100 black thugs go into a crowd and only pick white targets to beat up, that's random too, right?
Not wanting to be labeled a racist or any other PC name, I will play it safe and comment only, golly, gee whiz, darn.
LOL....
Actually no, that would be revenge, not justice.
EL PASO, Texas –– A food fight escalated into a brawl involving 400 students Thursday, injuring some and resulting in 13 arrests, students and police said.
Some students at Andress High School said the fight was racially motivated.
Police arrested 13 people, and some students were treated for minor injuries at the scene in northeast El Paso. Two girls were transported to hospitals with minor injuries.
A police statement said 11 students have been charged with rioting, one possession of a prohibited weapon – a knife – and one with disorderly conduct.
Police responded to reports of a fight about 12:20 p.m. and the situation escalated after some students refused to return to class, said police Cmdr. Sylvia Aguilar, who was at the scene.
By 1 p.m., police had surrounded the area and closed a road next to the school while a police helicopter circled the area. More than 100 El Paso law officers responded to the riot.
School officials canceled classes for the day after order was restored.
According to the Texas Education Agency, the school is 55 percent Hispanic, 27 percent white and 16 percent black. One student said taunts were exchanged among black and Hispanic students.
I saw the Seattle pictures and what I saw on network tv which is of questionable reliabilty is that the crowd was almost totally white. So a black person beating someone up was more than likely to be beating up a white. Actually if a white were beating someone up, the odds are it would be a white in the seattle crowd scene that I saw.
>>Everyday my tolerance deminishes...one of these days these thugs will encounter the "wrong Whiteman"...<<
I know exactly what you mean. I exceeded my personal limit of tolerance and excuse-making several years ago.
Having said that,IMHO it is ALMOST as much the fault of the whites who stood around and watched the blacks do this. You KNOW there were more whites than minorities there,yet the minotiries controlled the street. They do this because too many whites are not just afraid of them physically,but afraid of being called a "racist".
My first experience with crap like this came on my first trip to San Francisco in 1965. I was in my uniform on Market Street,and had a black guy come up and start running his mouth at me for no reason at all,other than me not being black. I THINK his opening line was something like "Give me some money,you honkey MF'er!". You should have seen the look on his face when he heard my southern accent and my offer to snatch his eyeball out and feed it to him if he was hungry. He got REAL quite,REAL quick. I am guessing he was used to running into white Californians who were terrifed of blacks after the Watts riots,and he didn't know how to deal with one who wasn't afraid of him.
>>I guess the point you wish to make is that if a fellow can't go party his brains out, he might just as well stay home and get fat. Sounds like we might need to expand our minds a little.<<
If you were to expand your own mind a little,maybe you would understand the point better. ANY citizen or visitor to this country of whatever race should AUTOMATICALLY PRESUME they have the right to go to any public place at any time of the day or night without being attacked.
ANY attacker who goes out to ply his trade on the innocents of society should AUTOMATICALLY PRESUME somebody,be it the police or civic-minded bystanders,is gonna thump his melon at a MINIMUM when he is caught.
In other words,you and modern-day society have it backwards. It's the criminals who are supposed to be the ones living in fear,not the innocent citizens.
That's why we need Concelal-Carry Laws. Criminals will think twice if the citizen might be armed.
>>Typical inner-city predators. They won't be found.<<
Sure they will. You can bet this won't be their first contacts with the law,or their last. The police will either find a photo of them doing the attack and identify them from the photo match with their mug shots,or they will arrest one of the stompers "bros" for something else,and he will turn in the stompers for a reduced sentence.
It's just a matter of time.
Teens Given Life in Prison; Racism is Not Only a White on Black Phenomenon
Moments later, outside the courthouse, Hall's parents confronted the rape victim and two other women who had just stood before the judge to hear the sentence being imposed.
"I want to hug my son," Bonnie Hall shouted, before turning to the three women and yelling, "All this for three white pieces of meat."
Please contact the very culpable Mayor Paul Schell at his office:
1 (206) 684-4000
I told his office secretary (politely ) that he should RESIGN!
Therefore, when a black beats up a white, it may be a hate crime, but the odds are probably 5-1 against. If a white beats up a black it may be a hate crime or not, but it is more likely to be a hate crime by about a 5-1 margin.
That assumes (among other things) that the rate at which individual blacks and whites commit random violence is the same.
If such an approach is to work at all (doubtful), what you have to do is compare the (per capita) ratio of black-on-black violence to black-on-white violence to the ratio of white-on-white violence to white-on-black violence. This still assumes that there are no other motivations for violence that sharply differ between the populations, but it does correct for the difference in the overall rate of violence in each population.
Excerpted from the P-I article:
Police Chief Gil Kerlikowske and Mayor Paul Schell defended police tactics at a news conference yesterday, saying the alcohol-fueled Mardi Gras crowds were too large and unruly to control at first.
"I think we moved in at the proper time, given the size of the crowd and their mob mentality," Kerlikowske said. "Every police decision in this situation is that we're damned if we do and damned if we don't."
Police had been criticized about moving in too quickly when violence erupted during prior Mardi Gras celebrations Friday and Saturday. Some onlookers complained that riot-gear-clad police incited the weekend crowds.
"We had our police in an untenable situation, and public safety was at risk," Schell said. "On Friday and Saturday night, police were criticized for going in too soon and perhaps triggering the riot. And on (Fat Tuesday), some criticized them for going in too late. This was a no-win situation."
Police Officers Guild President Mike Edwards commended Kerlikowske for taking full responsibility for how the riot was handled. But Edwards said the guild is conducting its own inquiry about department tactics and strategies. "There's been a general feeling among our officers that they were held back," Edwards said. "I understand that this is a tough call. You don't want to put officers in harm's way, but what you're there to do is protect the public's safety. And a lot of officers are frustrated that they may have been kept from doing that."
During the Fat Tuesday riot, 21 people were arrested on various charges ranging from weapons violations and assault to reckless endangerment and rioting.
Two of those arrested on felony charges appeared during bail hearings at the King County Jail yesterday. Bail was set at $10,000 for a Seattle man who is facing a rioting charge for brandishing a handgun.
Other arrests are expected. Yesterday, police collared a 19-year-old Shoreline man on suspicion of rioting after reviewing videotape and photographs taken early Wednesday.
Police have set up a Mardi Gras task force and are seeking help from the public to provide information, videotape or photos of criminal behavior that may help them make other arrests. A tip line has also been set up: 206-233-3896.
ARREST LOG
Police have made 22 arrests so far in connection with the Fat Tuesday mayhem in Pioneer Square.
Here is a breakdown:
Assault: 6
Carrying dangerous weapon: 2
Reckless endangerment: 1
Obstructing police: 4
Interfering with police: 1
Rioting: 2
Concealed weapon: 1
Theft: 2
Other: 3
Yeah, we moved in in time, after only 1 young man was dead...
Bonnie Hall shouted, before turning to the three women and yelling, "All this for three white pieces of meat."
My my. I'm shocked. That sounds like a racist comment from a black female. But surely I'm mistaken, for that can never happen. Big Brother told me so. Big Brother is my friend.
This is a no-brainer. I say we find the perps, line 'em up against a brick wall, and make each one "eat" a 12-gauge.
And no, I'm not kidding.
The obvious fact is that all violent crimes are hate crimes. This obviously was. I saw footage of a group of white people seemingly randomly beating the hell out of other White people in some hell-hole of a city somewhere across this great land, on that "holiday" so pleasing to our Maker. Those attacks were also obviously "hate crimes."
Just goes to prove, "hate crime" laws are really just laws against thought - a dangerous thing indeed.
Too bad Seattle doesn't have a concealed-carry law for law-abiding citizens, though. Then there would be a chance that we would all know who these killers were, and I stress WERE.
KVI 570 radio station just announced that they are offering $1,000 reward for the arrest of the person that committed this murder. They are also asking for the public to please contribute to this reward.
Too bad Seattle doesn't have a concealed-carry law for law-abiding citizens, though. Then there would be a chance that we would all know who these killers were, and I stress WERE.
From what I understand the entire state is concealed-carry. One of our clients is a holster maker and he used to have a map of the entire U.S. indicating which states were concealed carry. Your state either allows concealment of a handgun or it doesn't.
You have to have a license to carry concealed.