Reform Party of the United States of America
3281 N. Meadow Mine Pl.
Tucson, AZ 85745
1-877-GO-REFORM
Contacts:
Gerald Moan National Chair (520) 743-9127
Cherilyn Bacon, Press Secretary (949) 433-4087
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Stem Cell Draft
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Contacts: Gerald Moan National Chair (520) 743-9127 Cherilyn Bacon, Press Secretary (949) 433-4087 |
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Thursday, 09 August, 2001
REFORMERS OPPOSE STEM CELL RESEARCH
Tucson, AZ - "Tonight President George Bush made an ambiguous and political decision regarding embryonic stem cell research that should have been decided on principle. He had the opportunity to say, 'We shall value all life and prevent using human beings for research purposes,' as the Reform Party did at our 2001 National Convention. Instead, his support of existing stem cell lines at taxpayer expense sadly places the camel's nose under the tent, creating a potential for continued and ongoing research," said Reform Party National Chairman Gerry Moan.
"President Bush," Moan added, "is ignoring the fact that other more successful options exist for this important research, including adult stem cells and those extracted from the placenta of babies allowed to be born." As this number of stem cells is clearly limited, Reformers fear that either new funding-eligible stem cell lines will be "discovered," the decision will be altered under cover of darkness, or these lines will be cloned.
The Reform Party takes a strong stand against the development of technologies which could be used to clone human beings. It believes that stem cell research could lead to human cloning.
Chairman Moan continued, "The GOP platform states that life begins at conception, but tonight President Bush continued with his sprint away from the pro-life community that helped him win the presidency. Not only does the Reform Party hold a pro-life position, but we mean it. This is why we adopted a platform that calls for legislation to 'Outlaw the use of fetal tissue for genetic or other research, but permit the use of placenta tissues collected following the natural birth of a child.'"
"President Bush has likened his decision to the gravity of sending American troops into combat. Indeed, this decision is as reckless and politically calculated as his decision to keep our troops in the Balkans until the Europeans decide it is okay to bring them home to our shores," said Moan. "We are confident that President Bush's abandonment of positions that protect our sovereignty and promote ethical and moral governance will only help the Reform Party grow. As everyday Americans realize that their principles are being ignored or insulted by both the Democrats and Republicans, we want them to know they now have a new home in the Reform Party."
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Reformed
A Stem Celled Bump
Bump
Bump
The article just about sums up my feelings on the situation.
Aren't you glad you voted for Buchanan? Don't you wish everyone did.
Aren't you glad you voted for Buchanan? Don't you wish everyone did.
REFORM PARTY OPPOSES STEM CELL RESEARCH
So where is Pat Buchanan on this issue. Is he Pubbie or is he Reform?
Pat & Bay, come out of the closet!
Maybe they are right, but it sure is easy to take positions when you don't actually have to govern.
The Republican Party = THE PAST
The Reform Party USA = THE FUTURE
Being a National Delegate to the 2001 Reform Party National Convention was an honor. For the first time, the Reform Party USA took a brave, bold stand on great moral issues; and unlike the Republican Party, the Reform Party is not beholden to Big Money foreign interests and is therefore not hindered to pursue her newly socially conservative platform.
Buchanan or no Buchanan, the Reform Party USA is going places. Jump aboard.
Reformed
I heard searchers think they've found the twin-engine Lockheed Electra which disappeared while carrying Pat and Bey on a final campaign swing from Wake Island to Midway.
Buchanan or no Buchanan, the Reform Party USA is going places. Jump aboard.
Can we conduct experiments on the Reform Party?
It is obviously dead.
In other news, former Reform Party Pat Buchanan was spotted working at the phot department of ain a Walgreen's in Boca Raton, Florida. Asked why he was working in the store, Mr. Buchanan replied: "after my total failure as a Presidential Candidate, I broke my piggy bank for bus fare to Palm Beach County, where I received 99% of my votes from confused senior citizens. After talking with them, I realized that they would not share their bingo money with me, as there was a special on Mu-Mus at Loehmann's. This is the only place that would hire me. If there is anyone out there who still remembers me, please keep in mind that you can hire me for your next halloween party, as my visage has been known to frighten children anywhere."
Pat Buchanan is not a has-been, he is a never-was.
Reform party's chance of winning 2004 Presidential Election equal to a snowball's chance in Baltimore today.
And the Reform Party's Congressional delegation says?
I wish they'd said this just this clearly ahead of time. Part of Bush's problem is that he chose the path, and others get to evaluate his choice.
Show me their analysis of this SPECIFIC path that was delivered AHEAD OF TIME. There really were only so many specific paths that could be taken. It wouldn't have been hard for a well-funded group to have offered their analyses, pre-speech.
You might like this: "Come, Feast on the Children"
http://www.freerepublic.com/forum/a3b74370e489c.htm
Didn't the Reform Party once have a pro-choice plank? Whatever happened to it?
Hasn't the Reform Party imploded yet? After that nasty, nasty fight over the nomination last year, I don't think that many voters will take the Reform Party seriously for a while.
Plus, the mediocrity of Pat's vote count isn't helping too well, either. I don't even remember if he beat Harry Browne.
Of course, this is all just my opinion.
Why am I suprised that Pat opposes stem cell research. He will do and say anything to get over his current 1/2 of one percent standing in the polls.
it sure is easy to take positions when you don't actually have to govern
... your idea of a "position" is reacting to what someone else does instead of being pro-active.
The RP simply waited to release this until they could make sure they differentiated themselves from the President's position. Instead of showing any principle or leadership themselves, they choose to play camp followers.
Didn't the Reform Party once have a pro-choice plank? Whatever happened to it?
The brigadeers running the show tossed it for a pro-life plank that is nonetheless weaker than the GOP position.
Can we conduct experiments on the Reform Party? It is obviously dead.
And does it have stem cells? We might want to pass on them, though. The chance of mutation is just too great. Look the party mutated from Perotistas to buchananites in less than a decade. Who knows what it will be next.
They'll say or do anything that might get them closer to the presidency. No way, no how, would I ever vote for this party. If they thought the people wanted the opposite, they'd go with the flow. No vote comming from here.
This article charges that George Bush doesn't follow principles when he makes decisions, that's not true. It is an important principal to George Bush and his Country Club Republicans always disatnace themselves from conservatives in his party, it is an important principal to always appear to be compassionate in front of rich liberals, so hence GWB is following his normal principals when making this decision. If he agreed with the more radical pro-lifers, then this would make him look bad according to his values and his game-plan.
Pat Buchanan is not a has-been, he is a never-was.
This post is about the Reform Party USA, not about Pat Buchanan. Although Buchanan was the RPUSA Nominee in 2000, Buchanan had absolutely nothing to do with the RPUSA going Pro-Life and socially conservative at its last National Convention two weeks ago in Nashville, Tennessee. As such, the Reform Party USA has shown that its grassroots leaders can direct the Reform Party without robotically following any one person. The Reform Party USA is thus a party that pursues ideas, unlike the Republican Party which acts like an amen corner for anything George W. Bush.
This is a Reform Party post. Not a Buchanan post.
Reformed
The Texas Tumbling Weed
August 9, 2001
BUSH 'LIFE BEGINS WHEN YOU PAY INCOME TAXES'
Following on his earlier failure to advance vouchers to free children from government education, President Bush announced that human embryos can end up in a taxpayer funded body chop-shop.
The only campaign issue that Bush went all out for was to reduce income taxes. Troops are still in Kosovo.
What is next to perish? Probably the Bush support for a 'strict constructionist' will soon be redefined and bite the dust.
When you want Reform vote Reform.
Reform party opposed to everything, news at 11:00....
Mr. 1% (Puke-anan) opposed to Bush...news at 11:00...
Why do I have a feeling that the Reform Party had drafted two press releases for today?
Now that the Reform Party has weighed in on the subject, perhaps Pat B. can take some of the $12 million he swiped from the taxpayers last fall and start running ads denouncing Bush. Maybe he'll even bankroll a speaking tour and bring along Dr. Keyes (who never seems to be working at a real job anyway). They can do the whole fire and brimstone, "America is a Moral Gutter" thing. Then they, being the present day vanilla and chocolate versions of Harold Stassen, can both run for president...again. And then they can both split about 1% of the vote...again.
Aren't you glad you voted for Buchanan? Don't you wish everyone did.
I thought all of Pat's votes were really meant for Gore. At least, that's what Pat said.
Didn't the Reform Party once have a pro-choice plank? Whatever happened to it?
This is a good question, and I'm pleased you asked it.
The Reform Party USA, since its inception in 1995, has never had a plank addressing the issue of abortion. As such, veteran Reformers would argue that the Reform Party was "neutral" on the issue; however, Pro-Life Reformers would refute that by stressing that a silent plank on a great moral issue is actually not a neutral position at all, but rather supports the idea that abortion is not worthy of being addressed. As such, a neutral position actually endorses the status quo.
Two weeks ago, in Nashville, Tennessee, the Reform Party National Convention saw 2/3 of its National Delegates pass a slew of socially conservative planks to the National Platform, one of which was a no-exceptions Pro-Life Plank.
Because it requires 2/3 of the entire Delegation to amend the National Platform, we Reformers feel that the Reform Party USA will forevermore remain Pro-Life, and will benefit whenever the Republicans fail to pursue the same path.
Thanks for the question. We welcome all newcomers.
Reformed
Can any "Reform Party" people answer the question put forward on this thread by others?
Why did the Reform Party wait until after Bush announced his decision to come out with their own statement?
It seems to me that if they really gave a crap about the issue, they might have articulated a stand that could possibly have been an influence on the President's decision.
On the other hand, if they merely wanted an opportunity to bleat about how bad George Bush is, they would wait until after he made his decision, and then find ways to criticize it.
Transparently cynical political calculations do not constitute "reform".
Why am I suprised that Pat opposes stem cell research. He will do and say anything to get over his current 1/2 of one percent standing in the polls.
This Post is about the Reform Party USA, not Pat Buchanan. If you want to discuss the merits of the Reform Party USA's stance on stem cell research, then feel free to engage; however, please refrain from mean-spirited jibes at Pat Buchanan, who had nothing to do with the Reform Party USA's socially conservative platform adoption two weeks ago.
Reformed
So where is Pat Buchanan on this issue.
Pat opposes all research on WASP stem cells but does not have a problem with researchers using immigrant stem cells.
People who take part in the Reform Party are the same people who simply never outgrew Dungeons and Dragons. What else is the Reform convention if not a political role-playing game?
We are confident that President Bush's abandonment of positions that protect our sovereignty and promote ethical and moral governance will only help the Reform Party grow.
I hope Gerry Moan closed his eyes and clicked his heels three times as he typed this.
It is an important principal to George Bush and his Country Club Republicans always disatnace themselves from conservatives in his party
I am a Country Club Republican AND a conservative; he's not distancing himself from me.
The RP simply waited to release this until they could make sure they differentiated themselves from the President's position. Instead of showing any principle or leadership themselves, they choose to play camp followers.
You are totally wrong. Actually, the Reform Party USA has just adopted many new socially conservative planks in Nashville, Tennessee two weeks ago at the 2001 Reform Party National Convention. One of those planks takes a hard-core stand against this kind of stem cell research. As such, in refutation to your ignorant spew above, the Reform Party USA did indeed show principle by acting alone before George W. Bush's came out with his months-long "decision."
Bush couldn't make up his own mind without months-long of "consultation" and studying of opinion polls. Contrarily, the Reform Party USA acted before slow-poke Bush.
Before you go half-cocked by writing falsities, please do your research. The Reform Party USA is now a Pro-Life, socially conservative, nationalist party which is totally unafraid to take brave, bold stands. We don't need to act like "camp followers," as you say. That's Bush's job.
Reformed
Why do I have a feeling that the Reform Party had drafted two press releases for today?
Last night Tony Snow said that Fox got THREE press releases from some organization: "good, bad, maybe"...........duh!
The Reform Party USA is now a Pro-Life, socially conservative, nationalist party which is totally unafraid to take brave, bold stands.
But what will you be tomorrow?
Look the party mutated from Perotistas to buchananites in less than a decade. Who knows what it will be next.
What's so bad about this? Third parties have notoriously never moved beyond the personality of its creator. In contrast, the Reform Party USA has become the first party to pass the baton from Ross Perot, as figurehead, to Patrick J. Buchanan. This is a sign of healthy growth, and shouldn't be shunned.
Reformed
The Reform Party USA is now a Pro-Life, socially conservative, nationalist party which is totally unafraid to take brave, bold stands.
All three members, eh? Amazing.
This is a Reform Party post. Not a Buchanan post.
But you see, while your post may be whatever you want, our replies are whatever WE decide. But you are consistent. Just checked your Partei platform and you still want to censor political activity such as PACS as well as force private companies to give you free advertising. You are just full of demands, aren't you?
LOLOL this from the party that insisted it would take no social positions. LOL
Bush decided that no more embryos could be destroyed for research with federal money. What part of this do people not understand?
Reform party opposed to everything, news at 11:00....
Actually, the Reform Party is for many things, namely an Americanized United States of America; a respect for the Second Amendment; a reverence for the U.S. Constitution; an adherence to the Rule of Law; a return to integrity in politics; and much, much, much more.
If these stances mean that the Reform Party USA is "opposed to everything," as you say, then count me in, Mr. Liberal.
Reformed.
Boy, it was good to see the RP out in the vanguard, promoting their anti-stem cell stance before last night... oh, wait... they didn't now, did they. They waited until they could use it as yet another way to tear the President down, rather than trying to show leadership.
Perhaps the RP and Libertarian Perty should get together and issue joint releases. Invite Judicial Watch, too. You all excel at keeping quiet until you can "react" to something. And to think that the people in the RP and LP think they'll ever amount to anything by being reactive instead of proactive...
Only 2? I could have sworn they drafted 8 based on what the media had said prior to 8 pm Central last night, and they chose the one that they thought would be most damaging. Even had President Bush shut down ALL stem-cell research (not just embryonic), they would have come out 180-degrees against him.
So Perot wasn't articulating Party policy in this instance?...
Copyright © 1996 Nando.netHow is it that a Pro-life party has a Pro-choice candidate? And not once, but twice.
Copyright © 1996 The Associated PressWASHINGTON (Sep 21, 1996 9:47 p.m. EDT) -- Political positions are upon the land like leaves in an autumn wind. And fall is the especially appropriate season for this campaign because it is one of endings. The final presidential election of the 1900s is also Bill Clinton's last. And Bob Dole, invoking his generation, speaks of this "one more call to serve."
In campaigns, it's never too late to change a position until it's over. But by now the candidates' tax plans are largely tuned, their education ABCs set and the fundamentals of everything from abortion to welfare in place. Even Ross Perot, focusing on a narrower range of subjects, has been drawn out to some extent on many more.
Here is where they stand, on issues by the bushel:
ABORTION:
Clinton -- Supports broad abortion rights. Vetoed bill that would have banned most uses of late-term abortion procedure. "Abortions should be safe, legal and rare. We can lower the number of abortions by emphasizing education, prevention and personal responsibility to reduce the number of unwanted pregnancies."
Dole -- "I support a constitutional amendment to restrict abortion, subject to the exceptions of life of the mother, rape and incest." Long Senate record of voting against liberalized abortion but expresses concern that party anti-abortion policies "not drive people away." Backs ban on late-term abortion procedure.
Perot -- Supports abortion rights. "A decision to have an abortion should only be made between a woman and God."
Wouldn't have been much different than voting for Bush. We get Algore's policies on most issues anyway.
Um, who cares about the reform party?
Who gives a crap what the Reform Party thinks? Like the Libertarians, they will never hold elective office to any extent that would affect our lives, so, who cares???
Boy, you guys sure have put together a winning strategy over there! Here’s just a peek at the Enquiring Minds that are running the show today:
Set the highest ethical standards for the White House and Congress:No more free meals.
Ummm… Vladimer, I’m a little short this week, you mind getting the tab?
Give Congress and the White House the same retirement plans and health care as the average citizen.
Great, congress will just mandate universal health care and retirement plans for everybody. What was a waste of money for 535 people should work out great for 280,000,000 or so.
Pass the Balanced Budget Amendment.
Good luck getting that passed. How do you propose to get two-thirds majority vote in both the House of Representatives and the Senate, as well as majorities in 38 states to agree that it is even a good idea?
Create an annual financial report in plain language so the American people will know whether or not we are following the plan to balance the budget.
Will it come with crayons?
Give the President the Line Item Veto.
If you think it’s a good idea, ask yourself if you would have liked to see Clinton wield it. There will be another “Clinton” though his name might be Daschle or Cuomo.
Reduce the cost of campaigns by shortening the election cycle.
How? Restrict the times of year when people can discuss politics? The election cycle is every day.
Vote on Saturdays and Sundays - not Tuesdays - so working people can get to the polls.
Motor Voter style nonsense. If a person is to incompetent to get to the polls on election day, we’re better off without their vote.
Replace the Electoral College process for electing the President with a direct vote from the citizens - so that every vote counts.
Geez, another constitutional amendment! I think the document is pretty good as it stands.
Prohibit announcements of exit polls until all voting has been completed in Hawaii.
Nice, you can throw out the 1st Amendment as well, since you’ll be tinkering with it so much already.
Require Members of Congress to raise all money from voters in their districts, and require members of the Senate to raise all money from voters within their States.
See above. Political contributions have been recognized as “free speech” in numerous SC decisions.
Limit Members of Congress to three terms in the House of Representatives and limit Senators to two terms in the Senate.
And yet another constitutional amendment appears. This one is designed to further restrict who we, as citizens, are allowed to vote for.
Create a new tax system:
It must be fair.
“Fair.” Nice to see that you won’t pass an amendment against class warfare.
It must be paperless.
I’ll whisper my payments in.
Require that any future tax increases under this new system be approved by the people in the next federal election, in order to impose discipline on spending.Keep these programs dynamic, so they can be changed based on experience - don't freeze them with restrictive legislation.
In other words, make it very difficult to change, while simultaneously making it easy to make changes.
Get a consensus.
That should be easy. Everybody agrees not to vote Reform.
The Hindenberg, USFL, Susan B. Anthony coins, WIN buttons, Edsel, Nehru jackets, MC Hammer's career, the New Coke, The XFL, .....The Reform Party....
Bush favored the Bill Clinton executive order that allows Federal funding on embyronic stem cells instead of following the Federal law that banned this type of research. What don't you understand about that?
The principle, thanks Bush, that Federal government can fund and sanction experimentation on human life for the convenience of the living has been established. Anyone that does think this is the beginning of a problem and not the end is fool.
The irony is that the Reform Party could use a few good stem cells.
Pat opposes all research on WASP stem cells but does not have a problem with researchers using immigrant stem cells.
There are several things wrong with your post:
1) WASP stands for White Anglo-Saxon Protestant. Patrick J. Buchanan is a Catholic and therefore NOT a WASP.
2) Buchanan is NOT racist or racialist and and therefore his he has no political position that takes race into account.
3) Being a non-racist Catholic he would naturally oppose stem cell research on all of God's creatures regardless of ethnicity or national origin.
Whew! I forgot to check, so glad to see this was "Breaking News"!!
Bush favored the Bill Clinton executive order that allows Federal funding on embyronic stem cells instead of following the Federal law that banned this type of research. What don't you understand about that?
The principle, thanks Bush, that Federal government can fund and sanction experimentation on human life for the convenience of the living has been established. Anyone that does think this is the beginning of a problem and not the end is fool.
This is confused. Is your objection a legal one or a moral one? I'm not familiar with your legal argument, if true I might agree. The second part is just wrong. The stem cells that he is allowing to be used are not human life. They are stem cells that have already been produced, not embryos. They have no ability to develop into a human being. They are comparable to tissue samples. Bush has decided to prevent federal money from being used to destroy embryos for this research. It is that simple.
Can any "Reform Party" people answer the question put forward on this thread by others? Why did the Reform Party wait until after Bush announced his decision to come out with their own statement?
Actually, it's the other way around. It was Bush who waited until after the Reform Party USA adopted a position on the issue. Although the Reform Party USA put out its Press Release today concerning Bush's decision, the Reform Party USA actually amended its National Platform at its 2001 National Convention in Nashville, TN, two weeks ago. One of the planks, entitled, "ON CLONING/GENETIC MANIPULATION," says, "Outlaw the use of fetal tissue for genetic or other research, but permit the use of placenta tissues collected following the natural birth of a child."
In other words, the Reform Party USA actually did take a stand on this issue - before Bush came out with his "decision."
Moreover, because the Reform Party USA Constitution requires that 2/3 of the entire National Delegation approve amendments to the National Platform, the Reform Party's new stance on this social issue goes to show that the vast majority of its members are steering the Reform Party to a principled conservative direction.
Hope this answers your question.
Reformed
Even had President Bush shut down ALL stem-cell research (not just embryonic), they would have come out 180-degrees against him.
Gore has come out 360 degrees against President Bush.
Looks like we are seeing political expediency get passed around like a dancer at the Atlanta Gold Club.
Pat opposes all research on WASP stem cells but does not have a problem with researchers using immigrant stem cells.
You are a liar, sir. You are completely unworthy to don the name, "truth_eagle," when posting to these boards. If you love truth so much, then post the truth. Your above post about Buchanan is a total mean-spirited smear and libel that has no place on these boards or any other.
Reformed
Not eligible for listing on the ballot in some 40 states due to the great showing in 2000…
But what will you be tomorrow?
Because it requires 2/3 of the National Delegates to amend the Reform Party National Platform, we feel that our Pro Life Plank will never be removed. The Reform Party is now, and will forever remain, a 100% Pro-Life Party. I'm sure this really rubs Republicans the wrong way.
Reformed.
*Snort*
Aren't you glad you voted for Buchanan? Don't you wish everyone did.
I sure wish I did!
I'm sure this really rubs Republicans the wrong way.
Not me. I find it all highly amusing.
Just checked your Partei platform and you still want to censor political activity such as PACS as well as force private companies to give you free advertising. You are just full of demands, aren't you?
Actually, the updated Platform has not yet been posted at ReformParty.org because the National Convention minutes are still being approved. Any day now, the Platform will be visible. As for Campaign Finance Reform, there are plenty of conservative Reformers who wish to see the plank amended so as to approve PAC fundings; however, because so many of the more important planks took lots of time to pass during the Convention, some of the planks, such as Campaign Finance Reform, were unable to be addressed. As such, you can bet your bottom dollar that many of these planks will be changed in 12 months. As for now, we Reformers succeeded at Convention by setting the direction upon which the Reform Party will sail from now on: to a conservative route.
Reformed.
Definitely not aimed at you Ol'Sparky!
It'll only bring me flames -- but I have just had it. No more can one go to ANY thread on FR without some evil imp following along to turn it into a bloody brawl.
Too bad there isn't a banner for PORE Winnermen.
If these people who just run from thread to thread bashing or defining every single person or thing that they are into bashing spent an iota of effort in just reading and being informed instead of rushing to judgement on any and all who are NOT in lockstep, I guess FR would perish from the earth.
No discussions here -- just attacks and the use of clever sniping and cut downs and insults to anything and everything. The intellectual snobbery defies rationalization.
I lost my Mom last week -- a "friend" who called to inform me of the loss of a mutual and close friend, very unexpectedly, said to me "Well, your Mom has been dying for years!" Pretty cutting and unthinking of her, doncha think?
That is the spirit of FR anymore ... I know there are some of the same "crowd" who will call this an exercise in vanity to post at all, but FR, for me, this week and for a bit (maybe just today, for all I know) is a "nice place to visit, but I sure don't think I live here and am not TOO sure I even want to, anymore."
Sick of Catholic bashing, sick of Keyes bashing, sick of total bashing of GW (since I do like the man, just think he is a sleeve off the old suit), sick of Buchanan bashing ... and sick of bashing those we claim to be in agreement with,overall.
I'm whining, but not whining in the sense you might think (the one accusation hurled that made me "hurl" on FR today)-- I'm crying for myself so I guess I might do better for a while, by myself!
I'm open to hearing more from the Reform Party...they finally are making sense across the board, it sounds. W just lost his second term, mark my words. Or, he'll become like his daddy and keep lurching left to make it close. Either you are pro-life or you aren't W...words are great, actions are 'money'.
LOLOL this from the party that insisted it would take no social positions.
Exactly. The Old Guard of the Reform Party made this ridiculous demand to stay "neutral." But, we conservatives had better ideas: to make the Reform Party USA a socially conservative, nationalist, America First party who is unafraid to take strong stands on great moral issues. As of two weeks ago, the Reform Party USA is now a totally Pro-Life Party with many other socially conservative planks.
I agree that it is ironic. But, don't mock it. Welcome it.
Reformed.
Don’t you love it…. The party will really be a factor according to their head honcho….
What a shill.
"Slinky, get back in your hole..."
Its good to know that, in these turbulent times, with battles of moderate vs. conservative, Republican vs. Democrat, and Libertarians vs. the sane, that we can all work out our frustrations in a game of "Whack-a-Buchanan."
Ouch!
Now that's a winning platform:
"Uh, what do you stand for?"
"Duh, I dunno!".
How is it that a Pro-life party has a Pro-choice candidate? And not once, but twice.
The answer to your question is simple. The Reform Party USA has now been systematically transformed due to the grassroots efforts of conservative and Pro-Life activists. Ross Perot no longer represents what the Reform Party stands for. We Reformers formally amended our Platform two weeks ago in Nashville, TN; and have now become a totally Pro-Life, socially conservative party.
If you're going to be posting articles on this board to refute our positions, then at least post recent articles that quote our National Platform.
Reformed.
Perhaps the RP and Libertarian Perty should get together and issue joint releases
Yeah! The Reform Party could issue the releases, the Libertarians could issue the joints! Actually, the Libertarians will just keep the joints and smoke them while saying "They're mine mine MINE!"
Yes, should'nt we all give them a chance to lie and deceive, twist and turn, like Bushes do? Let's put a Reformer in office and see if they stand up to their words! Why let GOPers and Democridiots have all the fun...
Like the Libertarians, they will never hold elective office to any extent that would affect our lives, so, who cares???
Do you have the power to see into the future?
If so, who made you God?
If not, then why do you lie?
Reformed.
And Pat wants to come back and save the GOP? Pass!
Pat runs on a platform of Nationalism right? Was a winning issue for Adolf.
Nationalism is stupid. Xenophobia is dumb. Isolationism is silly. "Fair" trade is worse.
:-)
Boy, Bush was sure pro-something last night....great delivery, touching content...then the little ray of darkness for all those blinded by their own...ah, never mind. You won't get it in a million years...
Sorry to hear about your loss, offering my condolence.
Actually, the Reform Party is for many things, namely… a reverence for the U.S. Constitution
A quick glance at the updated positions of your party includes at least four positions that would, by definition, require four separate constitutional amendments.
Elimination of the electoral college
Term limits on congress
A Balance Budget amendment
A presidential line item veto
In addition, your plans to restricting news organizations from announcing their own exit polling data and your proposed restrictions on free speech in the form of political contributions have also been ruled unconstitutional, and would require additional amendments to be enacted.
Your platform is hardly a display of reverence for the document. Not by a long shot.
Just wait til PJB starts executing the dirty Messcans who sneak into the USA ans steal jobs like picking up chicken sh!t 15 hours a day for $1/hr! You wanna see Constitutional issues????
Hey! I never out grew D&D, and am far to bright to think that having no plank on an issue is silent condemnation.
I'll vote Reformed party (they change so often) right after they have enough congressmen and senators to have a chance at an effective presidency (1/3 would be nice, I'll settle for 1/4). Note to members of RP: I smoke you better hurry if you want my vote.
Remember this is the party of Perot. If it's not in a graph they're against it.
Malcolm wrote:
Like the Libertarians, they will never hold elective office to any extent that would affect our lives, so, who cares???
To which you replied:
Do you have the power to see into the future?
If so, who made you God?
If not, then why do you lie?
Reformed, thank you very much for that. I was a Perot sympathizer many years ago, and I appreciated his candor about the national debt. Paying off the debt is genuine reform, the likes of which neither the Democrats or the Republicans seem to have a very good handle on.
I dislike seeing you folks, or those of the Constitution Party flamed by smug Republicans. There is nothing I hate worse that seening good people slandered for no other reason than they can't stomach the rhinoceroses.
Now, I have had my spats with Reform Party people, Willie Green for one example, but by and large members of the Reform and Constitution parties are my brothers as much as the Republicans.
The good news is the Democrats have the same problem. Ever hear a Democrat loyalist speak of Nader? Why, you'ld think he was a Republican. :)
"Liechtenstein Opposes US Nuclear Weapons Policy"
That was a child's response; I've never seen anything worth my time from 3rd parties, and never will. The only way reform or libertarian contrarians will ever be elected to anything other than small-time office is through mass deception. No intelligent person votes for 3rd parties. Perot, Buchanan, Venture, Browne: these 3rd party "gems" are just too creepy.....
Your platform is hardly a display of reverence for the document. Not by a long shot.
Actually, you're not looking at the Platform, but rather the "Founding Principles." In fact, the newly updated Platform has not yet been posted, but shall be posted any day now (as the Secretary is approving the Convention Minutes). You actually quoted the "Founding Principles," which were written before we social conservatives entered the party. Most of us (in fact approximately 90% of us) would like to see many of those things scrapped, such as the statement against the electoral college. However, because we only had four days to convene in Nashville, some of the planks did not get addressed in Convention (although the very important ones did get addressed, such as abortion, immigration, stem cell, cloning, homosexuals in military, and more). As such, we fully expect to finish our work in progress at our next convention in 12 months.
Our main goal in Nashville was to steer the party in a socially conservative direction. We succeeded. Thus, with this God-given success, we will work to finish what we started.
Reformed.
Remember this is the party of Perot. If it's not in a graph they're against it.
Actually, this is not the party of Perot any longer. Perot had his chance to help the party last year, and chose to fund those forces who attempted to destroy it rather than see it smoothly transform to a conservative party. This Reform Party is the party of the people who want to protect Life, Liberty, Property, and Reform for all Americans, born and unborn.
Reformed.
"Bush couldn't make up his own mind without months-long of "consultation" and studying of opinion polls. Contrarily, the Reform Party USA acted before slow-poke Bush. "
President Bush used the last two months to fuel a national debate over the morality of destroying human embryos to save the lives of millions of critically ill Americans.
Before he created this national discussion, almost no one outside the pro-life community even knew what a stem cell was.
According to the polls I have seen, a majority of Americans support his decision, meaning that they recognize that embryos are entitled to some degree of protections afforded humans.
Compare this debate to the issue of a year ago when Americans were trying to decide whether it was moral to suck the brains out of a baby about to be born. If you can't appreciate the tremendous victory this represents for the pro-life movement, you aren't truly a pro-life believer, you are just a Bush-hater.
Is the Deformed party still around? They won't be getting any matching funds next time. Who cares what their position on anything is?
You miss the point of my post. Someone claimed that the Reform Party "waited" until Bush's decision before it came out with a position of its own. I merely responded that the Reform Party actually did come out with its position before Bush came out with his. My post was therefore not to question the merits of Bush's decision, but rather to refute that person's claim that the Reform Party was not a leader, but rather a follower.
Reformed.
but permit the use of placenta tissues collected following the natural birth of a child.
See, even when the RP makes sense they don't make sense. What about the umbilical cord? What about C-sections?
I really would like to support the third part movement. I subscribe to their most central belief (that the two parties have moved too close together). But all the third parties are just being goofy. Everybody guns for the presidency, how do you guys expect to get anything passed? Let's say Pat won. Well we know all the Democrats would vote against his bills because they'd see him as a disguised Republican; and the Reps would vote against him because they'd see him as a traitor. Nothing he proposed would get passed, and most of his vetos would get overturned. The whole third party movement needs to take a deep breath and remember how power flows in this country. You need governors, congressmen and senators. Then if you get a president he could do something.
Frankly the third party movement shouldn't even be running presidential candidates, those terrible poll showing are why we get to make fun of you so much. When your pres candidate doesn't even get a blip in the national returns we cannot take you seriously (especially after the comparatively good numbers gotten 4 and 8 years ago). On the other hand if you win a few elections you turn into a force, Ventura's win did more for the RP in 24 hours than all of Perot's speaches combined. You have to build a power base BEFORE assaulting the mountain, otherwise you're just political versions of Don Quixoti.
You got 20 times the voters (as a percentage of the total vote) as the party of Perot. Might want to rethink that position. As loony as Boss Ross was, the RP was very close to being a real political force when he was in charge. You had good numbers and enough momentum to win a governorship. Since then the RP spots on ballots have been gathering serious dust.
How? Restrict the times of year when people can discuss politics? The election cycle is every day.
Vote on Saturdays and Sundays - not Tuesdays - so working people can get to the polls.
Actually Saturdays and Sundays during football season would be a very bad time to conduct elections. November is the month when most of the important rivalry games are played. I think this is a plot to keep white men away from the polls.
Frankly the third party movement shouldn't even be running presidential candidates, those terrible poll showing are why we get to make fun of you so much.
Actually, poll numbers can be inflated and deflated based upon the coverage that the national media gives third party candidates. It just so happens that the media specifically chooses not to cover third party candidates in a serious manner, unless it's some kind of "special interest story" or something.
As such, we have a Catch-22 problem: In order to rise in the polls, you need media coverage. However, in order to get media coverage, you need to rise in the polls.
The only reason why Ross Perot did so well was because he bought much of his own coverage in those long 30-minute infomercials on national television. Unfortunately, most people do not have the kind of money that Perot has, so third parties are at the mercy of the media. Moreover, because the Republicans and Democrats are funded by the same interests that control the media, they ultimately have no interest to change the status quo. Therefore, there is no incentive for third parties to try to "change the system from within." An attempt to "change the system from within" will face just as much as an uphill climb as trying to change the sytem from without.
Reformed.
Thanks much for your great responses.
BTW Buchanan wants to protect the borders of this country just like Sharon. We should learn from Sharon.
I know the Reform party wrote their platform first, but would that plank have even been included had President Bush initiated the national debate?
In my opinion, the issue of $250 mill for research (only part of which involved embryo cells), is insignifucant compared to the changing of the way that Americans now view the human nature of the unborn.
I can't wait to watch the public outrage the first time Teddy Kennedy and the NOW representatives argue against the confirmation of a Supreme Court nominee because he doesn't believe the Constitution says a doctor has the right to suck the brains and crush the head of a baby trying to enter the world.
The President knew what he was doing all the time.
While I will agree that media coverage hurts your numbers this was a drop of 95% from the '96 election. That's a lot bigger than I (an ardent media basher) can attribute to them. The most generous i can be in this thought experiment is to say fair media coverage would have multiplied your vote by 10. That still would have resulted in a 50% drop from '96.
In the end though, this line of reasoning supports my proposal that the RP (and all the other third parties out there) need to focus on state and local elections. Media time is cheaper, and the media isn't as necessary because you aren't trying to reach 250 million people. If the RP can pull off 10% penetration in the state representation areas (gov, cong, sen), and maybe a few mayorals just for fun BOOM, there's your serious party concideration. The media can't deny you then, because by that point you've cracked the 2 party myth. If you can crank it up to 20 or 30 percent you're big time. I think the eyes of the third party movement have gotten bigger than their capabilities. I know running for president sounds cool, and a lot of people think the position has a lot of power, but it really doesn't especially standing with no allies. And failure at that level is so very visible it's really not worth the risk.
Aren't you glad you voted for Buchanan?
Why would anyone be glad if they voted for Buchanan? His 0.05% of the vote isn't what got the Tax Cut, and Missle Defense Progress. In fact, voters for Buchanan in Florida could have very well gotten Gore into the White House, if it weren't for Nader.
"In the end though, this line of reasoning supports my proposal that the RP (and all the other third parties out there) need to focus on state and local elections"
At last an intelligent post questioning the Reform Party.
You might consider that when the issues are national that gives rise to national third parties. Illegal immigration, huge trade deficits, war entanglement agreements, the immoralities of abortion and gay practices, these are not state and local issues. The problem that they address is that the two Washington parties are in agreement on these issues.
"Why would anyone be glad if they voted for Buchanan? His 0.05% of the vote isn't what got the Tax Cut, and Missle Defense Progress."
Good question. With Buchanan you would have both of these plus no stem research.
I know the Reform party wrote their platform first, but would that plank have even been included had President Bush initiated the national debate?
With much respect, how can you be so sure that Bush was the one who started the debate? Personally, I knew that this debate was going on long before Bush ran for President.
Reformed.
BUMP!!!
You know...for a party that's mocked as "irrelevent", you sure have a lot of people showing up here and acting like scared (albeit thinly disguised with arrogance) rabbits!
Although rabbits don't make NEARLY this much noise. LOL!!
"With Buchanan you would have both of these plus no stem research. "
The picture of Buchanan working with Congress to get his agenda adopted is a funny one. We saw last year how he works with others. When are you going to realize that he never was anything more than a vanity candidate?
Tactically speaking, I would tend to agree that the Reform Party USA must certainly focus on smaller races. However, they should not just give up on running Presidential candidates. Presidential campaigning can work like passive trademark marketing, which can go a long way in conjunction with state and local races.
We are a new party with an even newer agenda. We have nowhere else to go but up. And with our new socially conservative weaponry, we're very excited about the future.
Reformed.
"I knew that this debate was going on long before Bush ran for President. "
You and I and the pro-life activists, but no one else. If President Bush was just looking at polls or responding to moderates, he would have quietly signed the EO in the middle of the night; and it might have made the back page of a few newspapers.
He intentionally hyped this issue to a point far beyond anything he has done yet. Not even during the China/plane crises or the budget showdown did he go on national prime-time TV. Laura even went on national TV to tease us by saying she had made her decision but wouldn't tell us.
Creating all this publicity about the human nature of embryos was the best thing to happen for the pro-life movement, but it does President Bush absolutely no good from a personal political standpoint. He sacrificed himself for the unborn.
The RP simply waited to release this until they could make sure they differentiated themselves from the President's position. Instead of showing any principle or leadership themselves, they choose to play camp followers.
I stand corrected. Of course you are right. The time to "take a position" was before the President's address.
The arrogant sound you are hearing is the sound of lemmings on the march.
Democrat Lemmings are indistinguishable from Republican Lemmings. Neither can imagine denominator other than two.
By the way, what's happend to the RP wing in NY State - otherwise called the Independence Party? Is Lenora Fulani (the infamous new age communist) still involved? Or did the new conservatives at RP throw her out on her butt?
"When are you going to realize that he never was anything more than a vanity candidate? "
I will agree with you when there are substantial differences between the two beltway parties on Illegal immigration, ending huge trade deficits, war entangling agreements, making China a most favored trade nation, and the immorality of abortion and gay practices. Not a month goes by that does not show the need for a 3rd party. The messenger can be killed but history will vindicate the message.
I stand corrected. Of course you are right. The time to "take a position" was before the President's address.
Actually, the Reform Party took the position two weeks before Bush's decision. The Reform Party amended its National Platform in Nashville, TN, and included a Pro-Life Plank and an anti-stem cell plank, among other things.
Reformed.
Does Lenora Fulani know about this????????????
The only real principled party
Not eligible for listing on the ballot in some 40 states due to the great showing in 2000…
You guys are walking zombies... dead, you're just still in denial. What will you try for in 2004, getting delisted from all 50 states ? LOL!
The problems are national, but the power base has to be built locally. Again I say, a president with no allies in congress (which is what a 3rd partier will be if they haven't built the base) won't be able to accomplish anything. Also, by demonstrating power through winning these smaller elections it will help get the parties seperated. Part of the problem is that the parties are fighting over the uncommitted moderates. If either of the parties has to put up a fight for their base they'll start to seperate.
I know running for president sounds cool, and a lot of people think the position has a lot of power, but it really doesn't especially standing with no allies. And failure at that level is so very visible it's really not worth the risk.
I'm in shock. Someone who's not utterly delusional about the realities of 3rd parties.
The presidential races are a big risk though. When RP pulled double digits they were a threat. When they didn't even pull one whole digit they became a joke (along with the rest of the movement). The good news is that you can't do much worse than last year, and any kind of real numbers will be progress. The bad news is that two in a row like last year and the whole 3rd party movement is toast. At least one of the parties has to pull at least 2% in '04 or we're back to the status quo for a long time.
Of course I'd rather the Greens be the spearhead 3rd party. It's better for the country if the liberals fracture themselves into two parties. No matter which side fractures both main parties will move away from the center. But the fractured side won't win any major elections for at least 10 years.
So what's in the line up for '02? Got any state candidates lined up?
<< Buchanan or no Buchanan, the Reform Party USA is going places. <<
"With or without George Wallace, the American Indepedence Party is going places"
--John Schmitz (filling in for Wallace after he was shot), 1972.
Belive it or not, the American Indepedance Party is STILL on the ballot in a whooping two states today. Have you heard from them lately?
I've been watching the 3rd party movement for a long time. There was a while there when the LP was doing all the right stuff, stacking up small victories gathering momentum. The only problem there was that they weren't taking themselves seriously; they thought there job was to get issues out, they would have done a lot better if they were actually trying to build a power base. Then Boss Ross showed up, threw a bunch of money around, ran one of the most incompitent campaigns ever (second only the Bush's '92 campaign), including dropping out at one point, and got 10%.
Of course Ross also brought attention to the whole movement and improved everybody's numbers, it made everything look a lot more viable. All of a sudden all the 3rd party guys got big ideas, nobody wanted to build a power base anymore. They wanted the big prize without doing the ground work. Then Ross drops out after '96, and we've found out just how much of the steam was coming out of his hind quarters. I think another part of the problem is that he turned it into such a freak show, you could take the numbers seriously but with them big ears, that squecky voice and those graphs, you couldn't take HIM seriously (at least I couldn't).
And now the freak show is gone, the big money bankroller is gone, and the momentum is in the wrong direction. '02 and '04 are going to determine if the 3rd party movement even warrants a footnote in history. And if they're all obsessed the the big prize and do no work for the state power, the answer will be a resounding NO.
Meet your future:
American Independent Party (http://www.aipca.org)
Wallace ran as the its first Presidential nominee in 1968. Running on a populist, anti-Washington, anti-racial integration, anti-communist platform, Wallace carried nearly 10 million votes (14%) and won 5 Southern states. Although Wallace returned to the Democratic Party by 1970, the AIP continued to live on -- although moving even further to the right.
The 1972 AIP nominee, John Birch Society leader and Congressman John G. Schmitz (R-CA), carried nearly 1.1 million votes (1.4%).
The 1976 AIP Presidential nominee was former Governor Lester Maddox (D-GA), a vocal segregationist -- but he fell far below Schmitz's vote total.
The AIP last fielded its own national Presidential candidate in 1980, when they nominated white supremacist ex-Congressman John Rarick (D-LA) -- who carried only 41,000 votes nationwide.
Today, the AIP still fields local candidates in a few states -- mainly California -- but is now it has been demoted all the way down to being a mere state affiliate party of the national Constitution Party.
"A new party is urgently needed today because the leaders of the two existing parties, Democrat and Republican, have deserted the principles and traditions of our nation's founding fathers. Both of the existing parties have become the proponents of big government, crushing taxation, dictatorial federal power, waste and fiscal irresponsibility, unwholesome and disastrous internationalism, compromise with our nation's enemies, and authoritarian regimentation of the citizens of this Republic. Control of the government, under the domination of these two existing parties, has left the hands of the people our government was created to serve."
The declaration pledged the support of the American Independent Party to "limited constitutional government, with emphasis on the rights of the several states to govern their own local affairs and educational systems without federal bureaucratic or court interference." As to foreign affairs, the declaration stated that "the American Independent Party supports a foreign policy based on America's best interests, not world opinion," and "preservation of our national sovereignty."
with them big ears, that squecky voice and those graphs, you couldn't take HIM seriously
I always take a multi-billionaire with 19% of the vote seriously.
We saw how George(McGovern)Bush works. Late today we find that we are going to continue AFFIRMATIVE ACTION in gov contracts. You know he will grant amnesty in Sept. Great Conservative huh?????? I voted for Buchanan twice & again, if be. I will not sellout to this NWO which controls these two parties. If Gore would have done these things this site would have gone crazy. Get the blinders off.
With Buchanan you would have both of these plus no stem research.
Which, ideaologically is great, but realistically impossible. Remember Perot in '92! It gave us Clinton.
Saw you hitting on Marge tonight.
Cool ski pants.
Hell, you screamed for all of last year that Buchanan abandoned the unborn. What are you asking us now for? The fact is that once again the Reform Party blows the socks off the great pretender. But then we told you so.
To: Reformed ex-snook
Buchanan or no Buchanan, the Reform Party USA is going places. Jump aboard.
Can we conduct experiments on the Reform Party?
It is obviously dead.
12 Posted on 08/10/2001 13:52:13 PDT by sinkspur
Hey it's the second major embarassment to show up on this thread. I thought you said Pat abandoned the right to life cause. Now his party has exposed you guys for the rotting political flotsam you are. They have a right to life plank and an anti-embroy experament clause. Hmmm, don't you wish you had a party like that?
Oh yeah, you still think you do...
Heh heh he...
A California midnight bump....
What else is the Reform convention if not a political role-playing game?
Glad you asked...
the "Reform Party" is a new "cutting edge" band of fifty "sock puppets" that patrick buchanan has decided to use as his introductory act on his presidential primary tour, which he has officially entitled... , "The point seven five fifty sock puppet tour."Very catchy huh?
His tour format is getting rave reviews by the band of sock puppets, who are actually quite ticked at pat, cus his "cut" at novembers ticket booth sale, was so low percentage wise, that they have ZERO chance to get federal matching funds in the next election.
Look for engagements in your area to be sold every time W goes on TV for the next 3.5 years... Look for venues in your area by name..."The point-seven-five-fifty-sock-puppets-tour," coming to a venue in YOUR vicinity... this fall, and the next, and the next, and the next... hee hee.
Actually merc, its actually for some of us are here.
Poking fun at what has turned out to be a moronic failure of a political party last election, is a Big hoot for us. And some of the folks who vote reform truly are hilarious.
Nobody here is "afraid" of anything, except the prospect that pat or his followers MIGHT come back and try to gain access to the republican party again.
I thought it was funny when Rush Limbaugh called this the party of the "little guy that looks like a hand grenade with a haircut" and the "perotista party."
I think pat leaving the republican party and taking his band of nay-sayers with him has turned out to be the BEST thing to happen in America, and the republican party for a while... Those folks who have followed pat have had an over important view of their own influence and importance to the republican party. Their constant bickering drove people of conscience away, being quite a turnoff.
We no longer have to put off with the ridiculous "you cannot win without us" drivel, when we now know why we "could not with with them," in the past.
Nutcases drive voters away from the voting booth... just compare ross perot's "take" on the national percentages with "pats" take in the last election... America does not like fear mongers or intolerant people... America did NOT like pat, but did like Ross.
I am glad pat has his own party now where he can do "virtual candidate" performances to support his sister bay, while adding some color and entertainment value as an "exploding" head on some talk show program...
To most of us Pat is side splittingly funny and entertaining... I think it is his trademark-paranoid looking, beady-black eyes shifting nervously left then right, then left again, back and forth while he leans forward with furrowed brow in his chair,glares maniacally into the camera at us, telling us over and over again "the sky is falling, the sky is falling!"
Indeed he does have some tangible influence, over the fearful and weak minded of our culture... but for the rest of us, usually, he seems to be pretty much of an otherwise affable nutcase... the crazy uncle mom and dad don't talk about.
What is even funnier is I think he believes in his own delusions. He does not mean to be funny, he just is... and that makes him crack me up.
an anti-embroy experament clause
Careful, D/O. You're squeezing your mouse too tight.
I would hope they would join the crowd of leaders who have attacked this decision. Hats off to you folks again! GLad to have you appart of the opposition.
Actually, the Reform Party is for many things, namely an Americanized United States of America; a respect for the Second Amendment; a reverence for the U.S. Constitution; an adherence to the Rule of Law
Rule of Law...is that anything like Martial Law?
You have never broken a single law in your life? Common...be honest! LOL
You 1% party people are such hypocrites. Your rule-of-law rhetoric is aimed at immigrants so that you can justify jailing, beating and shooting them at the borders. Meanwhile, you will go about breaking laws that you feel fit to break at will. (such as traffic laws, parking laws, IRS, etc.)
Pat opposes all research on WASP stem cells but does not have a problem with researchers using immigrant stem cells.
Lol. Buchanan is a full-blooded mick Catholic. Here's a tip, 'white' does not equal 'Wasp' or 'Anglo'. Though we do all look the same to some folks, 'truth_eagle'.
Pat runs on a platform of Nationalism right? Was a winning issue for Adolf.
Nationalism is stupid. Xenophobia is dumb. Isolationism is silly. "Fair" trade is worse
"Conservative til I die"? You slur more like a liberal. Funny how you folks do the same things you whine so loudly about.
Great argument on policies though.
Your rule-of-law rhetoric is aimed at immigrants so that you can justify jailing, beating and shooting them at the borders.
Wow, I did'nt know Maxine Waters posted here! Def. a big tent in that 'Pub party.
What do you want from me? I'm not a nationalist. I'm not an isolationist, and I'm not a "fair trader." I don't think any true conservative is.
Looks like it hugh. Guess I'm going to have to quit posting when I'm half asleep.
What would be even MORE hilarious if it weren't totally pathetic is that so many supporters of the Republican Party think if they laugh hard enough at their ideological brethren who have strayed from the party plantation and its new policy of "castrated conservatism", that somehow it will hide Bush's gaffes and sell-outs from view...or maybe even make them disappear!
"BWAHAHA Patsies...HAHAHA losers...TEEHEEHEEHEE Third Party..." and HOCUS POCUS, Bush becomes "The Conservative Savior Of Our Nation" through federal funding of bioethics, support of affirmative action, and pandering to socialist Mexican arm-twisters!
Fortunately, some of us are smart enough to see through this...but lucky for you, some people are just dumb and shallow enough to fall for it.
So glad you .75 percenters, are smart enough to see how stupid the rest of us are.
You're just ticked that Bush did not give your buddies pat and alan the "big stick" issue they wanted to use to try and split the party wide open, so the democrats who stand to get the most out of it (hillary for pres yea!), can ruin our nation, or bring us to the forced abortion stage of our socialist growth four years earlier.
Its funny to watch the apopleptic fits coming from the perennial malcontents of the pat party...
It tells us what your real motive is... not saving babies, but electing your savior pat... to institute the principles of YOUR religious convicitons on the rest of us ostensibly for the sake of "saving our nation's culture" while turning this once free nation into yet another northern ireland enclave of religious radicals where religious convictions drive a continual plot of revenge and murder of fully grown humans, as well as their adolescent and preadolescent children not just their stem cells in a freezer somewhere...
Pat is the poster boy for the Christian Talibanist (not a real reforming) Party, and his reforms would lead us to a taliban like jihad civil war that is just exactly like the ones all over the world being exacerbated by religious extremists of the Islamic flavor... and don't forget the northern ireland debacle... religous wars by wackos supreme.
Patrick B, and his followers, were they ever to be succesful in gaining national offices, would lead us into a new Christian Nazi/socialist state, with all the atrocities it naturally begets. He is a hater. His followers are hateful.
That being an apparent fact to most of america (98 percent of us who can at least find the polling places and vote that is), I find it amazing that folks like yourself who claim to support him can forever remain blind to what is clearly apparent to the rest of us.
Try not to mistakenly identify your state of perpetual denial as intelligence or your voluntary blindness to his apparent and abundant defects as some sort of grace-filled loyalty to a higher cause...
It is easy for patsies and keysters to criticise Bush and the Republican Party when they have zero responsibility to govern this nation, and deal with the (put up or shut up) aspects of getting a job done right, in a way that follows our constitutional system of checks and balances.W could not turn it all around at once.. and it is patently ignorant of your crowd to insist Bush can in one announcement or decision can.
Pats party will forever be incapable of governance, lacking influence, experience and most of all tact. America hates a smart ass, and that is why over 98 percent of us who voted, voted against pat last november... and will see to it that he never gets even one more federal dollar... just like the folks who want to continue killing embryos with my tax dollars, they will get not a dime of my money... or yours either.
We are doing the best we ever have....
... now go away....
(go away pat... not you of course)
Hmm.
Was GW, TR, or Taft 'true' consrvatives? How about Reagan's actions on Tariffs & Quotas?
Please don't hold us up for comparision to such Conservative luminaries as John McCain and Bill Kristol. We'll never reach those heights.
Patrick B, and his followers, were they ever to be succesful in gaining national offices, would lead us into a new Christian Nazi/socialist state, with all the atrocities it naturally begets. He is a hater. His followers are hateful.
Its truly difficult to differentiate you folks from rabid democrats. You slur and smear at whim, without proffering any basis for your statements.
What's truly amazing is that Junior has gone wobbly again, and you folks are incapable of even admitting it.
I never thought I would back a third party. But then again, in the mid-80s I never thought there would be an ostensibly 'Republican' President who was pro-Affirmative Action, Pro-Illegal Immigration, Pro-Federal Budget increase. Lest we forget he has advocated 'improved education' through a dramatic increase in federal education outlays, and as lately demonstrated he feels less than devoted to the pro-life cause, as well as to his campaign promises.
But he is an *excellent* orator.
Hmmm. The Reform Party. Oh yes.
They are the .045% of the public who didn't give a damn about abortion, only being pimped out by Patsy Buchanan, who also didn't give a damn about abortion. Leastways he never mentioned it in his party's platform.
Yeah, we better give these guys a lot of moral authority. Pay lots of attention.
Sure. Why, they've become a real "Amen Corner" for Life. All 173 of them.
Please don't hold us up for comparision to such Conservative luminaries as John McCain and Bill Kristol. We'll never reach those heights.
LOL !!
A Monday afternoon bump.....
Reformed.
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