A woman who was later identified as nurse Rebecca
Anderson, fainted due to an injury sustained while
helping in the initial rescue Wednesday morning.
Anderson later died and was counted in the number
of lives claimed by the car bomb explosion.
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UNRESOLVED DEATHS IN OKLAHOMA
by Michael A. O'Camb
----for immediate distribution to the public --
In the first minutes and hours following the blasts that devastated the Alfred P. Murrah Federal Building in downtown Oklahoma City, the morning of April 19, 1995, a number of selfless individuals risked life and limb to rescue many of the victims. Among them were Oklahoma City police officers, Terrance Yeakey, Gordon Martin and Ken Griffin, a number of Oklahoma City firefighters, Dr. H. Don Chumley, G.S.A. employee Mike Loudenslager and others.
In the aftermath of the "bombing" the name Mike Loudenslager holds particular significance in the hearts of many families in and around Oklahoma City. And this is so, because of the forewarning he gave to a number of those who had children in the Murrah Building's day-care center. In the weeks preceding the bombing, G.S.A. employee, Michael Loudenslager, 48, became increasingly aware that large amounts of ordnance and explosives were in the building and strongly urged (along with the operator of the day-care center) a number of parents to take their children out of the Murrah Building.
This situation arose after other employees became concerned with an increased amount of ordnance (missiles) being brought into the building by the B.A.T.F. and D.E.A. As a result of this concern, a grievance was filed with G.S.A. by the building's security director. The result was, the man who'd complained lost his job there. Then, after the operator of the day-care center (the security director's wife) notified the fire marshals after some remodeling had been done (as her license required her to do), the fire marshals were denied access to do their inspection by federal agents and told to leave! And the day-care operator lost her contract.
As a result of this (fearing the worst with all the talk around town of a possible bombing), Mike Loudenslager and the day-care center operator then told many of the parents to get their children out. And, because of their warnings, far fewer children were in the day-care center on that horrible Wednesday morning than there otherwise would have been. A number of families, in and around Oklahoma City, have these two people to thank for their children's lives today.
Shortly after the bombing, Michael Loudenslager was actively helping in the rescue and recovery effort. A large number of those at the bomb-site either saw or talked with him. During the course of the early rescue efforts, however, Mike Loudenslager was seen and heard in a very "heated" confrontation with someone (there). Much of his anger stemmed from the fact he felt the B.A.T.F. was in large part responsible not only for the bombing, but for the death and inury to those inside, including all the children.
To the absolute astonishment of a large number of police officers and rescue workers, it was later reported that G.S.A. employee Mike Loudenslager's body had been found inside the Murrah Building the following Sunday, still at his desk, a victim of the 9:02 A.M. bombing! This, mind you, after he'd already been seen alive and well by numerous rescue workers at the bomb-site AFTER the bombing! He is also officially listed as one of the 168 bombing fatalities.
The question now becomes: Was he murdered and placed at his desk by federal agents? Or was he just simply murdered by them and SAID to have been found at his desk? Access to the inside of the building, from shortly after the bombing onward was extremely limited to nearly all but federal employees by the F.B.I.
His death is UNQUESTIONABLY the most important sidelight of the Oklahoma City bombing. Mike Loudenslager's murder, most assuredly was one of the major factors leading to the demise of both Dr. H. Don Chumley and later Terry Yeakey!
For whatever reason, the Oklahoma City Police Dept. has always down-played Officer Terry Yeakey's presence at the Murrah Building the morning of April 19, 1995, even though a large number of Oklahoma City police officers, firefighters, emergency personnel and survivors KNOW he played a much larger role in the early rescue-effort than he's given credit for.
In an effort to cover up Mike Loudenslager's murder and to intimidate others who were there early-on that morning, someone has taken out a number of internal witnesses. Dr. Don Chumley AND Terry Yeakey, both, besides being at the Murrah Building that morning, shared one other commonality. Each at the time of his "death" was attempting to deliver EVIDENCE concerning the fact Mike Loudenslager was alive and well AFTER the bombing, and also to get certain other facts out about the "bombing" as well.
In Terry Yeakey's case he thought he was delivering evidence andinformation to a multi-county task force who would help get the truth out That's how he was set-up. In Dr. Chumley's case, he was killed, some months earlier, when his personal jet aircraft "crashed" while attempting to do the same thing.
Were the deaths of Jack Colvert, Jackie Majors and Buddy Youngblood also directly related to the cover-up of Mike Loudenslager's murder? Each of them had been at the Murrah Building that morning and each had also seen Mike Loudenslager ALIVE and well after the bombing. Others who were there that morning have also felt threatened. Officer Gordon Martin, for one, feels at least two attempts on his life have been made. Other police officers and emergency services personnel fear for their personal safety as well.
And while all this goes on, the moguls of themajor-media remain silent! The so-called "fourth pillar of democracy" - the press - once again falls flat on its face, foresaking its sacred duty to REPORT THE NEWS. Remember, Hell is just as hot for those who go there for sins of OMISSION as those who go for sins of COMMISSION!.
Another interesting case of "suicide" in Oklahoma, since the bombing, is that of Kenneth Trentadue, who as the result of violating conditions of his parole in California, was re-incarcerated and sent to a federal (transfer) facility in Oklahoma. Mr. Trentadue, the brother of a prominent Salt Lake City, Utah attorney, supposedly committed suicide by hanging himself. But in actuality managed to commit a "suicide" very similar to Terry Yeakey's (minus the gunshot-wound-to-the-head). Only Kenneth Trentadue's was committed with knotted or "braided" bedsheet, barely long enough to fit around his neck in a "suicide-proof" prison cell.
THE SALT LAKE TRIBUNE later reported the trustees who cleaned Mr. Trentadue's cell after his "suicide" found copious amounts of blood inside. This included bloody fingerprints up a wall, to within a few inches of a "panic button" on or near the ceiling. This certainly is not consistent with hanging. When his family was contacted by prison officials and informed of his "suicide", they were asked if they wanted his remains cremated. They indicated they did not, and after a very difficult time and much red-tape, the body was finally shipped back to them.
Being very skeptical as to a suicide, family members removed the mortuary make-up and were shocked to find part of his skull crushed, his knuckles damaged, bruises, puncture-and-slash-wounds over a good portion of his body (including the soles of his feet) and his throat slashed. Boot heel marks were apparent around the right eye and on his chest. All evidence points to the fact Kenneth Trentadue was subdued after a fight - brutally beaten, tortured and murdered!
(Update: THE SALT LAKE TRIBUNE, Sat. July 11, 1998 - states M.E. says Trentadue death "suicide"!). This case is "supposedly" being looked into by U.S. Sen. Orrin Hatch. Former 7-term U.S. Rep. George Hansen of Idaho and his organization, The United States Citizens Human Rights Commission, IS, however, actively pursuing it. Former Rep. Hansen was himself unjustly convicted and imprisoned and spent a number of years literally as a political prisoner in the federal penal system until his case was finally decided by the U.S. Supreme Court.
Many Americans who are familiar with the Trentadue case see a chilling similarity between Officer Terry Yeakey's "suicide" and Kenneth Trentadue's. Especially when each occurred in such close proximity to the other, in and around El Reno and Oklahoma City, AFTER the bombing. Like Terry Yeakey, Kenneth Trentadue, (although smaller) was also a powerfully-built man. He lifted weights regularly, had a 19-inch neck and was a street-fighter with street savvy. In short, he knew how to take care of himself.
Many now wonder if Kenneth Trentadue might have had information regarding the Oklahoma City bombing, or its aftermath, that certain agents wanted him taken-out for. And many also wonder why a man re-incarcerated for violating his parole would REQUEST solitary confinement. What was Kenneth Trentadue afraid of?
Could the murder of Murrah Building G.S.A. employee Michael Loudenslager and the subsequent cover-up be the reason for (many of) the unresolved deaths in Oklahoma since the bombing? A growing number of Americans certainly think so.
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For those who want the truth....
Some more info that doesn't make the nightly news...
I know, they "just don't like to talk about certain stories..." and they don't like you talking about them, either--
And from what is readily apparent in US Congressman Trafficant's case, they tend to silence those who try to uncover the facts. If you saw the Jane Graham affidavit, she had handed over material to Congressman Trafficant for him to look into the bombing. What a coincidence that he is indicted on nebulous federal charges afterwards...
I recall that incident!
There isn't any cover up, just ask BATF _Jim. He will furnish
all the government documents you want to support the official lie
line.
This is very interesting but I would like to see other sources. Not that I doubt it but there are those who I'm sure will cast aspersions on your source.
WarHawk42
. . . . . and the STENCH keeps spreading. . .
Doc
I'm surprised that the tin foil crowd hasn't arrived yet. Probably just don't want to bump this one....
As far as other sources, it's not easy, as much of what had at one time been there no longer is, if you know what I mean.
And then there's the strange death of Laurence Martin, survivor of the Murrah blast, as written in the Daily Oklahoman.
An airplane crash in northwest Oklahoma City that killed a
survivor of the federal building bombing has been ruled a suicide,
the National Transportation Safety Board reported recently.
In its final report signed May 8, the agency said Laurence
Martin, a former U.S. Army recruiter in the Murrah Building,
intentionally flew his plane into the ground on Oct. 11, 1998,
killing himself.
Martin retired from the military after the bombing and was a
fifth-grade teacher in Edmond.
Investigators said they concluded Martin, 41, was upset over his
rejected proposal of marriage the day before by his girlfriend, who
was attending services in a church near the crash site at the time
of the incident.
Martin's former girlfriend, Cindy Coursey, said she didn't
reject Martin's proposal. She said the couple just decided to wait
to get married.
She said she believes the crash was caused by a stall that
forced Martin to point the nose of the airplane toward the ground
to regain speed. Martin was only 200 to 300 yards above the ground
at the time of the stall and couldn't recover, she said.
She said she refused to talk to investigators after other pilots
told her the agency "twists the truth."
Investigators said they found no engine or mechanical problems
with the rented plane.
The report also said a toxicology test showed traces of Valium
in Martin's kidney and liver tissue. An earlier report said the
Valium was likely taken by Martin to ease chronic back pain from
bombing injuries.
Witnesses said Martin taxied too fast before taking off from
Wiley Post Airport. The owner of the rented plane asked the control
tower to tell Martin to return to the airport.
Yeakey's strange death is covered HERE
In quick summary, the official story is that Yeakey decided for no real reason to kill himself, slashed his wrists and partially cut his own throat in his police car, then decided to get out of his patrol car and run a few hundred feet, then shoot himself in the head with a gun which was never found.
Yeakey's wife has stated in interviews that Yeakey, who was on the scene of the bombing within minutes, was injured while digging for survivors later in the day of the bombing and taken to Presbyterian Hospital. When Yealey's wife showed up at Presbyterian Hospital, Yealey told her he had been threatened to stay quiet about something he had seen and told her, "Get me out of this hospital, no matter what you have to do, get me out of here."
Supposedly, at the time of his death, Yeakey, who had an exemplary record as a law enforcement officer, was gathering evidence about the bombing. The manner of his death suggests that torture was used to extract the location of that evidence, which has never ben found.
One more point that needs to be made. Neither the DEA nor the BATF have legitimate jurisdiction to be handling or using explosives or missiles. BATF, as a part of the treasury department, is about enforcing the taxes levied on cigars, whisky, and rifles and guns. Missiles and bombs are munitions on which no taxes are levied and are outside the BATF's jurisdiction. There was no legitimate reason for the DEA or the BATF to have explosives at all, let alone explosives in the Murrah Building, and in any event, one of the unexploded bombs was found attached to the building gas main, proof that it was there by design.
Despite the BATF's lack of jurisdiction with explosives, the BATF was practicing making and detonating truck bombs in New Mexico during the fall of 1994. The man in charge of those experiments, BATF Special Agent Harry Everhart, just sorta happened to coincidentally be in Oklahoma City to witness the bombing of the Murrah Building, and supposedly because of his recent experience in New Mexico was able to report to authorities that a truck bomb and only a truck bomb was the cause of the blast before any piece of the truck had even yet been found, or the interior of the Murrah Building had been examined. SA Everhart's prescience is matched only by that of the other BATF agents on the scene, who according to witness Tiffany Bible were telling everyone that the building was bombed "because of Waco" before Tim McVeigh had even been arrested.
"And then there's the strange death of Laurence Martin, survivor of the Murrah blast, as written in the Daily Oklahoman. "
And don't forget Robert Miller (the FBI infornmant who founded and ran Elohim City) who died at a most convenient time for the government a week and a half ago, supposedly of a heart attack.
With McVeigh officially or actaully dead it is probably too late for this to be of any real value.
However, it would be good if you or some other could enter some compiled evidence into the record. So far it looks like opinion, but it is an opinion shared by not just a few.
Witnesses said Martin taxied too fast before taking off from Wiley Post Airport. The owner of the rented plane asked the control tower to tell Martin to return to the airport.
Sounds like someone may have tampered with the throttle linkage.
I'm surprised that the tin foil crowd hasn't arrived yet. Probably just don't want to bump this one....
I'm surprised BATF _Jim hasn't showed up with all his "official" government documents. I'm sure they have a cover story for all of this.
As far as other sources, it's not easy, as much of what had at one time been there no longer is, if you know what I mean.
Yes I do know what you mean.
WarHawk42
With McVeigh officially or actaully dead it is probably too late for this to be of any real value.
It is never too late to arrest those who ordered the bombing, and it is not too late to find out why and how the news agencies have been silenced on these topics.
However, it would be good if you or some other could enter some compiled evidence into the record. So far it looks like opinion, but it is an opinion shared by not just a few.
Here's a link to something that can't be dismissed as opinion..
Oklahoma City Bombing Cover-Up
There are just too many convenient coincidences to be believable. You would have to be an idiot not to see a connection. We truly live in a police state and it is getting more so every day. Every federal law that is passed is another assault on freedom.
WarHawk42
Very convenient for those who later ask, "Where's all the evidence?", or "Why haven't any witnesses come forward?"..
There isn't as much evidence as before because it's been shredded and destroyed, and the witnesses have been executed (in more than just the case of McVeigh)..
Here's one on Terrence Yeakey
bump
Excellent info, thank you..
Well, I don't know about all of these "murder" stories, but I always believed that McVeigh's fertilizer bomb was incapable of the damage seen at Murrah. I still vividly recall seeing a seismograph from somewhere which showed two spikes. This fits with the cache of explosives the BATF supposedly had in the building.
I don't believe there is a governmental conspiracy here; but I do believe the BATF realized that its cached ordinance caused a great deal of damage and death. At the risk of embarrasment to the bureau, BATF decided to cover things up. It all fits.
Whether they stooped to murder, who knows. I believe them capable of it.
You do know that they had discovered at least 2 other unexploded bombs using military type explosives on the day of the bombing, don't you? They were dismantled by a bomb squad at the scene.
Incidently, the Ryder truck didn't cause the all of the damage to the building. It may have blown out windows, but didn't cause the structural damage to the Murrah building. There was NO crater at the scene, which is readily apparent on video footage taken shortly after the explosion. The government later claimed there to be a 32 foot wide crater, and placed wooden planks over it....
They had to claim that there was a crater of that size in order to add some legitimacy to their claims that the truck caused all of the damage...
BOOKMARKED! BUMP...
Here's one on Trentadue Though the name is Jesse, not Kenneth. It seems to be about the same person??
My mistake. Jesse is the brother and trying to get to find out what happend. I hadn't read enough of the article. Looks like a good read though!
Thanks for your efforts.
Only shills and the uninformed continue to think McVeigh did this horror alone with the anfo truck bomb. Actually, make that the uninformed only. The shills know the truth. It's their job to try to demonize anyone who has discovered enough truth that does not match up with the "official" story and who dares to try to convince others.
Thanks again for your efforts to keep trying.
And don't miss part 2 at the bottom. Trentadue2
Among the others to add to the list....
He's dead, but the complete "who dunnit" remains unresolved. Ever hear of Brig. Gen. Benton Partin? Ever read the report
he submitted to U.S. Sen. Don Nickles (R-Okla.)? It's very interesting. Short version: one 4000+ lbs. ANFO bomb could not
have done the damage to Murrah, that was done. There had to be other bombs planted in the bldg.
Ever read the report of Dr. William Whitehurst? Former director of the FBI Crime Lab? Ever read why he resigned? Short
version: the FBI crime lab backed its way into the conclusion that McVeigh and Nichols acted alone in planning and
executing the bombing. Much evidence was cast aside and disregarded.
Ever hear about how McVeigh was nabbed? He was driving a hooptie, sans tags, on I-45, heading north out of OKC shortly
after the explosion. He had all sorts of incriminating evidence on his person, and in the old station wagon he was driving. So,
he was smart enough to plan and carry out the worst terrorist act in US history, but not smart enough to plan the get away.
Come on.
Ever hear of Carol Elizabeth Howe? The ATF informant at Elohim City? She reported to her ATF "handlers" in Tulsa, in
December 1994 (4 mos. before the bombing), that she had driven to Murrah with Andreas Strassmeier and Dennis Mahon,
and that they were clearly "casing" the joint as a potential bomb site. ATF agents were conspicuously absent from their
offices in Murrah at 9 a.m., on April 19, 1995.
Ever hear of Mickey Maroney? Mick was a Secret Service agent, assigned to the White House till January
1995, when he was transferred to Murrah for reasons not made clear to him. His niece called me after I gave a
radio interview in Columbus, Ohio, in 1997, discussing my book "Circle of Death." She said, "Uncle Mickey
gathered his family together in late January and told them he'd heard, thru the grapevine, that someone was
planning to bomb the building where he worked (Murrah). He told them he'd bought two new term life policies,
just in case. He had a bad feeling about his transfer. He said, 'maybe I just know too much.'" Maroney was
killed in the explosion on April 19, 1995.
Just thought you might be interested in some of this.
***** *****
A woman who was
later identified as nurse
Rebecca
Anderson,
fainted due to an injury
sustained while
helping in
the initial rescue
Wednesday morning.
Anderson later died and
was counted in the
number
of lives claimed
by the car bomb
explosion.
Yep. Trentadue supposedly beat himself up then committed suicide.
From the second link:
A source close to the case said recently that the family members have succeeded in obtaining the cooperation of a former federal employee who was working at the Federal Transportation Center on the evening of August 21, 1995, when guards claimed that prisoner Kenneth M. Trentadue first beat then hung himself in a suicide-proof isolation cell on the 7th floor of the center.
The source claims that the witness, who worked with a guard who was previously accused of murder by a former cop interviewed by the FBI, is now prepared to confirm that the guard did indeed leave his assigned post on the 2nd floor of the center at about 12:30 a.m. on the morning of August 21, 1995, in order to assist with subduing Trentadue on the 7th floor. The witness has reportedly told investigators that the accused guard returned to his post bloody and obviously disheveled.
Someone ran exactly the same nonsense on a thread a week ago. These stories are very distorted.
Terry Yeakey committed suicide in May 1996, just a few days before he was to receive a hero's medal. He had never recovered from the trauma of pulling the dead and dying from the rubble; his marriage had crumbled, he had written to friends about his mental problems, etc. He drove his car to a field near his boyhood home, slashed his wrists and then shot himself. He left a suicide note. There is no doubt that it was suicide. There has never been any hint that he had any sort of evidence about the cause of explosion, much less that he was trying to deliver evidence to someone.
Dr. Don Chumley, the osteopath who pronounced so many babies dead at the Murrah Bldg, was killed flying his own plane, alone, home from a hunting trip in New Mexico. His plane crashed about dusk, in fog, just a few minutes after leaving an airport, and, again, there has never been a suggestion of foul play, and again, there has never been a suggestion that he had any sort of evidence about the cause of the explosion much less was trying to deliver evidence to someone. (And who is this someone that Yeakey and Chumley were supposed to deliver evidence to??).
Mike Loudenslager is a different story; he apparently was across the street, according to a couple of eyewitnesses, in the federal courthouse, at the moment of the explosion. One (and only one) person thinks he heard (but did not actually see) Loudenslager after the blast (Loudenslager had a distinctive Southern accent), but Loudenslager's body was found in the rubble three days after the blast; there's no news report saying exactly where Loudenslager's body was found in relation to his desk, and nobody claims that Loudenslager predicted the explosion and the ATF & DEA deny having brought live explosives into the Murrah Bldg (and if they had, the explosions would have been very different indeed, for example the ATF was on the top floor and on the south side of the bldg).
Here's the governments VERSION (barf alert)
VII.False Statements by BOP and FBI Employees
We concluded that three BOP employees and one FBI employee made false statements under oath to their supervisors, to various investigators, or to the OIG in this matter. We referred this matter to the Public Integrity Section of the Department of Justice. After its review, it declined prosecution because of lack of “prosecutive merit.” However, we believe these false statements constituted serious misconduct, and have referred the matter to the BOP and FBI for appropriate action.
The FBI/OKC misplaced the negatives of FTC photographs taken of Trentadue’s body and the cell on the morning of August 21. The FBI/OKC did not document its receipt of these negatives, and the FBI could not find the negatives for several years. As a result, various investigators and forensic experts were unable to use the negatives to make enlargements or enhancements of these critical pictures of the cell and Trentadue’s body. In March 1999, when the FBI/OKC was moving offices, the negatives were found in a moving box. The FBI/OKC also did not document its receipt and handling of other photographs, such as Polaroid photographs taken by the FTC of Trentadue’s body in the infirmary on August 21. These photographs were also misplaced. Post-autopsy photographs taken by the FBI at the MEO on August 21 were also not properly documented and were temporarily misplaced.
Where have we heard this before?!
And who is this someone that Yeakey and Chumley were supposed to deliver evidence to??.
Now that's the million dollar question, isn't it?
You care to debunk the rest of the "suicides" and "accidents" as well as those you mention?
Where have we heard this before?!
Not from anby of the following:
Michael Loudenschlager +
Dr. H Don Chumley, M.D. +
Officer Terry Yeakey +
Jack Colvert +
Jackie Majors +
Kenneth Trentadue +
Laurence Martin +
Mickey Maroney +
Rebecca Anderson +
Ted Richardson +
Carol Khalil +
Michael Brescia ?
Don, for all I know, the info on the missles is disinfo. It could just be mixed into this story to discredit the facts surrounding Loudenslager's death.
One thing I've found by poking around the net for info on Loudenslager. There was a Jody Loudenslager on the list of casualties on TWA 800. Wonder if there was any relation.
Bold off..
Anderson later died and was counted in the number of lives claimed by the car bomb explosion.
How'd she die?
"There is no doubt that it was suicide. "
Obviously, that is not a true statement. A lot of people have doubts it was really a suicide.
What else did you lie about?
Apparently nobody who actually knew Yeakey doubted it was a suicide. He went to considerable efforts to do himself in. He had driven his own car, slashed his wrists (blood all over the seat of his car and his clothes), and when that wasn't fast enough, shot himself. I have no idea who are the "lot" who think it was murder but I suspect they didn't bother to examine his case closely.
Rebecca Anderson was a rescue worker helping pull the living and dead out of the rubble. It appears that a loose chunk of masonry fell on her and struck her in the head, causing a fatal concussion. As she didn't arrive at the scene until after the explosion, I don't see how she might have any special knowledge about the cause of the blast.
Look who has crawled out from under his rock again. Ready to answer my questions from previous threads DonQ? Or are you just going to play hit and run (emphasis on RUN) again...JFK
"There is no doubt that it was a suicide" - re: Terrence Yeakey. Such comments do not mesh with this information from the linked information (from above):
"Canadian County Sheriffs discovered the abandoned car, filled with blood, about two and-a-half miles from the old El Reno reformatory. The OCPD was notified, and Police Chief Sam Gonzales flew out by chopper. Using dogs, they followed a trail of blood, and found the body in a ditch, about a mile and-a- half from the car. (Legg reported the body was 1/2 mile south of the car, when in fact it was 1 1/2 miles north-east of the car.)
Apparently Yeakey had tried to cut himself in the wrists, neck, and throat, then, after losing approximately two pints of blood, got out of his car (remembering to lock the doors), walked a mile and-a-half over rough terrain, crawled under a barbed-wire fence, waded through a culvert, then lay down in a ditch and shot himself in the head [9]. As is this weren't strange enough, Yeakey's blood-related condition would have made him too weak to walk the mile and-a-half from his car to where his body was found--especially after losing two to three pints of blood.
Nevertheless, the OCPD ruled it a suicide on the spot. Their investigation remained sealed. This reporter was unable to obtain it, and not even the family was allowed to see it.
The ex-wife, the girlfriend, Yeakey's mother are among those who do not believe Terrence Yeakey committed suicide. There are plenty of "doubts". Your statement does not match up with reality.
Not even a nice try.
How is it that people who might know things which don't comport with the official government spin end up dead? (Yeakey, the stripper girl, Robert Jacques...) Well, except for Andy Strassmeier.
OK, let's do it your way: All those people arrived at the scene AFTER the explosion, when it was nothing but rubble, possibly with a fire still raging in the street where the rented truck had been parked. They all pulled the dead and dying out of the rubble. But none of them were there when McV parked the truck or when it exploded. So what extraordinary secret could they have been privy to, especially since there were literally hundreds of people crawling through the wreckage doing pretty much the same sort of search and rescue?
"Their investigation remained sealed."
Anyone notice how common that phrase is when we're talking about the OKC bombing? Why is so much of the evidence from this case "sealed?"
As to Don Q.'s preposterous conclusion that there could be no doubt Yeakey's death was a suicide, what can be said that wouldn't get me kicked off of Free Republic? I don't know Don is a government shill as some have claimed. But from where I sit, he's either a shill, or a complete dupe, capable of buying low-lying waterfront property or bridges in NY state if a government source offers them. Either way, how can anyone read what he just wrote and give credence to anything he ever says again?
"So what extraordinary secret could they have been privy to..."
Maybe it's what this woman saw on the 18th and the 19th before the building was blown up.
Eyewitness accounts `before' the bombing strongly suggest that demolition charges were placed elsewhere. On the Friday before the bombing several persons at the Murrah building saw three men (they took for maintenance or utility workers) "working" in a reserved area of the underground parking structure. These men had what appeared to be a set of plans or "blue prints," telephone wire and a large block of "clay." When the three men noticed they were being observed by one of the employees, JANE GRAHAM, a federal government employee of the Department of Housing and Urban Development (H.U.D), situated in the Murrah building, they themselves began to act somewhat suspiciously.
Hmm, maybe it had to do with strange, undetonated things taped to the building supports?
So what extraordinary secret could they have been privy to, especially since there were literally hundreds of people crawling through the wreckage doing pretty much the same sort of search and rescue?
a) There were other bombs discovered.
b) The Ryder truck explosion didn't cause most of the damage, as there were lamp posts, washbasins, and other objects closer to where the truck was than the Murrah Building. Strangely, there was little or no damage to those objects. They were later removed.
c) The fact that there was no bomb crater where the Ryder truck exploded. Later the Feds would claim a 32 foot wide 8 foot deep crater.
d) They were receiving eyewitness reports as to what really happened.
And MOST importantly, they witnessed a coverup in action, and made the mistake of asking the wrong people the wrong questions...
RE: Your post #29, I've heard most of that, except for the info on Mickey Maroney. Seems like the Clinton administration had a knack for sending Secret Service agents (and Marine guards) which served in the WH into situations where they ended up getting killed.
#46: Well I guess we won't ever know, will we?
The only indication is that Mr. Yeakey found indications that "it was not what they say it is."
Now - do you want to repeat your comment that there is no question Mr. Yeakey committed suicide again?
Are you contending that somehow these people, including the osteopath, who arrived on the scene AFTER the explosion somehow "saw" something that happened days before? That's creepy.
As for the suggestion about things closer to the bomb than the Murrah Building ... the truck was parked at the curb, and according to very thorough diagrams in the FEMA book on the bombing, was only about 10 feet from the outer surface of the wall of the building, leaving a crater with a radius of about 15 feet that came up to within about half-a-foot of the base of the nearest interior column. There wasn't anything nearer the bomb than that building! And there was a radius of destruction on the other side of the truck, partially demolishing buildings and killing people on the other side of the street, which could not possibly be caused by a bomb inside the Murrah Bldg. What is your source for the story about things "nearer" the bomb??
Yeakey very obviously was traumatized, mentally and physically (he suffered a serious back injury, I think the result of trying to climb through the Murrah Bldg wreckage), had written letters about his deteriorating mental state, had his marriage collapse in the year following the explosion, and so forth. None of the news reports suggested he was murdered ... and if he was, we pay our CIA operatives to do a much neater job (as Yeakey was a cop, it would have been easier for a govt assassin to bump off Yeckey while he was on duty and make it look like part of another crime).
" Are you contending that somehow these people, including the osteopath, who arrived on the scene AFTER the explosion somehow "saw" something that happened days before? That's creepy. "
No, don't be ridiculous. I'm contending that some of the charges did not go off, and were found later. Some of these people might have seen these. We have videos of the news reports to prove it: it was not only reported, but verified by the DOJ that at least two such devices were found in the building after the first bombs went off. (Using plural on purpose.) These devices were even larger than the first.
I'm also contending that conversations between BATF, FBI and others were most likely overheard. The BATF and FBI had to know what was going to happen that day, long before it happened. We know this from the warnings given out to not only the BATF but Judge Alley and perhaps others. What is known, what is fact, is that children from ATF parents, children who were normally in the daycare center every day, were not there that day.
I would also contend that one or more of these people who might have been foolish enough to comment on the lack of a crater might have drawn unwanted attention from people who didn't want that "little" fact to be known.
Gee, Don Q., there's lots that could have gotten someone in trouble with the people who didn't then--and don't now--want the facts of this case to be known.
"Apparently nobody who actually knew Yeakey doubted it was a suicide."
This too is a lie. His wife doubts it was a suicide. And if you recall, the government also insisted that Vince Foster's death was a suicide and that nobody who knew him doubted it was a suidide. Later on, it was revealed that the FBI was using fraud to manufacture Lisa Foster's identification of the gun found with the body, and that people who knew Foster did indeed doubt it was a suicide, and for that matter so did Webb Hubbell.
Now then, supposedly Yeakey slashed both wrists. Unless you're a surgeon working carefully, slashing the wrists deep enough to open up the veins also slashes the tendons that control the fingers. So, once Yeakey slashed his left wrist, he could not use the lefthand to slash his right wrist. Likewise, wth both wrists slashed, how could he then slash his own throat, or pull the trigger of the gun which shot him in the head? Finally, where IS the gun that he was shot with? It's a cinch Yeakey himself didn't go hide it someplace after it was fired. Recoil might throw it a few feet, but a metal detector would have no trouble locating it.
Doubt about suicide is built right into the law. All deaths are legally presumed homicide until proven suicide. All the declarations of suicide by a government with zero credibility to begin with do not erase a doubt of suicide.
You may legitmatly claim that you have no doubt Yeakey died of a suicide, but do not presume to decide for everyone else that there is no doubt of a suicide. Nobody put you in charge of what everyone else thinks.
Apparently nobody who actually knew Yeakey doubted it was a suicide. He went to considerable efforts to do himself in.
July 3, 1998, KAKC- Radio AM-1300 [Tulsa] The Talk of Tulsa show, hosted by Ken Rank. His guest
side-kick was
Craig Roberts, interviewing Tonya Yeakey, ex wife of murdered OKC police officer Terry Yeakey:
(CR]Basically, cutting to the chase here. Then, he called you again and said he was being followed and he had to shake the people
following him and did he describe them as, what did he say? Feds?
(TY)- Yes.
(CR)- Feds are following me. I gotta shake ‘em and I'll see you later. And he never came back. And that was on what day?
(TY)- That was on the morning of the 8th.
(CR)-That was the morning of the 8th, and in the afternoon, they found him?
(TY)- Early afternoon.
(CR)- Of that day?
(TY)- Of that day. Pretty quick finding considering the location being out near Fort Reno in a field (abrupt laughter) I thought
they did some impressive investigative work there (snide tone).
(CR)- In police work, we would assume that came from an anonymous informant calling a dispatcher and saying ‘There's a
dead guy in a field.'
(TY)- Yeah. And I heard that was what occurred, but nobody is ‘fessing up. The car itself was filled with so much blood that
apparently when they did open the doors, it just spilled out all over the place. It was on the driver's side, on the passenger side, in
the back of the car, had even filtered down into the cracks of the window. It was an enormous amount of blood.
(CR)- So, somebody was trying to put up a struggle.
(TY)- Yes.
(CR)- Now, that can't be because I'm looking at the Medical Examiner's drawings here, Tonia, and it says ‘superficial cuts on
the wrists'. Superficial means very shallow.
(TY)- Right.
(CR)- Now, we'll get into that. Right? This gets more bizarre, folks. This really gets bizarre. Ok, so take it from there, the car
had the blood in it and then what happened?
(TY)- Right. There was so much blood in the car, but at the scene where his body was found, there was very little blood. Ok? I
don't know if everybody knows, but his wrists were slit, his upper arms at the bend of the elbow were slit, and then of course his
jugular was slit, in 2 different places. In addition to the angle shot of the gun-shot wound to the head.
(CR)- Ok. Now what kind of gun did they find at the scene?
(TY)- They will not state what type of gun. Because it was not his gun.
(CR)- Now, the way I get the story here recently is, I won't say the source, but you know who it is,
(TY)- Yes.
(CR)- was that, and I didn't know this until the last couple of days, was that there was no gun found at the scene for at least an
hour as the deputies and El Reno police were searching the area. And obviously they are very incompetent because when the FBI
showed up a little later, they found one with a couple of minutes.
(TY)- Uh-Yes. (laughs).
(CR)- It sounds like a ‘Vince Foster' deal to me.
The murder victim's ex-wife certainly has her doubts that Terry Yeakey's death was a suicide. And the claim that she felt otherwise is a lie.
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"(CR)- was that, and I didn't know this until the last couple of days, was that there was no gun found at the scene for at least an hour as the deputies and El Reno police were searching the area. And obviously they are very incompetent because when the FBI showed up a little later, they found one with a couple of minutes."
Sort of like how the Manlicher Carcano rifle didn't have any fingerprints on it until the FBI lab (which we now know for a fact rigs its lab tests) suddenly discovered an entire palm print of Oswald's on the barrel.
Sort of like how the Manlicher Carcano rifle didn't have any fingerprints on it until the FBI lab (which we now know for a fact rigs
its lab tests) suddenly discovered an entire palm print of Oswald's on the barrel.
And sort of like the way that Dallas sheriff's investigators couldn't find a rifle at all, until BATF [then called ATTU] Agent Frank Ellsworth showed up to *help them find it.* It seems there were several BATF agents around the area of the book depository, who'd identified themselves as *secret service agents* to any witnesses or local cops who got too interested in the two men- one of whom may have been wearing a Dallas policeman's uniform- who'd been behind the nearby fence, then left via the ATSF railroad switching yeard behind the depository.
Interestingly, that seems to be one of the things david Koresh had been nosing into as well, apparantly stockpiling information to use if the BATF tried to frame him. He underestimated them, it seems....
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Great find!
I still haven't seen a scrap of evidence - not only from all the newsclippings about their deaths but also from whatever postings are put up by Freepers - that show that either Yeakey or Chumley were in possession of some secret info that they were about to share with some (still unidentified) investigation. Chumley was killed (about six months after the bombing) flying his own airplane back from a hunting trip on a Sunday night ... not going to meet some investigator. Yeakey killed himself fully 13 months after the Murrah bombing ... and without having mentioned to anybody any peculiarity about the bombing. No investigative agency ever reported hearing or expecting to hear from them (was it the same mythical investigation that was supposedly expecting to hear from Chumley on a Sunday night and fully seven months later waiting to hear from Yeakey??). And whoever posted that nonsense about some streetlamp and other stuff being closer to the truck than the Murrah Bldg has yet to offer any corroboration.
Richard Williams - Direct
situation was, but that's the only thing I remember to that point.
Q. Do you remember seeing your left arm?
Q. And you said that he carried you out of the building?
Q. So did Officer Yeakey carry you out of the building,
Mr. Williams?
Mr. Williams was one of 13 employees in the GSA Admin
office. Two from that office reportedly died in the bombing. Mike Loudenslager was one of the two. The full
transcript of Mr. Williams testimony is compelling.
Still looking for any information on Jackie Majors,
Jack Colvert, and John A."Buddy" Youngblood.
A. I remember seeing my left arm. I recognized the pink shirt
that I had on that morning with my watch.
A. I don't know how he got me out from under where I was
buried. I just remember him carrying me to what would have
been Mr. Rogers' office, the window mullions, and at that point
asking me if I could walk, and I tried. I could not, so he
picked me up at that point. Next thing I remember was being
laid on a backboard out on the street and someone talking over
me, asking me things.
A. That's correct.
Q. How much did you weigh at that time?
A. About 220 pounds.
He drove his car to a field near his boyhood home, slashed his wrists and then shot himself. He left a suicide note. There is no doubt that it was suicide. There has never been any hint that he had any sort of evidence about the cause of explosion, much less that he was trying to deliver evidence to someone.
You left out the part about his body being found a significant distance from the vehicle. ( some reports indicate as much as a mile) Was the handgun recovered?
"never been any hint" - this is a ridiculous statement if you are familiar with the case.
So you are either here to provide disinformation or you need to go back and research Terrance Yeakey's heroic story further. I suggest you start with the trial transcript describing Terrance Yeakey's rescue efforts in Mike Loudenslager's office and go from there. You bring discredit upon yourself by describing this hero's death a suicide. Talk to his family if you want the facts and maybe you will cease the disinformation.