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"In Madison, Wisconsin, we had homeless shelters with 20 beds where 200 people voted," said a top member of the leadership, who asked to remain unnamed for this report. "In Wisconsin, you can just show up at the polls on election day and vote without being registered by saying that you have just moved into the precinct.
In some predominantly Democratic precincts in Texas, we had 125 percent of registered voters cast ballots."
The voter-fraud task force will also examine allegations that the Department of Defense shut down mail call for U.S. military vessels on overseas deployment two weeks before the election, to prevent absentee ballots from being delivered to U.S. Navy personnel or returned by them to their home districts.
Sam Wright, a retired U.S. Navy captain and lawyer who advocates a major overhaul of the military voting system, believes that 200,000 members of the military and their family get systematically disenfranchised. "That's based on the survey that DoD does after every presidential election," said Wright. "I am now coming to believe that the 200,000 figure is a gross understatement. The DoD survey only shows what military members know.
In Baltimore, Chicago and Los Angeles, allegations are surfacing of roving bands of voters who were taken in buses from precinct to precinct to vote in place of registered voters who had moved away or who had never voted before. A major Democrat supporter spent $200,000 for people to go to homeless shelters and haunts and it is on videotape them paying people with cigarettes to get in the car and go vote for Gore. Paying for votes is illegal.
At Wisconsin student precinct, also on videotape are students taking multiple ballots from a chaotic poll and bringing them back later to put in ballot box. A poll of 1,000 students at Marquette University found 174 students who said they voted more than once, 95 voted both by absentee ballots from their home state and also in Wisconsin. Forty-one said they voted twice in Wisconsin, 25 said they voted three times in Wisconsin and 13 said they voted four or more times in Wisconsin.
Democrats obtained absentee ballots for people in mental institutions and had them vote for their candidates.
The Pensacola News Journal reports an absentee ballot diversion scheme in Florida, uncovered by the son of a federal judge. Two ballots -- thought to have been lost -- turned up to be counted, but the signatures were forged ("Pensacola ballot prompts fraud investigation: Elections supervisor discovers forged ballot," by Scott Streater, Nov. 9).
About 200 known cases of people voting both in Florida and New York.
About 500 known cases of felons voting in Florida in a couple counties, with statewide projections around 5000.
In Oregon, where all the ballots were mailed in, a survey indicates that 36,000 of the 1,500,000 ballots were signed by someone other than the registered voter. In this state's Presidential race Gore "won" by about 6,000 votes.
The motor voter rules (known officially as the National Voter Registration Act of 1993) went into effect in January 1995, and required states to allow anyone applying for a drivers license to register to vote at the same time. The problem, admitted board of election officials in several Maryland counties, is that no proof of citizenship is required, thus inviting non-citizens to vote by fraud. About the only way the county or state board of election discovers that a non-citizen has made the voter rolls is when they are called for jury duty. Montgomery County Jury Commissioner Nancy Galvin said her office sends out 10,000 to 12,000 questionnaires every other month to prospective jurors, asking whether they are U.S. citizens. Non-citizens are not allowed to sit on juries.
"We've had many of them returned asking to be excused from jury duty because they are not U.S. citizens," she said. However, she said her office "keeps no records" of these replies, and takes no further action.
In Prince George's County, a heavily Democratic county bordering Washington, D.C., election board official Harold Reston said the board reviews each case individually that is sent over by the jury commissioner. U.S. Rep. Bob Stump, R-Ariz., has twice introduced a bill to repeal motor voter in the U.S. Congress, only to have it vetoed by President Clinton.
He recently vowed to reintroduce the legislation in the 107th Congress next year. "In 1996, 11 percent of the people voting in Maryland were non-citizens," believes Maryland Republican activist and statistician Henry C. Marshall who has done a comprehensive analysis of new registrations. Out of the 1,793,991 votes officially cast, that amounted to 197,339 illegal votes. While it's virtually impossible to verify such figures, they suggest the potential scope of the problem nationwide, especially in states with close elections.
Item: WND reports that legal aliens (nonresidents) living in California and Washington received letters and voting documents urging them to vote -- mailed by the Democratic Party and signed by President Bill Clinton ( "Voter fraud, again!" by Joseph Farah, Nov. 6). Reports of same voter cards going to noncitizens in Florida also, where an estimated 5,000 noncitizen Haitians in Dade County voted for Gore. Edward Nelson, president of U.S. Border Control, believes that the national average for non-citizen voting is about 2-4 percent.
In the U.S. if you have dual citizenship in another country you cannot vote here if you have voted in the other country. There are many people with dual Israeli-U.S. citizenship and with dual Mexico-U.S. citizenship and it is unknown how many of these voted in the election of Prime Minister Barak a couple years ago or in the election between current Presidente Fox or the PRI party candidate in the recent Mexican election and then also voted here this year.
Missouri Carnahan versus Ashcroft Missouri judge ordered St. Louis Democrat precincts polls to remain open for 3 1/2 hours after rest of state's polls closed. They didn't even close after another judge overruled and told them to close. In these precincts the voter turnout was 90% and provided the margin that took the Senate seat from the incumbent Senator and gave it to a dead man. This act also change the popular vote margin in the Presidential race.
Palm Beach County elections website (www.pbcelections.org). a Bush supporter discovered 143 precincts in this county where Al Gore received more than 100% of the registered Democrat votes. In those same districts, Bush received an average of around 60% of the registered Republican votes.
How can this be possible? A statistical analysis by Robert Cook, PE, a nuclear engineer with an MS in statistical quality control, purports to show that it wasn't stupid people in Palm Beach County that were responsible for the large number of double-punched ballots. Rather, he says, "Statistical evidence establishes beyond reasonable doubt that 19,120 presidential race ballots were destroyed by deliberate double-punching ballots in Palm Beach County, FL with a 'second punch' for Al Gore or Pat Buchanan." If you line up a stack of ballots and run a steel probe through the Gore holes, then the Gore votes remain Gore votes, the no votes become Gore votes, and all other votes are invalidated due to double punching.
Cook's analysis "uses simplified but wide-ranging statistical comparisons to establish beyond doubt that Democratic operatives 'stole' by double-punching ballots approximately 15,000 Bush votes in Palm Beach County; and approximately 3,400 additional Buchanan votes."
News item: Irving Slosberg of Palm Beach pulled a Votomatic mechanism from his car and handed it over to police.
The midnight coup In the 1994 Maryland governors race, the usual scenario took place. Democratic precincts in Baltimore City held results until late, and then the Republican Ellen Sauerbrey ended up losing to Democrat Glendening by 5,993 votes, the closest race in Maryland in 70 years. To this day, Sauerbrey and her running mate, former Howard County police chief Paul Rappaport, believe the election was stolen by Democratic party operatives who stuffed ballot boxes and altered voting machines after the polls were closed. Drake Ferguson, a private investigator who headed a volunteer group that helped document Sauerbrey's allegations of voter fraud, found that 75 percent of Baltimore City's 408 precincts had "severe flaws" in election-day records, including election cards that were either unsigned or had names different from the printed name on them.
The group also claimed that 5,832 more votes were tallied in Baltimore City than there were voters who checked in at precincts or cast absentee ballots.
They found that keys to voting machines had been duplicated, and that some people had voted more than once.
They traced the addresses listed by scores of Baltimore City voters to boarded-up houses and to vacant lots.
To rig voting machines in New York and Louisiana you only need pliers, a screwdriver, a cigarette lighter and a Q-tip. Details available.
Long time Democrat and Pollster Pat Caddell said on MSNBC: "But I have to tell you, at this point it's hard not to believe that my party, which is the party I've belonged to since my great, great grandfather in my family, has become no longer a party of great principle -- but has been hijacked by a confederacy of gangsters who need to take power by whatever means and whatever canard they can say."
A Bush supporter in Michigan reports Bush was leading right to the end by 8% and then same old story, Democratic precincts reporting late, took Bush down to defeat and also defeated Senator Abrahams.
In Washington State Senate race, Republican leading by 11,000 until the hold out Democratic district finally reports in, then he loses by less than 2,000 votes
Because voter rolls aren't purged of people who die or move, there is opportunity for fraud by people who vote in the names of those who have gone.
In some states over 20% of the voters no longer live there. In Alaska there are 38,209 more people on the voter rolls than there are people of voting age living in the state.
Jim and Kenneth Colliers wrote "Votescam", the 1992 book detailing the rampant voting fraud that regularly took place in South Florida. When they found preprinted voter ballots in a warehouse rented by a Miami political candidate, Miami's chief law enforcement officer, state attorney Janet Reno arrested these journalists and rather than trying to find out why the candidate had these ballots.
There is a video tape from the 1980's showing members of the League of Women Voters in Palm Beach sitting around punching chads out of punchcard ballots.
The address of the people that tried to sway Bush electors to vote for Gore.
Bob Beckel & Associates
1501 Lee Highway, Suite 200
Arlington, VA 22209
Phone: 703.841.0600
Fax: 703.841.1115
Note: We archive similar "Party Politics Posts" at: http://www.msen.com/~lloyd/oldprojects/recentmail.html
"Those who cast the votes decide nothing. Those who count the votes decide everything." attributed to Communist Josef Stalin
www.votefraud.org [There is a votefraud “Crash Course” which can be ordered from his website.]
The three prongs of Big Media election manipulation are: 1) Warped Public Opinion Polls for months before the election; 2) Phony Exit Polls done by joint effort of the Big TV Networks on Election Day, and 3) easily Rigged Computerized Vote Counting on election day -- which make the polls and exit polls come true.
From the August 17, 2000 NA (Network America) e-wire: It Doesn’t Get Any More Blatant Than This
In a recent article in the weekly newspaper, The Wanderer, Paul Likoudis wrote an important article about the challenge being made to Minority Whip Richard Gephardt by conservative author and businessman, Bill Federer in this year of 2000 in St. Louis, Missouri.
(The Wanderer is an important independent source for political news not carried in the controlled press. America’s oldest Catholic newspaper, founded circa 1867 by the Matt family, which still runs the paper – the Wanderer can be found on the internet at www.thewandererpress.com)
[edit] Dick Gephardt, the former Democratic Speaker of the House, and the current Minority Whip, ...no longer lives in Missouri, but lives in a plush estate near Washington D.C.. ... His Missouri residence? A vacant apartment that his mother lived in until about a year ago, when she was moved into a nursing home.
[edit] Gephardt makes no secret of the fact that he expects to become the Speaker of the House again if the Democrats win the majority of seats in the House of Representatives in the upcoming 2000 elections. With this backdrop, let’s stand aside and let Likoudis tell the story as found in the July 20, 2000 edition of the Wanderer newspaper:
"But this year, there is a very big if for Gephardt, who’s facing a serious challenge by St. Louis Catholic (and Wanderer Reader) Bill Federer, a businessman in his family’s three generation old real estate firm and a nationally known historian, author, publisher, and speaker. "Recent polls show that if the election were held today, Gephardt would pull 30% of the vote in this district, one of the most conservative in the country. Federer would pull 40%, and of the 30% “undecided” nearly 50% are leaning toward Federer.
"Two years ago, Gephardt almost lost to Federer, in the fourth most expensive Congressional race in the country in which he outspent Federer 16 to 1 and ran a campaign based on “the politics of personal destruction.”
Gephardt’s push polls asked voters if they’d vote for Federer if he were “wanted by U.S. marshalls”, and his television ads depicted the historian and author of the best selling (150,000 copies) ‘America’s God & Country Encyclopedia of Quotations’ as “too extreme for Missouri. . . .
"Gephardt’s 1998 “victory” over Federer was also allegedly rife with the type of voting irregularities common to banana republics. "On election morning 1998,” Federer told The Wanderer in an interview, “the phones at my headquarters started ringing and people were telling me my name was not on the ballot in five wards in the city of St. Louis. When I complained to the county clerk, Gephardt’s people responded by asking that polling stations around the district be closed. We had to get attorneys to keep the polls open.
"At noon, by the time returns started coming in, I was ahead of Gephardt 52% to 48%, but then, the computers went down in the city of St. Louis, and the electricity went off in the Jefferson County clerk’s office. This was the third time the electricity went off at that county clerk’s office in a close election,” he said.
"The first time was when Gary Gill ran against Gephardt; the second time was when gambling casinos were on the ballot --- and gambling won. When I was running against Gephardt, a Republican watcher in the clerk’s office was prohibited from looking at the computer screens, and when the computers were later rebooted, every Republican running had lost.” . . .
"Gephardt returned to Washington with 55.8% of the vote, the lowest in his career, in time to lead Bill Clinton’s fight to remain in the White House." (End of quotes from the 7-20-2000 Wanderer article by Paul Likoudis.)
NOW GET THIS!
You have to admit, this one incident is a pretty good story, almost so good that it would be unbelievable if it hadn’t been witnessed by thousands of people. So good that you’d be sure I was making it up if it hadn’t been witnessed by thousands of people. Right?
Another factor is now in the picture, to be covered in an upcoming e-wire. The research of Dan Gutenkauf of Arizona is now providing the legal basis for candidates and citizens to demand transparent vote counts, and prevent kind of “under the rock” tabulations that have saved Gephardt in recent elections.
It is the intentions of the Citizens for a Fair Vote Count team – now extending from sea to shining sea -- ... IF Mr. Bill Federer will start to demand, based on the law, that the St. Louis Board of Elections conduct an honest, transparent vote count, this writer feels certain that Mr. Gephardt will be GONE on November 7, 2000. OR, at the very least, millions will MORE than suspect that our “leaders” are being “chosen” by COMPUTERIZED VOTE FRAUD, NOT BY THE PEOPLE.
Please pray that the Federers will make this an issue for the last two months of the campaign in St. Louis. It could be a breakthrough for America in more ways than one.. effortless manipulation on the part of the writers of the computer program which will secretly instruct the St. Louis computers what to do on the upcoming election night.
Q. Is the system in use in St. Louis transparent to the voters?
A. Of course not. And neither is any other computer system, machine system,
internet system, or mail in system. The candidates and voters are making an
“act of blind faith” if the believe the published computer count.
Q. How bad is the system in use in St. Louis?
A. As bad as it gets. It comparable to the system in use in Cincinnati and
hundreds, maybe thousands, of other venues. It’s a system not transparent to
the public. It’s a system that is unverifiable. It’s a system that is totally
devoid of citizen checks and balances on election day. Any Board of
Elections director who wants to use such a system is a crook or is working
for a crook.
Now you know how the Dick Gephardts, the Barbara Boxers, and the Arlen
Spectors get elected over and over again.
It just doesn’t get any more BLATANT than this!
Jim Condit Jr.,
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Will Peter Jennings, Dan Blather, and Tom Brokaw report this? I don't think so!
Motor voter was a fraud from the start. Republicans knew this, yet when they gained the majority they totally ignored it. Serves 'em right. Vote Libertarian! Starve the GOP beast!
ONE? Remains. Does ANYONE GIVE A DAMN??????????????????/
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GREAT POST
DON'T GIVE UP THE FIGHT NOW
Thanks!
Whole things been dodgy since 1960 when dead people elected a president,that would include both sides Im sure.Over a billion dollars were spent on the elections most of that money doesn't represent the 'common man' Im sure.
Who will tell the people? The magnitude of fraud is just so overwhelming!
I just LOVE that floating banner!!
"The voter-fraud task force will also examine allegations that the Department of Defense shut down mail call for U.S. military vessels on overseas deployment two weeks before the election, to prevent absentee ballots from being delivered to U.S. Navy personnel or returned by them to their home districts.
Here in Hawaii, most of the absentee ballots showed up the day after the election.
Thanks for the post. I tried to find the article at the link you provided, however, and could not find it. Do you have a direct link to the article instead of just to the site that is supposed to have this?
This an old article, but true enough, and we will never defeat the DemocRATS until we address vote fraud. Aside from Florida, and aside from the blatant national and international DemocRAT effort to keep military men and women from voting, much less to count the ballots of the ones who did, consider the rest of the election: 100% voting in some districts in major eastern cities, filmed busloads of black voters going to 13 different polling places in Philadelphia, missing ballot boxes in Republican districts in New Mexico, this garbage and a lot more like it in Wisconsin, bizarre voting intensity in Detroit, corrupt judges in St. Louis, unusual occurrences in Iowa and Washington State, perhaps Oregon, a sudden late night shift in Maine, and then there's Chicago . . . I don't even want to go there. Of course, all this is on top of tactics like the last-minte DUI "revelation". The Demo-mob machine was in high gear.
And we will never win this country back from it until we deal with it and get it under control.
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Well, vote fraud is clearly a problem and has been for some time. We have a lot of it out here in Hawaii. The Voting Integroty Project has an investigation going out here.
I remember from the November 2000 elections a story out of New Mexico how the voting machines there would ignore any ballot with a straight party-line vote. That's a behavior that cannot happen by accident; it must be programnmed for.
Also, despite the brouhaha over the misreported polls and bad predictions by Voter's News Service, all the networks just announced that they will continue to rely on VNS for future elections.
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The same people who created the problems are the ones who will put themselves in charge of fixing it. And through all the smoke and mirrors, it will be business as usual. The system is at critical mass, and nothing less than a meltdown/explosion will change it.
Who will tell the people? The magnitude of fraud is just so overwhelming!
And the worst of it is, would the bulk of "the people" even care?
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It truly is sad that a Republican has to beat his or her Democratic opponent by 1-5% to get elected.
I may agree on some points with you- but the Libertarian party and the Reform Party almost got Algore elected!
This makes me sick to my stomach.
never forget ... 10 million fraudulent Demo votes last election. W won in a landslide, but the criminal party almost stole it. Never forget!
Democrats obtained absentee ballots for people in mental institutions and had
them vote for their candidates. Ever run across the group "Consumer Survivors?" Dr. Sally Satel was on C-Span recently and said the organization used vans in the last election to round up psychotics, (Consumer Survivors believe virtually no one should be institutionalized) to vote for Gore. She also said Donna Shalala pushed for and got Federal funding for the group. Dr. Satel has coined a new word to describe physicians who practice politically correct medicine: "Indoctrinologists."
This was happening all over the country in every state, and especially in the big citys. Those in power now have no desire to see it exposed to the masses. In fact they are the ones doing it.
Its going to take some major organizing by freepers to catch these people in the act. I suggest we sign up people for the next election to bring video cameras and photograph suspicious actions. If you see a van load of people pull up follow them when they leave to see if they are off to another precint. Motor Voter has got to go, its rife with fraud and the military must adopt a fullproof way to make sure that armed services people get to vote and that thier ballots arrrrrive in time to be counted.
I am glad to see this all in one place. The only solution for each of us is to join up and get organized to help monitor polling and counting. You saw it on TV. Republicanss were organized and met democratic challenge after the votes were counted twice. After the recount democratsss were furious to read that Bush won because Republicans were better organized. But many were at parties while the votes were counted and no one challenged Palm Beach county coming up with ten thousand more democratic votes for the automatic recount.
Now hear this: PAT BUCHANAN WON IOWA IN 1996! There were enough discrepancies between what was reported to the VNS and what was printed in the Register the next day to throw the Iowa Caucuses to Pat Buchanan. 800+ missing votes in Dubuque County alone. Dubuque County was a Buchanan stronghold.
I am a river unto my people
About 200 known cases of people voting both in Florida and New York. According to the Miami Herald (obviously not a conservative rag) it was 5000 (all of which were gorons of course). Not to mention the dead, illegal immigrants, the voting machines in democRAT's trunks, the denial of military votes, felons, etc. 5.56mm
Great article.
We must get a huge grass movement going. According to Alan Keyes tonight on "The Edge" (Ugh!) with the dems in control, more or less, of the Senate and Bush's ideas being watered down grass roots making themselves known and a lot of noise is the only way we will get anything done in the congress for the next year and a half.
Great article on the systematic voter fraud built in to the whole friggin voting process.
Jill Abrahamson, DC Bureau Chief of the New York Times said today on C-Span that their recount of Florida will come out sometime this summer. She specifically mentioned the under and over votes so you know this one will favor Gore.
It's such a sham....overvotes have never ever been counted in an election, they are illegal ballots, well....except when democrats lose, they are automatically thrown out. There's no reason to count them, except to add mythical votes to Gore's tally. Clearly illegal votes that would never have been counted.
Maynard Jackson, black former Atlanta mayor, and now working for the DNC to 'get out the vote' in 2002 was on tv this weekend saying they are going to take it to the people. That means even more dead, imprisoned, and illegal voters.
Blatant won't be the half of it next time.
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It seems that the last sane person leaving Kalifornia will not have to worry about turning the lights out in Leftist Eutopia...
True, but what has Bush done to address this problem? What did the GOP do since gaining control of Congress in 94? Nothing. What is Bush likely to do about it during the rest of his administration? Nothing.
If the GOP won't even defend its own party interests, why should we expect them to defend the national interest in ensuring fair elections free of voter fraud? They seem far too timid to even talk about the problem, let alone do something about it.
As long as any candidate benefits from vote fraud (i.e. wins his election), there will be very little action taken. It's called covering one's own a$$ . . . .
Thanks for the heads up!!1
The fraud in ballot tampering is a life and death issue!... The issue of abortion would not be an issue were it not for the fraudulent return of the Boxer, Harkin, Gephardt, etc. criminal enterprise. Murder for hire (abortion on demand) would have been legislated out of existence. With the fraud, the socialist ghouls are retaining their seats in government. Someone wrote a Pubby has to get 1 - 5 % more votes to win ... in reality it is more like 10 to 15% more votes to win! Democrats are liars and cheats and believe that is okay because they are so righteous in their causes! The Democrat Party is a functioning criminal enterprise.
This sounds like Mob Activity..
Laugh if you want, but this degree of coordination had Mafia written all over it.
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Stories like this used to cause riots. That they don't anymore says a lot about the state of our Republic...
Thanks for the post. This our greatest problem.
Know what just occured to me? Thinking about voter totals, and how much fraud occurs...even with the inflated figures, only what, 25% of the population votes? What percent of our population truly cares?
And of course, we should be able to easily overwhelm them if we could eliminate a lot of it.
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Voter fraud must be attended to by each state, not the federal government. Voting rights are basically states rights, so having the majority in the US gov't does not mean a thing.
GREAT POST AND ARTICLE. The easiest way for us to stop some of this voter fraud is to remove our names from the voting rolls in places we used to live. Go back about 10 years and if you moved at all in the past ten years, then contact the local elections office where you used to live and get your name removed from the voting rolls. States no longer remove dead or inactive voters from the rolls. Only the voter can remove themself from the voting rolls. Also, if you have voting apathy and don't bother to vote, then you should remove your name from the rolls, since your not going to vote anyways and there is a good chance someone is voting as you for candidates you would never vote for, whether it is your own apathy or for those that have moved. Lets see if we can thin out those voter log books at polling stations where we used to vote and give the Democrats fewer opportunities to COMMIT VOTER FRAUD!!! I posted an earlier thread on removing our own names from the voting rolls from previous addresses. Click on it below for more info!!! A fairly easy way we can eliminate a form of voter fraud ourselves!!!
Maybe because alot of people don't even realize this is going on. The only mention of non-citizen voter fraud and other voter fraud was from NewsMax.com, WorldNetDaily.com, Accuracy in Media and from national talk show host Michael Savage. The main stream media will cover this up until there are a million people protesting in front of their studios the fact that they have suppressed this and many other news from the American People. I'll bet you though that if this voter fraud heavily favored Republicans, the main stream media would be leading the catcalls to repeal the "Motor Voter Law" and the return to proof of identity and citizenship during voter registration.
Voter fraud must be attended to by each state, not the federal government. I stand corrected. You are correct. What was the last count of GOP governors and state house majorities, BTW? Those guys are the ones that should be "fraud proofing" elections. Thanks for the kind correction,
This is a compilation of news reports I gathered before the 2000 election and for several months afterwards. Which story are you interested in particularly? I will send you a copy of the expanded report if I have it still.
TRENTON, N.J. (Reuters) - In a post-election fracas to rival the presidential battle in Florida, New Jersey Republican Dick Zimmer on Thursday demanded a recount in a U.S. House of Representatives election where he trails Democratic incumbent Rush Holt by fewer than 200 votes.
Zimmer issued his call for a recount a day after he charged Democrats with voting irregularities for allegedly distributing absentee ballots to patients at a psychiatric hospital in hopes of aiding Holt's re-election to the House.
The New York Times reported that the family of one hospitalized schizophrenic woman who believes she gets shampoo tips from God were outraged to learn she had voted for Holt. "I made up my own mind,'' the woman, Doris Mount, told the Times. "I usually vote Republican, but I admit I was a ticket splitter on this one.''
This was the full story on this report.
I just updated my Free Republic Web Page/Profile and now have posted on it links to articles concerning non-citizen voter fraud/other voter fraud, in case anybody wants to check them out. Just click on my screen name (AmericaOne) below.
I agree, if there is as much fraud going on as is indicated in this story and in the posts offered in reply on this thread, then the 30 GOP governors who've held office the last half-dozen years or so have been utterly supine.
And this at a time when, thanks partly to the Rehnquist Supreme Court, a measure of authority and sovereignty has flowed back to the states, with the surprising encouragement of former Lefty Supreme Courty Justice William Brennan, who has seen in the X Amendment a refuge for retreating Socialists.
Here in Hawaii, most of the absentee ballots showed up the day after the election.
From your homepage: "And Maggie Thatcher is still the best man in Europe! LOL! Good one!
Most Americans are woefully ignorant of the workings of their government. Probably more than half don't vote. If you ever hear the man on the street interviews from Penn Station in NYC you would be in total shock. A good many have no idea who the vice president is and it get's worse with subsequent questions. America woke up and watched the 36 day saga but have gone back to sleep.....
The going back to sleep comment is not only entirely correct, it's a recurring theme. Some great kind of government that leaves us with.
And now we read that the networks will keep their voter service provider so nothing will change.
GREAT work! Thank you! Now - who can get this to the attention of BIll O'Reilly and/or the Washington Times and/or the WSJ editorial page writers?
If I am not convinced that the situation is improved in 04 than 2000 will probably be my last year for voting.
I do believe the old saying, "If you're not part of the solution, you're part of the problem." Indifference is not an option. Remember Christ has more dislike for the "lukewarm" than for His honest adversaries.
Talk is cheap, and it is easy for us to sit at our keyboards and preach to the choir about the voter fraud situation. I applaud all the posts here, and find most of them very thoughtful, insightful and occasionally provocative. To what end? Truth be told, all of us must get off our duffs and spread the word that change is in the works. This is the reason we, who proposed the Voter Reform Initiative of 2002 in CA began this drive. VRI02 is only a beginning. Win or lose at the polls, it represents a shot across the bows of the liberal establishment that we, conservatives, libertarians, reformers, republicans and even (gulp) concerned moderates want the inegrity of our election process restored. IMHO, motor voter is unconstitutional. A federal law RE: telling the states how to manage elections, who can or cannot vote or be registered, how they can be registered, etc., is in direct violation of the Tenth Amendment. The Voter Reform act of 1993 (Motor Voter) contains clauses that subvert states rights, and if it were to be tested in USSC would probably be thrown out. All it takes is for a single state to challange this. Unfortunately, actual enforcement of state election codes is left in the hands of local authorities ill equipped to enforce those codes. The County board of elections might be able to appeal to law enforcement officials, but those appeals are relegated very low priority. It is up to us, the citizen, to give it higher priority and to insist that our rights be protected at all levels of our respective governing agencies. Perhaps it is up to us (at this point) to form vigilance committees expressly to operate on election days, and to ensure that the current code is enforced. This would reduce fraud considerably, and when the Voter Reform Initiative is passed, form a basis for real enforcement. Will it be passed? At this point, it hasn't even resolved into a written form. It is still in the works, but I am confident that this will be resolved in the next few weeks. The first victory we enjoy on this will be getting it on the ballot. Once there, at least awareness of the scope of fraud can be exposed to the general public. On its own merits, it should be competative politically. Would it pass? No doubt all kinds of nonsense arguments will be aimed at it. These can easily be refuted IF support is forthcoming from established spokesmen and a strong grassroots organization. Give it a 50/50 chance. Not bad odds, considering the current alternative.
I do believe the old saying, "If you're not part of the solution, you're part of the problem." Indifference is not an option.
Remember Christ has more dislike for the "lukewarm" than for His honest adversaries.
Of course, we all have to prioritize which problems, after our basic commitments to our God and family, that we can help with.
But I don't see simply voting as something that can't make it on to almost anyone's priority list.
By threatening to drop out I motivate those politicians, who stand to lose my vote to fix the problem. That is what I pay them for. I have 8 kids to raise, a job to work, a bible to read, and somewhere in there I'd like to have a little fun. The strongest effort I can make on the voter fraud issue is to threaten to take my vote and go home.
PS, I hate that clichet about part of the problem/ part of the solution.
Libertarians = Personal Freedom + Personal Responsibility
I think there should be a selection to vote for none of the above. That way voters could express their dissatisfaction with the candidates by voicing that none meet their approval. It’s saying that none of the candidates are worthy of my vote. Think about all the eligible voters that chose not to vote – 50%. What does that clearly imply? “I couldn’t be bothered with voting for any candidate. But if it were Mel Gibson or Elle McPherson you bet I’d cast a vote for one of them.” 50% of eligible voters are dissatisfied with the choices.
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"The strongest effort I can make on the voter fraud issue is to threaten to take my vote and go home." That's probably alright. Someone else will show up and vote for you the way it's being done today.
If it's that easy then my vote was meaningless in the first place.
If it's that easy then my vote was meaningless in the first place. The only thing that makes your vote totally meaningless is if you don't bother to vote in the first place. If you want to stop your vote from being diluted or nullified now or in the future, then write your congressman/senator to repeal the Motor Voter Law and encourage others to do so. As the old saying goes, "The Good Lord won't help those that won't help themselves."
If you do not want to vote any more, then do yourself and everybody else here a favor and remove your name from the voting rolls, so at least nobody else will potentially use your name to cast a vote, most likely for someone you or anybody else here would never support or vote for. Click on the link below for how you can remove your name from the voting rolls: http://www.freerepublic.com/forum/a3b1a263b13c3.htm - A fairly easy way we can eliminate a form of voter fraud ourselves!!!
So, when do we all move to our own island and forget the cheating, lying SOB's?
Sad to say, President Bush has his "handlers." He makes some of the right moves; just the same, the "handlers" can get what they want from the Rats.
77 Posted on 12/07/2001 20:52:52 PST by denydenydeny
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It's time to take Amerika back from the National-Socialist Facists!
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I've always felt that way but you're the first to articulate it so nicely for me :)
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Exit polls are part of the 3-part psychological whammy used against the American people: 1) manipulated public opinion polls pushed in our face every day to prepare our minds for a pre-determined result; 2) election day "exit polls" announced right as the polls close on the east coast, which prepare our minds for: 3) the computer-generated vote counts to be announced a few hours later. All three legs of the modern day "election process" are mysterious and COMPLETELY devoid of citizen checks and balances (excepting the Iowa caucuses, and excepting 70% of New Hampshire in the primary and general elections.)
We believe that what sparse exit poll activity there is constitutes mere window dressing which provides an excuse for the 4 Big TV Networks to project "winners" and "losers." The computer-generated vote counts, totally devoid of citizen checks and balances in 49 states, make the "exit poll results" come true a few hours later. (New Hampshire, the only hand counted state, is the one state in which the Big TV Networks have been unable to reliably project winners and losers on the basis of exit polls.)
It is urgent that our state legislatures, the Secretary of State in all 50 states, and the Election Board in all 3075 counties, return to easily read paper ballots counted by neighborhood voters, with the results posted at the neighborhood precinct before the ballots leave that precinct. In the year that this happens, the Big TV Network "exit poll" hoax will disappear like a bad dream in the light of morning. - Report filed August 1996 by Jim Condit Jr.
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To: dvanI may agree on some points with you- but the Libertarian party and the Reform Party almost got Algore elected!
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Another addition to the Clinton/Gore Legacy.
Never Forget !
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Every election I have seen virtually the same news reports about the same registration manipulation, in the same neighborhoods, by the same party; only the specifics seem to change.
Increasingly, middle of the road or conservative areas slide further leftward as a result of pre-election generation of ghost voters and the constant enrollment of new non-english-as-primary-language licensed driver/voters.
This is after all, California.
And, every post election summary, every learned discourse on the impact of the people's choices, lets the story die out as quickly as possible.
Next time 'round it all happens again.
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Of course, we all have to prioritize which problems, after our basic commitments to our God and family, that we can help with. But I don't see simply voting as something that can't make it on to almost anyone's priority list.
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For the past few weeks, I have been studying the CA state elections code and have found many gaping holes, BUT, IMHO, the largest is leaving enforcement to county and local authorities.
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