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The Great "Gay" Racket

Culture/Society Editorial Keywords: HOMOSEXUALITY, GAY RIGHTS
Source: Sobran's
Published: 04/19/2001 Author: Joseph Sobran
Posted on 05/03/2001 11:33:11 PDT by sheltonmac

April 19, 2001

Getting in touch with my feelings the other day, I realized how I loathe homosexuals. All of them? Of course not. Some of them are funny, kind, intelligent, and otherwise pleasant. But homosexuals in general, yes. I can’t stand them. Especially the ones who are organized under the rubric of gay rights.

I guess this makes me “homophobic.” So what? Homophobia is one of those ugly cant-words — like racist and sexist — that no self-respecting speaker of the English language would use. (Try to imagine Abraham Lincoln calling someone “homophobic.”) It’s a verbal badge of groupthink.

Funny how the people who style themselves victims always want to bully everyone else. Diversity now means conformity. It means making sensible people afraid to contradict nonsense so obvious as to insult their intelligence.

Normal people find homosexuality, especially male homosexuality, repellent. We’re supposed to apologize for that? Our slang words for the anus, and their use as insults, express our disgust with the whole idea of anal sex. Apart from the personal defilement it involves, it’s grossly unsanitary.

My own feelings are intensified by personal experience. Believe me, when a child you love has been sodomized, it takes a lot of the romance out of buggery. What was merely disgusting becomes nauseating. You needn’t hate the perpetrator — who, in this case as in so many others, had been sodomized as a child himself — to feel utter revulsion at the act, and contempt for those who try to endow it with dignity.

Will the victim now grow up to sodomize other boys? Will he come down with AIDS? Will he, on his wedding night, remember this first “sexual” experience?

Another instance of homosexual pedophilia has been in the news lately — or rather, hasn’t been in the news. In 1999 two Arkansas perverts raped, tortured, and murdered a 13-year-old boy; that crime has been almost totally ignored by the same news media that spent a year bewailing the murder of the homosexual Matthew Shepard. Because the boy was a victim rather than a victimizer of homosexuals, his story might hurt The Cause. No martyr he!

The standard “gay” line on pedophilia is that most child molesters are heterosexuals. This is sheer propaganda. Homosexuals are only 1 or 2 percent of the general population (despite their inflated claims — also propagandist — of 10 percent), yet they are wildly disproportionate among pedophiles.

What is more important, though, is that most heterosexuals are more than willing to punish molesters of little girls. They don’t make excuses for them or cover up their crimes. They recognize norms of behavior.

But pedophiles are an integral part of the “gay rights” movement. Does that movement repudiate them? Not at all. On the contrary, the North American Man/Boy Love Association is a regular and welcome contingent at “gay pride” marches. In England, organized “gays” agitate for lowering the age of consent for sex.

This stands to reason. Homosexuality is an abandonment not only of the normal, but of any norms. Once you approve of promiscuous anal sex with strangers, how can you draw a line against anything? Why not have anal sex with kids, if that’s your thing?

And once again, the news media — which love to highlight any “extremists” at conservative events — refuse to report on pedophiles in the movement. It might embarrass The Cause. If it’s “diversity” you want, don’t look for it among journalists.

I used to feel sorry for homosexuals. However they became that way, it was an inclination I could only pity them for being saddled with, since so much of normal life was closed off to them. And I understand why parents who find out their sons are homosexual want to protect them, even if it means denying that homosexuality is a serious disorder. That’s natural.

But no parent is glad to learn his son is “gay”; no parent would wish that condition on a child. This is why all the propaganda of “gay pride” rings false. Normal people aren’t even proud of being normal; they take it for granted. But “pride” in an abnormality?

I don’t blame anyone for being sick. I blame them for telling me that sickness is just another form of health.

Joseph Sobran

1 Posted on 05/03/2001 11:33:11 PDT by sheltonmac
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5 Posted on 05/03/2001 11:37:44 PDT by sheltonmac
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RE: "Homosexuals are only 1 or 2 percent of the general population (despite their inflated claims — also propagandist — of 10 percent), yet they are wildly disproportionate among pedophiles."

I'd like to see a source on that.

Anyone ?

6 Posted on 05/03/2001 11:39:47 PDT by Eddeche
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I ocne heard of a guy who had no friends. And then he announced he was gay and no he was friends up the a**

<Sorry_about_old_joke/>

7 Posted on 05/03/2001 11:39:55 PDT by pikachu
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I'm glad someone had the guts to write a column like this. It's beats the Administration naming an AIDS czar that believes in clean needles, condoms and gay marriage as solutions to AIDS.

8 Posted on 05/03/2001 11:42:10 PDT by Ol' Sparky
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Well, Joe Sobran has been invited to his last wine and brie social.

9 Posted on 05/03/2001 11:43:18 PDT by dead
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I hope Joe dosen't ever want to get his hair "styled" or need the sevices of an interior decorator!!

10 Posted on 05/03/2001 11:49:01 PDT by 101viking
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As a society, Amerika falls all over itself to protect its homosexuals, yet cares not a whit for the widespread, daily murder of its preborn.

Satan's work is very nearly complete.

11 Posted on 05/03/2001 11:49:03 PDT by Buffalo Bob
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We recently had an article here in Rochester about an epidemic of hepatitis. The article states that the outbreak seemed to disproportionately affect the gay community, yet said it believe the cause of the disease was unwashed hands after using the bathroom in restaurants.

Couldn't be related to anal to oral sex being performed on people without 'washing'. It must be careless wiping, not washing and then going to the salad bar. OK. All science points out that homosexual activity is unnatural and unhealthy. Yet we are told to celebrate it by the PC crowd.

12 Posted on 05/03/2001 11:53:47 PDT by bird3three3
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BTTT

13 Posted on 05/03/2001 11:56:25 PDT by Inspector Harry Callahan
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All kiding aside, what most see as "Gay" or "homosexual" behavior, is merely sexual deviants who have flocked to the gay community for protection. Just as Joe points out, NAMBLA (North American Man-Boy Love Association) is wecomed at many "gay-pride" events, and many of us still have churning stomachs from the scenes broadcast from the Washington D.C. Gay parade a few years back, complete with simulated sex acts, and masochism in broad daylight, in our Nation's capitol. These people, are most likely not gay, or confirmed homosexuals. They would have deviant sex with a can of tuna, if there were no other options available to them. What they promote is deviance in it's ugliest form, and have used the gay rights movement as a vehicle for their perversions.

14 Posted on 05/03/2001 11:57:52 PDT by 101viking
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I think Joe will be prisoner # 00001 when the left succeeds in starting up the re-education gulags.

15 Posted on 05/03/2001 12:00:43 PDT by Sans-Culotte
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Charlie the Tuna ain't gonna be happy with you.

16 Posted on 05/03/2001 12:03:02 PDT by paddles
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Getting in touch with my feelings the other day, I realized how I loathe homosexuals.

Cardinal rule of journalism: say it all in the first sentence -- the rest is all details. I'd say this qualifies. LOL!

17 Posted on 05/03/2001 12:03:25 PDT by r9etb
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How can we as normal thinking citizens ever accept a lifestyle that promotes anonymous sex in public bathrooms, in parks and with animals. Also, factor in the high rate of disease, AID's related deaths, emotional problems associated with this perverted way of life and the only conclusion is that any acceptance of homosexuality is PURE INSANITY.

18 Posted on 05/03/2001 12:03:37 PDT by american spirit
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Damn, I wanted that number!

19 Posted on 05/03/2001 12:05:20 PDT by Argh
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I don't have a souce either, but then again, out of all the people I know, even tangentially, I still only know a handful of homosexuals. My guess is (and notice I said guess) that Sobran is closer to being right than "The Movement".

20 Posted on 05/03/2001 12:06:31 PDT by irish guard
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"What they promote is deviance in it's ugliest form, and have used the gay rights movement as a vehicle for their perversions."

I think that sums it up perfectly.

21 Posted on 05/03/2001 12:06:52 PDT by sheltonmac
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Pretty damning article, by a "small-l" libertarian (if my memory serves me correctly. Not all libertarians are libertines.

22 Posted on 05/03/2001 12:11:21 PDT by Paradox
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... emotional problems associated with this perverted way of life and the only conclusion is that any acceptance of homosexuality is PURE INSANITY.

Whom the gods would destroy, they first make crazy.

23 Posted on 05/03/2001 12:11:29 PDT by r9etb
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Try the FBI. 33% of pedophiles are homosexual.

24 Posted on 05/03/2001 12:18:42 PDT by GuillermoX
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Good honest article. I concur with every word. Homosexuals will NEVER erase the 'replusive' reaction heterosexuals instinctually have to their sexual behavior. This reaction is probably a gift from God. And the word 'gay' is so stupid and perverse I refuse to use it when referring to the honest term, homosexual. There is nothing happy about homosexuals. But there is a great deal wrong.

25 Posted on 05/03/2001 12:20:40 PDT by Republic
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But pedophiles are an integral part of the “gay rights” movement. Does that movement repudiate them? Not at all. On the contrary, the North American Man/Boy Love Association is a regular and welcome contingent at “gay pride” marches. In England, organized “gays” agitate for lowering the age of consent for sex.

Hmm...and other groups wonder why conservatives oppose the "homo is ok agenda"!

26 Posted on 05/03/2001 12:21:12 PDT by reagankid
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Absolutely PERFECTLY stated! I second your comments.

27 Posted on 05/03/2001 12:22:41 PDT by Republic
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In order to "accept" homosexuality as "normal," you have to accept two propositions.

First, you must accept the proposition that sex is an activity without moral significance. Unfortunately, more and more people seem to believe this. And, the necessity for acceptance of this proposition explains why homosexuals are in the front lines of those anxious to break down any moral boundaries associated with sex.

Second, you must accept the proposition that sex is an activity without biological significance. This is just plain ridiculous, and it's where the whole gay rights argument takes on an "Emperor's New Clothes" quality.

28 Posted on 05/03/2001 12:26:46 PDT by lady lawyer
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"Why doesn't Sobran just come out and say what he really thinks?"

GOD MAKES HIS OPINION CONCERNING SODOMITES VERY CLEAR THROUGHOUT THE BIBLE...........including the future of the unrepentant.

29 Posted on 05/03/2001 12:27:16 PDT by Messianic_Zionist
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Are you asking for the source material on pedophilia or on the 1% to 2%. The 1% to 2% is well documented. One place you can find it with a little bit of searching at Leadership University. I remember seeing a paper there with endnotes that cited the sources. I think the paper was about the patently false 10% figure put forth by Kinsey. If you are asking about the pedophilia, it would be interesting to see where Sobran got his information. He is a seasoned journalist and I would be surprised if he had not checked this.

30 Posted on 05/03/2001 12:27:58 PDT by chapman55k
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clean needles and condoms are a solution.

"After reviewing all of the research to date, the senior scientists of the Department and I have unanimously agreed that there is conclusive scientific evidence that syringe exchange programs, as part of a comprehensive HIV prevention strategy, are an effective public health intervention that reduces the transmission of HIV and does not encourage the use of illegal drugs."

Source: US Surgeon General Dr. David Satcher, Department of Health and Human Services, Evidence-Based Findings on the Efficacy of Syringe Exchange Programs: An Analysis from the Assistant Secretary for Health and Surgeon General of the Scientific Research Completed Since April 1998 (Washington, DC: Dept. of Health and Human Services, 2000), from the website of the Harm Reduction Coalition at http://www.harmreduction.org/surgreview.html.

According to Dr. Harold Varmus, Director of the National Institutes of Health, "An exhaustive review of the science in this area indicates that needle exchange programs can be an effective component in the global effort to end the epidemic of HIV disease."

Source: Varmus, H., Director of the National Institutes of Health, Press release from Department of Health and Human Services, (April 20, 1998).

According to a study in 1996, "Drug paraphernalia laws in 47 U.S. states make it illegal for injection drug users (IDUs) to possess syringes." The study concludes, "decriminalizing syringes and needles would likely result in reductions in the behaviors that expose IDUs to blood borne viruses."

Source: Bluthenthal, Ricky N., Kral, Alex H., Erringer, Elizabeth A., and Edlin, Brian R., "Drug paraphernalia laws and injection-related infectious disease risk among drug injectors", Journal of Drug Issues, 1999;29(1):1-16. Abstract available on the web at http://www.nasen.org/NASEN_II/research1.htm.

Between 1991 and 1997, the U.S. Government funded seven reports on clean needle programs for persons who inject drugs. The reports are unanimous in their conclusions that clean needle programs reduce HIV transmission, and none find that clean needle programs cause rates of drug use to increase.

Source: National Commission on AIDS, The Twin Epidemics of Substance Abuse and HIV (Washington DC: National Commission on AIDS, 1991); General Accounting Office, Needle Exchange Programs: Research Suggests Promise as an AIDS Prevention Strategy (Washington DC: US Government Printing Office, 1993); Lurie, P. & Reingold, A.L., et al., The Public Health Impact of Needle Exchange Programs in the United States and Abroad (San Francisco, CA: University of California, 1993); Satcher, David, MD, (Note to Jo Ivey Bouffard), The Clinton Administration's Internal Reviews of Research on Needle Exchange Programs (Atlanta, GA: Centers for Disease Control, December 10, 1993); National Research Council and Institute of Medicine, Normand, J., Vlahov, D. & Moses, L. (eds.), Preventing HIV Transmission: The Role of Sterile Needles and Bleach (Washington DC: National Academy Press, 1995); Office of Technology Assessment of the U.S. Congress, The Effectiveness of AIDS Prevention Efforts (Springfield, VA: National Technology Information Service, 1995); National Institutes of Health Consensus Panel, Interventions to Prevent HIV Risk Behaviors (Kensington, MD: National Institutes of Health Consensus Program Information Center, February 1997).

Needle exchange programs can "prevent significant numbers of [HIV] infections among clients of the programs, their drug and sex partners and their offspring. In almost all cases, the cost per HIV infection averted is far below the $119,000 lifetime cost of treating an HIV infected person."

Source: Lurie, P. & Reingold, A.L., et al., The Public Health Impact of Needle Exchange Programs in the United States and Abroad (San Francisco, CA: University of California, 1993), Vol. 1, Executive Summary, pp. iii-v.

Injecting drug use is the single largest route of exposure to HIV for Hispanics. As of June 1997, 37.2% of all AIDS cases among Hispanics were linked to IDU.

Source: National Coalition of Hispanic Health and Human Services Organizations, HIV/AIDS: The Impact on Minorities (Washington, DC: National Coalition of Hispanic Health and Human Services Organizations, 1998), Figure 5, p. 15.

but I'm sure facts and medical science you will choose to ignore

31 Posted on 05/03/2001 12:28:12 PDT by rb22982
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Some great quotes in this piece:

Homophobia is one of those ugly cant-words — like racist and sexist — that no self-respecting speaker of the English language would use ... It’s a verbal badge of groupthink.
Not only groupthink, but an attempt to turn perfectly normal thinking patterns into a pyschological "disorder" - calling the healthy "sick" and the sick "healthy".

Diversity now means conformity. It means making sensible people afraid to contradict nonsense so obvious as to insult their intelligence.
A challenge presented to academia by Heston. We wait to see if they'll get the point.

If it’s “diversity” you want, don’t look for it among journalists.
Here's a quote worth repeating - in the ears of every journalist you know, in editorials to your local papers, in any public forum where you can get your two cents in.

Normal people aren’t even proud of being normal; they take it for granted. But “pride” in an abnormality?
Not only are heterosexuals not proud, but if they even thought about a straight pride parade, the groupthinking diversiphobic press would slaughter them before they got started.

32 Posted on 05/03/2001 12:28:21 PDT by watchin
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These people, are most likely not gay, or confirmed homosexuals. They would have deviant sex with a can of tuna, if there were no other options available to them. What they promote is deviance in it's ugliest form, and have used the gay rights movement as a vehicle for their perversions.

Hear hear ... many of my homosexual friends are just as utterly repelled by "Gay Pride" as "homophobes" here on the forum.

33 Posted on 05/03/2001 12:29:26 PDT by Askel5
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It shouldn't be hard to source with a minimum of research, on the web or at a public library. A few years ago it was well-reported that the Kinsey figure of 10% had been repudiated, as his sample group was horrendously skewed by its use of prison inmates and anyone who'd ever experienced anything that resembled homosexual activity, even if it was innocuous adolescent horseplay. A more reliable percentage was found to be 1 or 2%. However, the Kinsey figure is still gospel to the gay rights advocates, as it supposedly lends more legitimacy to their claim of normalcy (despite the fact that, even at 10%, their claim to the term "normal" robs it of any useful meaning).

34 Posted on 05/03/2001 12:31:29 PDT by william clark
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That still does not mitigate anything that Sobran said about the homosexual act.

35 Posted on 05/03/2001 12:32:24 PDT by chapman55k
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RE: "Try the FBI. 33% of pedophiles are homosexual."

Got a link?

Thanks !

36 Posted on 05/03/2001 12:32:32 PDT by Eddeche
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Go spend some time on the Family Research Council site. They've got a lot of data in this area. I assume you're not asking us to do your footwork for you beyond that.

Dan

37 Posted on 05/03/2001 12:33:46 PDT by BibChr
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Those two propositions make perfect sense. They apply to heterosexual sex as well as homosexual sex. Heterosexual sex outside of marriage has serious consequences. The problem isn't just homosexual behavior, it is all deviant sexual behavior. Homosexuals lobbying for acceptance is no different than heterosexual pedophiles wanting to be accepted for "who they are."

38 Posted on 05/03/2001 12:33:53 PDT by sheltonmac
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Kinsey was the originator of the theory that 10 percent of the population is homosexual. And as usual no one even questioned it and many groups now use that as the standard. More recent and reliable studies put homosexuals at two to four percent. You might find more useful info on the Kinsey reports at Focus on the Family's web site.

Focus on the family recently did an interview with a woman who has done extensive research on Kinsey and his work at IU. She (can't remember the name) also published a book on her findings. It's very upsetting.

39 Posted on 05/03/2001 12:33:58 PDT by fightin kentuckian
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RE: "Homosexuals are only 1 or 2 percent of the general population (despite their inflated claims — also propagandist — of 10 percent), yet they are wildly disproportionate among pedophiles."

I'd like to see a source on that.

I also would like a source. I have seen the statistic before that paedophiles are 300 times more likely to be homosexuals than heterosexuals, but I have never found the original source for it.

40 Posted on 05/03/2001 12:34:37 PDT by FateAmenableToChange
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I don't doubt the 1 - 2% number, I think that has been fairly well sourced before.

I was curious about the % of hetero/homo pedophiles.

The author builds much of his animus for the homo's on this statistic, but doesn't source it.

41 Posted on 05/03/2001 12:36:42 PDT by Eddeche
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Getting in touch with my feelings the other day, I realized how I loathe homosexuals. All of them? Of course not. Some of them are funny, kind, intelligent, and otherwise pleasant. But homosexuals in general, yes. I can’t stand them. Especially the ones who are organized under the rubric of gay rights.

The same could be said for blacks, women, disabled, or ethnic minorities who prefer to marginalize their human dignity by defining themselves first by their skin, sex organs, handicaps or nationality.

That said ... I LOATHE those who take the bait and lump all homosexuals (or blacks or women, et al.) under some Rainbow Coalition flag.

I am sickened by the bigotry and malevolent hatred I've seen evidenced time and time and time again on this forum (particularly against homosexuals and particularly with reference to AIDS as a 'gay' disease or just retribution of some sort from their God the Fiend).

I wish more folks would speak up as Sobran has. With the exception of those hopelessly perverted or hateful sorts, there are many gullible, lost ones who get sucked up by these movement and conditioned such that it's very difficult to bring them back to reality.

42 Posted on 05/03/2001 12:38:49 PDT by Askel5
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Colorado skated by recently when a house committee barely killed a senate bill making "sexual orientation" a protected class under hate crimes law.These perverts and their sympathizers never give up---we've gone thru a variant of this for at least the past three sessions.

Last year the wife and I attended a committee hearing wherein several wellheeled law firms,numerous proud sodomites,and a bunch of looney feminists argued for similiar "protection".Three or four other grassroots Christians stood up to them and this bill was later killed in committee.Again,folks,don't let your guard down---these people will not give up on this nonsense--- your humble input could make the critical difference in continuing to defeat these schemes.

43 Posted on 05/03/2001 12:38:57 PDT by IGNATIUS
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The author builds much of his animus for the homo's on this statistic, but doesn't source it.

I'm interested as well. If you find (or receive) info before me, please flag me.

44 Posted on 05/03/2001 12:39:42 PDT by Askel5
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I thought Sobran was Constitution Party.

45 Posted on 05/03/2001 12:41:43 PDT by Askel5
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Most homosexuals are not child molesters. However, child sexual molestation is over 300% more common among homosexuals than among heterosexuals, according to the report, "The Proportions of Heterosexual and Homosexual Pedophiles among Sex Offenders against Children" in The Journal of Sex and Marital Therapy (No. 1, 1992).

46 Posted on 05/03/2001 12:42:23 PDT by chapman55k
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Hurrah for Joseph Sobran!!!

47 Posted on 05/03/2001 12:42:24 PDT by Surge-on
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See the source above.

48 Posted on 05/03/2001 12:43:16 PDT by chapman55k
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Most homosexuals are not child molesters. However, child sexual molestation is over 300% more common among homosexuals than among heterosexuals, according to the report, "The Proportions of Heterosexual and Homosexual Pedophiles among Sex Offenders against Children" in The Journal of Sex and Marital Therapy (No. 1, 1992).

49 Posted on 05/03/2001 12:44:14 PDT by chapman55k
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Isn't adult male men having sex with men or boys 100% homosex?

50 Posted on 05/03/2001 12:44:26 PDT by f.Christian
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I ran into an ex-girlfriend a few years ago, after not seeing her for a couple of years. I asked her what she was doing now. She told me she had moved to sanfrancisco and really liked it. I told her I was suprised that she could tolerate the prevalent gay comunity there.

She responded that gay men were some of the most intelligent men she had ever met.

I told her I would dispute that fact, based on sexual preference alone.

51 Posted on 05/03/2001 12:44:32 PDT by alaskanfan
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Hurrah for Joseph Sobran!!! Amen. Bigger print.

52 Posted on 05/03/2001 12:47:08 PDT by martinchemnitz
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Without a doubt, I could make quite clear not only how unclean is the act but profile its perversity such that none would be left in the dark as to its more sinister side.

Why don't I do that?

Because I think that those who spend a great deal of time discussing or alluding to the acts, linking folks to salacious sites which detail homosexual practices and offer wild, fantastic scenarios for perusal are themselves PERVERTED.

It's like waving pornographic pictures around as part of your argument against pornography. It serves no purposes whatsoever and only infects the heretofore clean minds which were not cluttered with such ugly images.

[It is for this reason (as well as a profound respect for the dead and fear of desensitizing folks) that I also reject the use of dead fetuses and gore as part of the anti-abortion movement. I think pen and ink drawings are sufficient to get the point across and actual images should be used sparingly, if at all.]

53 Posted on 05/03/2001 12:48:18 PDT by Askel5
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54 Posted on 05/03/2001 12:49:47 PDT by Askel5
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Read Andrew Sullivan's column on Jesse Dirkheising at www.andrewsullivan.com

Virtually all responsible homosexuals support age of consent laws, for straights and gays alike. People who violate them - and worse - should be prosecuted to the fullest extent of the law, as is happening in the brutal murder of Jesse Dirkheising.

Don't forget that unwed teenage pregnancy also causes significant social problems.

55 Posted on 05/03/2001 12:50:49 PDT by badboynofear
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well...I'm summarizing myself based on an examination of some facts I have before me.

Inmate interviews in 277 prisons in 45 states, conducted during 1991, revealed:

•  Of all prisoners convicted of rape or sexual assault, two-thirds victimized children;
•  Three out of four child victims were female;
•  Offenders typically preyed on children they knew, not strangers;
• Eighty-eight percent had a prior relationship with their victims;
•  Prisoners convicted of attacking children were mostly male (97 percent);
• Almost 70 were percent white;
•  Sixty-four percent were married or divorced;
• Child victimizers were generally five years older than those who victimized adults;
• About 22 percent of the child sex offenders reported having been sexually abused themselves during childhood; and
• Three out of four prisoners who victimized a child reported the crime took place in their own home or in the victim's home.

Source: U.S. Department of Justice, Bureau of Justice Statistics, Released March 3, 1996 (202/307-0784)

Conclusion

Since only 3% of the offenders were females, and only 75% of the victims were females, that means estimated  (25/97) 25.77% of all pedophile offenses were homosexual offenses.  I highly doubt that the male population comprises of 25% homosexuals in America.  This means, homosexuals are much more likely to be pedophile offenders than heterosexuals percentage wise.

Of course, this by no means that even a large minority of homosexuals are pedophile offenders with the stats I have on me.

56 Posted on 05/03/2001 12:53:25 PDT by rb22982
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How can we as normal thinking citizens ever accept a lifestyle that promotes anonymous sex in public bathrooms, in parks and with animals...

See The Massachusetts News Fistgate Archive articles:

Students Given Graphic Instruction In Homosexual Sex By Brian Camenker and Scott Whiteman, The Massachusetts News, May 2000

Fistgate II Teaches More Sexual Activity for Young ‘Homosexuals’ - Held in same building as last year, but this year included more students and sex kit By Ed Oliver, The Massachusetts News, March 26, 2001

Visit the Parents' Rights Coalition

Get the National Education Association out of Public Education

Please send the link to this message thread to every parent you know.

57 Posted on 05/03/2001 12:53:27 PDT by EdReform
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Its about time that Society STOP being "pushed" to accecpt deviency in the name of "political corectness"

58 Posted on 05/03/2001 12:56:18 PDT by Surge-on
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I thought Sobran was Constitution Party.

Like I said, I remember him coming out as a "small-l" (non-party) libertarian, which probably describes most of the libertarians on FreeRepublic.

59 Posted on 05/03/2001 12:56:22 PDT by Paradox
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The author's name is Judith Reisman and writes for WND. Here is a link to their archives of her articles:

Judith Reisman Archive

60 Posted on 05/03/2001 12:58:52 PDT by LibertarianLiz
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"Don't forget that unwed teenage pregnancy also causes significant social problems."

I agree (see post #38). I think this country has a problem with sexually deviant behavior in general. Once we start down that road, be it homosexuality, pedophilia, prostitution, etc., it is always hard to return. Just ask anyone who has made a habit of sleeping around with multiple partners or has battled an addiction to pornography. Sexual sin is very difficult to overcome.

61 Posted on 05/03/2001 13:00:17 PDT by sheltonmac
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Thoughtful post. I need to think about it a little. A certainly agree with you on your ideas about the pornographic nature of the depiction of homosexuality. I believe that societal mandates against it's practice can be successfully argued basing the arguments on the relative health benefits of monogamous heterosexuality vs. homosexual practice alone.

That said, as part of my own belief that Christianity is all of our objective reality, I believe there even better reasons than health for society to put strong mandates on such behavior. I don't make such arguments with non-Christians.

On the other hand, maybe because it involves innocent human life, I believe there is merit in buttressing the pro-life position through judicious use of the types of graphics we all find so distasteful.

62 Posted on 05/03/2001 13:01:02 PDT by chapman55k
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On the contrary, the North American Man/Boy Love Association is a regular and welcome contingent at “gay pride” marches

I'm sorry, but this is blatantly false. I'm still looking for a shred of evidence to back this up....just a shred.

63 Posted on 05/03/2001 13:02:12 PDT by GSWarrior
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My suspicion is that Sobron really doesn't know much about gays or the gay community. He exudes that one size fits all mentality, without nuance. That is a dead giveaway every time.

Frankly, I don't care what Sobran thinks, on this or any other issue. I don't have much use for the Paleos period.

64 Posted on 05/03/2001 13:02:27 PDT by Torie
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You may also be interested in this article, "Culture of Vice."

65 Posted on 05/03/2001 13:03:22 PDT by sheltonmac
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More statistics in the body of this article at World Net Daily along with references

66 Posted on 05/03/2001 13:05:11 PDT by chapman55k
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Just ask that we keep in mind that God created us all out of nothing. He loves each of us, regardless of orientation, with an infinite love. All sex acts outside of legitimate marriage are sinful and displeasing to Him including the use of use of artificial means of birth control.

Have a great admiration for Joseph Sobran and agree that organizing to legitimize homosexual agendas goes a bit too far. So does organizing to legitimize the killing of babies in the womb.

67 Posted on 05/03/2001 13:06:27 PDT by Renatus
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I loathe homosexuals . . . . . . Some of them are funny, kind, intelligent, and otherwise pleasant. But homosexuals in general, yes. I can’t stand them.

"I loathe Jews . . . . . . Some of them are funny, kind, intelligent, and otherwise pleasant. But Jews in general, yes. I can’t stand them."

"I loathe blacks . . . . . . Some of them are funny, kind, intelligent, and otherwise pleasant. But blacks in general, yes. I can’t stand them."

"I loathe Southerners . . . . . . Some of them are funny, kind, intelligent, and otherwise pleasant. But Southerners in general, yes. I can’t stand them."

"I loathe Christians . . . . . . Some of them are funny, kind, intelligent, and otherwise pleasant. But Christians in general, yes. I can’t stand them."

I want you all to realize how evil this Sobran fellow is, and how poisonous his rhetoric is.

68 Posted on 05/03/2001 13:07:55 PDT by xm177e2
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"He exudes that one size fits all mentality, without nuance."

You obviously failed to read the opening paragraph. If, however, you are referring to the "one size fits all mentality" that says all homosexual sex is wrong, then yes. And you could count me in that group as well. I also happen to think that all heterosexual sex outside the bonds of marriage is wrong. I suppose I'm really narrow-minded.

69 Posted on 05/03/2001 13:08:47 PDT by sheltonmac
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Why doesn't Sobran just come out and say what he really thinks?

Since most of us have been brainwash int knee-jerk fear, I am surprised that this thread is still here.

According to the new "groupthink", Sobrans stuff is clearly hate speech and homophobic, and not allowed on free Republic.

70 Posted on 05/03/2001 13:10:26 PDT by Publius6961
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"I loathe burglars . . . . . . Some of them are funny, kind, intelligent, and otherwise pleasant. But burglars in general, yes. I can’t stand them."

71 Posted on 05/03/2001 13:10:28 PDT by chapman55k
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I want you all to realize how evil this Sobran fellow is, and how poisonous his rhetoric is.

So, in other words, you loathe Sobran and those who use rhetoric like his?

72 Posted on 05/03/2001 13:10:41 PDT by Snuffington
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That's just the thing. It is secular science that considers these forms of sexual expression unhealthy. The pro-gay people are regressing into pagan and gnostic contempt for the human body.

Dr. Schlesinger, a physiologist provoked gay fury for mentioning the "exit only" nature of a certain orifice. It's biology and medecine, even more than Scripture, which warn against anality and other features of the gay "orientation."

73 Posted on 05/03/2001 13:12:14 PDT by Makhno
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