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Craig Brinkley, a 33-year-old apprentice machinist in Sterling Heights, Mich., has found compelling evidence of a cover-up that should force the reopening of the investigation into the death of former White House deputy counsel Vincent W. Foster Jr. for the third time. Having studied all the evidence in the Foster case, he believed there were a lot of things in the investigations conducted by the U.S. Park Police, special prosecutor Robert B. Fiske Jr. and independent counsel Kenneth W. Starr that didn't add up.
One of them was the 1913 black .38 caliber Colt Army Special revolver found under Foster's hand and partially under his right thigh. All the official investigations have assumed that it belonged to Foster, disregarding strong evidence to the contrary. Until Foster's widow, Lisa, succumbing to pressure from Fiske's FBI agents, said that the black gun they were showing her looked like the silver gun she had brought to Washington, no one in the family had identified the gun as Foster's. That nonsensical statement was embraced without question by Ken Starr and his investigators. The Park Police asked the BATF's National Tracking Center to trace the gun. The report showed no owners in the 80 years since it was shipped to a hardware store in Seattle.
Craig Brinkley came up with the idea of submitting a FOIA request to the National Criminal Interstate Computer System Administration (NCIC) for the records of any trace requests for this gun made prior to Foster's death. That would reveal if the weapon had ever been reported stolen or was one of the many guns that the police seize from criminals and keep in their storage lockers.
If the gun had been reported stolen, there would be a record of its ownership. If it had been seized by law enforcement officers who then checked with NCIC to see if it had been stolen, the request would show that it was in their possession at the time the request was made. By law only law enforcement agencies can query the NCIC computers, and it is illegal for them to do so as a favor to anyone else. This means that if searches were requested on the gun found under Foster's hand, it was in the possession of some law enforcement agency, not Vincent Foster.
Craig Brinkley hit pay dirt. Six months after submitting his request, he received a letter signed by William C. Temple, informing him that there had been four requests for searches on the gun he had identified. One was on the night of Foster's death, July 20, 1993. There were three others, all in 1993. Two of them were in March, within four days of each other, and one on April 29.
The question is what law enforcement agency made three requests for searches of the NCIC database in March-April 1993, before Foster's death. Marilyn S. Walton of the Justice Department's Access Integrity Unit rejected NewsMax.com's request for that information, saying that making it public could be helpful to criminals. In the Foster case, refusing to reveal who requested the searches is what is helpful to criminals.
Unless the law was broken by those who made the queries, we must conclude that the revolver found under Foster's hand had been in the possession of a law enforcement agency in March and April 1993. Vincent Foster certainly did not ask the NCIC three times in two months to trace the weapon. It seems reasonable to assume that whoever made those queries supplied the gun that was placed in Foster's hand to fake a suicide. If they were not involved in his murder, they probably know who was.
Withholding that information protects the criminals who murdered Vince Foster, transported his body to Fort Marcy Park on the afternoon of July 20, 1993, planted the .38 Colt Army Special under his hand with the barrel partially beneath his leg and succeeded in getting all the official investigators to treat it as a suicide.
Mr. Temple was worried about putting out information about who requested the searches because it might be used to hurt law enforcement. Craig Brinkley had anticipated there might be some such objection even to revealing that searches had been sought. He said in his first FOIA request: "The requested information, if found, will be of significant historical value and may be used to convince the proper authorities to reopen a closed homicide investigation." Mr. Temple has agreed that any law enforcement organization that helped disguise a homicide as a suicide deserves to be exposed, and it is to be hoped that he will act accordingly.
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On any other planet, in any other time this would be BIG NEWS and be on EVERY news show...not in these liberal United States.
these liberal United States
oh who right you are
these liberal United States
oh oh how right you are
Sounds like time for another FOIA request.
In my Forensic Science class we learned that one of the first things a forensic examiner does in an apparent suicide is to swab the victim's hands for gunpowder residue, which would be present if the victim discharged the gun himself. Has anyone ever heard whether forensic examiners did a hand swab on Vince Foster, and if so, what the result was?
bttt
Outstanding police work by a non-police citizen. Wonder how long before he has a fatal accident or gets killed in a random drive-by shooting?
my understanding is no evidence of powder on his hands
This article has got to be bumped, bumped and bymped some more!
"we must conclude that the revolver found under Foster's hand had been in the possession of a law enforcement agency in March and April 1993. Vincent Foster certainly did not ask the NCIC three times in two months to trace the weapon. It seems reasonable to assume that whoever made those queries supplied the gun that was placed in Foster's hand to fake a suicide. If they were not involved in his murder, they probably know who was.
Gotta be a way to find out which law enforcement agency made those requests!
“I have sworn upon the altar of God eternal hostility against every form of tyranny over the mind of man.”
[Thomas Jefferson, letter to Benjamin Rush, 1800.]
Scrap the Code! Scrap the IRS! Abolish the VLWC!
We will never be a truly FRee people so long as we have the income tax and the IRS.
ask klayman
It pleases me to know that there are many Senators and Congressmen and FBI agents - and perhaps a couple of others - who are peeing in their pants at this minute. It will thrill me to see truth and justice emerge from this murder.
my understanding is no evidence of powder on his hands
I am afraid your understanding in this regard is incorrect. Powder marks were observed on Foster's hands at the scene. Indeed, in the famous "gun-in-hand" Polaroid photo, powder can clearly been seen on Foster's right hand.
Verrrrrry interesting.
I hate to put a damper on this but it is possible that the FBI's background search is what was registering with the NCIC.
We have heard how that the Clinton Whitehouse was so slow to hand over information. The 2 March dates were nearly 3 months AFTER Vince Foster had started working in the Whitehouse.
The April search is more significant to me. BTW, I do NOT believe Vince Foster Committed suicide at Fort Marcy Park.
Get a member of congress to forward your FOI request to the NCIC. Finding out WHO (not just what agency but what person)made the request will tell you far more than the fact that the request were made.
"In my Forensic Science class we learned that one of the first things a forensic examiner does in an apparent suicide is to swab the victim's hands for gunpowder residue, which would be present if the victim discharged the gun himself. Has anyone ever heard whether forensic examiners did a hand swab on Vince Foster, and if so, what the result was?"
Such a swab was done on Foster's hands and they showerd that the fingers of both of Foster's hands were wrapped (or being held) around the barrel of a gun when it was fired. But, the positions revealed by the powder marks also prove that Foster himself could not have pulled the trigger with his hands in the position the powder traces indicate.
Likewise, the powder traces on the body also prove that the gun found with the body is not the one that inflicted the head wound, as the the type of powder granules found in the wound track did not match those found in the gun itself.
This story misses one important detail. The gun found with Foster's body was made from parts of two different guns, with the frame serial number tracing back to the Seattle gun, but a differing serial number on the barrel belonging to a completly different gun. It would be interesting to see if someone was running NCIC checks on that gun as well.
Keep in mind that the FBI's own lab reported that Foster's fingerprints were not on the gun found with the body. No blood could be found on the gun. The autopsy report showed no powder granules or bullet fragments in the wounds that could be matched to the gun found with the body.
More HERE
WOW!!
We will find out who killed Vince Foster when we find out who killed JFK.......never.
Such a swab was done on Foster's hands and they showerd that the fingers of both of Foster's hands were wrapped (or being held) around the barrel of a gun when it was fired. But, the positions revealed by the powder marks also prove that Foster himself could not have pulled the trigger with his hands in the position the powder traces indicate.
Yes, I should have added that in my prior post. There was powder on Foster's hands, but, given its configuration, its presence undercuts the suicide theory rather than supports it.
GO FOR IT CRAIG! DOUBLE BUMP!
COVERUPS*********************
still
yet
ongoing
neverending.....corpses=clinton?.......
I vaguely remember that an oven mitt, that Foster inserted the pistol into and used as a carrier, was found in the glove compartment of his car. This oven mitt was identified
by Foster's wife as belonging to them ... and missing from their kitchen.
I'm always a little skeptical when so called "new information" arises in a controversial suicide such as the Vince Foster case. However, having said that ... I believe Foster committed suicide ... but it did not occur at Ft. Marcey Park where his body was found. I would really like to know the true circumstances of this suicide, and know that Hillary was definitely a contributing factor.
I`m DONE*
"I am afraid your understanding in this regard is incorrect. Powder marks were observed on Foster's hands at the scene. Indeed, in the famous "gun-in-hand" Polaroid photo, powder can clearly been seen on Foster's right hand. "
Note that in this photo, not a speck of blood can be seen on Foster's hand or the white sleeve of his shirt. Had Foster really inserted a revolver into his mouth and pulled the trigger, the cloud of gun propellent combustion byproducts blasting out of his mouth at over 800 mph, would have sprayed organic matter all over the hand, sleeve, and gun. Not only was Foster's hand and sleeve totally devoid of any blood, but the FBI's most sensitive chemical tests could not find any blood on the gun at all.
thanks for the info link it has it all
"I hate to put a damper on this but it is possible that the FBI's background search is what was registering with the NCIC.
We have heard how that the Clinton Whitehouse was so slow to hand over information. The 2 March dates were nearly 3 months AFTER Vince Foster had started working in the Whitehouse."
You missed the point. Why would the FBI or the White House be running a search on the dark blued steel revolver? Foster did not own the dark blued steel revolver. He owned a silver-colored revolver (probably .22 since that was the only ammo found in the house) that he inherited from his father.
Seems like a 38 would have done a LOT MORE DAMAGE, than what was reported...
Had Foster really inserted a revolver into his mouth and pulled the trigger, the cloud of gun propellent combustion byproducts blasting out of his mouth at over 800 mph, would have sprayed organic matter all over the hand, sleeve, and gun.
Yes, that video that you have on your own website of someone committing suicide by shooting himself in the mouth with a similar handgun demonstrates that point rather convincingly (not to mention graphically). ;-)
Senators and Congressmen and FBI agents they are in cover up and don't forget WACO
chkurmale
"the Seattle gun"
somewhere along the way I've missed the reference to "the Seattle gun". where'd that come from?
I'm sure something can be seen, but is it powder residue? I do a lot of handgun shooting myself (both revolvers and autos) and it takes a few shots before powder marks become noticeable to the naked eye. Anybody got a source for the photo on the net?
I'm not saying there weren't powder marks, but I also seem to remember an earlier report that the powder marks found did not match the suicide scenario. Curiouser and curiouser...
Smart guy this Craig. Is he a freeper do we know?
time for action bump!
bumpity
80 some years ago it was shipped brand new to a Seattle hardware store and wasn't recorded anywhere until it showed up in Vince Fosters hand!
I hate to put a damper on this but it is possible that the FBI's background search is what was registering with the NCIC.
A background search and a weapons trace are two very, very different things.
The folks who did *my* background investigation didn't ask question one about what kind of weapons I owned.
"somewhere along the way I've missed the reference to "the Seattle gun". where'd that come from?"
The frame of the gun found with Foster's body has a serial number which indicates that the gun was originally sold in a Seattle store.
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The most telling thing about the entire "Foster matter" is the action, or should I say inaction, of his closest childhood friend, Bill Clinton.
I don't know about you, but if I was the most powerful man in world and one of my dearest lifelong friends died under highly suspicious circumstances, a bonfire would have been lit under Director Freeh to assemble a crack team agents and leave no stone unturned.
But then again my wife is not my best friend's lover.
I don't remember the "gun in hand" photo but I can assure you that powder would not normally show up on a photograph after one shot was fired!
I might expect blood, but not anything like powder/gas/etc.
Mrs Ruth Price has something to say about this issue. She thought she had a problem with dial 911 and die. A bigger problem exists. The Politicans in power. Does it remind anyone of another time period in the last 100 years where the people were led by the nose.
Bad guys don't live by the rules. Here is Mrs. Ruth Price story and I would think that you would agree she disagrees with this leftist extremist, anti-gun views. Here is Mrs. Price story. Another disarmed voice.
Mrs. Price speaks directly to Sarah Brady of Handgun Control Inc. with a powerful message. Reqauires Audio setup, downloads in 30 seconds, however, well worth your wait for this message.
If you have trouble with this load, cut and paste to URL line.
http://www.geekswithguns.com/audio/911_call_no_address.ram
Next Picture from Mother's of the past, speaking to soccer moms of today.
Have we forgotten already.
Women's talk about self defense.
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Who needs protection? The women of our lives, and our children, the poor who have little police protection, our grandparents, and parents, our wife, and our daughters need the right to self-defense at home and on the street. 2.2 million felons in jail, 3.5 million felons on probation, and 14 million drug abusers looking for their next fix. Do you think they are living in your city? Guns save lives. Gun free zones are killing zones for criminals. Most anti gun liberals are one mugging away from conservative views.
Dail 911 and die is more than a cute saying. It is life or death.
The actual 911 call is Mrs Price voice. Take this recording to every MMM and anti gun rally in the nation. Perhaps the MMM anti guns will be the next Mrs Price.
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Thanks, another poster already addressed this.
BTTT
Biggest cover up artists of Vince Foster's murder were the FBI, Ken Starr and Fiske.
......and he used his thumb to pull the trigger????
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......and he used his thumb to pull the trigger????
Such is the "official" story, yes.
Anyone have a comment on this "oven mitt"?? It's the first I've heard of such a thing. And why isn't still on his person in the pictures of him w/ the gun in his hand? Was it still stuck in his mouth?
Anyone have a comment on this "oven mitt"?? It's the first I've heard of such a thing. And why isn't still on his person in the pictures of him w/ the gun in his hand? Was it still stuck in his mouth?
Reportedly found in the glove compartment (no pun intended) of Foster's car....
"In my Forensic Science class we learned that one of the first things a forensic examiner does in an apparent suicide is to swab the victim's hands for gunpowder residue"
They did do the test and found none, but did come to the conclusion that he washed his hands clean of the residue to make it look like murder. He washed his hands after he shot himself twice in the neck and head, drove his car back to DC, then walked back to the park, cleaned off the soles of his shoes, then laid down and died. That also explains why there was no blood at the scene. It all drained out of his body with all the running around he had to do before his died.
Used his thumb? Why not- if he were pointing the gun into his mouth, thumb on trigger is a reasonable position.
Consider that when a child plays with a gun, the only way they can pull the trigger is both thumbs on the trigger- and the accidental shot goes into the head.
If you did a mouth shot with your index finger on the trigger you'd need to bend your hand and forearm around awkwardly. If you forget all the training you got from Jeff Cooper and pojnted the barrel at your mouth with your hand around the gun, thumb on trigger, it will be much easier. Also the flash from the barrel and the cylinder gap will get on your hand or wrist. The recoil and final twitching and so forth could very well leave the gun in your hand with the thumb in the trigger guard.
A shot to the temple you could do with a normal index-finger trigger pull.
Please if you experiment with this don't use a real gun!
bttt
Marilyn S. Walton of the Justice Department's Access Integrity
Unit rejected NewsMax.com's request
for that information, saying that making it public could be helpful
to criminals.
Probability the Bush Justice Department will do
anything that reveals new information about
Vince Foster:
0
The value of 'restoring dignity to
the presidency' in keeping the lid
on eight years of murder, corruption,
and treason:
priceless.
just have patience. When we die we will know the truth. How we will get that information back to the living is my question.
I believe our government has falsified all these reports.
Remember when Whitehearst came out from the FBI lab and said that the FBI were making up their own evidence on their reports.
I think all these investigations have been doctored by our own government agencies.
Like WACO; for example, when they murdered all them children.
Keep up the good work! We all know he and others like Ron Brown were killed for knowing too much and for being in the way if questions began to arise. How convenient it was for everyone to disappear for old Billie Bob. Folks we have a change of power now, so why aren't we seeing anything being done about these injustices? Are they just trying to sweep everything under the rug in order to maintain civil control? I mean really if the truth be known about this event and ones like Waco, the federal government would cease to exist! As long as we have free access to the internet, the free press will free the masses from this oppressive machine! Absolute and Centralized power corrupts absolutely. We cannot trust our government ! I hope everyone got a great lesson in history from this whole affair- the Clinton Legacy. Long Live the Confederacy and the constitution.
Thanks for posting this.
For posterity, here is a link to the original article on NewsMax.com.
Won't it be nice when we read the following in the news? --
WASHINGTON DC -- FBI special agents today arrested Senator Hillary Clinton as she was entering the Senate building. Acting on an arrest warrant obtained by the criminal division of John Ashcroft's DOJ, she has been charged with multiple federal counts of conspiracy to commit murder of a federal employee, conspiracy to obstruct a federal investigation, and related offenses. The federal prosecutor has requested denial of bail, insisting that Senator Clinton is a flight risk. She is being held in custody, pending a preliminary hearing to determine what bail, if any, will be ordered. If convicted of all charges, federal sentencing requirements could result in multiple life sentences for her.
The thumbs on oven mitts we have used at home are so bulky it could be a pain in the a$$ to try and shove them thru the trigger guard--especially if it were a small trigger guard, so maybe he thought, "Screw the oven mitt." Maybe that's not why it was in his car. Maybe he was so distraught and wrapped up in his plan and approach into the park, he plain forgot it. (Or maybe the person(s) who murdered him forgot to rig the mitt on his hand.) Sounds like a lotta "maybe's" eh?
As long as we have free access to the internet
they are coming after that Now
thanks
bttt
Thanks for posting this article...
Finally, I get to ping y'all first... dan
You missed the point. Why would the FBI or the White House be running a search on the dark blued steel revolver? Foster did
not own the dark blued steel revolver. He owned a silver-colored revolver (probably .22 since that was the only ammo found
in the house) that he inherited from his father.
Foster was also known to have owned a .45 automatic, and had brought that handgun with him when he moved to Washington as well. I think it more likely that the silver-finished nickel-plated or stainless revolver was a .38 or .357, as it appears that the .22 ammunition was for a rifle:
The OIC omits any mention of the FBI's interview of Lee Bowman, Mr. Foster's nephew and the family member who was
most familiar with the subject gun collection. Lee had become familiar with the gun collection from hunting with his grandfather.
After the death of Mr. Foster, Sr., in 1991, Mrs. Alice Mae Foster gave the handguns to Mr. Foster. Lee's knowledge further
attests that a black revolver was not among the guns in the collection. The FBI's Report of its June 28, 1994 interview with
Lee waters down the significance of his account, but it is still there.
Bowman recalled seeing that his grandfather possessed about three pistols/revolvers; about four
shotguns; and two or three rifles... [He said] the gun does not ring a bell particularly. Bowman said
the '.38 caliber nature of the weapon was familiar, but that he didn't remember the black handle and
the dark color of the metal.
According to Lee, there was a .38 caliber revolver in the collection, but it was silver, not black.
I am not sure Foster was one of clintons 'dearest lifelong friends'. I remember reading that clinton & Foster were neighbors when they were very young (5 years old). Then clinton moved away & they did not meet again until many years later when they were grown. Someone correct me if I am wrong.
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I read that Vince Foster was left-handed. Why would he shoot himself with his right hand?
Soon you will be asimilated, brought into their collective. When they say 2+1=5 you will agree. Big Brother is watching YOU!
Are they just trying to sweep everything under the rug in order to maintain civil control?
Seems like a logical conclusion to me...
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You assume a single action revolver? I'm trying to imagine getting a solid grip on a DA revolver with the thumb on the trigger. Wouldn't that grip prevent the cylnder from rotating?
It doesn't make sense the way it was officially described. Think about it. The easiest way is to use the standard grip and invert the gun (upside down), the trigger finger, much stronger than the thumb, remains as normal and the inversion automatically points the gun upward in the mouth towards the center mass of the old gray matter. You also have to go through some contortions to get the butt clear of your chest to guarantee the angle required for center of the brain penetration
In fact, using an empty air pistol just now by way of demonstration, the official version would have the axis of the barrel align with the spinal column( if centered) just below the brain. Certainly no guarantee of an instant demise.
Doesn't make any sense that one tries the most difficult of possible positions to do oneself in.
I also don't recall mention of the muzzle blast damage (hot fiery gases from short to medium barrel revolver) causing the massive damage to the face. I would expect massive damage to all the soft tissue, nose via sinus passages, teeth, etc. Muzzle blast powder residue would be almost fully contained in what was left of his head.
"Anyone have a comment on this "oven mitt"?? It's the first I've heard of such a thing. "
Ken Starr tried to explain away the absence of Foster's fingerprints on the gun by claiming that Foster carried the gun around in an old oven mitt, which was left in the glove box of Foster's car. Just how Foster was supposed to carry the gun from the car to where the body was found sans oven mitt and still not get fingerprints on it is a question that has apparently not occurerd to Mr. Starr or anyone at the OIC.
The only evidence for the presence of the oven mitt is the following photo, released by Starr's ofice to attorney Allan Favish in response to a Freedom Of Information Act lawsuit.
But this photo damns Starr's investigation as a fraud, because the photo is a fake!
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