I don't believe one branch of goverment can order another branch of goverment to do anything. Am I wrong here??

I don't believe one branch of goverment can order another branch of goverment to do anything. Am I wrong here??

I'll just show you something from thread I:

executive privilege:

exemption of the executive branch of government, or its officers, from having to give evidence, specifically, in U.S. law, the exemption of the president from disclosing information to congressional inquiries or the judiciary. Claims of executive privilege are usually invoked to protect confidential military or diplomatic operations or to protect the private discussions and debates of the president with close aides. Efforts by various presidents since Eisenhower to gain absolute and unqualified privilege have been rejected by the courts, though they remain inclined to support most claims of executive privilege. Where criminal charges are being brought against a president, as in the case of Richard Nixon, the claims of executive privilege are weakest; during the process leading to the impeachment of President Bill Clinton, numerous claims made by the White House were dropped when it was clear courts would not uphold them.

Burton's Subpoena is ALSO looking for things BEFORE Clinton,
the documents requested go back 4 decades,
so Burton has provided a reason why this administration
can release ALL the documents without being accused of just going after Clinton.
An Explanation of the Items Under Subpoena
and their Significance

The Need for Oversight of the Justice Department
Subpoena served on Attorney General Ashcroft on September 6, 2001
Letter to Attorney General Ashcroft explaining the need for the subpoena
An Explanation of the Items Under Subpoena and their Significance
Letter to Attorney General Ashcroft regarding document request
Request for Attorney Ashcroft to Testify on Thursday, September 13, 2001
Notice Regarding Hearing

VOICE YOUR OPINION!

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They certainly didn't do well with Clinton/Reno.

Just what is it about we, the citizens, that we cannot be trusted to hear the truth?

font fix?

font fix?

In all the times I've read your posts, I'd never noticed your mis-spelling of Yatch--ain' that a big hole in the water into which you pour money?? Particularly big hole if it's a Navy ship??

Sorry, TGYC! After I made the thread and then did post #3, my AOL connection died in the middle of fixing the font problem and I had to restart my machine. ;-(

Thanks for fixing it - sorry for the aggravation!

Well Done!

"I'd never noticed your mis-spelling of Yatch"

The real laugh is that it wasn't until about 6 weeks after I registered that I noticed it was wrong. LOL

This works for me. The executive and legislative branches have an honest disagreement about privilege? Fine. Take it to the judiciary, and let them sort it out. That is what the separation of powers is about. Both the legislature and the executive believe they have rights -- rights conceded are rights lost. The two branches disagree about what those rights are. Let the courts settle it (that is their job), then call it a fair fight with no hard feelings.

Does anyone seriously think that Mr. Bush will not willingly comply with the court's eventual conclusion in this case? This is a man with tremendous respect for the law. But just because you respect the law does not mean you roll over and play dead. Similarly the Congress should not roll over and play dead.

"my AOL connection died in the middle of fixing the font problem and I had to restart my machine."

My advice: Get a new ISP already. Having an AOL account is looked on suspiciously by most conservatives in this forum, including me.

Does anyone seriously think that Mr. Bush will not willingly comply with the court's eventual conclusion in this case?

I'll be shocked.

There is no logical reason why the documents requested, which span 4 decades,
should not be turned over as required.
They should have been handed over without the need for a subpoena.

"Having an AOL account is looked on suspiciously"

China AOL Time Warner and News Corp (aka Fox News) "Deal" - The REAL Story - from China

In the not to distant future
Mrs. Sheeple tells her kids "AOL and Fox News say China is our friend
and I watched that new channel from China and the people are SO happy."

Does anyone seriously think that Mr. Bush will not willingly comply with the court's eventual conclusion in this case? This is a man with tremendous respect for the law. But just because you respect the law does not mean you roll over and play dead. Similarly the Congress should not roll over and play dead.

I personally don't because Dubya does respect the law and continues the de-clintonizing of the White House - i.e., continue doing the right things. Like it was prior to clinton taking office.

Check out Thread 1 and you'll see a lot of discussion regarding the probability that he used the executive privilege to posture himself so as not to look like he was trying to sick the dogs on clinton. Well folks I used exec privilege but now the court says I have to comply and so here it is.

Did I say that right?

So why, why, why is Bush holding this stuff so close to his vest? And why has he also illegally refused to release information about the Reagan Administration?

Suggest you go back to Thread 1 and read Alamo-Girl's posts (hit Control + F and type in " Alamo-Girl " and read her replies; they are very informative).

Alternative theory..Burton has already "seen" the material..if there wasn't anything hot, he wouldn't bother going after it..this is carefully choreographed...possibly for two reasons...1)..to make Bush seem a good guy, and possibly a sting operation on Waxman..see if the House Dems shoot themselves in the foot...BTW, it'll be interesting to see if Lantos plays nice this time......he has got to be thrilled with the way Bush and Powell avoided the UN conference...compared to the way Clinton hung Israel out to dry....so maybe Bushs will have an unexpected friend at the hearings..I'm not holding my breath, but I wonder if Lantos might behave a tad more even-handed..

My advice: Get a new ISP already. Having an AOL account is looked on suspiciously by most conservatives in this forum, including me.

Huh? What in the world does that mean? I mean, sometimes A**OL is a pain in the neck, but aren't most of them, now and then at least?

Further, AOL doesn't tell me how to think, how to vote, where to work or ANYTHING.

Why would someone be so narrow-minded as to be suspicious of ME because I just happen to have had AOL for the last 3 years? ? ?

Call me Bumfuzzled in Rowlett, Texas

Bump......

AOL Get Off The Air

ping

"as to be suspicious of ME"

You can use whatever isp you want, that would not change my mind about you.
I know a real conservative when I "see" one!

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You can use whatever isp you want, that would not change my mind about you.
I know a real conservative when I "see" one!

Thanks, TGYC! ;-)

BTW, until thread 1 today, I hadn't ever noticed the Yatch spelling in your screen name either! And when I was in grade school, spelling was my greatest strength. If I ever got a 95 on a spelling test, I was concerned! LOL

"Support the plan - push for Congressional subpoena!"
245 Posted on 09/08/2001 10:00:04 PDT by anniegetyourgun

Yes!

"Let's pray, write letters and make calls of support."
247 Posted on 09/08/2001 10:01:52 PDT by G-Rated

Yes!

"This is great news! What does it mean? Could congress finally realize we are not going to go away?
263 Posted on 09/08/2001 10:35:34 PDT by abigail2

Right on mark abigail, and - I'm not going anywhere- but here.

"It's politics still, but at least it's moving in the opposite direction from when the criminal enterprise held the reins at Justice.
284 Posted on 09/08/2001 11:26:13 PDT by MHGinTN

Yeppers!

"Congress is on the witchhunt - not Bush and Ashcroft."
292 Posted on 09/08/2001 11:43:30 PDT by ClancyJ

Yep!

(hit Control + F and type in " Alamo-Girl " and read her replies; they are very informative).

Thanks for posting that...very nice to know.

They should have been handed over without the need for a subpoena.

Correct!
Ashcroft needs to give up anything and everything related to Burton's request - and let the chips fall where they may.
Personally, I would not be embarrassed by having an ex-POTUS locked up at Leavenworth. It's way past time that some folks begin to reap what they have sown.

AG John Ashcroft sat through the Senate impeachment hearings, years of dealing with Clinton and Dem. Senators, and the six-week horrendous war from the press, leftist organizations and the Dem. Senate during the confirmation hearings for AG. Does anyone here truly believe that this man wouldn't love to see the dirty Dems. go down? In case anyone doubts the courage and character of AG Ashcroft, a trip down memory lane and the enemies he has faced down:

Ashcroft takes steps to make his stance on Second Amendment official policy.
Ashcroft to FBI: Shape Up!
God gave nation its freedom, Ashcroft says
Ashcroft has emerged as a serious player
'TORCH' Plans to Burn Ashcroft
Death penalty foes attack Ashcroft
Anti-Gun Group Launches Ashcroft Watchdog Web-Site
Ashcroft's Attempt to Live His Faith Prompts Knee-Jerk Liberal Protest
Ashcroft: No More Dough for Tobacco Foes
Struggling to Kneel--a true story by John Ashcroft
Ashcroft on libery, equality
Ashcroft capsule profile
Ashcroft on the Issues

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President-elect Bush nominated John Ashcroft for AG on Dec. 22, 2000. AG Ashcroft was confirmed on Feb. 1, 2001 after a war that clearly defined the players and character of those on the left:

The Attempt to Block Ashcroft-a Confirmed Witch Hunt
Communist Party Urges Kennedy to Stop Ashcroft (nomination)
Excerpts From Remarks in the Senate Debate on John Ashcroft
Democrats tried to frame Ashcroft
FRC Exposes Real Agenda Behind Anti-Ashcroft Campaign
Hannity: Groups lobbying against Senator Ashcroft broke the law
Media vs. Ashcroft
Democrats.com organized war against Ashcroft
Former nominees agree Ashcroft ordeal extreme
Assassinating Ashcroft
People for the Amerian Way buying full page national disinformation/smear ads to derail Ashcroft
The Ashcroft Inquisition
RATS Smear and Heckle Sen. Ashcroft
Ashcroft & Jackson: a lesson in media's upside-down morality
Ashcroft nomination: Proof of Washington's Corruption, Charlie Reese.
Bashing Ashcroft, Jeff Jacoby
The Real Face of Extremism: Unmasking John Ashcroft's Opposition, 30 page report from freecongress.org
NOW Wages All - Out - War On John Ashcroft
Labor vs. Ashcroft

For more on those who fought against him, including the MMM, PP, NARAL, NOW, Sierra Club, Communist Party USA, Larry Flynt...check out the FR archives and read the over 200 individual articles attacking Ashcroft during the hearings. The press was busy.

SUPERB LINKS COWGIRL....SUPERB. Thank you so much.

That same list of people that attacked him will
really go after him if he does not produce the documents in the subpoena.
He and President Bush CANNOT be accused of
just going after Clinton because Burton was smart enough to ask for
documents spanning 4 decades.

An Explanation of the Items Under Subpoena and their Significance

"The events under review took place over almost four decades
and can be described as one of the greatest failures of
federal law enforcement in the history of the United States."
From link on post 33

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were dropped when it was clear courts would not uphold them.

Thanks for the links Ragtime Cowgirl. They are superb!

I understand. He will follow the law. They came from every low place to destroy John Ashcroft with lies, threats and accusations of racism, homophobia, women-hating..the big PC emotional three. They attacked his honor, his reputation and his good name. AG Ashcroft is a God-fearing man and though he has more reasons than any of us to hate the people who waged this battle against his character, he is a good man.

He will follow the law.

Respect for the law??? Is this why he has dodged and thwarted all attempts to hold Clinton and his gang accountable for crimes perpatrated on the people of America----please. I voted for Bush, I got behind him during the election, but now I am seeing a differant man. Oh yeah, Amnesty for 3 plus million "illegals"--respect for who's law are you refering?

were dropped when it was clear courts would not uphold them.

Pretty sorry and questionable, in my opinion, to let the ArseHole clinton go. One has to wonder what kind of shenanigans went on to allow the pass, huh? ;-(

I assume that your intentions/thoughts were along that line when you sent this reply?. . .

You are very welcome. We should start a thread: "Who do you think deserves a front row seat in the trial of Clinton & Co.?" Juanita Broderick, Linda Tripp, Dan Burton, Dave Schippers (sp?), the House Impeachment Managers, Charlton Heston, Chris Cox, Paul Sperry, the pre-Hillary Travel Office, John Breaux, John Ashcroft, Ken Starr (for that 13-hour grilling by House Dems.), Strom Thurmond, Clarence Thomas, the Pope, the Boy Scouts, real men, pregnant mothers, Socks the cat.....(^:

bttt

"....he is a good man. He will follow the law."

I think he will too. (And I expect him to.)

"Socks the cat.....(^:"

Yeah...Hillary's cat - needs to be there - she'll run amok when she hears all the evidence against her scumbag owners.

(Socks....was Hillary's cat, right?)(BTTT!)

David Schippers should be allowed to do the prosecuting!

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How 'bout Gary Aldrich.