I've been reading some posts on FR saying that the attacks on NYC/WDC were out of line with true Islam. These didn't sound right to me, because I thought I recalled reading things in the Koran supportive of violence to infidels.

IF you'll go to the link above you can read the applicable sections of the Koran for yourself.

Open for discussion.

After reading a bunch of these sections from the Koran, it seems to me the book is full of calls for violence against non-adherents.

It certainly doesn't seem to resemble the peaceloving book pro-Islamics have been saying it is.

"There is a great lack of understanding between the Arab world and the United States just now," said the young man behind the counter. "There sure is," I said. "Why do *you* think this is?" said the sharp dresser. The truthful anwer would have been, "Because one by one and man to man Arabs are the salt of the earth--generous, hospitable, brave, wise, and so forth. But get you in a pack and shove a Koran down your pants and you act like a footlocker full of glue-sniffing civet cats."
-- P. J. O'Rourke,
"Among the Euroweenies", _Holidays in Hell_, 1988

The Koran

"Fight and slay the pagans [i.e. infidels] wherever ye find them, and seize them, beleaguer them, and lie in wait for them in every stratagem of war." Sura 9:5

The Dinner Table
In the name of Allah, the Beneficent, the Merciful.

[5.51] O you who believe! do not take the Jews and the Christians for friends; they are friends of each other; and whoever amongst you takes them for a friend, >then surely he is one of them; surely Allah does not guide the unjust people.

The Immunity

[9.29] Fight those who do not believe in Allah, nor in the latter day, nor do they prohibit what Allah and His Apostle have prohibited, nor follow the religion of truth, out of those who have been given the Book, until they pay the tax in acknowledgment of superiority and they are in a state of subjection.

[9.30] And the Jews say: Uzair is the son of Allah; and the Christians say: The Messiah is the son of Allah; these are the words of their mouths; they imitate the saying of those who disbelieved before; may Allah destroy them; how they are turned away!

shameless bump

You are wrong, sir (or ma'am.) The Koran teaches tolerence of all Religions. The idea is one God, many names. Moslems share the same heritage of Jewish prophets and regard Jesus as a prophet. You need to do some research before you make such blanket statements. One could make the same ignorant statements about the Gospels based on some of the zealot Christian sects.

Sunni Moslems believe in 'one God, many names.'

Shiite Moslems believe in 'one god, their religion.'

who is the translator? my translation doesn't say that.

http://www.hti.umich.edu/k/koran/browse.html

This is an electronic version of The Holy Qur'an, translated by M.H. Shakir and published by Tahrike Tarsile Qur'an, Inc., in 1983. The text was provided by the Online Book Initiative and subsequently marked up at the HTI in SGML. Like all the versions of this text derived from the Online Book Initiative, it is not free from errors. We will strive to correct any errors pointed out to us.

I suppose the version they hand out to Christians is cleaned up a bit.

You are wrong, sir (or ma'am.) The Koran teaches tolerence of all Religions. The idea is one God, many names. Moslems share the same heritage of Jewish prophets and regard Jesus as a prophet. You need to do some research before you make such blanket statements. One could make the same ignorant statements about the Gospels based on some of the zealot Christian sects.

Maybe you could explain the contradiction in your own post between the second and sixth sentences. Tolerance, huh?

We have judges posting one of the versions of the Ten Commandments regardless of the feelings of others; we have alleged ministers appearing on TV saying "God does not hear the prayers of a Jew"; we have the likes of Ann Coulter writing in a column how we should "We should invade their countries, kill their leaders and convert them to Christianity" regardless of whether they are interested in becomming Christians and we call them intolerant?

No.

Some of those passages are a little misleading, the one that starts "slay them wherever you find them" is about how to deal with deserters during war. However, you will find plenty of encouragement to kill during war, and I think that's why they say that they are "at war" because then they are authorized. Revenge is also authorized in two different places.

Who's to say the perps were really religious fanatics and not just looney tunes? I heard that the night before the attack, some of them were out getting drunk and buying lap dances. Doesn't sound very faithful to me.

Muslims tell me that the Koran promises hell and all those other awful things to athiests - not Non-Muslims

No, that isn't true. Chapter 5 makes it very clear in several places that hell is for unbelievers... and Jews and Christians are unbelievers. If they convert, okay, but other wise, "sizzle."

Did you go to the link and read the passages from the Koran supporting violence against those who refuse to agree with the teachings of Islam?

The difference between this and what you posted is simple: This is what the Koran says, not what people say and do.

The Koran reads alot like the old testament. Kill all the men, women, children, ect..The english translation of the Koran most often refers to the rest of us as "unbelievers". It is not now nor has it ever been a peacefull religion. It was originally spread by the sword and it still is to this day. I have no qualms saying that I believe they should be driven from all civilized nations and a total war(, a-la Sherman,Carthage, ect..,) begun against all Islamic peoples.