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Afghan targets pose dilemma for US
Guardian | 9/15 | Luke Harding and Rory McCarthy

Posted on 09/14/2001 9:36:44 PM PDT by oxi-nato

American strategists face a dilemma as they contemplate a missile strike against Afghanistan: what, exactly, to destroy when so much has already been destroyed. Between 1992 and 1996, as civil war raged, rival Mujaheddin factions shelled Kabul relentlessly. Innumerable rockets fell from the high brown mountains that encircle the city killing some 50,000 people. Most buildings of importance were pulverised and much of the city is still a ruin.

Nevertheless, US military planners will be working to identify key buildings and military installations used by the Taliban's extremist regime. The Taliban now appear to be as much a target as Osama bin Laden, the man they refuse to give up. Some important Taliban buildings are set a little distance away from the civilian population. The foreign ministry, which looks rather like a Swiss town hall, is surrounded by pine trees and stands in its own pleasant gardens.

Kabul's former royal palace nearby also offers a discrete target. Senior Taliban officials hold cabinet meetings here every Wednesday afternoon. But many of the Taliban's major ministries are in the heart of Kabul itself. The modern culture ministry adjoins a busy bazaar. The interior ministry - damaged by an unexplained bomb last Saturday - is in the middle of a commercial district. And the modern education ministry is next to a row of shops, surrounded by pedestrians, cyclists and yellow Toyota taxis.

Inevitably any missile strikes here would run the risk of heavy civilian casualties. Kabul airport, to the north-east of the city, is a more uncomplicated strategic target. Soon after the attacks in New York and Washington, Afghanistan's anti-Taliban opposition blasted the airport with a helicopter gunship. Further strikes would damage an airport building already riddled with bullet holes. The carcasses of wrecked planes already litter the side of the shrapnel-scarred runway. Not, though, that the Taliban have much of an airforce: they are estimated to have only three MiG jets, left by the retreating Soviet army.

The most important target for any retaliatory attack is of course Bin Laden, the prime suspect. He has lived under Taliban protection inside Afghanistan since 1996. But the problem is finding him, as the Americans discovered when they bombed his training camps in Khost, south-east Afghanistan, in August 1998, following the devastating embassy bombings in east Africa. Bin Laden had left the camp half an hour earlier. He moves secretly between bases deep inside Afghanistan. They include a large Arab camp next to the airport north of Kandahar, a southern desert city; a smaller base in the remote Oruzgan mountains; and another camp near the town of Jalalabad in eastern Afghanistan, cut into a rockface. The camp is said to boast a large Islamic library, state-of-the-art communications equipment and three uncomfortable beds.

All can expect to be the targets of US retaliation. So too can the house in central Kandahar belonging to Mullah Mohammad Omar, the Taliban's reclusive spiritual leader. Mullah Omar's previous house was badly damaged by a mysterious bomb left in a truck, which killed at least 10 people. He then moved to a more spacious property, with high white walls, allegedly paid for by Bin Laden, his close friend with whom he sometimes goes fishing. Bin Laden is also believed to have a property in Kandahar fortified with anti-aircraft guns. His four wives and many children are said to live here.

Unconfirmed reports suggest that Mullah Omar has temporarily moved out. The difficulty America faces is that the Taliban leadership knows full well what is coming. "Last time they only attempted to strike the camp. This time they want to eliminate the whole system and government," Abdul Hai Mutmaen, the Taliban's spokesman, said yesterday. The irony is that there is not much left in Afghanistan that has not already been blown up.


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1 posted on 09/14/2001 9:36:44 PM PDT by oxi-nato
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To: oxi-nato
Nice try.

We won't be disuaded.

If it moves, breathes, or walks upright, it is a target.

3 posted on 09/14/2001 9:39:30 PM PDT by Lazamataz
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To: oxi-nato
That's why we need to use nukes in Afghanistan to reduce the wreckage to glass and to obliterate it's people.
4 posted on 09/14/2001 9:42:51 PM PDT by LenS
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To: oxi-nato
I would think we will begin supporting the opposition? Would they be on friendly terms with us (i.e. not Commies or more radical)?
5 posted on 09/14/2001 9:43:32 PM PDT by Cleburne
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To: oxi-nato
If we can't find him, just keep shelling suspected bases. If we can't get him directly, at least we can keep him occupied and on the run. And one day, we'll get him, or he'll hire a CIA agent by mistake who lets us know where to find him. Then the party's over.
6 posted on 09/14/2001 9:43:41 PM PDT by July 4th
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To: oxi-nato
What's the dilemma? Whether to carpet bomb the entire country, or simply saturation bombing of the entire nation?

Me? I recommend both... why should we have to make a difficult choice like that???

7 posted on 09/14/2001 9:45:24 PM PDT by Chad Fairbanks
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To: LenS
I would hope you are being sarcastic. The elimination of its government would be benificial for us and for the people of Afghanastan, many of whom are innocent and probably would like to see the Taliban gone anyway (at least some of them do for sure).
8 posted on 09/14/2001 9:45:42 PM PDT by Cleburne
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To: oxi-nato
If they run to Pakistan, kill them there.

If they run to Iran, kill them there.

If they run to Africa, kill them there.

If they run to China, kill them there.

If they run to Ohio, kill them there.

As Stonewall Jackson said concerning the Yankees: "Kill 'em. Kill 'em all."

9 posted on 09/14/2001 9:46:00 PM PDT by SEA
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To: Lazamataz
If they all start walking away now they'll be well out of the kill zone.

At least they have warning, which is more than they gave us.

A sneak attack leaving over 5,000 dead and 11 of our congresscritters either voted no or didn't bother to vote.

What kind of sick animals do we have running around in the US House?

10 posted on 09/14/2001 9:46:24 PM PDT by Rome2000
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To: Lazamataz
Do you wish to cleanse Afghanistan of human life? I'm sure you don't really desire that. Even more comforting is that I am sure Bush does not wish that. We simply cannot and must not sink to the level of brutes that savaged us.
11 posted on 09/14/2001 9:47:20 PM PDT by Torie
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To: oxi-nato JohnHuang2
First, we won't just have a missile strike

Second; The Taliban now appear to be as much a target as Osama bin Laden, the man they refuse to give up

Thats the new US policy! Its a good one.

12 posted on 09/14/2001 9:48:17 PM PDT by GeronL
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To: Torie
OCCUPATION -- don't waste million dollar missle one 5 dollar huts.
13 posted on 09/14/2001 9:48:28 PM PDT by Naspino
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To: Chad Fairbanks Lazamataz
I think the Russians need some coordinated bombing training and they hate the Afghani's. Maybe a joint US-Russia saturation bombing campaign.
14 posted on 09/14/2001 9:50:26 PM PDT by GeronL
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To: GeronL
Well, of course... it wouldn't be as much fun without friends to share it with...
15 posted on 09/14/2001 9:53:33 PM PDT by Chad Fairbanks
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To: Torie
We must, in self defense, cleanse the world of these vermin. That includes the perpetrators and their entire support structure.

The vermin who attacked the WTC paid no attention to the choice of men, women, or children. They killed them all.

If we must do likewise to ensure we are safe from future attacks, then that is our job to perform - for our generation and generations yet to come. It is our obligation, our duty to ourselves and our posterity to make sure our country is safe from vermin like bin Laden, Hamas, Islamic Jihad and the others who would murder our innocent women and children.

Vermin like bin Laden, Hamas, Islamic Jihad and the others have made it clear that they will never stop trying to kill our innocent women and children. They have made it clear that only death will terminate their activities. So we will kill them. If these vermin use innocents as human shields to protect themselves from our attacks, we can only pray to God for these innocent victims of bin Laden et al and then proceed to eliminate the scum that created the situation in which innocents must die.

We have no other choice if we are to provide a secure future for our children and theirs.

Vermin like bin Laden, Hamas, Islamic Jihad and the others have made the rules, now they must suffer the terrible consequences for their choices.

16 posted on 09/14/2001 10:00:55 PM PDT by jimkress
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To: jimkress
That's a real nice thought, and lord knows, I wish it were true. But because they have broken the rules, does not mean that we can. We are a civilized country, we fight in the light, these people are EVIL and fight in the darkness. We will have to go into the darkness to root them out, but we must not become evil in order to do it!!

We will get him, and the Taliban is TOAST, and if it gets real bad, tacticals ought to work just fine. But, we need to try conventional first!!
17 posted on 09/14/2001 10:08:28 PM PDT by Aric2000
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To: Naspino
The level of delusion on this thread is amazing. What the article says is that the Air Force will be of little use, since there is nothing worth bombing. This was pretty much the situation in the III Corps sector of South Vietnam, as I remember it. We sent B52s after foxholes, and if we were lucky we obliterated some bunkers. We couldn't kill a high percentage of guerrillas from the air, and we didn't have enough manpower to control the ground. The interservice rivalry was extreme, and each service had to have a mission of equal importance. I don't deny the usefulness of fighter bombers used in support of ground troops, but they shouldn't really be counted upon. The use of strategic bombers was ridiculous in what should have been an infantry only situation. But the people and the units were moved too often to gain actual control of the ground.

What I can't imagine is attempting to control the ground in Afghanistan. If we send in the tanks we can control the desert where nobody lives, but there is no way we can control the mountains. Do we have the troops? No. Do we have the tanks and artillery? Yes, but in the mountains they are nearly as useless as B52s and much more vulnerable to counterattack

Veterans of Korea might have something to say here, or veterans of the failed Russian invasion of Afghanistan, or veterans of Russian campaigns against Chechnya.

Basically we are much less able to mount an invasion of Afghanistan than was the British Army in 1860 or whenever it was. The got creamed also.

18 posted on 09/14/2001 10:15:10 PM PDT by Sicvee
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To: Aric2000
We are not made evil by the destruction of evil. If innocents die it is because of the actions of the evil we destroy. The deaths of the innocents are the fault of evil, not us. All we can do is pray for the innocents and get on with the task of destroying evil.

To not destroy evil because evil uses innocents to shield themselves is to ensure that even more innocents die in the future. The most moral, responsible action is to eliminate evil NOW, before it can be responsible for the deaths of more innocent people.

19 posted on 09/14/2001 10:18:48 PM PDT by jimkress
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To: Sicvee
So what's your solution? Break out the video cameras and place them where we can get more pictures of our citizens being murdered?
20 posted on 09/14/2001 10:20:54 PM PDT by jimkress
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