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An Afghan-American speaks
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Posted on 09/15/2001 8:09:42 PM PDT by MitchellC

An Afghan-American speaks

You can't bomb us back into the Stone Age. We're already there. But you can start a new world war, and that's exactly what Osama bin Laden wants.

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By Tamim Ansary

Sept. 14, 2001 | I've been hearing a lot of talk about "bombing Afghanistan back to the Stone Age." Ronn Owens, on San Francisco's KGO Talk Radio, conceded today that this would mean killing innocent people, people who had nothing to do with this atrocity, but "we're at war, we have to accept collateral damage. What else can we do?" Minutes later I heard some TV pundit discussing whether we "have the belly to do what must be done."

And I thought about the issues being raised especially hard because I am from Afghanistan, and even though I've lived in the United States for 35 years I've never lost track of what's going on there. So I want to tell anyone who will listen how it all looks from where I'm standing.

I speak as one who hates the Taliban and Osama bin Laden. There is no doubt in my mind that these people were responsible for the atrocity in New York. I agree that something must be done about those monsters.

But the Taliban and bin Laden are not Afghanistan. They're not even the government of Afghanistan. The Taliban are a cult of ignorant psychotics who took over Afghanistan in 1997. Bin Laden is a political criminal with a plan. When you think Taliban, think Nazis. When you think bin Laden, think Hitler. And when you think "the people of Afghanistan" think "the Jews in the concentration camps." It's not only that the Afghan people had nothing to do with this atrocity. They were the first victims of the perpetrators. They would exult if someone would come in there, take out the Taliban and clear out the rats' nest of international thugs holed up in their country.

Some say, why don't the Afghans rise up and overthrow the Taliban? The answer is, they're starved, exhausted, hurt, incapacitated, suffering. A few years ago, the United Nations estimated that there are 500,000 disabled orphans in Afghanistan -- a country with no economy, no food. There are millions of widows. And the Taliban has been burying these widows alive in mass graves. The soil is littered with land mines, the farms were all destroyed by the Soviets. These are a few of the reasons why the Afghan people have not overthrown the Taliban.

We come now to the question of bombing Afghanistan back to the Stone Age. Trouble is, that's been done. The Soviets took care of it already. Make the Afghans suffer? They're already suffering. Level their houses? Done. Turn their schools into piles of rubble? Done. Eradicate their hospitals? Done. Destroy their infrastructure? Cut them off from medicine and healthcare? Too late. Someone already did all that. New bombs would only stir the rubble of earlier bombs. Would they at least get the Taliban? Not likely. In today's Afghanistan, only the Taliban eat, only they have the means to move around. They'd slip away and hide. Maybe the bombs would get some of those disabled orphans; they don't move too fast, they don't even have wheelchairs. But flying over Kabul and dropping bombs wouldn't really be a strike against the criminals who did this horrific thing. Actually it would only be making common cause with the Taliban -- by raping once again the people they've been raping all this time.

So what else is there? What can be done, then? Let me now speak with true fear and trembling. The only way to get Bin Laden is to go in there with ground troops. When people speak of "having the belly to do what needs to be done" they're thinking in terms of having the belly to kill as many as needed. Having the belly to overcome any moral qualms about killing innocent people. Let's pull our heads out of the sand. What's actually on the table is Americans dying. And not just because some Americans would die fighting their way through Afghanistan to Bin Laden's hideout. It's much bigger than that, folks. Because to get any troops to Afghanistan, we'd have to go through Pakistan. Would they let us? Not likely. The conquest of Pakistan would have to be first. Will other Muslim nations just stand by? You see where I'm going. We're flirting with a world war between Islam and the West.

And guess what: That's bin Laden's program. That's exactly what he wants. That's why he did this. Read his speeches and statements. It's all right there. He really believes Islam would beat the West. It might seem ridiculous, but he figures if he can polarize the world into Islam and the West, he's got a billion soldiers. If the West wreaks a holocaust in those lands, that's a billion people with nothing left to lose; that's even better from Bin Laden's point of view. He's probably wrong -- in the end the West would win, whatever that would mean -- but the war would last for years and millions would die, not just theirs but ours.

Who has the belly for that? Bin Laden does. Anyone else?

salon.com

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About the writer Tamim Ansary is a writer in San Francisco, and the son of a former Afghani politician.


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It's a day old, but I didn't find it in any searches.

And please, don't even bother to reply if your only comments will be 'this is war, kill all the Afghans, kill the Arabs, yadda yadda...'

1 posted on 09/15/2001 8:09:42 PM PDT by MitchellC
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To: MitchellC
Well, if we can't bomb `em to the stone age, bomb them to the Mezazoic!

Kidding aside, extripation of the Taliban (unless they give full compliance) and all other terrosit using regimes must be our prioity. It's tragic that the Afghani people are in the way, but we must perform this regrettable task.

2 posted on 09/15/2001 8:14:14 PM PDT by JAWs
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To: MitchellC
thanks for the post. i doubt more than 7 people will really read it, but ya done good.
3 posted on 09/15/2001 8:15:12 PM PDT by AntiTyrant
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To: MitchellC
This is a good article by a good writer. It certainly does present the facts...........if anyone cares to here them.

President Bush has some really tough decisions to make. God be with him.

4 posted on 09/15/2001 8:15:16 PM PDT by Bekki4Bush
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To: MitchellC
No reply..............
5 posted on 09/15/2001 8:16:31 PM PDT by Luke FReeman
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To: JAWs
i love how most freepers suppose that we must kill huge amounts of civilians, as if there's no other way. pathetic, lazy, sad, and insanely hypocritical.
6 posted on 09/15/2001 8:17:00 PM PDT by AntiTyrant
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To: AntiTyrant
It's called realism.
8 posted on 09/15/2001 8:18:55 PM PDT by JAWs
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To: MitchellC
It might seem ridiculous, but he figures if he can polarize the world into Islam and the West, he's got a billion soldiers.

Sounds like a target-rich environment.

9 posted on 09/15/2001 8:20:05 PM PDT by TruthShallSetYouFree
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To: MitchellC
excellent - bump bump bump.
10 posted on 09/15/2001 8:20:05 PM PDT by ThePythonicCow
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To: Bekki4Bush
Forget Afghanistan. Forget Iraq. Forget Pakistan. If you want bin laden, TAKE SAUDI.

The reason he wages war against us is because of what he views as our "desecration" of the land of the holy places (Saudi)during Desert Storm. Taking Saudi by force would utterly gut his perverted sense of Islam. Occupy Saudi- he will show his evil face, and will be ours.

11 posted on 09/15/2001 8:21:47 PM PDT by ArmoredCav
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To: JAWs
It's called realism.
the tendency to proclaim your desired outcome as realism is called delusion. there's more than one way to skin a cat. the 90% freeper way will be a waste in more ways than one. oh, it also happens to be the most convenient -- not usually a trait of 'realism'.
12 posted on 09/15/2001 8:22:15 PM PDT by AntiTyrant
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To: MitchellC
good afghani's can provide intel to us and risk their lives taking out their trash along with us.
13 posted on 09/15/2001 8:24:42 PM PDT by Anonymous2
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To: MitchellC
The Taliban are gone. Does anyone even think that these reptiles are still at home?
14 posted on 09/15/2001 8:25:53 PM PDT by Mr.E
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To: MitchellC
But you can start a new world war, and that's exactly what Osama bin Laden wants.

You just don't get it. We don't care what you think or what any pansy assed antityrant thinks ... ww3 or not ... we are coming to get you. No if's, no butts, no ways out ... your dead ... after that we will deal with the other anti-Americans on OUR soil.

15 posted on 09/15/2001 8:26:58 PM PDT by clamper1797
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To: innocentbystander
No need for us to invade Pakistan. Turn India loose on them. They want them as bad as we do, if not worse.
16 posted on 09/15/2001 8:27:50 PM PDT by BnBlFlag
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To: MitchellC
Hyphinated half Americans can kiss my American Butt.
17 posted on 09/15/2001 8:29:47 PM PDT by JoeSixPack1
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To: AntiTyrant
there's more than one way to skin a cat.

How many lives (bombings), does your cat (Bin Laden) have left?

Enough is enough. The line(s), has(have) been crossed too many times.

18 posted on 09/15/2001 8:32:57 PM PDT by Luke FReeman
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To: clamper1797
You just don't get it. We don't care what you think or what any pansy assed antityrant thinks ... ww3 or not ... we are coming to get you. No if's, no butts, no ways out ... your dead ... after that we will deal with the other anti-Americans on OUR soil.

"We are coming to get you." Wow. I'm surprised you're not one of Bush's top advisors on the matter with that kind of clear, precise thinking.

19 posted on 09/15/2001 8:34:20 PM PDT by MitchellC
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To: MitchellC
When people speak of "having the belly to do what needs to be done" they're thinking in terms of having the belly to kill as many as needed. Having the belly to overcome any moral qualms about killing innocent people.

No problem.

Let's pull our heads out of the sand. What's actually on the table is Americans dying.

Which is why we use our strengths, and avoid the problem of getting Americans killed. And our strength is....superior weaponry. Since you don't want me to discuss bombing them, I'll suggest dispersing radioactive Strontium90 over the area. It lasts awhile, and replaces Calcium in the bones. All that radioactivity within causes cancer and other neat things. But please notice that I never suggested bombing them.

20 posted on 09/15/2001 8:34:23 PM PDT by neutrino (neutrino)
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