IN NEW YORK CITY, Muslims can
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IN NEW YORK CITY, Muslims can pray in public schools. Christians can’t. Muslims can assemble in school auditoriums, during school hours, and pray. Christians cannot.
So says the New York Post, in a Dec.1, 2000 article titled, “Muslim Kids Get To Pray In School For Ramadan,” by Carl Campanile. This article didn’t make it far in the national news. I found it referenced in a rather obscure Christian newspaper out of Fort Worth, Texas, The Hour of Prophecy.
I thought, “Are these Texans the only people that care? How could this situation not make national headlines?” It marks one of the most dramatic inconsistencies of Constitutional interpretation in recent history.
At Lafayette High School, in Bensonhurst, in Brooklyn Technical & International in Queens, and in other Brooklyn schools, Muslim students are allowed to assemble and worship publicly in school auditoriums or makeshift prayer rooms during the regular school day.
At Lafayette, “The school lets us do our own prayer. It’s beautiful,” said Umit Kulug, a 17-year-old senior from Turkey, according to the Post. “They let one hundred of us boys and girls pray together in a big auditorium. Some of the non-Islamic students get a pass to watch us pray.” Kulig said teachers help students catch up on what they missed in class.
On the other hand, the Post notes, a Bensonhurst school mural dedicated to youths who had died was painted over just a few weeks before Ramadan, because it featured Jesus Christ.
Christmas songs heralding the name of Christ are not allowed in public schools. There cannot be Bible reading or Christian prayer, because this violates the separation of church and state.
The First Amendment reads: “Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof.” Americans disagree on what this means. Chief Justice Rehnquist has opined that, “There is simply no historical foundation for the proposition that the Framers [of the Constitution] intended to build a wall of separation [between church and state].” (Wallace v. Jafree, 1985)
On the other hand, the Supreme Court ruled in 1962 that school prayer violated the Constitution. But how did any of this ever come to mean that Muslims can worship in public schools, but Christians can’t?
There is more.
In 1998, Tibetan monks conducted Tantric Buddhist devotionals in the public schools of Grand County, Utah, according to reports by the Jefferson 21st Century Institute. Two California school districts have introduced New Age curricula honoring Lucifer, God of Light.
Liberal authorities seem to show unlimited compassion for anything that is foreign to America’s foundational values. Is this the intent of the Constitution? If Christian worship in public schools is prohibited because it would be considered the state’s “respecting an establishment of religion,” then why doesn’t the same logic apply to the Muslim, Buddhist, New Age or Satanist religions?
Ralph Waldo Emerson considered a foolish consistency “the hobgoblin of little minds.” Recently, the Supreme Court took a step in the direction of Emersonian large-mindedness. On the front page of the Dallas Morning News, June 12, Mark Curriden reports that the U.S. Supreme Court “clarified a murky area of constitutional law involving the separation of church and state.” In “Justices Say Religious Clubs Can Meet At Public Schools,” Curriden seems to laud the court decision [Monday, June 11] that allows church groups to use public school facilities, so long as the meetings are open to the public.
The decision directly affects a situation in Dallas. The Dallas Independent School District had heretofore refused to let church groups use school facilities, rejecting more than 70 such requests just last year. Now the DISD is reversing its policy, and will allow churches, like any other civic group, to use school buildings.
So, we have Muslims allowed to worship in school, during school hours, and now Christian church groups can at least use the school buildings – after hours. It’s not exactly equality, but that has to be some kind of step in the right direction, no? Well, leave it to those freedom-loving Texans to at least report this news as well.
Don’t worry. I’m not going to advocate the peyote cult of my Comanche ancestor Mumsekai for public school practice. We Indians are much more reserved about our religious beliefs. I just think America needs to remember the principles it was built on. And I don’t think Islam, New Age-ism or Buddhism were among them.
Dr. David A. Yeagley will begin teaching humanities at the College of Liberal Studies, University of Oklahoma in the fall. His opinions are independent. He holds degrees from Yale, Emory, Oberlin, University of Arizona and University of Hartford. He is a member of the Comanche Tribe, Lawton, OK. For more information on Dr. Yeagley's initiative to teach patriotism in the schools, click here. E-mail him at badeagle2000@yahoo.com.
Just yesterday I happened past the local elementary synogague of satan and they have erected a 12ft totem-pole type of statue, I didn't stop to read the entire placard but it was something about local indian tribes (gone 200 years ago) "spirit of -----."
Now who can argue with a nice freindly spirit god guiding the little ones through their summer vacation?
Hand out a bible though and everyone from the ACLU to Wicca will file a lawsuit against you...
The government schools, as currently constituted and run, are not workable as truly educational institutions. Don't bother trying to save them. Flee them. Nevertheless, when people talk about school vouchers, they always focus on the economic competition, costs per pupil, quality of teaching, etc. What they never mention, and what many only subliminally realize, is that the competition would occur in content, as well. Only then, perhaps, might the content of WHAT is taught in government schools change, in response to consumer demand. But I suspect they would rather just die a long slow atheistic death. That would be fine by me.
the local elementary synogague of satan
I thought synogagues were Jewish. Is
that what you mean?
The situation seems to be as odd as he describes it. The schools cut slack for Muslims but not Baptists, because the Muslims are a "minority." But Baptists ARE a minority in Dallas County.... Oh, you mean they are NOT a minority even though they are not even the largest religious group in the city. It is because they are PERCEIVED as a majority, even though they are numerically a minority. yeah, let's not bring math into the picture, shall we-- except the fuzzy kind that says that 2 + 2 is whatever one wants to make of it.
Yes, the "Seperation of Church and State" is a fiction created by 20th century atheists who desired to reduce the presence of the Christianity in our society. The Liberals picked up that ball and ran with it because they know that the strongest opposition to them comes from the various Christian Churches. The fiction of Seperation of Church and State is nothing more than a tool to erode the opposition.
A few years back in San Jose, California, a manger scene was forcibly removed from public property, tho it had been privately funded. Two weeks later, a statue of Quetzalcoatl, an Aztec god, was raised with public funds, supposedly because it honored Mexican culture. Naturally, the ACLU and other Liberal running dog groups did not bat an eye at that.
Good article, written by a wiseman!!!
The government schools, as currently constituted and run, are not workable as truly educational institutions. Don't bother trying to save them. Flee them.
I believe this has been the case for many years. My son will never see the inside of a public school.
Schools Harass Christians, Coddle Other Faiths
Typical, wouldn't you say?
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the local elementary synogague of satan
I thought synogagues were Jewish. Is that what you mean?
He/she is most likely using sarcasm to describe to local school. I agree.
NO OFFENSE to any Jewish brethern out there.
Just used the word as a place of worship, congregation if you will, a gathering place. It is just the local public elementary skool.
It sounds like a simple and straightforward case to make. Why hasn't anyone gone to court?
Correct sir see #12.
This is an example of why Christians should NOT place any trust in the constitution. Communist Russia had freedom of religion in their constitution. It didn't do them much good. Constitutional rights are worthless in the hands of a sinful nation. Period. Time to prepare.
It could be a pattern of what to do with a similar Christian service. Make it a special event in a special room and invite anyone who wants to visit, to come.
Naa. That would be too easy.
Prepare for what? To overthrow the government by force?
In Russia, they didn't have an independent judiciary and they didn't have open elections or freedom of speech, freedom of the press, etc. You've got tools Russians didn't have. Use them.
What freedom of speech and what freedom of the press. Hell, you can get kicked our of schools and other organizations for making a politically incorrect statement. And, the media is controlled in this country--big time.
out--not our
In Russia, they didn't have an independent judiciary and they didn't have open elections or freedom of speech, freedom of the press, etc. You've got tools Russians didn't have. Use them.
I don't believe we have half the freedoms you point out. I think we did at one time, but that time has passed.
Can you be specific? I mean, you could be right but it's very hard to know what to think if you don't give me a specific case to mull over.
Who controls the media, and -- more importantly, _how_ do they control it? BTW: I'm not challenging your claim. Just looking for clarification.
Well be correct about it for gosh sakes. A worship place of Satan is a temple. A synagogue is a type of temple as well, but one dedicated to the worship of Yaweh.
Precision is important in these things.
:-)
I don't believe we have half the freedoms you point out.
I think we did at one time, but that time has passed.
And the erosion continues.
I'll tell it straight when everyone else does.
It rhymes well.
A constitution in the hands of an evil people is worthless. Our "independant" judiciary has already thrown prayer and the Ten Commandments out of schools. It is time to prepare to be on the receiving end of persecution. That means suffering for Christ, not fighting a revolution to recover "our rights".
Bless you.
Two weeks later, a statue of Quetzalcoatl, an Aztec god, was raised with public funds, supposedly because it honored Mexican culture.
That "thing" which looks like a gigantic dog dropping cost the taxpayers $200,000. It is a pile of cheap cement. I couldn't believe it when I saw it with my own eyes--it was no piece of art--it was a piece of....!
Schools Harass Christians, Coddle Other Faiths
Typical, wouldn't you say?
Yes, but quite in accordance with Biblical prophecy, wouldn't you say?
Since when is America a "Christian nation"? There were more athiests, sceptics and deists among the founders than you'd find at a wiccan retreat or ACLU meeting. If those guys had wanted to make a theocracy, they were smart enough to put it in the constitution. They didn't. Who are you to improve on that?
Did you mean to reply to me? If so, you will have to explain a little more clearly, what your objection is to what I said. Is the term Biblical prophecy what is bothering you? I wasn't necessarily referring to America, but to attitudes in the end times according to Biblical prophecy.
However, given your 'nick', maybe you are just being plain nasty.
"synagogue of satan" is a Biblical term
I'm sorry you are not familiar with it, but then again, our society is rather Biblically illiterate.
By the way, it's not a slam against Jewish people.
You may have stumbled upon the wrong website, what with your moniker and rather sweeping statements.
You may find that playing hardball at this particular site requires facts, and if one doesn't arm oneself with them before entering the arena....
America's government is based on Christian principles in this way: it acknowledges the "fallen nature" of mankind.
How so? By the fact that the government was split into three different branches: leg., ex. and judic.
If the Founding Fathers thought that humanity was 'naturally good', they would not have bothered to do this.
A king or a dictator or an emperor otherwise would have been just fine.
How right yoyu are. What a shame the 'govt.' can treat us as they do when it comes to out faith.
"If you have no sword...sell your cloak and buy one"...
Its hard to spin those words, apparently Jesus intended for believers NOT to flee, but to FIGHT !
The time of persecution draws near. It is not a matter of if, but when. Everyone of us has an option in facing the persecution...as a sheep or a lion.
Jesus and his followers although meek in nature, and "somewhat" mild in conduct nevertheless showed courage and agggression when confronted with the forces of evil.
The example for conduct is there, the only question is "just how committed are you".
When GOD says a coward will never enter heaven, and cowardice is only exhibited in a confrantation, and states the need for protection...the intent is suddenly brought into clairity.
The test is coming..are you prepared ?
Bill & Hillary may not be the anti-Christs, but they sure as hell are players !
Yes, but quite in accordance with Biblical prophecy, wouldn't you say?
You betcha. Keep your powder dry.
"synagogue of satan" is a Biblical term
I'm sorry you are not familiar with it, but then again, our society is rather Biblically illiterate.
By the way, it's not a slam against Jewish people.
As a born again Christian, I am very familiar with what the synagogue of Satan is. I am pretty sure (without looking it up) that it comes from the book of Revalation.
Bless you.
Thank you kindly.
I know our "friend" mcveighequalsrepublican is gone, but the question about this country being a Christion nation is below.
The Supreme Court of the United States, on February 29, 1892, in a 9-0 decision declared that all of our State and Federal Constitutions and document showed we were a Christian nation.
I will post a link when I find it.
I know our "friend" mcveighequalsrepublican is gone,
This is a good thing :-)
but the question about this country being a Christion nation is below.
"The Supreme Court of the United States, on February 29, 1892, in a 9-0 decision declared that all of our State and Federal Constitutions and document showed we were a Christian nation."
I will post a link when I find it.
Thanks, do you think it will make any difference to "our friend"? :-)
You are right, it is a good thing he/she is gone.
Here is a link to the decision. This is on a site that I don't agree with, but the information is there.
. . .If we pass beyond these matters to a view of American life, as expressed by its laws, its business, its customs, and its society, we find everywhere a clear recognition of the same truth. Among other matters note the following: The form of oath universally prevailing, concluding with an appeal to the Almighty; the custom of opening sessions of all deliberative bodies and most conventions with prayer; the prefatory words of all wills, "In the name of God, amen;" the laws respecting the observance of the Sabbath, with the general cessation of all secular business, and the closing of courts, legislatures, and other similar public assemblies on that day; the churches and church organizations which abound in every city, town, and hamlet; the multitude of charitable organizations existing everywhere under Christian auspices; the gigantic missionary associations, with general support, and aiming to establish Christian missions in every quarter of the globe. These and many other matters which might be noticed, add a volume of unofficial declarations to the mass of organic utterances that this is a Christian nation. . .
Thanks for the link. An interesting case. A statute that banned immigration of foreign workers, a British clergyman in this instance, was ruled unconstitutional on 1st amendment grounds. The sentiment was good but I see two problems: 1.Anyone (Bin Laden's followers for instance) could avoid immigration law by merely hiring foreign clergy. 2.Congress should have wide power to set immigration law.
In a 1999 case(Am.Tel v. United States) Rector was cited as an anomly, one of the few cases in over 100 years in which the court had "so blatantly repealed a Congressional enactment."
You may want to check out this thread.
The Founding Fathers were NOT Christians!
Thread is too long already. I've also had it trying to explain what Unitarians (my faith) were in the late 18th and early 19th century. Left and right both get it wrong.
You are right, it is long now. Maybe wait for a recap on thread II (if they have one).
BTW, is Unitarian the same as UU?
Unitarians merged with Universalists around 1964. The church is nothing like it was when Adams attended and the Unitarian minister Channing was a prominent voice in America. There are hints of a revival but...only hints.
Thanks
Here is a sight that list several other USSC decisions. I have not checked to see if they are all valid, but I thought that you may be interested.
Thanks for the link. It is a sign of how depraved many are that they think they can get away with a debate of whether the founders were Christians and if our country is based on Christian principles. Shows us how sucessful the NEA has been in dumbing down and indoctrinating the public.
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53 Posted on 10/25/2001 13:30:14 PDT by LarryLied
54 Posted on 10/26/2001 06:50:00 PDT by EdReform
55 Posted on 10/26/2001 07:09:46 PDT by Mommyof3
We place our ultimate trust in Jesus but its not the Constitution we don't trust
its the crazed judicial decisions from leftists judges who are reinventing the Constitution.
56 Posted on 10/26/2001 07:18:25 PDT by apackof2
57 Posted on 10/26/2001 12:24:08 PDT by EdReform
IN NEW YORK CITY, Muslims can
58 Posted on 10/26/2001 17:13:00 PDT by Manny Festo
Salvation is found in no one else, for there is no other name under heaven given to men by which we must be saved. - Acts 4:11-13
59 Posted on 10/26/2001 22:08:16 PDT by ppaul
60 Posted on 10/26/2001 22:28:59 PDT by boycott
61 Posted on 10/27/2001 10:36:14 PDT by Manny Festo
Six step guide to getting Muslim accommodation in public schools
(How to get) Islamic Resources in 1000 Public Schools
Sponsor a School Library with Islamic Material
Islamic Resources to Give to Your Child's Schoolteacher (pdf)
62 Posted on 10/27/2001 15:02:12 PDT by Prodigal Daughter
63 Posted on 10/27/2001 15:31:25 PDT by 2sheep
64 Posted on 10/27/2001 15:43:23 PDT by bettina0
65 Posted on 10/27/2001 15:51:31 PDT by magellan
66 Posted on 10/27/2001 15:58:14 PDT by Governor StrangeReno
67 Posted on 11/13/2001 17:29:49 PST by bettina0
Just one among many.
68 Posted on 11/13/2001 17:31:25 PST by cdwright
69 Posted on 11/13/2001 17:32:34 PST by cdwright
Alas, dear Grasshopper, that it could be that simple.
70 Posted on 11/13/2001 17:33:39 PST by cdwright
Contrary to what Evangelicals think, the rest of the world is not ready to pitch several hundred years' worth of scientific progress in order to adopt a literal Genesis viewpoint.
71 Posted on 11/13/2001 17:37:30 PST by one_particular_harbour
72 Posted on 11/13/2001 17:44:35 PST by Clovis_Skeptic
73 Posted on 11/13/2001 17:49:16 PST by bettina0
74 Posted on 11/13/2001 17:49:24 PST by rolling_stone
75 Posted on 11/13/2001 17:52:41 PST by sirgawain
76 Posted on 11/13/2001 17:55:36 PST by bettina0
Oh, thank you for making such a deep and significant point!
And WHEN will the schools STOP teaching that the Founding Fathers wrote the Declaration of Independence, and that James Madison wrote the Constitution? This whole "writing" think [sic] is OK for for a toddler, but not a 4th grader, who should have the basic concepts of causality down already.
Contrary to what Materialists think, the rest of the world is not ready to pitch several hundred years' worth of philosophical progress in order to adopt a literal authorship viewpoint!
I mean, everybody knows it was the pen that wrote those documents!
77 Posted on 11/13/2001 18:00:52 PST by BibChr
If Christian worship in public schools is prohibited because it would be considered the state's "respecting an establishment of religion," then why doesn't the same logic apply to the Muslim, Buddhist, New Age or Satanist religions?
78 Posted on 11/13/2001 19:33:30 PST by Victoria Delsoul
79 Posted on 11/13/2001 19:48:08 PST by mlmr
80 Posted on 11/15/2001 06:35:48 PST by LarryLied
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