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BRIT HUME, HOST: Back with our panel talking about the interview conducted earlier today for air tonight by Connie Chung with Congressman Gary Condit. He says that his relationship -- Connie Chung has now said in the aftermath of the interview that he told her there was a close relationship lasting about five months, said he was not in love with her, that he liked her very much. Would not say -- he said they never experienced a cross word. He would not say whether or not they had sexual relations.
He says that he answered every single question truthfully from the first interview, that he did nothing to slow down the investigation. No one in Washington, he claims, has been more cooperative than he has. On their final conversation -- you know, the one where she -- she had called him a number of times, said something about that she had some big news to report, he says that she wasn't frantic, that they discussed travel plans back to California, she was not upset. And he called her a couple of days later and she didn't return the call. As for the big news, she apparently (UNINTELLIGIBLE) discuss it and he didn't know what it was.
Now I think we have a firmer, sort of a fuller picture of what this interview is going to be and do. Juan, is this a wise course for him or does he -- is this going to work?
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JUAN WILLIAMS, NATIONAL PUBLIC RADIO: I've got to say something, it's baffling to me. I really don't get it. I -- I -- you know, he's been here in Washington for seven terms. He's got good political advisers. But this seems to me to be surrender.
There's no apology, as Bill Kristol said earlier. I don't see any sense in which he's helping people to understand, as Jeff Birnbaum was talking about, understand what happened and his participation. To the contrary, it seems it me he's stonewalling. He's also got a rally planned, I understand, of his supporters.
This is, it seems to me, sort of obscene.
BILL KRISTOL, THE WEEKLY STANDARD: Here's what -- here's what I think he's doing. He's not an unintelligent man, Condit.
HUME: He's not unintelligent.
KRISTOL: Not unintelligent, no, no. He wants to distract everyone into a debate about whether he has to say he had sexual relations with Chandra Levy or not. And in fact, lots of Americans are going to be sympathetic to the point, as in a way they should be, that it really isn't no one's business whether they were close friends or intimate friends. That really is a personal matter. And he wants to distract everyone away from the legitimate question, which is was he involved in her disappearance.
HUME: Of course, he says -- he says here as well he had nothing to do with...
KRISTOL: But also, did he really impede the investigation? And all of the kind particular pieces of evidence would suggest he did impede the investigation. He wants to distract attention from that. He wants to get all of us talking about, gee, he has to say -- apologize for having had a sexual relationship. And he'll say, look, the media is being intrusive here, it's like Clinton, that's a personal matter, I'm sorry she's disappeared. And really obscure things.
JEFF BIRNBAUM, FORTUNE MAGAZINE: That's one direction to go, and I agree that there might be some element of the population that would accept a zone of privacy, to use a Clinton term. But what he is forgetting is that there will be reaction from the Levy family, and my guess it will be quite hostile. And I think the investigators will put the lie to what he's saying: about how cooperative he is and how he asked the FBI to come in, that he answered all questions.
Everything we've been led to believe is that it's quite the opposite. that it took four interviews for them to get even the basics from him.
HUME: Let's get -- let's ask the final question here.
BIRNBAUM: Yeah.
HUME: If all these things are known or believed, that he did these things, that he had this affair, that he was evasive about it and so forth, what -- why? Why is he doing this? Why is he continuing to hold out now? In other words, why has he chosen this course?
KRISTOL: I think the most logical answer -- you want my honest speculation -- is that he's complicit in her disappearance, and he correctly thinks that pure stonewalling is the best way to avoid criminal danger.
HUME: In other words, he'll accept the political trouble...
KRISTOL: Yes.
HUME: ... but he can't accept the possible legal trouble -- your suggestion is that he can take the political trouble and prefer that to the legal trouble that admissions would bring.
Jeff, does that make sense to you?
BIRNBAUM: It makes sense. But I -- my guess is...
HUME: Can you think of another explanation?
BIRNBAUM: Yes. Another explanation is that he believes that he would be -- would certainly be out of a political job if he admitted having a sexual relationship with a young intern, one of his own constituents.
HUME: But the fact is he's not quite denying it. He says -- he won't -- he won't say.
BIRNBAUM: Yes, but this middle ground gives him some sort of cover. He says, OK, yes, we were sleeping together for five months and she was after me and I said no. If he was completely honest, he thinks that that would be worse than taking a more principled stand, if that is possible in this, and saying, I deserve some privacy.
HUME: I know, but...
BIRNBAUM: No, I'm not sure that that...
(CROSSTALK)
HUME: But let's assume -- but Juan, let me -- if you -- if you were baffled in political terms, does Bill's suggestion of an explanation make sense to you, that this is what he's doing, because he's going to take the political, that he's worried about something worse?
WILLIAMS: It does make sense to me, because, look, all the evidence...
HUME: It does?
WILLIAMS: Yes, all the evidence to me would suggest that he is acting like a guilty man, and therefore, he's got criminal troubles to worry about. And you know, being in jail is much worse than being out of office. Being out of office is somewhat secondary to that.
You know -- you know, Bill said this thing about, oh, you know, distracting people -- we've got two women who say that he was pressuring them to be silent. That's tough.
HUME: All right. Juan Williams, that's the last word. Thanks, everybody. That's all the time we have for the panel.
Brit Hume didn't host Special Edition yesterday. He never hosts Special Edition on Fridays.
Jim Angle did.
I see now that this transcript is of Thursday's show, not Friday's.
Never mind.
I've come to believe the worst. He (Condit) is involved in her death.
" He's also got a rally planned ... of his supporters "
If your gene pool doesn't have a deep end, you might be a Condit supporter.
After watching him on the TV..I agree....he's a sociopath....when asked if he killed her..he coldly said...."I did not..".....not the type of impassioned reaction one would expect of an innocent man..
Yup. Everyone already believes the worst about his sexual escapades, even his supporters, so, he must be hiding something worse. RED RUM!
These folks are nuts. They're really unhinged over this. How about asking Brit Hume to speculate about why his son committed suicide? Think he'd like to discuss that on TV? No, and for the same reason Gary Condit doesn't want to discuss having sex with Chandra Levy or anyone.
Kristol's analysis is quite cogent, but it must be very scary to have Juan Williams agree with you.....
He is as guilty as sin, and Chandra is not the first young woman he has snuffed. For six weeks now I have been posting, that if Condit is ever brought down, it will be for the murder of Joyce Chiang. Notice how nervous he was during the interview, he was afraid he would slip and say "Chiang" instead of "Chung"!
Gee Mr Hume, you always seemed like such a nice guy. Why do you associate with the likes of Kristol and Williams. Birnbaum ain't no gem either. If I hadn't signed a truce with Snow job a while back I would have tossed him into the hopper too.
I agree...his behavior was strange and his answers were suspicious. I kept wondering how in the world he was ever elected with this type of personality.....he certainly did not seem appealing on ANY level.
"For six weeks now I have been posting, that if Condit is ever brought down, it will be for the murder of Joyce Chiang." LOL. I'm about ready to agree with you on this one also.
Do you think Brit Hume had anything to do with his son's suicide? Is Brit Hume in a position of power? Are the police investigating Hume?
You're argument doesn't make sense.
To me, the most telling denial of Gary's was that he "never, ever, told anyone to leave their ID at home..."
That denial is important because 'leaving ID at home" when going to meet him, links him to Chandra's disappearance.
I don't know Joyce: could you get me up to speed on this? Thanks, JL
Or maybe he is afraid that he will be bumped off by the people for whom is a spy. He seems afraid of something larger then a conviction.
I don't think Brit Hume had anything to do with his son's suicide. I don't think Gary Condit had anything to do with Chandra Levy's disappearance and neither do the police. I think Brit Hume would not want to talk about his son's suicide for the same reason Gary Condit doesn't want to talk about having sex with anyone, including his own wife, on TV: personal dignity.
Hume wouldn't want to break down in tears on TV and neither does Condit.
Condit killed her.
Probably not literally, in the sense that he did the deed himself. More likely he had her killed. Whoever took care of the matter for him may have read Clancy's "Without Remorse", and by now her corpse is part of the crabcakes served in the Congressional Dining Room.
Karth, I agree. But if that was the case, he shouldn't have gone on TV. As Dick Morris said yesterday, Either lie or tell the Truth. He tried to do neither.
Fact: Chandra was known to be very cautious. As I seem to recall, one of her friends stated Chandra always carried a chemical repellant.
Fact: Condit told his women not to carry identification when meeting with him. This is corroborated by the other women. Chandra left her apartment for the last time without her identification.
Fact: Chandra visited sites on the internet relating to places in Rock Creek park.
Fact: Condit had ties to members of the Hell's Angels, a cop killer in particular.
Following Occam's Razor, Chandra's disappearance could be explained by Condit arranging a meeting in Rock Creek park to be abducted by one or more Hell's Angels.
I have wondered why more attention has not been paid to Condit's association with the Hell's Angels, especially since Condit sits on the House Select Committee on Intelligence.
You're seriously deluded karth, and that kind of cheap shot at Hume has Dem written all over it. You're not a FReeper, whoever you are. Brit Hume is neither a logical suspect in a probable murder, nor an eminently blackmailable elected representative sitting on a House intel committee, nor is he stonewalling an investigation into disappearance of one of his own constituents, with whom he had an affair. I'd say nice try, but bringing Hume's son into the mix is just flat lame. Bad try.
Sorry to say Mr. Condit, but you're not fooling us. We aren't buying your smokescreen around intimate details of your relationship with Chandra Levy, nor your incredible denial of a relationship with Anne Marie Smith. Be assured, those aren't the primary concerns of FReepers. Much as it would suit your purposes to make this a referendum on your personal privacy, it is not that, nor has it ever been.
So back we go to the substance of the matter. Ask the questions straight, and expect straight answers. The truth will come out, but not due to weak sideswipes at Brit Hume.
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So his sin is going on TV but these guys are speculating that he's a murderer? I don't get that. Makes you wish there was an ombudsman on these shows. I'd like to see Kristol, Birnbaum, Williams and Hume put on the spot to tell the TV audience about who they've had sex with lately and what they did and how many times and where. Show us all how easy it is to talk about sex in front of the TV audience. All of those questions would have been asked of Condit if he'd admitted having sex with anyone.
Brit Hume is a journalist. Condit is an elected official. You can't compare the two.
The police say Condit is not a suspect in anyone's murder.
Juan Williams agrees. Substantive people are starting to speak the unspeakable: Condit killed her.
I agree. However, I am baffled as to why anybody is surprised that he killed her. We winked when bill and hillary clinton murdered their way out of trouble, and that has got us precisely here. Its all downhill from here.
What does being a journalist and being an elected official have to do with being ripped of any shred of personal dignity on TV? Its reminiscent of "Merchant of Venice." "Does not a Congressman bleed?"
Of course the police are saying that. They are also saying that Blake isn't a suspect in his wife's murder either. Have you ever worked for law enforcement?
"What does being a journalist and being an elected official have to do with being ripped of any shred of personal dignity ..."
Listen Condit chose to do it, if he doesn't have any dignity left its his own choosing.
personal dignity
What a joke to even TRY to use the words personal dignity in the same sentence with the words Gary Condit!
BTW, Condit doesn't have tears to shed; he's a sociopath.
And if he was so worried about hurting his family and wife, WHY DID HE SCREW AROUND ON HER THE ENTIRE TIME THEY WERE MARRIED?
Pathetic.
BTW, the police DO think he had something to do with it; just wait and see.
Let me just add that I don't think Condit had any dignity to start with.
You have it nailed!
Please add "Where is the WATCH???"
The police say Condit is not a suspect in anyone's murder.
Can you possibly be that dumb? The second they name him he clams up.
To me, the most telling denial of Gary's was that he "never, ever, told anyone to leave their ID at home..."
That denial is important because 'leaving ID at home" when going to meet him, links him to Chandra's disappearance.
I agree, totally. Why did Chandra leave without her ID if she didn't know she was going to see Condit?
Do you actually research anything before you open wide karth ? Do you understand that you make no sense at all ? No , of course not . your to busy defending the actions of a sociopath , wich makes you an enabler by proxy . Many people here have indexed this critter , and i would encourage you to look up some fact's . The mind makes a terrible hat-rack .
Even you must be able to see that Condit (because society is so topsy-turvey) would be able to salvage and perhaps come out on top had he only said, "Yes, we had an affair. It is a painful subject to many people and I will go into no details. It was wrong and I am sorry. I am sorry that I let my shame prevent me from offering that information to the police from the beginning. I have made wrong and selfish choices." That would have taken all the wind out of Chun's sails. I for one, am glad that he didn't do it.
Another , who lives in denial . some folk's just never understand that it's not about them .
Your's and mine.... great minds!
Your willingness to exploit a real tragedy (Hume's son's suicide) to defend a non-tragedy (people think Condit killed Levy) means you would rather Condit get away with killing Levy than have the truth revealed.
You have a heart of darkness.
When Condit called Ann Marie Smith from Luray did anyone in the DC Police department make this connection? If you wanted to hide a body, wouldn't a deep dark hole fit the bill? We need some spelunkers to go cave diving.
You are strongly urged to look for career opportunities outside the investigation business. Do you think FReepers are a bunch of uncomprehending couch potatoes that need talking heads to spell out the blindingly obvious for us?
Surprise--we aren't. Amazing, but there are segments of American society that have retained the capacity to think, and this is one of them. The mainstream media are along for the ride on this story, not telling us anything that hasn't been obvious for weeks. There are host of unanswered questions one hell of a lot more important than Condit's sexual pecadillos, which the mainstream media haven't touched with a ten foot pole. They will. The pole is getting shorter by the day.
Gullibility is ever in surplus, but if you think Condit is not a suspect, please wire your DNC contribution to me at the following check cashing center...
"Show us how easy it is to talk about sex in front of a TV audience."
Sure!
"I had an inappropriate relationship with Miss Levy. It was wrong. I would like to publically apologize to my family, the Levy family and to my constituents, and sincerely ask for their forgiveness."
Now, that wasn't so hard was it? No indelicate details, no use of the "s" word even once.
I just don't understand them at all -- and I'm glad as hell I don't.
Doesn't Scary-Gary need to hold on by his fingertips until September to receive full pension benefits, even if he's sitting in the pokey?
Condit is the target of a police investigation ...because no body has been found it has not yet been labled a criminal investigation and he is technically not a suspect ...They also do this so they can keep access to him. As soon as they name him a suspect the lawyers will keep him from saying anything... Condit is a target though and in the real world the most likely suspect...Remember all the murders on death row looked like normal average people
Another questions: Were the "packed bags" in Chandra's apartment due to her packing up from Scary-Gary's stabbin-cabin back to her own apartment, and not necessarily packed bags for her trip home to California?
Why did Scary-Gary indicate in his local TV interview that Chandra should "come home", what... to HIM?
Brit Hume did indeed mention the incident. He took two weeks off and when he returned to the set, he very humbly and graciously thanked all the people who sent him cards and letters and said, "they helped more than you will ever know."
No one wanted him to wallow in sorrow or cry hysterically on the air. He is probably the classiest person in the media. His behavior was *totally appropriate* and a model for the kind of grace under pressure we should all hope to emulate.
I thought there was nothing Gary Condit could have done for that interview to have gone worse for him other than admit to have killed Chandra. But your post suggests a route he might have taken which would have done him even less good -- to have gone hysterical and weepy.
Gary Condit has not been devastated in the polls for refusing to give the details of his sexual escapades. He has been devastated for failing to evince even the slightest evidence of humanity, for either directly or indirectly calling everyone else a liar who disputes his (non)version of events, for a blatant and incredible (given the situation) self-centeredness in which the only tragedy that seems to enter his consciousness is the fate that might befall his career.
I, for one, always believed he had a sexual relationship with Chandra. I did not believe that he had anything to do with her disappearance. AT FIRST. It was Gary Condit who disabused me of my faith in his innocence through his actions -- the affidavit he requested that Anne Marie Smith sign that they had no relationship. Unless you believe that his attorney, through no input from Condit, picked a name at random and sent it to Anne Marie Smith.
If Condit would have been willing to accept the initial hit of the affair and had gone out of his way to be cooperative in the investigation (i.e., by taking the polygraph as others in this case had, meeting with the Levy family investigators) I would not have come to the conclusion that he is implicated in Chandra's disappearance, nor would many others I believe, on Free Republic.
Gary Condit has no one but himself to blame for the predicament he is in. And all the bellowing in the world that this is just about sex is just so much smoke and mirrors.
Sort of related, but does anybody know of a link to Fox news so it can be heard over the internet either by Real player or Windows media player? I am currently overseas and would love to hear some of the Fox news shows over the net.
"He is as guilty as sin, and Chandra is not the first young woman he has snuffed. For six weeks now I have been posting, that if Condit is ever brought down, it will be for the murder of Joyce Chiang. Notice how nervous he was during the interview, he was afraid he would slip and say "Chiang" instead of "Chung"!"
And I want to thank you for keeping this alive, crystalk, because I also believe this isn't 'just about' Chandra. I think this goes way further up with the protection of the intelligence committee - and we might as well throw jonbenet into the kitty. Ante up, all.
I heard this and thanks for posting.
Perhaps he'll pull a 'Hiss'.
Alger dared Chambers to repeat his accusation outside a Congressional hearing room, Chambers did it on television (IIRC, Meet the Press) Alger sued, Chambers sprung the Pumpkin Papers and Alger Hiss, traitor-spy went to prison for perjury.
Is there a Whittaker Chambers/Emile Zola out there?
"..for the same reason Gary Condit doesn't want to talk about having sex with anyone, including his own wife, on TV: personal dignity."
With all due respect, I don't think Condit has any 'personal dignity' left - not when you take into consideration his sexual deviancy.
Sort of related, but does anybody know of a link to Fox news so it can be heard over the internet either by Real player or Windows media player? I am currently overseas and would love to hear some of the Fox news shows over the net.
They had this going for a while (during the elections and about to the end of April, if my memory serves me correctly).
It was discontinued due to:
Possible advertising infringements (not being paid for to be on streaming video on your computer)
Possible lawsuits about copyright infringements.
I'm not sure why they have not re-instated the service, so possibly the lawsuit idea is the real one.
You seem stuck on this "don't talk on TV about your inappropriate sex life" thought.
Something you want to tell us????
C-11, I know the answer to one of your questions on the moving tape. That is, Who was With Gary in Luray on the night of May 17?
The Answer is Mike Dayton.
Joyce Chiang is the pretty 29-yr-old former intern for Berman, the congressman in the office next to Condit's. She was only 22 when she interned, 29 when on Jan. 9, 1999 she was lured out of the Starbucks coffee shop on Connecticut Avenue by the frowzy blonde, bound and gagged, thrown face down in the back seat of a marked DC police car, taken to Southeast, and thrown into the icy, slimy Anacostia River on a night when temp was 25 degrees and windchill was near zero.
This was called a "suicide" by DC police until just this year, on July 27, they quietly reclassified it as a homicide. She had no wallet or purse, it seems, just her ATM card tucked in a sock. Her shoes were still on the corpse when it floated in Arcturus, Va., on April 1, 1999.
Oh, one more thing. The young Chinese-American had all of her long, beautiful hair shaved off. Condit had a thing about hair. And shaving. If he ever gets out of this, it will be a close shave?
[Chiang was] bound and gagged, thrown face down in the back seat of a marked DC police car....
Wow, haven't seen these details before. Do you remember where you found them/is there a thread?
Chiang's hair wasn't shaved off. It came off after her death.
smorgle, the bound and gagged thing is the product of the posters imagination.
IMHO, Bill Kristol's above analysis is 100% CORRECT. These charACTORS ARE 100% Super-Professionals! NO mistakes, perfect 'staging'.
BILL KRISTOL, THE WEEKLY STANDARD: Here's what -- here's what I think he's doing. He's not an unintelligent man, Condit. HUME: He's not unintelligent. KRISTOL: Not unintelligent, no, no. He wants to distract everyone into a debate about whether he has to say he had sexual relations with Chandra Levy or not. And in fact, lots of Americans are going to be sympathetic to the point, as in a way they should be, that it really isn't no one's business whether they were close friends or intimate friends. That really is a personal matter. And he wants to distract everyone away from the legitimate question, which is was he involved in her disappearance. HUME: Of course, he says -- he says here as well he had nothing to do with... KRISTOL: But also, did he really impede the investigation? And all of the kind particular pieces of evidence would suggest he did impede the investigation. He wants to distract attention from that. He wants to get all of us talking about, gee, he has to say -- apologize for having had a sexual relationship. And he'll say, look, the media is being intrusive here, it's like Clinton, that's a personal matter, I'm sorry she's disappeared. And really obscure things.
IMHO,.......SMOKE,......'Purple-haze'.
You're not the only FReeper who is certain of a connection between Condit and Joyce Chiang. I certainly can't disprove it, but what substantive facts and details are there to link these two in any way? I have a sense of the Chiang story, but his (Condit's) name never came up in any of the early speculation of Chiang's disappearance. If he were involved in this earlier story, though, it would help explain why he's gone into overdrive with his desperate stonewalling and denial of ALL his sexual/romantic involvements.
Now the DC police Dept can't really be so incompetent as to have ruled a body in that condition a suicide, can they? Believe LESS FAR LESS than half of what you read on these Condit threads.
No, and I don't even want to hear about what kind of sex you've had lately, if any.
Did we elect Brit Hume to any office?
Ah. "Let go of me," she hissed at the policeman, raking her nails across his hairy hairless chest......
thanks
Condit has had no love for his wife, and if he calls that love, no one on earth would want it. It is nothing to be desired. Condit's wife was just his enabler.
I'm pro Life; the tiniest human blastocyte or whatever has indelible human dignity, in my eyes. This man hasn't been convicted with a crime nor even charged. According to the police, they don't have even justification to say there's a crime, but here's a bunch of so-called journalists sitting around on their rumps speculating that the man is a murder. There were hundreds of thousands of people in Washington DC on that particular day who were at least as capable of abducting this woman as Mr. Condit was. Who the heck here knows enough about this woman, her habits, her acquaintances, to say theres no one besides Condit who might have killed her.
You and I both know there were tawdry speculations about the death of Sandy Hume. Brit Hume was not questioned about those issues nor has he ever addressed them. For that matter, Condit said as much about Chandras disappearance as Hume said about his son's death.
Condit has shown his most private parts to a thouand women{unless he was doing it through a sheet), so what is he worried about privacy for? When he started his serial adultery, he gave up his privacy. The whole world knows now that he has shaved balz.
woofie,
hate to tell you this but you are not running the investigation. Those who are have NO "targets" because they don't even have evidence of a crime. They've gone out of their way to say Condit isn't a central focus of their investigation. They must have had a reason to do that. After all the times they had him on the grill they said that and would have a tough time explaining it if they wanted to try Gary Condit.
And you can guarantee Chung or whoever would ask no further questions, even though we have public speculation about the last time they had sex; whether they had kinky sex; whether they had sex 2 or 3 times a week; whether he tied her up with neckties?
Be serious.
But I think you are being gullible to believe talking head speculation based on no evidence. I can't think of how one could be more gullible.
Now the DC police Dept can't really be so incompetent as to have ruled a body in that condition a suicide, can they? Believe LESS FAR LESS than half of what you read on these Condit threads.
Thanks, but I was actually going by the UPI article from 7/28/01:
.....For all these years, Chiang's death had not been investigated as a
homicide, and one investigator speculated on television recently that it
might have been a suicide. But Chiang's brother and a large group of Joyce
Chiang's friends angrily dispute the suicide suggestion.
..... former United States attorney for Washington, Joe DiGenova, called it
"high time" that the Chiang case was classified as a homicide and said the
Washington police have tried to avoid labeling killings as homicides because
"they've got one of the worst records of closing homicides in the country."
.....Roger Chiang, who has pressed authorities for 30 months to discover his
sister's fate, said in a telephone interview that he met with D.C. Police
Chief Charles Ramsey on Thursday and the chief told him that his sister's
death was now being investigated as a homicide.
The rest of the article is here. A really good read.
I am offended by anyone exploiting human tragedy and suffering. Thats why I responded to this article about the Hume panel.
A man who has been in public life for thirty years, undoubtedly in plenty of jams during those years, kills a girl he has known for only five months? It doesn't compute, I'm sorry. What could she have had on him that would have caused him to take such a drastic and risky remedy? Knew he was gay? Not worth a murder rap. Pregnant? Again, not worth a murder rap. In order to agree with Kristol one must conclude that a man who was able to get himself elected to the U.S. Congress six times became so irrational in the course of five lousy months that he deliberately decided to throw it all away and murder a young girl.
I don't buy it.
Scumbag vs. Scumbag Light. What a difference. Scumbag actually convinced his supporters that he was sorry. It was phony, of course, but Scumbag Light is a miserable failure in that department. He can't even fake being sorry.
hate to tell you this but you are not running the investigation
Neither are you ...and its a good thing
karth, as my husband just said, you are a very sick person. Brit Hume is an honorable man who lost his son. It was a tragedy that is not even comparable to Gary Condit's self-inflicted problems.
Are you a parent? Do you have children?
We all want and hope the best for the children we bring into the world. We all do the best job we can in rearing them. However, we are not our children. They are not clones of us. They will sometimes make us proud, and they might sometimes disappoint us, and they might sometimes break our hearts. Unless you have ever raised and lost a child, please don't judge someone who has.
Karth, Karth....
I thought you had fallen off the planet until I saw this last spate of Condit sympathizing posts from you, and then I was... whoops, I digress...
Did you see Condit's interview with Connie Chung Thursday night? What did you think of his overall demeanor? Are you more than eighteen years of age, per chance?
[fyi: the definition of spate, as well as all other terms in this post, can be found at www.dictionary.com]
Nauti,
I am 52; I was away on vacation. Took the train over the Canadian Rockies from Banff to Vancouver.
I think it was a no win situation but part of a process to get out in public. What could the man have done, really? If he had cried, there would be the Swaggart comparisons. If he'd had his wife on with him and she cried, he'd have been criticized for putting her through the interview. If he'd apologized, he would have been compared with Clinton apologizing and folks would say he didn't mean it.
But the man can't stay cloistered forever so he had to make a first step.
I thought Connie Chung hadn't put in a half hours preparation other than make-up. We could all come up with some good questions. I'd like to know if it was Gary Condit who provided Chandra with tickets to the Inaugural Ball and what her mother said were prime seats at the Inauguration. Also, whether he offered to find her a job to stay in Washington and where and what kind of job might he have been able to get for her. What does he have to say about her landlord saying she'd asked to get out of her lease in Jan. to move in with her "boyfriend." Did she have a key to his apartment? Was she ever left alone in his apartment for long periods?
Well, you are surely not a very nice person yourself. I do have children and I can not only imagine the grief and terror and heartbreak of a family member committing suicide, or of a family member being missing, but also of a person hounded with baseless speculation that he is a murderer because he looks somehow "odd." It could happen to any of us or someone in our families, you know. You don't have to be a Congressman to have your life destroyed by suspicion and accusation.
Yeah, but more than that, what has happened to Kristol and Williams and Birnbaum as well that they're engaging in such speculation? And Brit Hume apparently sitting there allowing it. They've all been infected with some lunacy bug.
Karth,
I read your reply twice, and didn't see an answer to one important question. What did you think of Condit's overall demeanor in the Chung interview? Stepping out further onto a ledge...
Did you feel that Condit's answers were honest, open, and truthful? [just for fun, let's ignore the questions about his affair(s)]
Which questions? It seemed to me like the same questions repeated over and over even though she wasn't getting any answers. I thought his demeanor was very wary, like someone who didn't want to be there but had to do it. Specifically, what questions do you think he lied about?
No single person could possibly take on such a massive undertaking . They all read the same book in school . And to know these trolls are having families and living next to me is equally appauling . The lunacy of it all howlin ! I cannot articulate it in it's purest form , but i am learning how to spot them a mile away in here . I wont debate the merit's with him / her . It is an extreme expenditure of my most valuable asset . my time .
Specifically, what questions do you think he lied about?
Eeeeesh Karth,
Pure Democrap BS non-answer--I've read the playbook, and I know that when you are hopelessly lost, the rules say to respond to questions with questions.
I win.
discuss...son committing suicide...
First, I didn't know that. I'm sure Hume wouldn't want to discuss it.
Second, what hooks ME is the mystery...the puzzle. I'm only interested in the sex piece because it's a piece of the overall puzzle or it isn't. The puzzle looks one way with a sex piece in it and another way if the sex piece doesn't belong in it.
Clue: the butler did it in the kitchen with the butcher knife. Get it.
People are hooked on the mystery, not on the sex. This is a classic whodunit, and we all get to be sleuths.
So, I want to know if Gary was doing the nasty with Levy, Smith, his driver or his St Bernard. They're all part of a profile and, therefore, part of the puzzle.
So, who do you think did it? And why? And what are the weaknesses/strengths of your theory?
Specifically, what questions do you think he lied about?
Oh please, please let me do this Karth *grin*
1.Condit lied about having a relationship with Anne Marie Smith. There are so many evidentiary proofs of the affair. Vince Flamini has confirmed it, she has contemporaneous notes, phone records with near daily calls from Condit, records of her calling Condit's girly line constantly. Her Lawyer yesterday embarassed Condit by revealing that Anne Marie is aware from intimate knowledge that he shaves off all his body hair. Lie #1
2. No relationship with Joleen Mckay. Again Flamini said Mckay was "peanut", who was Condit's favorite mistress, she gave him a $1,000 watch. She dated Mike Dayton in high school, got put on the staff. Ran out of the office after a fight with Condit crying, telling other staffers that she had a fight with Condit who was her boyfriend.
3. Never asked women to go out with me without ID. Joleen Mckay, and Anne Marie Smith told the FBI this fact in early May before it got out in the press. Remember, it wasn't until July 6th that Linda Zamsky revealed that to the Washington Post. If Mckay and Smith are saying that to the FBI under oath in May... then...
4. The police are lying that I wasn't co-operative and ducked and weaved whenever tried to be pinned down on questions during the 4 interviews. Evidence #1... who do you believe... Condit or Chief of Police. Condit last night showed he bobbed and weaved when pinned.
5. Condit stated he had nothing to do with the affidavit, it was "a lawyer to lawyer" thing. Anne Marie has phone records that show the calls Condit placed to her during the time she was being told to sign the affidavit. It literally is legal malpractice, not hyperbole, it is legal malpractice to send an affidavit to a person without informing your client. Condit claimed Thursday that happened. Cotchett is not about to be sued by his client by doing that.
6. Condit claimed, laughably, that the watch box was "just trash", and that he was mindlessly cleaning his office out, the only piece of "trash" he found in his office was the watchbox, so he decided to randomly, casually drive 30 minutes away from his office, stick the watch box in a mcdonalds, after trying to shred all the registration info, then sticking his arm all the way down a trash container, trying to stuff the box in the bag all the way to the bottom of the container.
I could give you more. Karth, I know you have been supporting Condit, but he didn't help you this week.
Oh, I forgot the big one. There were so many lies in just 30 minutes. Condit actually states that Susan Levy was confused. She actually never asked him if he was having an affair with her daughter and he denied it. According to Condit, she was confused and actually never even ever asked him the question.
Give it up Karth, your dog ain't hunting any more.
But I think you are being gullible to believe talking head speculation based on no evidence. I can't think of how one could be more gullible.
Karth, you aren't by chance a cinderblock wall, are you?. You're not getting it. We don't rely on information, speculation or otherwise, from mainstream talking heads (all don't hail Dan Rather Not). FReeper information comes from inside-the-beltway contacts, multiple media sources, including local and national talk-radio, the tabs, a variety of columnists, many Internet news sources, and a host of intelligent people exchanging information, both publicly and privately.
Overall, it creates a mosaic that gives a far better picture than the spoonfed network pabulum that satiates simple minds. Follow the various threads, and you'll find much that isn't on the six o'clock metro hairspray news.
I'm not going to waste my time on your no evidence theory. There are FReepers that know things you don't--give it a month, then try that theory again.
Brit's relationship to Sandy was father and son.
Condit's relation to Chandra was as a lover.
Once again, you can't compare the two.
Agreed. I am interested in the mystery. I don't think any of us needed to hear him say "I had an affair with her" to know that he had an affair with her. I remember the first time I heard about Chandra Levy months and months ago, I thought it was an affair. A man over 50 does not become "friends" with a 24 year old woman in a platonic way, certainly not "good friends." Seemed to me Connie Chung's interview was more about Connie Chung.
You must have some specific questions you'd have asked as I noted to Nauti above. Ask him whether he ever drives that red car when he's in DC or who does it belong to, where is it kept. Fox News made a big deal of that car for several days.
Yeah, we're drawn to the mystery because we think its very unusual. But probably its not. If there are 100,000 missing persons, people whose families don't know where they are and have reported them to the police, well, probably a lot of them are dead. So much for the murder rates going down in recent years. We just don't know these people are dead. I mean, think of it, in this day and age there would be credit card use to track a person if he/she is actually still out there, who lives without a credit card? 100,000 people?
Well, you are surely not a very nice person yourself. I do have children and I can not only imagine the grief and terror and heartbreak of a family member committing suicide, or of a family member being missing, but also of a person hounded with baseless speculation that he is a murderer because he looks somehow "odd." It could happen to any of us or someone in our families, you know. You don't have to be a Congressman to have your life destroyed by suspicion and accusation.
karth, my dear, in spite of your condemnation of me as not being a "nice person", I will respond to you in a courteous and reasonable manner. "Imagining" grief and terror and heartbreak is not nearly the same as going through it. Again - what does anything that Gary Condit has actually DONE of his own free will compare to what Brit Hume went through when he lost his son, or any other parent who has lost a child? How do these two situations even relate to each other??
Also, I have to wonder why, as a parent, you are so much more concerned with Gary Condit than with Dr. and Mrs. Levy, who have been in the worst hell imaginable - not knowing where their child is - whether she is dead or alive? I acknowledge your compassion for Congressman Condit -however, you seem to have much more sympathy for him than for the Levy family.
You misunderstand me. I'm not comparing relationships; I'm comparing human beings not wanting to lose their dignity on TV. And I, personally, don't want to see it. I remember feeling this way since a plane crash here in the NY area and they showed a mother of a young man laying face down on the floor pounding the floor with her fists.
What have I said about the Levys other than that I could understand the grief and terror of having a family member missing. And you began this dialog by saying I was "sick." My goodness, could I have possibly been more mild than to say you were "not very nice?"
Specifically, what questions do you think he lied about?
He Says, They Say/Several of Rep. Gary Condit's televised statements were challenged yesterday
"And I, personally, don't want to see it."
Then turn the channel. You, however, are in the minority. Like I stated in an earlier post: I don't Condit has any dignity.
OK we agree to disagree.
Yes - and therein lies the difference -thank you, marajade. I hope this will enlighten karth, although I doubt it.
Hume wouldn't want to break down in tears on TV and neither does Condit.
Brit Hume did speak of his son's demise, and he most certainly did have tears in his eyes and a bit of choke in his voice when he thanked me (not personally) and the hundreds of other people who sent him and his family our condolences.
We'll leave aside the lack of feeling displayed by Condit on television, as he did come across as incredibly cold and unfeeling. But why in the world would he shed a tear over a woman he will not cop to having an intimate relationship with, especially when we don't know yet whether or not she is actually dead?
(For benefit of the other posters who possess logic here, I do believe she is no longer alive).
First of all there wasn't any indication that Brit was involved in his son's suicide.
Second, there was every indication that Condit was involved in Chandra's disappearance.
Third, I don't think law enforcement investigators concern themselves about "dignity" when they are trying to solve crimes. The Washington DC police have treated Condit with so much respect that it has actually hindered their investigation.
I have to keep going back and forth so I may forget a few of these numbers.
"relationship" and even "romantic relationship" are not legal terms. She could sign an affidavit denying a "romantic relationship" as a warning to a tabloid not to print a story or you might sue. That was what the whole thing was about and Anne Marie Smith has not denied that it was she who called Condit for help about how to keep her name out of the Star Magazine. I've seen her on TV and the fact is, SHE called HIM to ask for HIS HELP. He didn't call her to ask for her help.
About whether Mrs. Levy asked him if he was having an affair with Chandra ---He says she asked him about specific other men. We'll probably hear more about that this week as reporters will get the names from the police. I think her call was to ask for his help so I find it credible that she did not grill him about whether he was having an affair with Chandra. Imagine the conversation yourself. At that point, the mother was not "investigating," she was asking for help with who Chandra might be with.
I'll have to check back to your list.
marajade - you know I agree with you 100%. Unfortunately, the person we have been trying to enlighten is karth, who apprarently has partaken of the Condit Kool-Aid.
What have I said about the Levys other than that I could understand the grief and terror of having a family member missing.
UH OH, Karth...
I have the memory of an elephant. On August 7, 2001 you were ranting about inaccuracies in Mrs. Levy's statements while you were defending Mr. Blowdry.
I win--again. :o)
In relation to Ann Marie Smith calling Condit for help. Condit helped her by encouraging her to lie in an affidavit. I don't think that was the kind of help she needed, do you?
re the watchbox. The reporters are following him around, hounding him. He wasn't making that up. Ms. McKay is not material to the investigation of Chandra Levy's disappearance unless you want to say ANYTHING could be material if he actually killed her. But if he knows he didn't kill her then he knows its not material. For that matter, the McDonald's box could be deemed possibly relevant and he shouldn't throw it out.
See, theres part of the problem I see with your thinking. If the man actually killed her, he'd have clammed up completely. He wouldn't be doing ANY interview. Getting away with murder would be at the top of his concerns, not getting reelected. He wouldn't give a hoot what America or the constituents thought if he actually killed her.
The police are covering their butts because they've been accused of not taking the case seriously at the beginning. Neither you nor I know the exact, EXACT, line of questioning in those police interviews. Its not up to the person being questioned to think up what the police ought to be asking him and if he's an innocent person, obviously, he'd have no idea what would be relevant to the police investigation. Sort of a Catch 22. How would you know what to be "forthcoming" about if you didn't do it?
The McKay woman --- I don't see her point in coming forward and doing a big interview with USA Today but I can imagine Condit is very angry with her. She never knew Chandra Levy and has no information about Chandra Levy's disappearance but she injected herself into this story, apparently for pure spite.
"Ms. McKay is not material to the investigation of Chandra Levy's disappearance ..."
Then why did he try to destroy evidence?
What kind of help did she want from him? And how come we never see those perfidious roommates on TV being interviewed about selling the story to STAR? Maybe they don't exist and it was Anne Marie herself? Maybe she was tape-recording her conversations with Condit hoping to get him to say something that she could sell? She did call him repeatedly and only stopped calling when LOWELL called her lawyer to complain about her calling.
But its NOT evidence. What is it evidence of? The McDonald's box is evidence he ate at McDonalds at least once. The watchbox is evidence he had the watch. But neither have anything to do with the disappearance of Chandra Levy.
"The watchbox is evidence he had the watch."
Then why did he purposely single out the watchbox and trash it if it wasn't material? You don't know if it was material and neither do I. There's no way to know unless you are inside the Washington DC police department to know if there is a connection.
So now the star is lying about their source? Please, if that was the case Condit would already be suing them.
Nauti, I didn't say that on this thread, but I stand by it. There is a direct conflict in the stories about Rev. Thomas as to who started the conversation and what was said. Thomas says he mentioned his daughter to console Mrs. Levy who was upset about Chandra's affair; Mrs. Levy says she NEVER told Thomas about her daughter and that Thomas was the one who was crying.
Plus all the variations on when they knew about the affair; plus telling Court TV in May that Chandra had told them she planned to come home by train and then in the latest round of interviews saying she had not informed them of any plans.
If there is this much confusion on the record, and it IS on the record, could she not be confused about her conversations with Rep. Condit?
Its very difficult for public figures to sue newspapers and magazines. But do you think STAR magazine never deliberately prints false information? I am not so trusting. In this case, there's common sense: Where are the roommates? With all the TV time to fill, why haven't they been on or even named?
"With all the TV time to fill, why haven't they been on or even named?"
Because the Star is protecting their sources?
Do you think he hasn't thrown out other trash in the last 4 months? I don't know what there might have been in his trash in the last 4 months that might be material if he actually killed her but if he didn't kill her (or cause her disappearance), then none of it is material.
And the Catch 22, again is that if he killed her he wouldn't have allowed them to search at all.
Karth, you ducked bobbed and weaved, and that is sad, just sad. You did just about as well as Condit too btw. You did not refute, you claim it's immaterial... NOW. but you asked for lies, I pointed out obvious lies, period. If you believe Condit about his cleaning out trash story, I have a bridge in Brooklyn, or ocean front property in Kansas to sell to you. The man is a liar. It does not make him a killer. Here is the problem though Karth. If he will not tell the truth, even after it's obvious everybody knows it, we can't get past that and clear him from the murder of Chandra Levy.
99% of people believe he had an affair with Chandra, Anne Marie, Joleen. He did. There is enough proof for all 3 of them. The fact that Condit has to lie, even when he would score points by admitting the truth... it's downright frightening.
Abbe Lowell actually went on tv last night, and started doing "what the meaning of relationship" means, when talking about Anne Marie Smith. Abbe Lowell went on tv last night and admitted his client lied in other words. Abbe said that Condit denied having a relationship with her, because in Condit's definition, they were just F&#@ buddies, so technically it wasn't a relationship.
You can't tell me that you are so dense as to not actually see the damage of Condit's statement, and Abbe Lowell's pathetic attempt to salvage something by admitting Condit lied.
Ms. Smith has been on a lot of TV shows. Why hasn't she been asked to identify her roommates by name? She could supply the information; it doesn't have to come from the Star. Or reporters could ferret it out like they ferreted out the exact amount Condit was paying for his beeper. After all, she is supposed to have been living with these people, so just go to the address and find them.
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Well, you are surely not a very nice person yourself.
Nice ad hominem attack, Karth. That's a winner. And no, I'm not ad hominemophobic.
I do have children and I can not only imagine the grief and terror and heartbreak of a family member committing suicide
I presume you mean can only imagine. To the point, who's talking about suicide? You're the one who raised the irrelevant subject of Brit Hume's son. That's a tragedy, but this isn't about him. It has nothing to do with this case.
or of a family member being missing
Imagine how much worse it must be if you found out your elected congressman was having an affair with your missing and much younger daughter, then goes into major CYA stonewalling mode, then goes on national TV with preposterous statements to the effect that "the Levy's were asking about other congressmen, but not me."
but also of a person hounded with baseless speculation that he is a murderer because he looks somehow "odd."
He doesn't look so odd. We've all seen that look before. He's hounded, all right--by fear and guilt.
It could happen to any of us or someone in our families, you know. You don't have to be a Congressman to have your life destroyed by suspicion and accusation.
I don't think so. You don't have to act like a callous, immature jerk when elected to a position of public trust. The picture of Condit, unfortunately, is worse than just that.
Karth...on your way out, answer these for us:
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I think you have hit the nail on the head.
The key to finding out what happened to Chandra Levy lies behind why Condit made this call at midnight from Luray, VA. on a day he made one vote in the House, and missed the next three, when he was fastidious in making his votes.
Condit did not personally kill Chandra, but he knows who did, in my opinion. Too bad a corrupt, inept police force and a failed Gov't agency are investigating this one.
"And the Catch 22, again is that if he killed her he wouldn't have allowed them to search at all."
Three months is a long time from the time of her disappearance to when they searched his apartment. He certainly would have had plenty of time to dispose of any incriminating evidence wouldn't of he. I believe there was a report that the police found a pair of pants with what looked like blood on it but because he cooperated in the search, rather than by search warrant, the police couldn't seize them.
How do we know that those pants didn't involve Chandra? If they did, the Wash DC police blew it big time.
Loopy...now that's a good word I haven't needed to use in a long while.
Karth, you are extraordinarily concerned that McDonald's wrappers and watch boxes are unimportant. You have yourself in knots that a distraught woman's recollections are not consistent. Your hero [Blowdry] has imploded, and you just can't deal with it. Get over it.
Loopy...yeah, it's a great word!
We're going in circles. Ms. Smith called Condit and asked for his help. That is not in dispute. The affidavit was for the purpose of helping Ms. Smith, at Ms. Smith's request for help, and not for any purpose of Mr. Condit's. Condit had no reason to ask Ms. Smith for an affidavit.
You know, it all comes around to whether you think he was involved in her disappearance and if you think that, I'm sure I cannot dissuade you. It seems a very farfetched notion to me.
"Why hasn't she been asked to identify her roommates by name?"
Maybe because she still resides with them?
You seem to be continuing to give credibility to ANYTHING Condit says; he is a PROVEN liar.....and the others involved are NOT.
You obviously are either HIM or his son or daughter.
Nauti,
What will you say 6 months from now when Gary Condit has not been indicted for anything?
. That is not in dispute.
It's in dispute with me until you post a SOURCE for that. Excuse me if I don't take YOUR word for it.
Do honorable innocent people help others by incriminating them in criminal conduct? This is what Condit did by "helping" Ann Marie Smith.
You know, it all comes around to whether you think he was involved in her disappearance and if you think that, I'm sure I cannot dissuade you. It seems a very farfetched notion to me.
It won't seem so farfetched when blowdry is doing hard time. Could be tough to get a wax job in Club Fed, however.
Where are they? Its the dog that didn't bark.
"You know, it all comes around to whether you think he was involved in her disappearance and if you think that, I'm sure I cannot dissuade you. It seems a very farfetched notion to me."
Then its a good thing you aren't a DC investigator. You seem very closed and not in the least open to seeking the truth.
It is not a crime to try to stop STAR magazine from printing a story. What did she want Condit to do for her? Why did she call him in the first place? How did she think he was going to help her?
Those details were already posted at chandralevy.com when my one month of tenure on that forum began on July 14. I don't know who posted them, but you can go search that forum. I have been banned from it.
"Its the dog that didn't bark."
What?
I'll try to find a Larry King transcript to cite; I think I she said it on that program among others.
You act like Anne Marie was stalking Condit; she saw him when HE said she could.
Where are you getting all this information that SHE was the one doing the calling? Do you realize that she has given the police her phone records and her phone records back up HER story?
"It is not a crime to try to stop STAR magazine from printing a story."
No, but it is a crime to solicit a false affidavit. You remember, Monica Lewinsky. Why do you think Monica was given immunity?
She may have returned his call, but HE did the calling.
You seem to LIKE to turn everything into something that sounds good for Condit. You're making everybody liars except him.
Kristol was in fine form in this broadcast- he makes an excellent analysis in suggesting that the aim was probably to start a debate about did-he-or-didn't-he have sex with That Woman rather than whether he killed her.
Are you Gary Condit? No one else except Condit thinks as you do.
Condit did not personally kill Chandra, but he knows who did, in my opinion.
If Condit took the risk of hiring a third party to kill Chandra, why the hell didn't he provide himself with a rock-solid alibi? That doesn't make sense to me. After four months, the congressman cannot account for his whereabouts or provide anyone to vouch for his wherabouts on the very afternoon that Chandra disappeared, the afternoon of a business day, right after his scheduled meeting with the Vice President of the United States. My conclusion is that he hasn't provided an alibi because he doesn't have one, because on the afternoon of May 1 he went over to Chandra Levy's place, as he was accustomed to doing and as he had indicated to Chandra he would do in his last phone call to her of April 30 or "April 31" (Freudian slip for May 1), and took her to his accustomed biking trail in Rock Creek Park. The rest is True Crime history.
Re: Your willingness to exploit a real tragedy (Hume's son's suicide) to defend a non-tragedy (people think Condit killed Levy) means you would rather Condit get away with killing Levy than have the truth revealed. You have a heart of darkness.
Zackly. What leaps out at me is how Condit-like that effort to divert the issue is - and how stone-hearted, too. Like a psychopath. We know Gary Condit reads these threads. He has cited some of them. Take a look at all Karth has said and picture Condit making the statements - aside from the obvious attempted diversions, it's got to be him.
You keep saying there were 100,000 people in D.C. that day that could have taken her.
Since you seem to know so much about Condit, can you tell us
A poster far above asked what linked Chiang to Condit. There are many things: he was one of the some 100 persons interviewed originally by DC police before they called it a suicide.
A better question would be, why it was that after 31 months in limbo, it was suddenly reclassified as a homicide on July 27, 2001? If this does not have something to do with the Condit connection, there is a bridge over the Shenandoah River near Strasburg, Va., that I will buy.
It was about 24 days ago that I and other posters on the chandralevy.com alleged that she and Condit had taken a trip to Spain together in August of 1998. You may be sure that if this were not the case, someone would have come forward with proofs that the dates and itineraries were not the same.
Furthermore, as a congressman on the Intelligence Committee, you may be sure that he was photographed many times, probably tailed throughout the trip, by blackops or other Fed intelligence services. These sources would be sure to have many, many pictures of the two together. If they don't I will hang up my mouse.
Also, look how close together they lived and worked. When Joyce was a 22-yr-old intern, she worked for Berman, a good friend of Condit officing right next to him.
It's pretty easy to think of circumstances under which Condit would have been complicit in Chandra's demise, but under which he would not have seen the need to have an alibi for a particular time. He might not have known what was going to happen to Chandra, or when it was going to happen. Just as one possible scenario, if some overenthusiastic hit squad associated with the intelligence communtiy took it into its head to eliminate Chandra because of some offhand comment of Condit's. There are surely many other possible scenarios.
watchbox is evidence he had the watch. But neither have anything to do with the disappearance of Chandra Levy.
It does if the watch is on Chandra Levy's body, which pictures show it very may well be.
Karth, are you the same as oceanperch?
I ask you again, if Condit was so concerned about his wife and family, why has he been screwing around on her since the day they got married?
The affidavit was for the purpose of helping Ms. Smith, at Ms. Smith's request for help, and not for any purpose of Mr. Condit's. Condit had no reason to ask Ms. Smith for an affidavit.
That's a lie. And, btw, did you know he asked some of the "other" women to do the same thing?
Karth, are you the same as oceanperch? The guilty, like you, deny the Evidence and pick at the credibility of the witnesses.
The Innocent would DENY THE CHARGES!
I think that IS Gary Condit. Nobody else I know has made those same arguments for the last four months.
What will you say 6 months from now when Gary Condit has not been indicted for anything?
I will say he is a lousy liar, and he paid his henchmen well.
Humor me for a moment, please. I noted you referenced New York in an earlier post--did you vote for Hillary Clinton?
Howlin, I found a transcript at CNN.com/TRANSCRIPTS/ and see the July 13 Larry King show with Ms. Smith:
the affidavit concerns her wish to stop STAR magazine from printing a story
Abbe Lowell called her lawyer to stop her calls to Mr. Condit
interestingly, in that transcript, it is ambiguous whether it is one roommate or more than one.
No I did not vote for Hillary Clinton. I live in New Jersey and I voted for the Republican candidate, Bob Franks.
I take it you are referring to the rumor that Sandy Hume was sexually involved with Bill Paxon, and that this led him somehow to commit suicide. Even if all of this is true, I fail to see how it has anything to do with the possibility of Condit's being complicit in Chandra's death. Brit Hume and others may be reluctant to discuss his son's death because it involves irregular sex, but surely that is very different from someone being complicit in a murder. Politeness may dictate not talking about sex in general, but the need to see those responsible for murder punished surely trumps that consideration.
Abbe Lowell called her lawyer to stop her calls to Mr. Condit
Are you absolutely certain Abbe Lowell was Condit's attorney when the affadavit was generated? I don't think so...
Obviously you've been very busy, but I gave you a good rebuttal at #74 and think it's kind of cheesy of you not to acknowledge your error. Some of the questions are matters of opinion. This wasn't, you were just plain wrong. No - vehemently and condescendingly wrong.......maybe another point of insight for you into Gary Condit.
As to Condit screwing around on her, I don't know your age but at my age and knowing many women who experience the loneliness of divorce and widowhood, I can look at it as, "things could be worse." A husband who has secret dalliances is less unkind to her than one who leaves her to publicly marry someone else. But in politics, the latter would be just fine. In real life, its really not. Most women that age are utterly shattered by divorce.
Your# 156) You 'think' correctly!
I didn't notice it. I'm sorry. I'll go back and look.
There's not a scintilla of evidence that Condit had anything to do with the disappearance of CL. That doesn't establish that he didn't carry it out/arrange for it. No forensics, no witness, no confession - just plenty of conjecture and speculation. Being substantively vile, benefitting from the disappearance, having a motive don't amount to evidence. Suspect, yes - proximate cause- ?
Its in the CNN transcript.
As to Condit screwing around on her, I don't know your age but at my age and knowing many women who experience the loneliness of divorce and widowhood, I can look at it as, "things could be worse."
Yea, she could have turned up missing 4 months ago. Gary is such a (fuzzless) peach!
Get help, please.
To be more clear, the reference to Abbe Lowell was only that Lowell called Smith's attorney to complain that she was continuing to place calls to his client. Its not a reference to generating an affidavit.
What an insulting answer.
You're the one claiming Condit doesn't want to talk about his sexual liasons because of his family. Apparently he only cares about his family when it suits him.
Wasn't he using being with his wife on May 1 as his alibi, or maybe I'm not remembering correctly. I don't think he "hired" anybody to do in Chandra, this was done for him ,as a courtesy, by someone he was connected to, either in his office, the intelligence community, his biker friends, someone who was a Kool-Aid drinker, a true believer if you will, or someone who had a stake in the Condit in power status quo.
This whole thing might turn out to be bigger than just Condit, who knows?
To me, the fact that only her keys are missing along with Chandra is like a big billboard announcing that she was on her way to meet Gary. I doubt Gary went to pick her up, he wasn't much of a driver in DC. He sent someone to get her, to bring her to him, at least that's what I think Chandra was told.
And Chandra went along, and disappeared. And we are left to fill in the blanks. Gary acts like he is beyond the fray, because someone else did the dirty work that he benefits from(there must have been a compelling reason that Chandra has to "disappear, as she become a threat to Gary in some way, (pregnancy, threatening to go public with the affair, pressuring him to leave wife, wanting to confront wife)in getting rid of Levy. He feels he is insulated. But I think that someone on May 17th or 18th, basically told Gary that there was a price to be paid(not money) for getting rid of his little problem, and the trip to Luray is linked to this somehow. From the tone of his conversation with Anne Marie Smith on that call, he war clearly worried about something, inferring that he might have to drop out of sight for awhile.Just my opinion.
The comparison I'm making is that both Brit Hume and Gary Condit wouldn't want to be questioned on TV about these matters and I'm not surprised. Of course, the police probably questioned Hume about his son's suicide. But would you want him asked the same questions on TV just because it would be interesting TV?
Its in the CNN transcript.
No, it is NOT. He specifically said he was NOT Condit's attorney when the affadavit was sent to Anne Marie Smith. He said it more than once.
This Karth guy is amazing. Let's just ignore him. Why waste our breath on him. Condit is done, Karth knows it too, so why bother? New thread reveals the incestuous threads in local politics in Modesto. Condit's son Chad enlisted in the Navy at 24, got out at 28, and within 1 year was Condit protoge Dennis Cardoza's chief of staff. Right now, Condit's sister Dovie is Cardoza's office manager at $52k a year. The problem is, that she still lives in Daly City, where her husband operates his business. Daly City is right next to San Francisco. It's 97 miles from Modesto. Ya think she drives 194 miles a day on the busy bay area freeways? This is travel on the 280,101,80,580,205,5,120, and 132 freeways. No joke. Anybody in the Bay Area knows what a grueling trip this would be every day. Mapquest estimates 1 hour 41 each way. Ummm... if there is no traffic on a bizarre day.
There will be 500 page books detailing all the funny stuff going on with Condit's kids, sister, inlaws, etc all getting these cozy jobs.
I don't believe the Dovey job btw. Unless she has a place in Modesto she stays, I think it's a ghost job. There is no way she does that daily commute. She would have to leave the house by 6:30 in the morning, and would not get home til after 7PM every day. That's if she just worked 9-5. It's mind boggling.
Yes, Karth...it IS in the transcript. You can't even get the facts straight when they are in print...eeeeesh!
KING: His attorneys at that time, it wasn't Abbe Lowell, right?
SMITH: No. It Mr. Cotchett.
KING: Cotchett from Los Angeles.
?? What does the 'A' stand for in the name Gary "A." Condit??.............Does anybody 'really' know??
Thanks, m
you are referring to the rumor that Sandy Hume was sexually involved with Bill Paxon
That evening in his office in the Rayburn Building, what they told him was this: Someone had spread a rumor that he was actually quitting because he had been threatened with exposure of a homosexual affair with a Capitol Hill journalist. In the dizzying era of the World Wide Web and talk radio, the gossip was traveling quickly. Within hours, many news organizations had started to pursue it.
Paxon, bewildered, uttered a rare expletive. "This is sick," he told his aides, saying that he wanted to confront the reporter waiting outside face to face. They persuaded him not to dignify something so malevolent with a response.
For days afterward reporters tried to confirm it, but found no evidence to suggest it was anything but baseless. Still, the rumor spread: from a thinly veiled gossip column item in the Jerusalem Post, of all places, to Web sites to an alternative weekly newspaper in Buffalo to radio stations in Buffalo and Rochester. Paxon had resolved not to comment, but when his mother called his office after a tense week to say that the radio stations were talking about his rumored sexual activities, he had had enough. A furious Paxon called both stations. "You had plenty of time to check out the facts. You have a responsibility to check out rumors as fact," Paxon admonished a WGR radio host in Buffalo. "This is what I've been subjected to, and thank God every credible news organization . . . has chosen not to run this because there isn't a single bit of truth in it."
smorgle,
I read the Joyce Chiang article. Thanks for linking. Thats a really good article and I had never heard that before about her former boyfriend being under an internal INS investigation for which Joyce was to be interviewed. It seems there should be some follow-up about what happened to that investigation.
You and I have a misunderstanding. My post to you concerned your question (probably an ironic question) to another poster about Joyce Chiang's body being found bound and gagged. Of course, if that had been the case, even the DC police would not have called it a suicide.
Again, Karth's ignorance is put on display. If he... oh watched any tv, he would know that Condit did not even hire Abbe Lowell until mid June. His lawyer in May was Joseph Cotchett. It's been explained multiple times, that originally it was a San Francisco investigator who worked for Condit's lawyer Cotchett who originally sent the FAX to Anne Marie. She refused to sign it, and she talked to Gary about signing it. He told her to do so, she was non-committal. She didn't have Jim Robinson legally representing her at the time. She hired him, he looked at the affidavit, asked her if it was true, and he told her she could go to jail if she signed. Condit was calling her during this period. Robinson called Cotchett, explained Anne Marie wouldn't sign.
See Karth, if you actually paid attention, you might learn a thing or two.
You're the one that seems to have some "skip in record" about it. I am only asking why. The idea that he doesn't even have to admit that he had an affair with her is absurd and anyone that agrees with him is, well, you figure it out.
Nauti,
the person who asked Mr. Robinson to have his client, Ms. Smith, stop calling Mr. Condit was Mr. Lowell. That's whats in the transcript.
A=Amorous
?? What does the 'A' stand for in the name Gary "A." Condit??.............Does anybody 'really' know??
It's A for Adrian, after his father, the Rev. Adrian Condit.
LOL......................."Ace"......?
dogbyte,
it says right in the transcript that Mr. Lowell called Mr. Robinson to ask him to complain about Ms. Smith calling Mr. Condit. Thats whats in there. Ergo, at some point during the time Anne Marie Smith was still speaking by phone with Gary Condit, Abbe Lowell was among the lawyers representing Condit.
Re your post 158. It is frightening to me that you might really believe this is true. Condit was being KIND to Carolyn?
I will now play Twilight Zone music, for I see we have entered the parallel universe.
who is oceanperch? Condit DID deny killing Chandra or having anything to do with her disappearance.
You and I both know there were tawdry speculations about the death of Sandy Hume
Wow, karth, you can't even begin to back up a cheap shot like that. And don't try any of that "I heard that a reporter from ... whatever"
What's the matter is Democrats.com down today or something? Are you just bored? Don't you have some homework to do? Clean your room? Help your mom with the laundry? What ????
You've just insulted every woman who posts on this board!!
Women, at any age, have an easier time emotionally, living without a man, than a man does without a woman. A *single* man is the *unhappiest* of the lot.
By your idiotic logic, Mrs. Condit is better off living with a man who constantly screws around on her. He's done it for years. By your idiotic logic, she's better off emotionally to constantly take his emotional abuse, and that's exactly what it is, and be his damn dormat in exchange for room and board, than throw his worthless ass out and convince herself that she *deserves* better than what's she's got. You don't give women much credit do you for having much self esteem other than to tolerate utterly dispicable, abusive behavior like he dishes out.
No man at all is preferable to this son of a bitch!!
To bck up your point, I will once again assert that she behaves much like an abused wife. I will bet that the Condit family, beginning with Adrian, has a family life that would scare Jerry Springer.
But I think you are being gullible to believe talking head speculation based on no evidence. I can't think of how one could be more gullible.
Aren't you the one that just a couple messages ago were trying to heap suspicion of "tawdry circumstances surrounding" the death of Britt's son?
You certainly have a problem.
Post# 170) is correct as to 'context' and 'timeline'.
Re pictures of a watch. Its probably a very distinctive watch; if they blew up the pictures, you could tell if it was that model. The news media has the technical capability but we haven't read that Chandra was wearing a "Tag Heuer" (?) watch in the photo or that it was the same kind of watch that came in that box.
In other words, its not THE watch in those pictures.
He was also lying about thinking Chandra was on a train! What a stupid idea -- he wasn't concerned that she hadn't called, because she was on a 4-day train trip??? She only called him from her cell phone anyway, and surely she would have taken it. Surely she would have called to say goodbye - maybe he didn't love her, but she loved him.
The train thing doesn't jibe with him offering up a reward. Why didn't he ask the Levys if Chandra might be on a train?
"We" surely have.
I don't know your age either but you are not correct. The fact is, most women who have a philandering husband CHOOSE to stay in the marriage. When those marriages break up, its because the philandering husband wants to marry his girlfriend, in most cases. I've seen it many times and who am I to say those women should leave their husbands? They are living their lives, making the decisions they think are best for them.
??May I Guess??
It was Gary that 'suggested' a train 'ride' (maybe with him) would be VERY nice. (Big news too!)
IMNO
IMNO=IMHO
If Condit took the risk of hiring a third party to kill Chandra, why the hell didn't he provide himself with a rock-solid alibi? That doesn't make sense to me.
Yes, that is what you would do if you hired a killer. You'd make sure that during the hours when the killing is to take place, you were photographed with others on the floor of the House, you'd be surrounded by people of unquestionable decency.
Why don't we know where he was on May 1st between 1 pm and 3:30 pm or later?
Why didn't Connie go there? I am sure Condit would have said he did not recollect. Nevertheless, let's get it out there. She should have mentioned Luray too.
I agree! Also accounts for the "partially" packed bags.
karth implied that reporters following Condit around constantly is how the watch box dumping was found out. At least - that's what I gathered from a previous post.
In fact a private citizen - who recognized Condit from his face being on TV a lot - is the one who reported this to the police!!!
Star magazine . Cnn . Larry King . I am not endowed , nor suprised . just thinking out loud . Carry on ladies .. He seem's to prefer it that way , but lord help him .
Nick Dunne said last night on LKL that Condit wasn't just "throwing" it away; it was in a McDonald's french fry contained and that Condit was OUT of the SUV, with his whole arm down IN the trash can, pushing it as far in as he could.
?? Is it a $35.00 secret as to what the "A" stands for in the name Gary A. Condit??
Does anyone really know what/who it represents? A=?
Help.
Well - that certainly sounds 'innocent' to me!!! LOL
LOL ! It has alway's been at least a 1/3 , opposition . Frankly , i believe we have overcome greater number's . Nice to see you weigh in tonight !
See #178. Dogbyte covered your Q.
NN,THANK YOU.........sorry DogByte12, thanks,.....I'm sleeping......good night all,.....it has been good 'fishing'!
....ZZZZZZZZZzzzzzzzzzzzznite!
Somebody said Adrian. I do not know.
Being abused is all she knows; experiences. Being treated with dignity, respect and faithfulness is totally foreign to her. Obviously, their marriage is dysfunctional. If the marriage cannot be repaired, then it should be dissolved. Some marriages aren't worth saving. Just look at her; she's become a skeleton. She's not enjoying the abusive behavior he's dishing out to her. This is no way to live. Life is too short.
I believe she believes she doesn't have the power to change her life. Sometimes, long abused people identify abuse with caring. I think her self-esteem is so low she unconsciously feels she deserves this kind of treatment. She can do better than him, and should show him the door, or slam it in his face on her way out! Living alone could be no worse than what she's got right now. She can choose NOT to be a victim, but Karth is right----the ball's in her court...
My post to you concerned your question (probably an ironic question) to another poster [crystalk] about Joyce Chiang's body being found bound and gagged. Mm-hmm. And about how she was thrown into a marked police car. It was my nice way of saying 'That's some weird sh$t you're spreading. Quote your sources!'
crystal, I appreciate your getting back to me re sources. what can I say? Not everyone on the chandra forum is reliable.
You and I have a misunderstanding.
Yes and no. A lot of what crystalk posted was right. But even if Chiang had been bound and gagged, the body wouldn't have turned up in that condition after time spent in the river (much less proved the marked cruiser), so I discounted that part completely. So when you first replied
Now the DC police Dept can't really be so incompetent as to have ruled a body in that condition a suicide, can they?
I goofed, imagining that you also were referring to the actual condition of the body -- which police did present as a basis for a suicide ruling. Mea culpa.
All that said, I think the DC police were incompetent -- more likely compromised -- to rule suicide rather than homicide, given the other physical and circumstantial evidence.
IMO Karth sounds a lot like Alan Colmes.
The point you miss is the fact that Condit HISOWNSELF arranged this tv interview.
Seems to me if you don't want to publicly discuss your sex life,
you don't do a televised interview trying to salvage your political career
because one of your many extramarital sex partners has vanished. Duh.
The fact is, most women who have a philandering husband CHOOSE to stay in the marriage.
Um, you're just used to Hitlery. Here's a clue -- she's an anomaly, thank God. Perhaps you should quit watching so much day time television.
Idiot.
Not true. Just a fact: most wives of philanderers choose to stay in the marriage.
Glad we got that cleared up. As you can see if you read the above where people dispute with me the simple fact that Abbe Lowell was the one who called Anne Marie Smith's attorney and asked him to stop her phone calls. And they vigorously dispute it even though its right in the transcript I've cited and I've heard it said on TV many times. So thats my point about not believing what you read here on FR. Not only are there mistatements like a body bound and gagged and thrown in the back of the car being ruled a suicide. There can be a half dozen people viciously ganging up on someone making a correct factual statement.
Not an implication. Just a fact. Some paranoid people really do have enemies. Gary Condits had reporters staking him out every where he goes. Every move he makes could turn into a tabloid TV story. And the reporters are living off these stories. A reporter who could bribe a garbage collector to bring him Gary Condit's daily garbage would be set for life.
Not true. Just a fact: most wives of philanderers choose to stay in the marriage.
The spineless doormats you happen to know hardly make up the requisite sample size needed to prove such a "fact."
Why not put your money where your mouth is?
I'll bet you $1,000 he's complicit.
Deal?
Why don't we quit dicking around ? There are only 5 mutually exclusive possibilities: 1) GC murdered her 2) GC ordered her murdered 3) Wife murdered her 4) Wife ordered her murdered 5) Neither had anything to do with it Posters here should simply state their percent probability predictions (adding to 100%), then their prediction on how and when it will end. After it's over, moderator can re-post and declare the closest winner. Mine: 60%, 30%, 5%, 5%, 0%, OJ-style low-speed chase ending in suicide, 6 months.
bttt
Thread 2? This is taking a long time to load.
Good idea!
Could one of you folks start a thread # II (2)?
Thanks, m
Request help per post# 219
Thanks, m
Naw! Condit has said that he has not had relationships with these women. He was only passing out semen.
Chad Condit is the living proof that Gary Condit was screwing around even before he got married. If in 6 months Gary is not indicted, I will say, "DC police did a horrible job, indict then on the "obstruction of justice" charges."
Sorry, don't know how to start another thread. Never had to do it before.
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