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Race Riots were Predictable and Predicted, by Sam Francis
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The Sunday New York Times reports that "President Bush's top immigration advisors are weighing plans to allow the more than three million Mexicans living illegally in the United States to earn permanent legal residency."
A recently published report by the Center for Immigration Studies regarding the realities of current and future of Mexican immigration policies makes it abundantly clear what a catastrophically bad idea this is.
This nation has, for all intents and purposes, lost control over its borders. As Mark Krikorian of the Center for Immigration Studies points out, "We grant permanent residence to 800,000 to 900,000 immigrants each year (half of whom are already here) and permit the settlement of 400,000 illegal immigrants. The total foreign-born population stands at about 28 million (6 million of them illegal) accounting for 10% of our country's population." This nation has no real immigration policy if you are looking for any kind of analysis of the impact this has on our economy and society.
We will pretty much let any illiterate, unskilled person in without giving much thought to what this does to native Americans, by which I mean those born here, not Indians, who were also born here. As regards Mexicans, the large-scale immigration is, says the report, a fairly recent phenomenon. "In 1970, the Mexican immigrant population was less than 800,000. By 2000, it was nearly 8,000,000!
Of these new aliens, "almost two-thirds of adult Mexican immigrants have not completed high school, compared to fewer than one in ten natives. Mexican immigrants now account for 22% of all high school dropouts in the labor force. There are an estimated ten million native Americans without a high school degree facing "significant competition from Mexican immigrants." It's not bad enough they lack the education to do anything other than low-skill jobs, they must compete with people who, as often as not, don't even speak English and who will accept just about any pay scale. The report estimates that native Americans in this situation have seen their wages driven down by at least 5%.
Here's where middle-class white Americans begin to feel the impact. "Although they comprise 4.2% of the nation's total population, Mexican immigrants and their US-born children (under 18) account for 10.2% of all persons in poverty and 12.5% of those without health insurance." This is true even for Mexican immigrant families that have lived in the US for more than 20 years! Almost all are legal residents and more than half live in or near poverty while one-third have no medical insurance.
At a time when many US corporations are laying off thousands of management and skilled blue-collar workers, the Bush Administration is contemplating a guest-worker program. Why? For one thing, they need Hispanic votes to offset the near total rejection of Republican candidates by Blacks in America.
The problem is that offering the millions of illegal aliens amnesty or opening the borders wider to more illiterate, unskilled Mexicans will do nothing more than increase the tax burden on everyone else because, I guarantee you, someone has to pick up the tab at the hospital emergency rooms that serve as the only medical assistance available. Someone has to pay for the expansion of school facilities that cannot turn their children away. Someone has to pay for more police when crime rates rise.
The simple fact is that poverty level Mexicans who already live in America don't contribute to easing the tax burden. "Even after welfare reform," said the report, "an estimated 34% of households headed by legal Mexican immigrants and 25% by illegal Mexican immigrants used at least one major welfare program." Someone has to pay and that someone is Whitey.
At this point, I am sure someone thinks I hate Mexicans. I don't. I also don't want a flood of Mexicans adding to this nation's existing economic and social problems. Check the jails. They are filled with Mexicans, other Hispanics, and Blacks. Consider the nation's huge drug problem and ask yourself who are the primary conduits? Not long ago, I saw a film, "Traffic", starring Michael Douglas and an excellent cast. Its message was simple; so long as white Americans insist on having their daily hit of cocaine, heroin, and other illegal drugs, Mexico will remain a six-lane highway to our border providing it.
That same highway is being used by Mexicans fleeing Mexico in the hope of finding a new life here. May I respectfully suggest to Vicente Fox, the President of Mexico, that he do something about his own nation's economy other than send his people here? May I respectfully ask President Bush to be a little less concerned with Hispanic votes and a lot more concerned about shutting down our borders until we can effectively deal with our own problems?
This post screams for some of your yellow (very appropriate) highlighted, fear driven drivel.
Remember everyone, the geniuses in the Libertarian Party (www.lp.org) want totally unrestricted access to our borders by anyone who happens to wander across.
Thanks for a great post. This is one of the areas
I believe Dubya
has a deficiency in judgement.
I agree that courting the Hispanic vote makes great political sense- but zero national interest
Remember everyone, the geniuses in the Libertarian Party (www.lp.org) want totally unrestricted access to our borders by anyone who happens to wander across.
And apparently so does Bush.
It's a horrifying idea!
Mass deportation of illegals is the best idea!
Action Alert!
7/16/01
THE END OF AMERICA
Bill King, former Chief U.S. Border Patrol Agent, ran the amnesty program in 1986. He says a new amnesty would probably include ten million Mexicans. This would end the sovereignty of the United States.
IMPEACH BUSH
The only response Americans can have to a president who proposes sacrificing the United States to a hostile enemy is impeachment.
You must contact the White House and tell them this.
SWITCHBOARD: 202-456-1414 (Call and wait for live operator) -- FAX: 202-456-2461
E-MAIL ADDRESSES
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Vice President Dick Cheney: vice.president@whitehouse.gov
First Lady Laura Bush: first.lady@whitehouse.gov
Mrs. Lynne Cheney: mrs.cheney@whitehouse.gov
White House Mailing Address:
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1600 Pennsylvania Avenue NW
Washington, DC 20500
Glenn Spencer
President
American Patrol.com
You fear a sovereign independent United States of America. We need illegal immigration like we need a hole in the head.
Go move to the 3rd world if you like it so much. Don't bring it here.
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Race Riots were Predictable and Predicted, by Sam Francis
By Howard Sutherland
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we deport only about 1% of illegal alien lawbreakers but they should all be deported. these people have broken the laws of the United States. Rewarding them with anything is ridiculous and anarchical. They should receive one thing: immediate deportation. These people are also a huge millstone around the neck of the taxpayer and our blue collar citizens. This makes me wonder which president is ours, dubya or fox. Dubya ought to show fox the door but he's allowing a mexican president dictate U.S. policy. This is outrageous. It looks like a very poorly considered pandering by dubya and the republicans to win votes among latinos. This is idiotic, dubya did poorly among hispanics, who overwhelmingily vote democratic. Face it, poor, uneducated, and uninsured hispanics want more and more social services and the democrats have historically provided them. This is just a self-inflicted would by the repubs. It may mean the Republican party will morph even more from its traditional values and positions. There is not a nickel's worth of difference between these two parties today and, as they try to grovel and outpander the other, the differences become even smaller. Deport these lawbreakers. Send the message that the U.S. government enforces its laws and there is no free lunch in the U.S. Why would we want to add any people to our overcrowded nation of 284 million people? Aren't we going to look like India soon enough anyway?
Why? For one thing, they need Hispanic votes to offset the near total rejection of Republican candidates by Blacks in America.
This IS the truth. The primary reason each party allows the illegal immigration to continue every time they have control of the White House (and therefore the INS). I know first-hand that this is going on. I've tried to post it on FR before and have been flamed by the liberal left which monitors this forum and goes ballistic every time someone tries to point out what they're doing.
The Catholic Church strongly advocates for illegal immigrants from Latin America as it builds their base as well. It's all about control...
The Sunday New York Times reports that "President
Bush's top immigration advisors are weighing plans to allow the more than
three million Mexicans living illegally in
the United States to earn permanent legal residency."
Beware of any article that starts out like this. There are now between 11 and 17 million illegals within our nation's borders. The media is focused on legalizing the illegals. Close the _______ border!
bttt
I agree with your post on everything except your statement that we are overcrowded. Go to New Jersey the most poulated state per square mile in America and drive through the rural parts of the state and you will see vast farmlands and wilderness.
Overpopulation is not why we don't need immigration. Although we do have some cities with lots of population we have 100's of thousands of square miles where no one hardly lives, and we have more oil in Alaska than the world could use in several hundreds years---many times more oil than the middle east. We just are allowed to use these vast resources.
The problem with immigration is we need cannot assimilate vast numbers of them into being American so quickly--people who understand the culture and language of this country and who love it and forsake their old country for an allegience to America. And we have socialists government schools, and government handouts and governmwent socialist-workers that turn these people into government dependency from the time they arrive. And are willing to work for lower wages and destroy the living standards of American citizens by doing so.
Remember everyone, the geniuses in the Libertarian Party (www.lp.org) want totally unrestricted access to our borders by anyone who happens to wander across.
Is that it? Do they want millions of Mexicans per week streaming across the border into the US? Or is there something else in their plan--other than a militarized border, I mean--that they think would be more effective in stemming the flow?
Hint: The answers are no, no, and yes.
Open borders work when the economies are the same on both sides (more or less). We have an open border with Canada and millions of Canadians are not streaming across our northern border. Open borders would not work with Mexico, when there is such a disparity in living conditions and attitudes. I certainly don;t want millions of 3rd world types with 3rd world mentalities running into our country, voting for handouts and setting us back a few decades.
ANYONE who thinks this will "stem the flow" is insane, as apparently Bush is. The 1986 amnesty illustrates why it not only WON'T stem the flow but will in fact INCREASE it. In that amnesty, advertised as "the first and only", there were an estimated 3 million (sound familiar?). As they were amnestied in, they then used the family reunification rules of the 1965 immigration act (Hart-Cellar) to LEGALLY bring in, on average, 3 more persons. So 3 million turned into 12 million. Those families then played host to a new wave of ILLLEGAL immigrants, who now had a place to stay, and a new round of agitation for legalization was begun by the hispanic hegemony groups. The 11 million illegals now in the U.S. -- if amnestied -- will result in 40 million more Mexicans coming to the U.S. within 15 years. They don't call the Republicans the Stupid Party for nothing.
They've been keeping the prices down at the fast food places and they're willing to work instead of collect welfare. I didn't see what the issue is in the article? Won't this make it easier to annex Mexico in the long run?
Let's legalize ALL Canadians FIRST!
I agree that courting the Hispanic vote makes great political sense
No it does not. More Mexican voters = President Hillary!
Remember everyone, the geniuses in the Libertarian Party (www.lp.org) want totally unrestricted access to our borders by anyone who happens to wander across.
I can't figure their position on this out. I do like libertarianism, but I cannot see how keeping out illegal aliens would adversely affect the Libertarian philosophy?
We have millions of Third World parasies here already... it's likely that well over 10% of the entire population of hostile Mexico is here now (it was over 8% a couple of years ago), mostly illegally. This can't continue. It is the mandate of the military to guard that border, and they need to get down there and do it. It's only a matter of time before the American people will start doing it for them. In fact that's already happened in Arizona, and that vile Mexican government is screaming bloody murder. This could get ugly unless Bush acts like a leader and gets these parasites out of here.
They don't call the Republicans the Stupid Party for nothing.
Amen, brother.
ANYONE who thinks this will "stem the flow" is insane
What's this?
If you answered, "An open border," then you haven't been paying attention.
Vote In this poll
We have millions of Third World parasies here already... it's likely that well over 10% of the entire population of hostile Mexico is here now (it was over 8% a couple of years ago), mostly illegally. This can't continue. It is the mandate of the military to guard that border, and they need to get down there and do it. It's only a matter of time before the American people will start doing it for them. In fact that's already happened in Arizona, and that vile Mexican government is screaming bloody murder. This could get ugly unless Bush acts like a leader and gets these parasites out of here.
My neighbor is a native American from Mexico and reminds me of my dad. He's working 15 hours a day at 2 different jobs to take care of his family. His makes his kids speak English. I still don't see the issue. He votes Republican (legally I assume).
THE U.N SAID SO
Democrats change immigration policy
The Australian Democrats have abolished a policy which ruled out increases to the migrant intake.
Australia will accept 85,000 places non-humanitarian migrants this year and Democrats members have decided to support the levels set by the Government.
Their 1998 policy called for a zero net increase.
Senator Andrew Bartlett says there are still differences between Democrat and Government policies on immigration.
"Indeed the Democrats differ from both the larger parties in relation to opposing mandatory detention for example for asylum seekers and giving much more emphasis to family and to humanitarian intake," he said.
State Department Issues Guidance Stating that B-2 Visas Are Appropriate for Same Sex Partners
The July 1, 2001 DOS cable notes that accompanying one's "significant other" who is temporarily working or studying in the U.S. would be considered travel for pleasure, within the meaning of INA § 101(a)(15)(B). The primary purpose of travel is controlling, and as long as the accompanying partner does not intend to work, B-2 status would be consistent with the purpose for traveling.
The DOS cable further notes that living in the U.S. for an extended period of time is not a bar to B-2 classification. B-2 classification would require the foreign national to establish, with reasonable certainty, that s/he will depart from the United States upon completion of the temporary visit. The cable instructed DOS posts to focus on whether the stay has some finite limit, stating that a two-year work assignment or a four-year degree program would meet this requirement. As in any B visa case, the accompanying individual must establish that s/he has a residence abroad that s/he does not intend to abandon, with the focus on the B-2 applicant's ties abroad and the likelihood that s/he would remain in the United States in an unlawful status after the principal departs. Considering the applicant's strength of relationship with the principal and the principal's own ties abroad is appropriate, according to DOS.
An extension of stay may be required as INS regulations allow a maximum initial admission in B status of one year. The period of stay can be extended in six-month increments, and there is no limit on the maximum length of stay permitted for those in B-2 status.
The situation really has changed. The unions and the entrepreneurs, they all claim that we need immigration so I think the Christian Democratic Party has to be careful that they don't isolate themselves."
Germany has never seen itself as a multi-cultural society and talk of integration has at times taken on an intolerant tone.
Then the message was that foreigners had to behave like Germans. But Germans themselves are now embarking on a journey which could change their society forever.
The issue comes down the fact that we can't afford more unskilled, underenployable labor. All we need is more welfare receipents. As it is they eat billions out of CA now. In education alone each illegal child costs us $10,000 per child for a bad education by the Teacher's Union.
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So if your neighbor was a criminal you would be against this? Such brilliant logic!
I propose a ten year moratorium on all immigration. This will allow US to study the effects of this massive invasion. Why the rush to bring in more and more?
I propose a ten year moratorium on all immigration. This will allow US to study the effects of this massive invasion. Why the rush to bring in more and more?
Not a bad idea--not at all. But it should be coupled with a requirement that we have a full and free debate on ALL relevant issues--not a succession of the usual menu of Letwing documentaries intended to brainwash the public into a belief that only bigots want to preserve a unique heritage, biological and cultural. The Left is playing with reality in a way that can cause irreversible damage. It is unconscionable to allow it to continue without such a rull airing of ALL issues.
On some aspects of the problem, see The Leftist War On Social Cohesion
Amen. Open debate is what is needed, but what is feared by those pushing their agenda.
My neighbor is a native American from Mexico and reminds me of my dad. He's working 15 hours a day at 2 different jobs to take care of his family. His makes his kids speak English. I still don't see the issue. He votes Republican (legally I assume).
What is a "native American from Mexico"? Isn't that a Mexican national?
Amen. Open debate is what is needed, but what is feared by those pushing their agenda.
A full, frank and truly open debate, would spell the death knell for modern "Liberalism." They have fed for a Century on the dishonest tactic of smearing all who wanted to defend traditions and institutions, under attack, with such epithets as "fearful," "bigoted," "prejudiced," "hatemongering," "xenophobic," etc.; implying that any adverse argument sprang from a vile motive, and was therefore unworthy of debate.
I maintain a web site, where one by one, we are dismantling the pretentions and false arguments of modern "liberalism"--also showing clearly who the real hatemongers are. The bastards have no rational argument for most of what they have done to the rest of us, but they succeed because most Conservatives are intimidated away from hitting back where the Left has no rational answer, by fear of being mislabeled. We need to get over it and start laughing in their lying faces.
William Flax Return Of The Gods Web Site
implying that any adverse argument sprang from a vile motive
You should add "and/or mental illness". I will check out your web site.
fear driven drivel?
That's coming from you.
Too bad we can't deport people like you, who would help destroy America.
Being overrun by third world peons is not helping this country one bit, and you know it!
So who's side are you on?
Freedoms, of course.
#4 Hey this is a done deal! They are already here. lbj and slictigula figured out the numbers beginning in the 60's. Either turn them loose and pay them to vote rat, or bring them in to vote rat, and that means power. Hispanics have family values, have strong religious beliefs, and if properly cultivated by Conservatives could be a blessing. The negative is that Hispanics are being taught by the NEA and rat libs to fail in the US with bi-lingual education which dooms them to bricklaying, etc.
What does everybody think of the Cubs chances this year? They are still three games up over Houston, and have one of the best bullpens in the Majors. Just wanted to know what you think.
These folks will vote DEMOCRAT because America is a "democracy". We're in deep, deep doo-doo.
#42 That hurt. I am a Cub fan even though I have lived in Texas since 19 and 48 moving from a Chicago suburb (lots of scar tissue) . Anyways, I think that GWB is doing everything he can to get the Hispanics into the SAVE OUR REPUBLIC MOLD. May God Bless GWB and our Country, because it is in deep clinton.
Why are you even bringing up your pet emu? I was trying to talk about the cubs.
You don't like real tacos?
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freedoms of course
Nonsense!
What about MY Freedom to live in a American with Traditional American Values?
Most of these people are just invaders and should be treated as such!
They have no interest in becoming Americans, just becoming American Citizens
There IS a difference, a BIG one!
BTW How many passports do you have?
The ethnic Albanian Moslems invaded Kosovo the same way and then tried to take the province for their own home country. The Serbs tried to fight for their country and then we bombed the crap out of them to divert attention from the Monica affair. It could happen to the USA someday because of this illegal invasion of disloyal Mexicans.
LIBERALISM IS SOCIETAL LEPROSY!
"Remember everyone, the geniuses in the Libertarian Party (www.lp.org) want totally unrestricted access to our borders by anyone who happens to wander across."
Aside from the fact that the correct plural is "genii," this particular libertarian (I don't presume to speak for others) is in favor of any immigrant who can earn his or her keep.
And most immigrants (by my observation) come here to work and work HARD. Harder than most of us would, even with our "First World" educations.
You see, a rich society needs both poets and plumbers. Someone's got to clean the toilets, and someone's got to wear the Volkswagen engines on their backs to blow away the grass clippings.
And yes, such people DO live 8 or 12 to an apartment. And yes, the landlords do hate that (they'd rather rent to singles or couples who earn 30-40 thousand dollars a year, but the people who clean their yards and their toilets can't do it that way, now can they?)
Are the Hispanics here for grins and giggles? Do they come to Gringo-land, not knowing the language, struggling for 6-7 dollars an hour because it's fun? I tend to think they risk their lives to be here at all because the chance at a better life is worth it. Their poverty back home is so abject that the few American Dollars they can send back makes a big difference in lifestyle.
Now, maybe I'm wrong about this. Maybe Mexican immigrants are living high, and they're just here to annoy conservatives.
Possibly, but I don't think so.
Do YOU want to do the jobs that the Hispanics take gladly?
Possibly, but I don't think so.
And do you know who's most upset about all this? IMO, Blacks. I cite an article in the "Charlotte Post," a weekly, mostly black-written-and-read newspaper. This particular writer can say what a white person cannot: namely that Mexicans are the "New Niggers," and are working bottom-of-the-line labor jobs that blacks will no longer take.
Have we come to this; a new form of racism? Has "steppin'-fetchit" of the 1940's become "Corte su hierba?"
I could be totally wrong about this, too, but apparently the African-American writers and readers of this big-city newspaper don't think I am.
Personally, I write lousy poetry, and I'm no good with a septic tank.
Maybe there's good reason to fear the influx of those from south of the border, but for the life of me, I can't figure out what it is, and no one here has been able to explain it to me.
#45 IMHO GWB has about as much of a chance in saving this Country as a free, Constitional Republic in his four year term, as the Cubs do to win the World Series this year. If one or the other, would have to bet on the Cubs.
I read the yellow-highlighted post in question. While it certainly isn't a scholarly report a la Foreign Affairs (one of your faves, I'll bet), it certainly isn't "drivel." Please explain yourself in more detail, sir.
dooms them to bricklaying
You haven't hired a mason lately, have you?
You don't like real tacos?
My country for a real taco. Sounds like a fair trade.
This is about both ignoring federal immigration laws and excusing a select group of violators. It is on its face patently and ridiculously unfair besides the endorsement of an illegal act. In reality, the United States bears the brunt and burden of seeing to the social and economic needs of the people of Mexico, thus allowing the thoroughly corrupt Mexican government to continue its policies of criminality and despotism while completely ignoring its own population and its responsibility to them. That makes us the chump and patsy of a backward, feudalistic regime built on the trafficking of illegal drugs, death squads, and the supression of human rights and common decency. Yet illegal immigrants look to their former homeland with honor, respect, and love all the while urinating and defacating on the United States, our laws, our customs, our traditions, and even our flag, showing little or no respect or concern for the American people that are providing them with a higher standard of living and social services than even many native born citizens and legal residents. This situation is despicable, unjust, and suicidal; eventually leading us down the road to a future civil war. Massive, uncontrolled, unchecked, and migration of populations into an area, not their own is an invasion, not immigration.
And what exactly does your post have to do with illegal Mexican immigrants? They are illegal and broke our laws. You sir cheapen American citizenship by not taking illegal immigration seriously
ILLEGAL IMMIGRANTS ARE MAJOR LAWBREAKERS
Living in the United States is a precious right.
If you think it's no big deal move to Mexico (or any other 3rd world nation) and
see how different things are
Fear the influx of those from South of the Border? Yes, because we can't afford the social programs, and benefits they will be granted in the future, since most of them will be doing minimum wage jobs to support their families.
BTW, what happened to all those U.S. factory jobs that moved South of The Border? You know, cheap labor....the ones who put our OWN people out of work? Why don't the Mexicans stay there and get one of those jobs? Might the reason be because they aren't going to retire with all the benefits the good ole US can offer them?
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....... is that they are too stupid to realize that when there are enough of these invaders here, they will vote the white traitors OUT OF OFFICE and put
I like Bob Dornan but he's a good example. The whole state of California is a good example. Grey Davis has the support of the Hispanic community and has a Mexican American lieutenant governor.
Anyways...... Ol' B-1 Bob pooh poohed the Mexican influx for years. And then got voted out in a sham election due to so many Mexicans flooding his district. By now he can't win an honest election there anyhow due to the demographics. The demographics of immigration both legal and illegal.
"White traitors"??? Spare me the racist xenophobe blather. The jerks at Bartcop must cheer everytime they read a post like yours because it validates everything wretched thing they say about freepers. That attitude will be the death of conservatism in America. The only way to quickly stop illegal immigration is to militarize the border and issue citizen ID cards. Is that your vision of America? Barbwire fences and highway checkpoints? Republicans tried an anti-immigrant approach in California and it failed miserably. Hispanic voters do not want to be told their relatives are criminal scum. As Bush often says "Family values don't stop at the Rio Grande." Until conditions improve in Mexico, people will come here in search of a better life for their children (Wouldn't you?) Sure, some are criminals and freeloaders who will vote Democrat. But the majority are decent, hard-working people who are happy to do the most degrading jobs just so they can stay in this country. Traditional Hispanic culture is Christian and family-centered. They can be taught our conservative values and our way of life. I'd be willing to bet the average illegal Mexican appreciates the opportunity the United States offers far more than the average, cappucino-sucking citizen. Show them that the way to success is assimilation and hard work not identity politics and big government and they will respond.
Yes, and we took issue with king clinton giving amnesty to illegals, those proposing the same travesty today should not be treated any differently.
My point is that my Mexican neighbors share my values. Much more so then the lefties on the coasts or in Washington. They're here for the same reason my ancestors came here. If its not working in California, well other things don't work in California too. Maybe the problem is not the Mexicans. Ok, they're here illegally. Maybe this is the Jeffersonian revolution for the next generation. The Declaration of Independence was illegal too.
Is that your vision of America? Barbwire fences and highway checkpoints? Republicans tried an anti-immigrant approach in California and it failed miserably. Hispanic voters do not want to be told their relatives are criminal scum. As Bush often says "Family values don't stop at the Rio Grande." Until conditions improve in Mexico, people will come here in search of a better life for their children (Wouldn't you?)
I'll take the fences and checkpoints over your vision of America, which is Mexican flags waving in our streets, Mexicans taking over political posts and installing unterminable social programs in benefit of their raza, celebrating 16 de septiembre, 20 de noviembre, 5 de mayo, Cesar Chavez, Vicente Fox, Benito Juarez and NOT celebrating or having any knowledge of Presidents' Day, the 4th of July, D-Day, The Founding Fathers or the Constitution; bilingual education programs; no disturbance of the peace ordinances; substitution of a meritocracy by a replica of the corruption-ridden institutions that saturate Mexico; citizens who think that the only way to deal with a corrupt government is to be corrupt themselves, since that has been the necessary modus operandi in Mexico since the advent of the PRI. I'll take the former, even if it means infringement on my personal freedom, because the alternative will be far worse.
Until conditions improve in Mexico, people will come here in search of a better life for their children (Wouldn't you?)
Yeah, and I'd go loot a grocery store in South Central LA if my family was starving, but that doesn't mean we should allow people to do it.
The economic tide in Mexico rises and falls on the fortunes of the American economy, so the only way that a parity will be achieved to the degree that immigrants will no longer come is if the Mexicans utterly destroy the United States and convert it into a carbon copy of their 3rd World hellhole. Wages are eight times higher in the United States that in Mexico. It will take an event like I mentioned even to drop the ratio to 4:1. The Mexicans will keep coming. Same with 3:1, 2:1, and even 1:1, because, apart from the wages, Mexicans also come here to get away from the squalor and the crime. In other words, they will never stop coming. The growth will be exponential.
Traditional Hispanic culture is Christian and family-centered. They can be taught our conservative values and our way of life
Hispanics have been observing us closely, both from abroad and from here at home, for a long time. Look at their countries, look at their voting history. They are learning nothing about individual responsibility and conservatism. They get nothing but abuse from their governments, so if they can find a way to screw the government and get something out of it, they feel justified. This sentiment doesn't change when they cross the border, especially, in the Mexicans' case, if you add in the component that they feel that both their government and our government have been screwing them for decades and is the only reason they have failed, totally ignoring their chronic inefficiency and laziness. They feel that rich America owes them, just because they're poor. Such resentment and desire to get even will not lead them to a party that espouses conservatism.
My post was predicting (correctly) his post...He always throws lots of charts and text with yellow highlights into threads dealing with Mexicans or Jews.
I was not commenting on the words, just the style.
History of Irish Immigrants in America -->
hough life in Ireland was cruel, emigrating to
America was not a joyful event...it was referred to as the
American Wake for these people knew they would never see Ireland
again. Those who pursued this path did so only because they new
their future in Ireland would only be more poverty, disease, and
English oppression. America became their dream. Early immigrant
letters described it as a land of abundance and urged others to
follow them through the "Golden Door." These letters
were read at social events encouraging the young to join them in
this wonderful new country. They left in droves on ships that
were so crowded, with conditions so terrible, that they were
referred to as Coffin Ships.
Even as the boat was docking, these immigrants to America learned that life in America was going to be a battle for survival. Hundreds of runners, usually large greedy men, swarmed aboard the ship grabbing immigrants and their bags trying to force them to their favorite tenement house and then exact an outrageous fee for their services. As the poor immigrant had no means of moving on, they settled in the port of arrival. Almshouses were filled with these Irish immigrants. They begged on every street. One honest immigrant wrote home at the height of the potato famine exodus, "My master is a great tyrant, he treats me as badly as if I was a common Irishman." The writer further added, "Our position in America is one of shame and poverty." No group was considered lower than an Irishman in America during the 1850s.
Free land did not lure them. They rejected the land for the land had rejected them; yet even so they always spoke reverently of the old sod in Ireland. All major cities had their "Irish Town" or "Shanty Town" where the Irish clung together. Our immigrant ancestors were not wanted in America. Ads for employment often were followed by "NO IRISH NEED APPLY." They were forced to live in cellars and shanties, partly because of poverty but also because they were considered bad for the neighborhood...they were unfamiliar with plumbing and running water. These living conditions bred sickness and early death. It was estimated that 80% of all infants born to Irish immigrants in New York City died. Their brogue and dress provoked ridicule; their poverty and illiteracy provoked scorn.
The Chicago Post wrote, "The Irish fill our prisons, our poor houses...Scratch a convict or a pauper, and the chances are that you tickle the skin of an Irish Catholic. Putting them on a boat and sending them home would end crime in this country."
Instead of apologizing for themselves they united and took offense. Insult or intimidation was often met with violence. Solidarity was their strength, they helped each other survive city life. They prayed and drank together. The men seemed to do more drinking than praying, yet it was their faith and dogged determination to become Americans that led one newspaper to say, "The Irish have become more Americanized than the Americans."
The Church played an integral part in their lives. It was a militant Church--a Church who fought not only for their souls but also for their human rights. After the religious riots in Philadelphia where many Catholic churches were burned, the mayor of New York asked Archbishop Hughes, "Do you fear that some of your churches will be burned."
"No sir, but I am afraid some of yours will be. We can protect our own."
Later, public officials asked the Archbishop to restrain New York's Irish. "I have not the power," he said. "You must take care that they are not provoked." No Catholic church burned in New York.
Actually the Irish arrived at a time of need for America. The country was growing and it needed men to do the heavy work of building bridges, canals, and railroads. It was hard, dangerous work, a common expression heard among the railroad workers was "an Irishman was buried under every tie." Desperation drove them to these jobs.
Not only the men worked, but the women too. They became chamber maids, cooks, and the caretakers of children. Early Americans disdained this type of work, fit only for servants, the common sentiment being, "Let Negroes be servants, and if not Negroes, let Irishmen fill their place..." The Blacks hated the Irish and it appeared to be a mutual feeling. They were the first to call the Irish "white nigger."
A prominent hotel keeper was asked why all the women servants in his hotel were Irish. He replied, "The thing is very simple: the Irish girls are industrious, willing, cheerful, and honest--they work hard, and they are very strictly moral. I should say that is quite reason enough."
The Irish were unique among immigrants. They fiercely loved America but never gave up their allegiance to Ireland...and they kept their hatred of the English. Twice they tried to invade Canada, believing that they could trade Canadian land for Ireland's freedom. In New York City, during the Civil War, they rioted against the draft lottery after the first drawing showed most of the names were Irish. For three days the city was terrorized by Irish mobs and only after an appeal for peace by Archbishop Hughes did it end. In Pennsylvania they formed a secret organization called the Molly Maguires to fight mine owners who brutalized the miners and their families. They ambushed mine bosses, beat, and even killed them in their homes. The Irish used brutal methods to fight brutal oppression. They loved America and gladly fought in her wars. During the Civil War they were fierce warriors, forming among other groups, the famous "Irish Brigade". A priest accompanied them and, before each battle, they would pray together before charging into the enemy--even against insurmountable odds. Their faith guided them. They felt the English might have a better life on earth, but they were going to have a better life after death.
The days of "No Irish Need Apply" passed. St.Patrick day paraded replaced violent confrontations. The Irish not only won acceptance for their day, but persuaded everyone else to become Irish at least for St.Patrick's Day. The Orangemen or New York City copied the St.Pat's Day parade in 1870 and, as they marched, played "Boyne Water", "Derry" and other songs derogatory towards the Catholics. Fights broke out and only the police (themselves mostly Irish) saved the Orangemen and women. The next year another Orange parade was scheduled...the police banned it.
The appearance of large numbers of Jews, Slavs, and Italian immigrants led many Americans to consider the Irish an asset; their Americanization was now recognized. Hostility shifted from the Irish to the new nationalities. Through poverty and subhuman living conditions, the Irish tenaciously clung to each other. With their ingenuity for organization, they were able to gain power and acceptance.
In 1850 at the crest of the Potato Famine immigration, Orestes Brownson, a celebrated convert to Catholicism, stated: "Out of these narrow lanes, dirty streets, damp cellars, and suffocating garrets, will come forth some of the noblest sons of our country, whom she will delight to own and honor."
In little more than a century his prophecy rang true. Irish-Americans had moved from the position of the despised to the oval office.
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The Chicago Post wrote, "The Irish fill our prisons, our poor houses...Scratch a convict or a pauper, and the chances are that you tickle the skin of an Irish Catholic. Putting them on a boat and sending them home would end crime in this country." Kinda sounds like the threads around here these days....very sad indeed.
I get lost in the "style" of the Bible sometimes. Doesn't make the Word any less true, though.
I'm a Christian, I want what's bad for the economy. People are too rich and self centered and they idolize their carreers and SUV's too much.
"The Irish have become more Americanized than the Americans."
Very true. There are plenty of Americanized former Mexicans here, too. But there are far too many who won't Americanize. Additionally, could you point out the Irish equivalent to the Mexican separatist movement here in the US? There weren't a bunch of Irish calling for an Irish homeland to be carved out of this country, were there? Sheesh!
There isn't that much oil in Alaska. I like your statement about population though.
The last time I looked at a map Mexico was part of North America.
"The Irish have become more Americanized than the Americans."
By no means all. There are 7th and 8th generation Irish who incessently talk of nothing else but being Irish. They wave Irish flags, hang out in Irish bars, and visit Ireland every other year. It's not just Irish though. Italians can be like that also. Unfortunately, Some people simply cannot put ethnicity behind them.
I believe in the right of an American of Mexican descent to hang out in a Mexican Bar and eat Mexican food and drink tequila.. what on earth is wrong with that? If the guy is going to work and supports his family who is he harming? Have you ever been someplace that hangs a Confederate flag? That's your RIGHT, sir!
I never said it wasn't anyone's right, I said I thought it was unfortunate that some Americans could not get over the cult of ethnicity. I don't really want to get into it, because it is off topic, but it happens mostly in the Northeast. In Texas, I have met just as many folks with Irish, Italian, and Polish sounding last names as I have in NYC, but down here, it's not an issue. Noone really talks about their ethnicity. We all wear the same hats, boots, jeans etc.... and that is what really matters!
That's right! A cheap Big Mac today is worth the whole Country tomorrow!
The last time I looked at a map Mexico was part of North America.
And your point is............?
We all wear the same hats, boots, jeans etc.... and that is what really matters!
Like this?
It will get ugly if the gov. tries to seal the border. It would cause hispanic unrest in our cities, and naturally the left wing press and politicans would cry about how brutal the gov/party in power is. I don't believe the gov. will try to seal the borders because they know what will happen and are cowards and traitors to the constitution. They're most interested in hanging onto the power they have while they have it.
That does not make Mexico or Canada for that matter part of the United States.
Excellent points made.
You can shop in most Southwestern cities, including much of Los Angeles, and never pay a cent of sales tax on all kinds of goods. This is because the newer "Americans" or whatever they are have really honed the means and techniques of dealing outside the rule of law.
They just ignore government. Pretty interesting.
The lawlessness will grow as will the Big Brother Government. This is now beyond the point of no return.
Too many GOPers are cheering on the end of America, only unwittingly, the Democrats are cheering it on consciously.
Like this?
LOL!!! Amen!
Hats - Resistol
Jeans - Wrangler
Boots - Justin.
It's what makes us all the same down here!
THIS WOULD BE A DISASTER!
GOODBYE USA.
Political strategy that deals with the changing dynamic racial composition of our nation is a concept which a lot of posters on this thread appear to be blind to.
I for one would rather be in the position of having new immigrants to this nation vote GOP than Jackass.It's as if some the freepers on this thread are unaware that the GOP cut welfare and that all new immigrants will not be on the dole forever.
I suppose that some would be happier if the millions of new Mexican Americans already naturalized continue to vote demoncratic.
The thought that the GOP would not gain the votes of illegal aliens who were granted citizenship by the GOP is retarded, unless one's opinion of Mexicans is that they are ungrateful SOB's who would spit in the face of their benfactors.
If black americans can vote 92% for the party that enslaved them and then kept them from voting for the next 100 years, I'm sure that the GOP will be able to gain enough new Mexican-American votes to be the dominant party for the foreseeable future.
There have been many articles written by astute observers of the political scene and they disagree with your analysis.
I would love all these illegal aliens and other criminals to see the light and vote for GOP. However that is not realistic. The DNC knows the game better than any other party out there and they know that the immigrant vote, the minority vote is theirs.
Let those GOPers who are all for illegal aliens and unlimited immigration tell us, who are skeptical, how you propose to have GOP out-Democrat the Democrats.
It's pretty simple. Since the GOP cut welfare the Jackass's have nothing to offer the illegals except CITIZENSHIP.
We will offer it first.
The Demorats came up with the Great Society in the 60's which was nothing more tha MONEY FOR VOTES.
That's how they were able to reverse an overwhelming GOP trend among blacks and be in the position that they are in now.
Anybody saying that this won't work is most likely a DEMONCRATIC PROPAGANDIST.
Such as Paul Craig Roberts? Is he just another DNC operative?
Paul Craig Roberts isn't sitting in the White House, and didn't become President by a pubic hair last election.
The GOP needs every vote it can get, and I'll take them from wherever I can get them.
If this "regularization act" (new, P.C. term for "amnesty") goes through, no Bush will ever get my registered Republican vote again.
G.W., give it up, the Latinos still won't vote for you. Thousands of Mexicans are now swarming south of the border fence in San Diego waiting for darkness to cross because of this amnesty announcement.
And the article numbers are incorrect, there are about 13 million illegal aliens in the U.S. now, and if legalized they will import 20 million more extended family members.
s amnesty rewards lawbreakers.
Visit the Jesús Malverdes shrine in Mexico.
The Chicago Post wrote, "The Irish fill our prisons, our poor houses...Scratch a convict or a pauper, and the chances are that you tickle the skin of an Irish Catholic. Putting them on a boat and sending them home would end crime in this country." Kinda sounds like the threads around here these days....very sad indeed.
Yes, the Irish once had a big problem with crime, illegitimacy, drunkenness and irresponsibility. The expression "Paddy wagon" originated because the police picked up so many Irishmen who were in drunken brawls. And why aren't the Irish like that anymore? Because the Catholic church rounded up abandoned Irish kids who were roaming the city streets. They practiced tough love, teaching the Irish to be responsible and work hard and obey the law and stop having babies out of wedlock, etc., etc. After a while, the Irish had blended in with other Americans and were no longer the "despised, problem" newcomers.
Now our country is different. It is not politically correct to tell people to shape up. Instead, we say, "You are victims and this country owes you." It is "insensitive" to suggest that immigrants can pull themselves up by their bootstraps, and that they should be responsible. It is "racist" and "immigrant bashing" to suggest that they should not have babies out of wedlock, and that they should obey the law. We give immigrants welfare, food stamps, free medical aid, and bilingual education. Immigrants do not have the same incentive to be responsible citizens that they once had, back when the Irish were a problem. The Irish are like every other immigrant group who eventually assimilated and became proud Americans and productive citizens, but far too many Mexican immigrants refuse to do so. They don't *have* to. They are loyal to Mexico first. They boo the National Anthem and American athletes at sporting events. They talk about "Aztlan" and taking over certain American states. Some live here for 25 years or more and never bother to learn English. Maybe this is good in your opinion, maybe it is bad, but it is NOT the same as the Irish long ago!!
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