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WASHINGTON -- The day after the Thompson committee hearings on Chinagate kicked off in the Senate, a lawyer driving a white Lexus pulled up to Yah Lin "Charlie" Trie's home in Little Rock, Ark.It was July 2, 1997, and FBI agents conducting surveillance on Trie's house watched, powerlessly, as Trie's secretary, Maria "Dia" Mapili, and the lawyer loaded the car with four boxes, which agents later confirmed contained documents under subpoena by both a federal grand jury and the Senate.
Earlier that day, agents thought they had a green light to search Trie's home to stop the further destruction of evidence that they'd discovered while sifting through Trie's garbage cans.
Mixed in with fish heads and other garbage were bits of key records that investigators had sought in their criminal probe of 1996 Clinton-Gore fund-raising abuses.
After drying out and piecing together the shreds of paper, they restored checks from Asian donors to President Clinton's legal defense fund, Democratic National Committee donor lists, travel records for Chinese money men and statements from Chinese bank accounts. There also was a FedEx slip showing the White House had sent two pounds of documents to Trie just two months earlier.
But, at the last minute, Justice officials denied their request for a search warrant. In fact, FBI special agent Kevin Sheridan was back in Washington arguing against the high-level punt at the same time Mapili and her lawyer, who'd been tipped off to the scheduled search that day, were carting off documents.
Scrambling to recover the documents, special FBI agent Daniel Wehr asked for permission to stop the Lexus as it sped off. Justice officials turned that request down, too.
Agents learned later that Mapili, who had no prior counsel, had quickly and conveniently lawyered up with one of Arkansas' best -- W.H. Taylor, who is Don Tyson's personal lawyer. Tyson, the chicken king who heads Fayetteville, Ark.-based Tyson Foods, is a big Clinton supporter.
Remarkably, Taylor had driven almost four hours to Little Rock from Fayetteville to help Mapili cart off subpoenaed documents.
"That's just not a coincidence," said I.C. Smith, the special agent in charge of the FBI in Arkansas at the time.
"Here you've got lawyers stepping over one another there in Little Rock, and of all the people, she hooks up with Don Tyson's personal lawyer," Smith said in an exclusive interview with WorldNetDaily. "She didn't make that decision herself."
So who hooked her up with Tyson's lawyer? Again, Justice officials weren't interested in investigating.
Before subpoenaing Mapili for Trie's records, Smith had tried to get a device installed to record the numbers pulsed to and from Mapili's phone to see who she was talking to. But Washington objected.
But that's not all.
After agents complained about the boxes of documents taking flight from Trie's house, Justice sent a lawyer, William Corcoran, to Little Rock to meet with Taylor to review the documents.
Only, the meeting never took place.
"Corcoran overslept the morning of the meeting, and Taylor left and went back to Fayetteville with the documents," Smith said.
In sworn statements on Oct. 21 and 22, 1997 -- after the Senate hearings had ended -- Mapili confirmed agents' worst fears by admitting she destroyed and hid documents on orders from Trie, who had fled to China. She hid some documents in a credenza, and others under Trie's bed.
Finally, on Oct. 23, 1997, Justice officials OK'd a search warrant, and agents obtained documents sufficient to indict Trie. (The indictment was scheduled for November 1998, but officials postponed it until January 1998 -- after the election.) Trie was later convicted in a plea deal that spared him jail for his cooperation in further investigations.
All told, Trie gave $640,000 in illegal donations to the DNC and Clinton-Gore reelection effort, and $460,000 more in illegal donations to Clinton's legal defense fund. He made the donations to buy access to Clinton for Chinese benefactors such as Ng Lap Seng, a shady Macau tycoon, and Wang Jun, a Beijing arms dealer. They got the access, and possibly more.
Even so, Clinton was never a target, and agents were blocked from following any leads back to him.
"I was told by Laura Ingersoll that we would not pursue any matter relating to the solicitation or payment of funds for access to the presidency," Wehr testified before the Senate Sept. 22, 1999.
Why? "That's the way the American political process works," Wehr said Ingersoll told him.
"I was scandalized by that answer," Wehr said.
Ingersoll, who does not recall the conversation, was the first of many supervisors of Justice's campaign finance task force. A relatively green prosecutor, she was hand-picked by Lee Radek, who runs the task force as Public Integrity Section chief.
Radek, who privately told FBI officials at the outset of the probe in 1996 that he was under political "pressure" to throttle the probe to save then-Attorney General Janet Reno's job, was the intellectual muscle behind Reno's stubborn refusal not to turn the case over to an independent counsel.
Roberta Parker, lead FBI agent in Washington on the Trie case, also was compelled to testify in 1999.
She swore: "I was told [by Ingersoll] that we would not take into consideration the Presidential Legal Expense Trust [PLET] issue, and that we would not take into consideration the Senate subpoena obstruction issue for the search warrant."
She said Ingersoll wouldn't let agents use the illegal PLET checks from Trie as evidence for probable cause to search Trie's home.
'No doubt about' cover-up
All this begs the question: Did Justice prosecutors, under the orders of Reno and Radek, fix the investigation in favor of Clinton?
"There's no doubt about it," Smith said in a lengthy phone interview from his Virginia home.
He claims that Justice and White House lawyers worked "hand and glove" to bury the investigation.
"When you have W.H. Taylor driving all the way from Fayetteville to represent a little Filipino woman [Mapili] who can hardly find Fayetteville on a map, there's no question there was collusion," Smith charged.
Added another veteran FBI agent who worked on the case, but wished to go unnamed: "The setbacks were too orchestrated to write off as high-level incompetence. It was intentional obstruction. We were all dumbfounded."
"And the cover-up continues," the agent said.
Republicans such as Sen. Fred Thompson and Rep. Dan Burton, who have conducted Chinagate hearings, have charged that Reno and her aides were "blocking" for the president or "covering up" evidence that pointed to the White House.
But this is the first time street agents on the case have gone that far.
Ingersoll, who eventually was removed from the task force, says she denied agents' requests for search warrants because they lacked "probable cause."
For his part, Radek argues that he's handcuffed by toothless campaign-finance laws, and is "desperately looking for crimes to accuse these people of and bring them to justice."
Reno still maintains she conducted a "fair," "honest" and "thorough" probe.
The operational plan
But Smith doesn't buy it and points to a written "operational plan" as a potential source of leaks to the White House on task force strategy.
He says the plan, which is about a quarter-inch thick, was the playbook for task force prosecutors.
"There was at least the potential for it to be shared with the White House counsel's office," which closely monitored the probe for the president.
Smith also says the plan, which took a long time to put together, delayed the launch of the probe in 1997.
"It was a nuisance, because instead of agents going out there interviewing people, they were putting together this operational plan," he said. "And the decision-making on the plan was tortuous in itself."
"So weeks and weeks went by there when very little investigating was being done," Smith added. "Everybody was trying to come up with this operational plan," which was finally completed in mid-1997.
Agents also charge that senior Justice officials did not want them to succeed, and did everything in their power to trip them up.
Unlike other investigations involving the FBI, Justice lawyers had unprecedented control in this case. Agents had to clear every move through them.
"This wasn't the typical FBI investigation where you follow the leads yourself," Smith said. "You had to clear all your interviews through the Justice Department."
Veteran agents were told who they could interview as witnesses, how they should interview them and when they could put them before the grand jury.
For example, Smith recalls Ingersoll initially turning down an April 23, 1997, request by his team to subpoena Arkansan Lorin Fleming, a potentially key witness in the Trie case.
Smith says department lawyers even sabotaged the testimony of a key witness cultivated by his agents in Little Rock.
Dwight Linkous, an Arkansas "mover and shaker," was a critical Trie witness who Smith said was "treated shabbily by department lawyers."
Duffle bags full of cash
Linkous, a former Little Rock city director who helped install Clinton pal Webster Hubbell as mayor, was prepared to tell the grand jury of how Trie smuggled briefcases and duffle bags full of $100-dollar bills from China.
In one instance, he told agents Trie offered cash to Little Rock business leaders to help Ng and other Chinese buy the old Camelot Hotel in Little Rock. In another, he paid $30,000 to Clinton aide Mark Middleton to help broker the Camelot deal (which eventually fell through). And in yet another example, Trie gave $100,000 in Chinese cash to the DNC in 1994 so that Ng and other Chinese could dine with Clinton.
Yet before presenting Linkous to the grand jury in Washington, Justice lawyer Corcoran "hadn't even read the 302s we'd written" summarizing the FBI's deposition of Linkous.
Instead of massaging Linkous for information on the stand, Corcoran questioned his credibility, Smith said.
"It was a conscious effort to discredit this guy before the grand jury and not ask any of the pertinent questions," he said.
The witness just "clammed up after that," Smith said.
"We had many stumbling blocks in this investigation," agreed FBI agent Sheridan, who got so fed up he left the case.
The politicized probe convinced Smith, a 25-year veteran, to retire in 1998.
The task-force personnel turnover, both at the bottom and top, has worked in Clinton's favor.
When it came time to work out sentencing for Trie, the investigators squeezing him for more information weren't even involved in his investigation, agents say.
'Didn't even read file'
"They didn't even read the case file," one agent said. "How can you debrief Charlie Trie without reading the case file?"
Most of the dozen agents and lawyers who deposed Trie in 1999 were new to the case and had "less than a year in," the agent said. "That's kind of scary."
Smith, who can translate both Mandarin and Cantonese, says the new investigators mistakenly thought Ng Lap Seng, Trie's Chinese benefactor, and Mr. Wu were different people. They didn't realize they are the same name in different Chinese dialects.
As time went on, fewer investigators knew much about the president's friends from Arkansas and how they were connected in a web of dirty-dealing.
"They didn't have the wiring diagram," Smith said. As a result, interviews with witnesses and perpetrators were "poorly done" and "incomplete."
"There's a rhythm to investigations," he added, "and there was never any rhythm developed in the campaign-finance investigations."
Adding to the lack of continuity, the task force has gone through six chief prosecutors in less than five years.
Ingersoll was replaced by Charles LaBella, who Reno ousted for David Vicinanzo after LaBella complained about political foot-dragging. And Vicinanzo, in turn, was replaced by Scott Fredericksen, who backed out at the last minute and was replaced by Robert Conrad, who was replaced in February by Michael Horowitz, a Justice bureaucrat.
"Clearly there was no real interest in pursuing this thing at the department, particularly after Chuck LaBella was removed," Smith said.
LaBella, who left in 1998, urged Reno to turn the case over to an outside prosecutor.
In a departing memo to her, he complained: "If these allegations involved anyone other than the president, vice president, senior White House or DNC and Clinton-Gore '96 officials, an appropriate investigation would have commenced months ago without hesitation."
'Agents of a communist state'
It's one thing to fix a public-corruption case for political reasons. But this one doesn't just involve politicians. It involves a foreign country and the likely compromise of national security, since illegal donations came from Communist China while policy toward China softened dramatically, and that particularly bothered FBI agents.
"People at the department didn't take a lot of the intelligence and national security stuff very seriously when it came up," complained one FBI agent who worked on the case. "We screamed and yelled and screamed and yelled, but they wouldn't see the forest for the trees."
"Yet," the agent added, "this conspiracy involves agents of a communist state who got unfettered access to the White House. I mean, they were in the White House all the time."
The agent, who asked not to be identified, called Chinagate the "the mother of all the Clinton scandals" -- and Americans don't know the half of it.
"Let me put it this way," the agent said, "what the public knows is just the tip of the iceberg."
COMING THURSDAY: Public Integrity Section Chief Lee Radek, criticized for steering the Chinagate probe away from the White House, has a friend in Robert Mueller, President Bush's pick to replace FBI Director Louis Freeh.
NEXT TUESDAY: Did the Washington Post assist in the cover-up?
Editor's note: If you would like to let Justice Department officials know how you feel about their handling of the Campaign Financing Task Force investigation, you can contact them at the following phone numbers or e-mail addresses:
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Campaign Financing Task Force supervisor
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BUMP ... not that it will change the fact that Clinton FU__ED this nation and will get away with it. Damn him to hell for ever!
"If ye love wealth better than liberty, the tranquility of servitude better
than the animating contest of freedom, go home from us in peace. We
ask not your counsels or arms. Crouch down and lick the hands which
feed you. May your chains set lightly upon you, and may posterity
forget that ye were our countrymen." -- Samuel Adams 1776.
LIBERALISM IS SOCIETAL LEPROSY!
heads up
To the moon Alice!
OH yeah !!
This should have leaked years ago. The fact that it didn't says volumes. FBI Agents in the know allowed the DOJ to subvert the justice system of the United States. They didn't have to come forward on the record. They could have steered media members in the right direction. Instead FBI agents allowed this nation to be placed at risk. I have nothing but contempt for those who come forward now. As far as I am concerned, they should be placed in prison right along with Reno. You can't put the Genie back in the bottle boys. You sold us out to protect your own jobs. Evidently the nation didn't mean enough to you to take a stand. God how I prayed that just one of you would. But I guess even God can't influence the likes of some people any longer.
Re: # 9
Bump!
Pulling it all together, what we have right here in our own country are all of the ingredients necessary for a totalitarian police state. We have a federal government that nobody in his right mind would trust, which lies to us incessantly, uses illegal force against its citizens with impunity, and collaborates with totalitarian dictators under cover of a massive propaganda campaign conducted by our supposedly free press. Our major information media are dominated by closet totalitarians who pay lip service to democracy while covertly promoting the interests of communist despots. The political opposition is made up largely of cowards who are so intimidated by our totalitarian propaganda media they are unable to offer effective resistance to even the most egregious violations of civil liberties by the... corrupt Clinton regime(link). They have become, in the fullest sense of the term, Weimar Republicans(nazi enablers). And finally, we have that which makes it all possible, a listless, docile, dumbed-down public who gape mindlessly at all of the above phenomena without the slightest glimmer of comprehension, and prattle the latest propaganda cliches dumped into their empty heads by the mainstream media.
The Elian affair has truly given us a glimpse into the abyss of tyranny. The message that comes through loud and clear is that the system isn't working. The question that remains to be answered is whether we still possess the intelligence and fortitude necessary to fix it.
Edward Zehr can be reached at ezehr@capaccess.org
Published in the May. 22, 2000 issue of The Washington Weekly
Copyright 2000 The Washington Weekly.
Thanks John, excellent find. I am glad this came out. I'm just so disappointed in what this nation has become that I get angry at having my nose rubbed in it.
I am convinced that every detail of Clinton's crimes could come out and people would still not get it.
I agree 1000%.
You're welcome, friend. And thanks for sharing your thoughtful insights -- I agree with you completely on this.
Germany's President Von Hindenburg was the enfeebled maitre d' who unhooked the velvet rope and announced, "Hitler. Party of one." (History footnotes, with his faltering will he did manage to exact one promise from Adolph, asking, "When I'm gone, do whatever you want with Germany, but don’t let Frau Hindenburg drive my zeppelin." Whether Bush is another Hindenburg is a matter of suspicion.
That Clinton and his rabble are ready to usurp his Presidency is a certainty... reconfirming(link)--- Satan works his will, not through the strong, but through the weak, more often through the rabbit than the rottweiler. Still, the rabbit has sufficient character to run rather than cajole a wink and a nod from the rottweiler.
If Norm could explain that last sentence....roadkill(rabbit-MUSH) is my guess!
You are exactly right in your #9. One has to wonder, though, why these so-called "agents" are coming forward now, of all times. In their position, had I ever decided to remain silent in the face of this evil it would not have been "until...;" I would have never spoken out.
Why do they speak out now, and reveal their own complicity?
I wish it were just to gain the benefits of turning state's evidence. (Alas! ~ Just a dream of mine.)
This has been commomn knowledge here for years. So why is it news?
This is great but nobody but FReepers really care.
The American sheeple don't want to know.
Hello, JH2-- you know what I think about Little Big Fraud® and his shills:
My "short list of most damaging links"--
-"until clintonese is spoken only in Hell!"--
If you only read one link, make it "Murder, Inc."
"This is great but nobody but FReepers really care. The American sheeple don't want to know."
Sad but so true.
Thanks John, I enjoy reading your post.
I don't usually have time to answer because of work, but I do read your post.
We must take our country back (from the lying liberals) We owe it to our children and the brave founding Fathers who gave us the tools, we just need to use them.
I also think that the federal officers were neglect in upholding their sworn duty of enforceing the law. this old 'shouder done this' is nothing but exposing themselves as first class cowards. A TRUE officer of the law would have busted the Clinton - Rino coverup wide open. If they would have been fired for doing so, at least they could have sleep good at night knowing that the right thing was done.
None of this is difficult to believe.
Some time in the not too distant future, people are going to ask us, "Why did you let them get away with it? Why didn't you stop them?" What are we going to tell the next generation?
I am not surprised that these revelations are now coming out, but I am VERY dismayed that the Bush Administration and the DOJ, in gutless splendor, will now continue to ignore these crimes. WHY? ... because Bush wants the nation's focus on HIS agenda rather than on Clinton - as if his agenda were more important than the rule of law.
".......Clinton - as if his agenda were more important than the rule of law."
Is stalling until the rule of law of the statute of limitations applies?
Why am I not surprised?
It's time for Ashcroft to re-evaluate a number of other
cases Reno ordered. Starting with U.S. v. Microsoft.
I think we can be assured that that one had no leg to stand
on.
You speak for me DO.
Did you miss this part?
"COMING THURSDAY: Public Integrity Section Chief Lee Radek, criticized for steering the Chinagate probe away from the White House, has a friend in Robert Mueller, President Bush's pick to replace FBI Director Louis Freeh."
Editor's note: If you would like to let Justice Department officials know how you feel about their handling of the Campaign Financing Task Force investigation, you can contact them at the following phone numbers or e-mail addresses:
For any FBI/DOJ lurkers, I could express my opinion about the topic and the individuals involved but then you would spend more time and effort investigating me than you have prosecuting TREASON!
If you are not part of the solution, you are part of the problem. I consider any member of the FBI/DOJ (Except LaBella) to be nothing better than politicians. Why don't you a step up the vocational food chain and become used car salesmen?
"Liberalism must be crushed!"
wrong it is LEFTISM, not liberalism.
Most "liberals" don't realize they have adorned the cloak of liberalism but they are in policy and deed LEFTISTS, nea MARXISTS!
"History has informed us that bodies of men as well as individuals
are susceptible of the spirit of tyranny."
--Thomas Jefferson:
Rights of British America, 1774.
The "Liberals" have caught the "spirit"!
Mr Smith: WRITE A BOOK....NOW!! Show us the diagrams ......and the lawyer of Don Tyson helping the little nobody from the Phillipines just about PROVES that Don Tyson is DIRTY and CORRUPT!
"The message that comes through loud and clear is that the system isn't working." Amen.
This is not news, it is common knowledge that Baby Killer Janet Reno's only job as atty. gen. was to protect the Clintons as they broke law after law. The news is Bush's Admin. continues this protection of the Clinton crime gang.
But, at the last minute, Justice officials denied their request for a search warrant.
This story is outrageous! I doubt these crimes will ever get investigated.
Did your marginally coherent reply attempt to mean that you think that Bush is stalling, until the statute of limitations runs out, because he thinks that pursuing Clinton, in the teeth of partisan media fury, is a loser?
I would pursue Clinton anyway. I would make it my sacred mission in life, to see him in Leavenworth. But what did you mean?
Not that I put it past Bush to try to sweep it under the rug. Or past Clinton to drag some of it out again -- he wants to be in the spotlight, to steal Bush's thunder. He wants an excuse to engage Bush in a national debate, because he's convinced he can whip Bush and make him look like a loser -- thus opening the door for Hillary. Once, the notoriety would have been toxic, and it would have killed Clinton's reputation. But he has corrupted the electorate, with the help of the media. He has managed to convince the people that matters of felony are just "political". The people themselves are lost and rotten, and they see things Slick's way (hence his battle cry: "They always get it right!" -- meaning, "I can sucker these losers 24/7/365 -- the great Amurrican PEE-pul! Haw, haw, haw!!").
So, maybe Bush isn't trying to sweep things under a rug as much as just cut Clinton's air off.
Bump against corruption of our government.
If Bush wants to be a President and advert hostilities in this country, then he better step up to the plate and swing his best. This "we need to move forward" crap isn't doing this country any good, maybe his re-election efforts, but not this country.
I wish I could disagree with you.
They could have steered media members in the right direction.
Whom would you have suggested as a friendly media contact? Kitty Graham? Sidney Blumenthal? Al Neuharth? Margaret Carlson? How about the Los Angeles Times?
Get my drift? It would have been suicide for any square DoJ or FBI employee to do a "Deep Throat". The Lie-berals would have hunted him down and fed him to the First Felon, and he'd have wound up like Barry Seal. Too bad, so sad, he got a little careless and a bust went bad.
If that doesn't do it for you, try renting The Pelican Brief again.
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If they would have been fired for doing so, at least they could have sleep good at night knowing that the right thing was done.
What, and watch their children float by in the Potomac?
In a just world, Sperry would get a Pulitzer and the Grifters and their confederates would get 40 years....
"They didn't have the wiring diagram," Smith said.
That's one of my all-time favorite quotes. I think that Smith was suggesting there is a connection between Tyson and the illegal Chinese campaign contributions to Clinton. The testimony of those FBI agents in the Senate committee hearing was incredible. Unfortunately, C-SPAN never broadcast it.
I'm looking forward to I. C. Smith's book, but the FBI's effort to censor it is deplorable. Some tin-foil hatters believe that Smith was the leader of a cover-up of the murder of the 'Boys on the Tracks' - Ives and Henry - by CIA drug runners from the goofy Mena conspiracy theory. But when Smith's book comes out, I think he will be highly regarded by most FReepers.
"This should have leaked years ago. The fact that it didn't says volumes. FBI Agents in the know allowed the DOJ to subvert the justice system of the United States. They didn't have to come forward on the record. They could have steered media members in the right direction. Instead FBI agents allowed this nation to be placed at risk. I have nothing but contempt for those who come forward now. As far as I am concerned, they should be placed in prison right along with Reno. You can't put the Genie back in the bottle boys. You sold us out to protect your own jobs. Evidently the nation didn't mean enough to you to take a stand. God how I prayed that just one of you would. But I guess even God can't influence the likes of some people any longer."
9 Posted on 07/17/2001 01:47:33 PDT by DoughtyOne
This reads so good that I wanted to see it again. Thanks DoughtyOne, Very well stated.
Exactly - This corruption should have been exposed as it happened. Failure to do so was not only immoral, but also illegal. (Failure to report a felony, accessory after the fact - before the fact?.)
These agents need to try to make amends.
I disagree on the death sentence alibi.
First, if the govy is that corrupt - all the more reason to act to save the Republic.
Second, FBI agents are scholloed in the craft (Hanassan(sp) for example). A few info drops can be made without much risk.
Third, principled journalists are available: Sperry, Gerth, Gertz to name a few.
These agents let us down.
I think several posts have pointed out that making amends now does not alter the consequences - the door is open, a precedent not set but shown to be effective, and Clinton can walk the streets a free man.
What this tells me is that forums such as FR must evolve into something more than a debating society; they need to nurture legal and popular action.
Links to the streaming video of the September 22, 1999 hearings on the handling of the Trie case.
Unfortunately, it looks like Part II is a dead link. I think that was the one with the testimony of the FBI agents. Did Joseph Lieberman order that video link removed?
These agents let us down.
It wasn't the field agents who were at fault here. They were ready to move in and take the files. It was their superiors in Washington who obstructed the investigation.
Totally agree with you; the field agents are the "bottom feeders" and although they were adept enough at their job to see profound wrongdoing, but it would never gone anywhere, especially with Reno leading the way.
2 honest FBI agents have come forward: Gary Aldrich and an Agent Rogosky. I sure with Agent Rogosky would freepmail me.
2 honest FBI agents have come forward: Gary Aldrich and an Agent Rogosky. I sure wish Agent Rogosky would freepmail me.
First, if the govy is that corrupt - all the more reason to act to save the Republic.
It's one thing to fix a public-corruption case for political reasons. But this one doesn't just involve politicians. It involves a foreign country and the likely compromise of national security, since illegal donations came from Communist China while policy toward China softened dramatically,
or, in a word: TREASON.
has Radek been sucessfully assimilated into the ashcroft justice dept?
BTTT
"has Radek been sucessfully assimilated into the ashcroft justice dept?"
I think his Pod opened some time back. Right after Ashcroft's.
Aldrich and Rogosky bump
My point is that the agents did not reveal the corruption above them, and they could have.
The agents let us down.
I'm looking forward to I. C. Smith's book, but the FBI's effort to censor it is deplorable. Some tin-foil hatters believe that Smith was the leader of a cover-up of the murder of the 'Boys on the Tracks' - Ives and Henry - by CIA drug runners from the goofy Mena conspiracy theory. But when Smith's book comes out, I think he will be highly regarded by most FReepers.
from this exclusive interview with I.C.(& his recent unsuccessful FOI suit) it does seem that he is not the "team player" that many felt him to be.
I'm waiting on the book, here boss.
So far, in this area, Bush's administration looks like AlGore Lite. I would be ecstatic if he and Ashcroft prove me wrong. Of course, I won't hold my breath.
the long arm of the law is acoming....trust me
Bumpin' this one back to the top, John!
GO PAUL SPERRY GO!
bump to read tonight
As I said on the other thread about this article - it's now up to Freepers to FLOOD the media, Congress and White House AND DOJ with demands for justice in this matter. We, the public, are making a difference - i.e. actions in TN, Oregon and Condit investigation. Now is not the time to give up. Send this article to your reps and local media and DEMAND action. My headline was "WE, THE VOTERS, ARE FED UP AND WANT JUSTICE"
We live in hope, CS. We live in hope.
Also contact Paul Sperry at WorldNet Daily and request that he get into this subject tonight when he's on with O'Reilly.
How about Reed Irvine, Jane Chastain, Oliver North, Chris Ruddy, Rush Limbaugh, George Putnam, Ray Briem, Fox News or the Washington Times? There are descent people in the media. Surely the FBI could come up with a name or two.
Thank you.
Thanks for the heads up!!!
The only difference between a liberal and a communist is that a communist KNOWS what he is doing.
LIBERALISM IS SOCIETAL LEPROSY!
"It involves a foreign country and the likely compromise of national security, since illegal donations came from Communist China while policy toward China softened dramatically,...
or, in a word: TREASON.
I agree. William Jefferson Clinton, forty-second President of the United States, knowingly sold his office to a hostile foreign government for money. He should be tried for his life, for high treason.
"has Radek been sucessfully assimilated into the ashcroft justice dept?"
Why hasn't Radek been arrested and charged? Misprision of a felony is itself a felony. The whole bunch of them are vulnerable, including Janet Reno.
This wound will not heal until Clinton and his lieutenants are sealed into a federal penitentiary. His misconduct in office is an open, running sore.
These FBI people are willing to talk after the fact, what a shame they had not the backbone to speak up at the time. I have no respect for them now. As law enforcement people why did they not act then, tape recordings or whatever, judges never turn them down for permits on the unwashed. They were go along to get along then people then and now. Little people, enablers.
No, it has to be pursued. The wound has to be cauterized, before it becomes gangrenous. The whole society has to preserve the ability to move against people like Clinton -- one of whom may be another Republican, another Nixon, some day -- so that the magistrates charged with the duty to prosecute wrongdoing will never again be tied up and baffled the way they were under Bill Clinton.
You and other posters have suggested some names, but I see none on the list, with the possible exception of Limbaugh, that the Left Media (but then I repeat myself) couldn't hush up and cover over. Remember that Brent Bozell and MRC documented that it took over 600 days for ABC's "Nightline" and other mainstream news conduits (sluiceways?) to take up seriously the Whitewater story -- it was just inconvenient to their purposes.
So, what would have been happening to those FBI agents during that 600 days, while they were waiting for national attention (that they would have to rely on) to come to their rescue, while Limbaugh et al. whaled away at the story in a vacuum? Those guys would have wound up in Chesapeake Bay.
The key is to get a journo out there with it who has chops, whom the Lie-beral Octopus can't ignore. It just occurred to me, but -- do you suppose Bob Woodward would have taken up such a story? He was busy with his book about the Supreme Court about that time, IIRC; but would he have met with these FBI men to pursue a story about corruption on a staggering scale in an Administration whose policies he generally probably supported? Or would he have acted without regard to partisanship, pro bono?
>>I am not surprised that these revelations are now coming out, but I am VERY dismayed that the Bush Administration and the DOJ, in gutless splendor, will now continue to ignore these crimes. WHY? ... because Bush wants the nation's focus on HIS agenda rather than on Clinton - as if his agenda were more important than the rule of law.<<
Sad to say,but I am mostly in agreement with you on this. I would also add "lack of political courage" to the mix,as he is terrified of the media accusing him of "being on a vendetta" against Bubba.
>>Liberalism must be crushed!
The idea is catching on. <<
Why do you keep saying this? You KNOW that it is the left who are our enemies,and they are no more "liberal" than Stalin was. Change it to "LEFTISM (or statism,or fascism) must be crushed!",or look like a fool.
>>As law enforcement people why did they not act then,<<
The reality is because if they had,they would have lost their jobs and their retirement pay. Most/many of them had a lot of years invested in their careers,and this would have been a serious "hit" on them. Being fired or forced to resign from the FBI would insure that none of them would ever again get a job in law enforcement,and that's ALL they knew how to do. They would have lost everything they owned including their houses,and ended up working as minimum-wage security guards at a local mall.
Like it or not,this same thing will happen with your local "good buddy" cops when/if they are ever ordered to kick in doors and confiscate guns. He might TELL you he would never do this,and that he would resign first,but he is lying. When push comes to shove,the vast majority of people put themselves ahead of everyone else and everything else.
Your answer to that one was that Woodward claims to this day that Clinton was child's play compared to Nixon. What more needs to be said. Nixon has been vilified for thirty years.
The man certainly did have his flaws, but compared to Clinton he wasn't even in the game. Treason? Murder? Cash from our communist adversary? Yeah, that sure compares to a breakin and obstruction.
Woodward was a whore for his duel pimps Katherine Graham and his editor (I want to say Bradly, but I'm drawing a blank), both obcessed with bringing down Nixon. The proof for me was his complete hands off on Clinton.
Ideology is an unforgiving taskmaster! Woodward was a good little boy... (for those who buy the leftist's propaganda)
Dear Sneaky,
Point taken about the distinction between liberalism and Stalinism......but speaking just for myself, considering what liberalism has accomplished (seniors totally dependent on government checks, more and more people dependent for their health care on the yawning maw of Medicare, schools turned into Trotskyite, misocaucasian propaganda mills, etc.), I'll take a little of her liberalism-crushing any day.
The key to crushing liberalism is, how to repair the damage, and the damage to the people's self-respect, without being vindictive or overbearing (i.e., acting like liberals).
Sneaky,
Keeping in mind, furthermore, that the slogan of the Left in the 60's was, "evolution feeding revolution" -- their apothegmatization of what we called "salami-slicing" the issues -- you can begin to see her point that, scratch pink paint and you'll find red underneath.
Liberals always tried to sound humane and caring....but at the end of the day, as guys like Von Mises and Hayek knew, the nice eventually had to stop, and the guns would come out. Liberalism is socialism, and socialism is intrinsically coercive. Squash a liberal, squash a commie. Sounds simple as simple gets, but it's true. So let's hear it for old Dick Nixon one more time -- Leftie-squasher, size Large!
"Earlier that day, agents thought they had a green light to search Trie's home to stop the further destruction of evidence that they'd discovered while sifting through Trie's garbage cans."
Hmmm. Makes you wonder if cash was the only thing in THIS bag:
“When I registered our website, climtontrust.com, I used my real name and my personal e-mail account,” Healy said. Within hours, the information appeared on the Conservative web forum FreeRepublic.com, and the Constitution-loving Clinton-hating E-mail started pouring in. The anonymity also discouraged spontaneous visits from shady donors. “At the last trust,” Healy said, referring to an earlier incarnation of the Clinton defense fund, “Charlie Trie showed up at the office with a bag of money and plopped it down on the desk.”
Well, obstruction of justice was a serious charge....until Clinton did it. Well, it had been a less serious charge previously, too, while Lyndon Johnson (another pol with dead bodies around his neck) was the incumbent.
I take your point about Woodward -- that he is only a golem for the Left, not a go-getter of whatever truth is out there.
And what color is the sky in YOUR world? When a person mentions 'liberal' in this day and age (this reality ... the actual one, Pete), anyone but a rare few would think of the present day neo liberals such as those who presently populate the Democratic party freak show. The modern liberal is an amoral, opportunistic, prevaricating, big-government marxist slavery-lover. If I were speaking only to the infinitesimal minority who think of classical liberals such as Jefferson, then I would do it your way, and truly be an innefective communicator ... and a fool. It's time to sneak back to reality, Pete. Or (let's be honest, Pete) perhaps you just can't stand any attack against the amoral neoliberalism that you always seem to support in your wacky posts.
LIBERALISM IS SOCIETAL LEPROSY!
This is great but nobody but FReepers really care. The American sheeple don't want to know.
Klinton was bad, but our "fellow citizens" are far worse. They are living at the doorstep of a corrupt totalitarian state and don't know, don't care, don't think.
In the sweet By and By . . .
The current administration consistently chooses the easy way, not the RIGHT way.I worked for these men after the party nomination, but it was with a heavy heart.Conservatives won on platform issues (as usual), but we lost the war (as usual).
I don't want a tax cut, I want to tell be able to tell my children, "The presidency is an office that is earned, not bought. Our country values integrity over gain. Leadership is not consensus, but standing up for what is right. Look at ______, our current president, he has proven by his actions that he beleives in our laws and the laws of God. He did what was right in spite of personal, party or political consequence."
I am still saving this one. I pray I can use it during the next 3 or so years, but I will be very surprised if I do.
>>Liberalism is socialism,<<
No,it is NOT! Thomas Jefferson and Ben Franklin were "Liberals". "Liberals" believe in freedom,NOT in police states.
>>If I were speaking only to the infinitesimal minority who think of classical liberals such as Jefferson, then I would do it your way, and truly be an innefective communicator ... <<
It's nice to know you are so mentally lazy you let the left define the terms for you. Does "Republican" also mean "Nazi" in "Thorndir World"?
>>and a fool.<<
You are already a fool. You have something explained to you at the kindergaten level,and don't want to listen because it ruins your tag line.
>>It's time to sneak back to reality, Pete. Or (let's be honest, Pete) perhaps you just can't stand any attack against the amoral neoliberalism that you always seem to support in your wacky posts.<<
ESAD,puke. You have no idea what "reality" means,either. If you did,you wouldn't be so quick to bend over and grab your ankles for the left as they push their propoganda to make themselves look good.
After eight long years of Bill Clinton and Janet Reno, it is little wonder that the FBI has become a second rate organization. Must have been terribly demoralizing.
Richard W.
Child, can't you find something better to do than follow from thread to thread those who have offended you. Go away, child. Or grow up and find something intelligent to do.
LIBERALISM IS SOCIETAL LEPROSY!
>>Child, can't you find something better to do than follow from thread to thread those who have offended you.<<
Where the hell did you come up with this from? I have never followed you or anyone else from thread to thread. Then again,you are probably delusional enough to think this is "your" thread and I have to get your permission to post on it.
>>Go away, child. Or grow up and find something intelligent to do.<<
I'm 54 years old,and obviously brighter than you. Then again,it appears the average Kennedy is brighter than you. They understand the power positive words have to hide negative actions.
>>LIBERALISM IS SOCIETAL LEPROSY!<<
You STILL either don't understand what a liberal is,or are so stupid you are willing to fight the battle of words after allowing the enemy to define the terms. Maybe you should change your tag line to read "Ignorance can be cured,but stupidity is forever!"?
54? Gads! How pathetic! Go away, child. I'm not about to follow your goofy advice, so just give it up and go away. Stop following me.
LIBERALISM IS SOCIETAL LEPROSY!
>>54? Gads! How pathetic! Go away, child.<<
More proof of your stunning intellect?
>>I'm not about to follow your goofy advice, so just give it up and go away.<<<
"Goofy advice"? ROFLMAO!
>>Stop following me.<<
Paranoid too,huh? Nobody is following you.
>>The idea is catching on.<<
Yeah,I can tell.
Thomas Jefferson and Ben Franklin were "Liberals". "Liberals" believe in freedom,NOT in police states.
Well, some sorting-out of definitions is in order. Classical liberals of the 19th century, who owed their intellectual debt to Jefferson and Locke, are the libertarian and social conservatives of today. Jefferson would probably have been more toward the libertarian end, but his statements opposing slavery and favoring its abolition speak to his having uses for strong regulation. It would, I think you'll agree, certainly have been strong regulation to abolish slavery over the objections of the planters. All those crispy brick chimneys and stone columns all over the South speak to a certain robustness in the classical 19th-century liberal Republicans' flavor for regulation!
Modern Liberals are Hobbesians and a lot closer, IMHO, to the enthusiasts of "enlightened despotism" than they are to Locke or the Framers.
How about Reed Irvine, Jane Chastain, Oliver North, Chris Ruddy, Rush Limbaugh, George Putnam, Ray Briem, Fox News or the Washington Times?
Thing is that none of the above truly exist. It's not news unless it's in the NYT, a.k.a American Pravda. Note what happened to Gary Aldrich - he came forward and media "conservatives" like George Will trashed him and his book.
I can understand people who didn't want to put themselves and their families through hell only to be ignored, ridiculed, defamed, prosecuted - or worse...(don't think the Clinton mafia would be above that).
>>Modern Liberals are Hobbesians and a lot closer, IMHO, to the enthusiasts of "enlightened despotism" than they are to Locke or the Framers. <<
The point is they are NOT "liberals",modern or otherwise. They are statists who are hiding behind the honorable term "liberal" in order to fool people into thinking they are open-minded. Many (most?) are now returing to calling themselves "progressives" now that people are waking up to the fact that there is nothing liberal about the goals of the left. Again,this amounts to them playing word games to win the propoganda war. There is nothing either "liberal" OR "progressive" about slavery.
Just because these people call themselves "liberals" or "progressives" it doesn't mean WE have to call them anything other than what they really are,"statists" or "leftists". We have already lost the battle of ideas when we allow them to define the words used to describe the ideas.
BTW,another perfect example of the semantics being used by the left is the homosexual selection of the word "gay" to describe themselves. This is "spin times 10" since it not only implies homosexuals are all "happy" people,but it also implies that hetrosexuals are "unhappy" people because they "aren't gay". Every time we use the word "gay" to describe a homosexual,we are helping them portray themselves in a positive light,while subtly implying anyone who isn't a homosexual is sad/unhappy. I don't play that game.
I never read the book about Johnson. Can't even think of the name now. But I had heard he was also a rather shadey figure. Realizing this I had always thought it interesting to note how his political career ended. Even the powerful reach the end of their rope like everyone else. It's that prospect that would moderate my actions like it never seems to with people like the Clintons.
Well, I agree that arguement holds weight. But like I said, tipping the right people could have at least gotten the story out without exposing the source to the actions you rightfully fear. If a few would have adopted that policy, we could have been spared quite a bit.
Now in "Barbecued Children" flavor!
bttt
The wayfarer,
Perceiving the pathway to truth,
Was struck with astonishment.
It was thickly grown with weeds.
"Ha," he said,
"I see that none has passed here
In a long time."
Later he saw that each weed
Was a singular knife.
"Well," he mumbled at last,
"Doubtless there are other roads."
Stephen Crane
bump
I admire your semantic scrupulosity. You are right, of course, that there has never been anything truly, genuinely (bet they hate the word "genuine" -- it goes against everything about them) "liberal" about Left statism.
I was looking at the definition of the word "nihilism" the other day, and the third or fourth definition caught my eye -- the one referring to the Russian "nihilists", and what they thought about society and the need for destruction of it, even without a road map for reconstruction. I thought of our "liberal" friends -- maybe we ought to start calling them "nihilists" instead.
They stand in the tradition of the Hobbesian statists and "enlightened despots". In the debate over the Constitution, they were the central-government enthusiasts, ready to build Leviathan because they thought it would serve their business interests. They called themselves "Federalists", which they weren't, and basically lied and deceived the Antifederalists into supporting Hamilton's strong government ideas (remember, he was the solitary delegate from Noo Yawk -- sent to skin the rubes for Da Boys Downtown). The Federalists controlled the printing presses and used that control to lie like a rug until they got their way -- and then they argued against the Bill of Rights (never, ever, ever let them off the hook for that, whenever they puff themselves up and start talking about how farsighted Hamilton was). They told the Antifederalists, well, you know, you'd really be better off without a Bill of Rights, and just claiming "unenumerated rights" -- if you enumerate them and put them in black and white, it might be held against you when you try to reserve rights not enumerated. Talk about mendacious snake-oil! Just imagine the decisions about citizens' rights and the 2A that would have been handed down by the Warren Court without the Bill of Rights! What a very, very different conversation it would be with our "liberal" illiberal friends! (Sample: "Frog!" -- "OK, boss, how high?")
You may be thinking of Robert Caro's book, Years of Lyndon Johnson: The Path to Power (under $9 used at a famous online bookstore). He details Johnson's early career, and necessarily rakes a lot of muck, because there was a lot of it.
Even Molly Ivins said about him once, that he was "a miserable human being". But, being a "liberal" (statist), she called him a "great" president, because of all the power and money the Congress supinely gave him (because he had all these receipts and knew where the bodies were buried). Yeah, Molly. "Great." Keep drooling, slave; just don't rattle your chains too loudly. Might get you into trouble with another up-and-coming "great" statist. One that might shoot you if you annoy him. ( Her. Hitlery. It.)
>>they were the central-government enthusiasts, ready to build Leviathan because they thought it would serve their business interests.<<
This same thought process is what is fueling "The Third Way". It's the same old crap expanded for the international arena. America is no longer big enough for them. They are going after it all. One World Gooberment=International Fascism.
>>they were the central-government enthusiasts, ready to build Leviathan because they thought it would serve their business interests.<<
This same thought process is what is fueling "The Third Way". It's the same old crap expanded for the international arena. America is no longer big enough for them. They are going after it all. One World Gooberment=International Fascism.
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