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Russia helps US hunt down terrorists, sees vindication for Chechnya
AFP ^
| 9/12
Posted on 09/12/2001 6:22:26 AM PDT by oxi-nato
MOSCOW, Sept 12 (AFP) - Russia put its intelligence service to work on Wednesday in the hunt for those responsible for the devastating US attacks after President Vladimir Putin urged the world to go to war against terorrism. Ordinary Russians, many of whom laid flowers and lit candles outside the US embassy in Moscow, said they felt vindicated in their view that the ruthlessness of the Russian campaign in Chechnya was a legitimate response to terrorism.
Putin signed a decree asking the nation to hold a minute of silence at noon (0800 GMT) Thursday to show respect for those who died in the deadly suicide attacks in Washington and New York, the Kremlin said. "The United States, we are with you," proclaimed a placard attached to the barrier protecting the embassy, closed for security reasons Wednesday as well as the US school. The Russian FSB (ex-KGB) domestic intelligence agency said it had launched its own investigation and promised to pass on any information "immediately" to its US counterparts, ITAR-TASS reported citing FSB sources.
Putin urged a massive international response, reminding Washington of Moscow's concerns about international terrorism, in a clear reference to the heavily criticized Russian military operation in breakaway Chechnya. "It is a challenge to all humanity," Putin said in a sombre address before the nation re-broadcast at regular intervals since late Tuesday, offering his condolences to the American people. The attacks underline "the relevance of the Russian proposal to unite efforts to fight terrorism," he said.
Two hijacked planes crashed into the World Trade Center in New York on Tuesday, destroying it entirely, and another ploughed into the Pentagon in Washington. A fourth crashed in Pennsylvania. Thousands were feared dead as US officials pointed the finger of blame at Saudi dissident Osama bin Laden, who lives in Afghanistan ruled by Kabul's extremist Taliban militia. Moscow accuses bin Laden and the Taliban of helping Chechen guerrillas who have been fighting Russian troops since October 1, 1999, when Moscow launched an "anti-terrorist" operation in Chechnya following deadly blasts in Russia blamed on the rebels.
The military operation has provoked strong international condemnation because of widespread human rights abuses by federal forces. Some passers-by in the Russian capital said that now Americans, like them, understood the horror of terrorism. Alina, a housewife who was out shopping, contended that the United States had brushed aside Russian fears when Moscow launched its crackdown in Chechnya. "The Americans did not know what terrorism is. I am sorry for them, they have paid a terrible price. But know they know," the woman said.
Independent Moscow-based political analyst Andrei Piontkovsky suggested that Putin's show of solidarity with the United States could help mute criticism of the Chechen campaign. "He implicitly reproached the West for not backing the 'anti-terrorist' struggle waged by Russia in Chechnya. He let it be understood that if Moscow supports America, it wants it to stop criticizing Russian actions in Chechnya," he said. The dollar, long used by many Russians as a safe haven, fell heavily on Wednesday on street exchange in the wake of the attacks, losing up to a third of its value against the Russian ruble.
Late on Tuesday some exchange offices even bought the dollar for as little as half of its previous value in Moscow and Saint Petersburg and others refused to even accept the US currency. Security meanwhile was stepped up across Russia, with police boosting their presence around embassies in Moscow and the nation's nuclear power plants. Moscow had already placed its interior ministry troops on a state of high alert.
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posted on
09/12/2001 6:22:26 AM PDT
by
oxi-nato
To: oxi-nato
I am sure that those Ruskies wouldn't mind a little scorched earth for Afganistan, eh?
2
posted on
09/12/2001 6:34:57 AM PDT
by
mattdono
To: oxi-nato
Message to Moscow: we gave you a free hand in Chechnya and looked the other way. Now it's time for you to shut your eyes and mouths tightly.
3
posted on
09/12/2001 6:35:23 AM PDT
by
Physicist
(sterner@sterner.hep.upenn.edu)
Comment #4 Removed by Moderator
To: oxi-nato
Notice how a fraction of the one million Chechens are destroying the Russian Army at a rapid pace!
As history has shown: occuping forces have never defeated a local guerilla.
So I would think twice if the Americans are planning to go into Afganistan.
5
posted on
09/12/2001 7:16:19 AM PDT
by
konijn
To: konijn
As history has shown: occuping forces have never defeated a local guerilla. Well, you don't know your history very well
See (just to name a few):
British in Malaysia
American Indians
Soviets in the Baltics
Jews and the Romans
etc.
6
posted on
09/12/2001 7:29:35 AM PDT
by
2banana
Comment #7 Removed by Moderator
To: realise
Correct me if I'm wrong but didn't the Ruskies invade Chechyna first and in retaliation for nothing? I will correct you because you are wrong. Islamic fundamentalists from Chechnya set off numerous bombs in Moscow as well as other Russian cities. I recall one bomb killed 400 people in an apartment building. These scumbags have also kidnapped and held for ransom hundreds of Russains, sometimes killing them outright.
Russia had enough. They are vindicated for Chechnya.
To: realise
No, Chechenya has been part of Russia since the days of the Tsars. The Russians are fighting the same enemy: bin Laden has financed and trained the Chechen separtists, and helped whip up Islamic fervor throughout the region.
Comment #10 Removed by Moderator
To: oxi-nato
Bin Laden is an engineer who would know how to maximize damage to structures. Since he now appears to be a high official of the Taliban regime, I think the appropriate response of the Bush administration would be to declare war on Afghan Taliban. Bin Laden denies responsibility, but has lauded the acts. He is at the very least an ally of the perpetrators.
11
posted on
09/12/2001 10:06:43 AM PDT
by
Kerensky
To: konijn
If you mean 5 thousand dead Russians for the price of about 20,000 dead Chechins, then you have a very warped sense of what destroying means. In the long run, with only 1 million Chechins and less then 250,000 living in Chechinya, this kind of attrition rate will prove nothing but extinction for Chechins as a people. Something you might not realize, Chechin rebel targets (half of Chechins are actually arabs or afghans) are other Chechins. Imagine that.
As for never defeating one, the Red Army defeated the Ukrainian guerillas. Hitler defeated the Polish guerillas. Malaysia defeated guerillas. The Vietcong were wiped out by the US. The Phillipino revolt was put down by the US. There are just as many examples of guerillas dieing out or being wiped out as of them succeeding...learn history it'll help you.
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posted on
09/12/2001 10:25:51 AM PDT
by
Stavka2
To: oxi-nato
It's not Americans on the street that determine foreign policy with its covert and overt support of the Chechen and Albanian terrorists.
To: Physicist
Message to Moscow: we gave you a free hand in Chechnya and looked the other way. Now it's time for you to shut your eyes and mouths tightly.
Oh, B.S.!! The U.S. input on Russia's justifiable action in Chechnya has always been--and I hope this will now change--a constant barrage of hypocritical moralizing and recrimination for who knows what real purpose (probably oil influence in the Caspian, ultimately). U.S. politicians even MET with those sick, barbarian f**cks! How would YOU feel if the Russians now saw fit to entertain Bin Laden in the Kremlin? Personally, I think its high time you did some shutting up of your own.
To: realise
Vindication for Chechnya??? Correct me if I'm wrong but didn't the Ruskies invade Chechyna first and in retaliation for nothing? Silly Ruskies...
No, YOU'RE the silly one, you daft idiot. The Chechians carried out terrorist attacks on Russian soil (ring any bells?) and invaded the Russian Republic of Dagestan. Did you just hear a popping sound? That's the noise your head makes coming out your stupid a$$.
To: ProbableCause
Screw it. My patience has died over the last two days. If I get kicked for calling a spade a spade, then so be it.
To: ProbableCause
Did you see us shipping stinger missiles to Chechnya like we did to Afghanistan? We did not. Russia got a
complete and total pass, even in the face of their continued
material support for rogue states like Yugoslavia and Iran.
When Yugoslavia shot down that F117A, whose assistance was used to do it? Where was the wreckage shipped? When our boys were in harm's way in the Balkans, they faced Russian hardware. When YOUR boys were in harm's way in Chechnya, did they face American hardware? They did not. They faced Russian hardware.
And nothing I've mention even constitutes the biggest debt Russia owes the U.S. right now.
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posted on
09/13/2001 4:28:30 AM PDT
by
Physicist
(sterner@sterner.hep.upenn.edu)
To: mattdono
America has to face reality. Russia has been holding the line against Islamic expansion like Israel. It was America that aided Islam by destroying Serbia.
- In the village of Noi Atka, five Russian soldiers were killed by a remote controlled mine, which was detonated by the Mujahideen.
- Mujahideen also exploded a URAL truck and a BTR vehicle with a remote controlled mine, between the villages of Quiti and Urus-Martan. A number of Russian soldiers were killed.
- Mujahideen detonated a military vehicle between the villages of Sheriot and Noi Atka, which resulted in the death of all its Russian occupants.
- In the capital Grozny, Mujahideen destroyed a military truck carrying a Shilka anti aircraft weapon, and killed all of its occupants.
- Two Russian soldiers died in battles with the Mujahideen in Grozny.
- In Ashkhoi Martan, Mujahideen blew up an UZAK jeep, which killed a Russian soldier and injured three others. The Russian administration admitted the attack.
- In the village of Kershel, in Vedeno, the unit of Field Commander Rabbani detonated a number of mines under the feet of Russian infantry soldiers, which killed and injured a number of them.
- Field Commander Imran's unit also detonated a number of mines against a group of Russian infantry soldiers. A number of them were killed and others injured.
- Field Commander Abu Sufyan's unit blew up a BTR vehicle, between the villages of Sentroi and Belgtoi. The occupants were killed and the vehicle was burnt down.
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posted on
09/13/2001 5:01:35 AM PDT
by
Israel
To: oxi-nato
Quite a contrast between the Russian response and the images of the various muslim populations dancing in the streets and celebrating, isn't it?
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posted on
09/13/2001 5:08:10 AM PDT
by
medved
To: konijn
So I would think twice if the Americans are planning to go into Afganistan. There's a huge difference between going in to occupy/pacify and going in to destroy. I would assume that we would be going in with the latter objective...
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posted on
09/13/2001 5:10:33 AM PDT
by
kevkrom
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