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Meet Our New Best Friends: The Afghans
Slate.msn.com ^ | Sunday, Sept. 16, 2001, at 6:36 a.m. PT | Anne Applebaum

Posted on 9/16/2001, 9:28:15 PM by JameRetief

"Aye we have found him, the fair young face
Turned to the pitiless Afghan skies
The frost bound earth for a resting place
Dead--with the horror of death in his eyes."

Those lines were written in 1879 by an Englishman then serving in Kabul. Like a thousand other similar quotations, it expresses more eloquently than mere historical narrative the fate of the foreigners--Russian, British, Persian--who have tried to invade Afghanistan. The very name given to the mountains of Afghanistan--the Hindu Kush--means "killer of the Hindus." Nor do we have to stretch our memories back very far to remember one of the more spectacular failed invasions of that country. The Soviet troops pulling out of Afghanistan in 1989, a mere 12 years ago, heralded the collapse of one of the world's superpowers, as it then was. Afghanistan wasn't just the Soviet Union's Vietnam, it was the Soviet Union's coup de grâce.

But Afghanistan is not difficult to invade merely because it is remote. Afghanistan is difficult to invade because its geography makes it almost impossible to control, even using modern methods of warfare. The high mountains and narrow river valleys are laced with underground tunnels, which partisans of various kinds have been using for generations. Satellite photographs, heat-seeking missiles are all useless in this sort of terrain. So, for that matter, are tanks. Bombing cities to terrorize the population wouldn't do much good either: The cities, such as they are, hardly have any infrastructure to destroy, and the population is numbed to terror. The only kind of anti-terrorist operation that would have any chance of success in Afghanistan is a commando operation, led by the people who know the terrain best: the Afghans themselves.

As no one much noticed in recent years, there is an opposition to the Taliban. It is called the Northern Alliance and, not coincidentally, its leader was murdered a few days ago. On the eve of the attacks on the World Trade Center and the Pentagon, another, far less spectacular suicide bomb--placed by two Arabs posing as journalists--killed Ahmed Shah Masud, a popular leader and a moderate Muslim, who has led the Alliance ever since his famous victories over the Red Army during the 1980s. Masud had visited Europe last spring, in the company of his foreign minister. Both of them impressed journalists (myself included) and politicians alike. They were modest in their demands, asking for humanitarian aid, not military backing.

They also made it clear that they would very much like the United States to shift its attitude in the region, from one of complete neutrality to at least mild favoritism of the anti-Taliban forces. Bush was apparently considering this but hadn't gotten around to it. Despite the attacks on U.S. embassies in Africa, Clinton, for eight years, never considered it at all. This may someday be remembered as the single greatest foreign policy failure of his administration, which preferred to turn over the whole region to the Pakistanis, who have backed the Taliban all along. Now Masud is dead, probably murdered in anticipation of the terrorist attack: Bin Laden understood better than the Americans that Masud would have been America's best weapon, having operated in precisely the region that Bin Laden's terrorists now occupy.

There are, however, other leaders. Most notable among them is Ismael Khan, the mujahideen general who ruled Herat for a couple of years after the Soviet withdrawal. While he was in power, 45,000 children actually went to school in the city--half of them girls. When the Taliban later recaptured Herat, they shut down the schools and forbade girls from studying, even at home. Since then, Ismael Khan has been variously in Taliban jails (he escaped) and in Iranian exile, but he is now said to be back in the northern part of the country, leading the resistance. Farther to the south is Haji Kadir, the former governor of Jellalabad, who made the mistake of trying to enforce peace and disarmed the local mujahideen after the Soviet withdrawal: He was then taken by surprise when the Taliban attacked. He is a Pashtun, an ethnicity he shares with many of the Taliban leaders, and is currently leading the anti-Taliban resistance in Pashtun territory.

But while picking one or two Afghans to befriend may help us win one or two battles, even that won't win the war. It is no less imperative that we in the West strengthen our relationships with moderate Muslims all over the world: In Egypt and Turkey, in Morocco and Indonesia, among the Iraqi opposition, among Iranian students. Our response to last week's attacks must not begin and end with the destruction of Osama Bin Laden's camps, if we can even find them. This is also an ideological and cultural war, one which may take years, if not generations, to win. We may destroy Bin Laden--but what about his sons and grandsons?  

No permanent solution can be created by finding a few of "our bastards" to set against "their bastards" either. Pro-Western Muslims, or rather Muslims who are interested in creating liberal, tolerant, Islamic societies, are our only legitimate allies in this struggle. Not only are they just as deeply opposed to fundamentalism as we are, they are much better equipped to compete against it, as they can offer a counterexample: a way to live a good Islamic life in the modern world. Both the military and the political means we use to fight against Islamic fundamentalist terrorism must be subtler than ever before, certainly subtler than they were during the Clinton administration. A few cruise missiles hitting a few dubious targets isn't going to fix anything for long.

Reading list: Anyone who really wants to know more about the origins of the Taliban and the Northern Alliance should read Ahmed Rashid's Taliban, published by I.B. Tauris in 2000.


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I did a search, and didn't see this posted. If it has been previously, my apologies.
1 posted on 9/16/2001, 9:28:15 PM by JameRetief
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To: JameRetief
An excellent post. This is clearly the track we must take. It is far better to have Afganistan in the hands of freindly Afgans, than to have it in the hands of an American occupying army. Many, if not most Muslims are horrified by the WTC attack. These people are potential allies, and must be courted as such. This pragmatic and humane policy will save enourmous numbers of innocent lives, both American, and others.
2 posted on 9/16/2001, 9:41:03 PM by marktwain
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To: JameRetief
The "rebels" in the north are an asset.

These people are so desprate to rid the land of taliban they'd welcome the devil himself - if he'd carry them off to hell.

I suspect help has arrived.

3 posted on 9/16/2001, 9:48:31 PM by martian_22
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To: JameRetief
Bill Clinton as was JFK and Lyndon Johnson before him, a man with limited intelligence. Bush is very bright and knows how to use his intelligence to win.

JFK devised the strategy useing the whiz kids from Ford Motor Company called measured response. Having underperformed General motors the ford boys underperformed Vietnam. Their strategy was to use just enough force. The problem was they did not have a clue as what was enough force to make the other side surrender. They did figure out how the misuse of force requires us to surrender.

Bush Sr. Bush Jr and many on their staff understand what enough force is. Eisenhower understood what enough force was. US Grant understood what enough force is.

Enough force is that amount of force that ensures the complete destrution of your enemy. It is enough force so the enemies only options are total destruction or surrender.

That is the doctrine we used in WWII. Eisenhower resisted the demands of Churhill to attack before we had enough force to ensure victory. Churchill pleaded with Roosevelt to demand we attack. Stalin tried to taunt Roosevelt into ordering Eisenhower to attack. But Ike refused until we had the forces and materials it would take to win total victory.

Said another way, it took us a little over 8 months to win World War II in 3.3years. It took 2.5 years to getready for D day in World War II.

Bush will build our weapons and force unitl he is assured of victory. Then we will attack and win.

We will not attack when we don't have enough forces committed to win. Many nations have tried to win with too little force in the past. The United States did so in Korea and Vietnam.

The adults are in control now. There is no question of victory, the only qusestion is when. It may take us a year to win a war in 4 days. But that is what is likely to happen.

4 posted on 9/16/2001, 9:54:55 PM by Common Tator
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To: JameRetief
Clearly, this most horrific attack on the USA is one of clinton's poison pills he left for President GWB, and the American people. There are yet more poison pills to come.
5 posted on 9/16/2001, 10:08:27 PM by desertcry
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To: JameRetief
BTTT
6 posted on 9/16/2001, 10:19:34 PM by rightofrush
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To: JameRetief
Expect more of this "the Afghani's are awesome fighters" drumbeat. And certainly, it would be advisable to enter this fray with both eyes open. But Russia's war of conquest really doesn't compare to our mass arrest of the burrowing rodents under Bin Laden. We can do this thing, provided we know exactly WHAT we're doing, and HOW we're going to prosecute it. This ain't Vietnam, Geo Bush ain't Robert MacNamara or LBJ, and Osama ain't Uncle Ho.
7 posted on 9/16/2001, 10:23:26 PM by IronJack
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To: JameRetief
Where is our Retief when we need him...the Taliban sound like they're much worse than the Groachi....
8 posted on 9/16/2001, 10:27:48 PM by maro
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To: bang_list
Farther to the south is Haji Kadir, the former governor of Jellalabad, who made the mistake of trying to enforce peace and disarmed the local mujahideen after the Soviet withdrawal: He was then taken by surprise when the Taliban attacked.
9 posted on 9/16/2001, 10:36:43 PM by A.J.Armitage
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To: JameRetief
Afghanistan wasn't just the Soviet Union's Vietnam, it was the Soviet Union's coup de grâce.

What a crock of Shiete crap. Yes Russia lost 15,000 men in 10 years (far less then the US in Vietnam) and killed 3 million of the silly buggers (the same amount as the US in Vietnam)...get this, that's 1 in 8 Afghans turned to fertilizer...can't be won? Bull...yes it will be hard, but with the right amount of grunts, bombs and nerve gas for the bunkers....oh Allah, your halls in hell will definitly be full.

10 posted on 9/16/2001, 10:54:50 PM by Stavka2
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To: IronJack
Arrest? First Russia didn't try to conquer the Afghans but to passify them, since they were sending body waves of Jihaders every year into Russia....for a time it gave them something else to worry about. Then came along the Taliban...who weren't much until Klinton helped put them in power so that he could have a stable regime to run an other oil pipe line from the Caspian. Secondly, who are you going to arrest? Get serious for once, this is a war of attrition upon an enemy who isn't afraid of the boys in blue, but will blow themselves up with him. This has to be prosecuted with extreme prejudice.
11 posted on 9/16/2001, 10:57:51 PM by Stavka2
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To: Common Tator
Just to add to your great post, it took us from August until February to get ready for the Gulf War, which then took 100 hours (but, of course, should have gone on longer).

I still don't understand why the Russians lost? Was it their overrated military? Was it the enemy blending in with non-combatants in the cities? I feel pretty safe in assuming that Russia in the 80s and 90s didn't have the military capabilities which we possess today.

Anyone know?

12 posted on 9/16/2001, 11:00:46 PM by GreatOne
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To: Stavka2
Arrest? First Russia didn't try to conquer the Afghans but to passify them, since they were sending body waves of Jihaders every year into Russia....for a time it gave them something else to worry about.

Yeah, it gave the Russians something else to worry about. Like how many more body bags they were going to need. If you're trying to imply that the Russian disaster in Afghanistan was some sort of diversion, then you must have been helping yourself to a few poppies.

Then came along the Taliban...who weren't much until Klinton helped put them in power so that he could have a stable regime to run an other oil pipe line from the Caspian.

Much as I'd love to blame all this on Clinton, I don't know how much he contributed to the Taliban. As I understand it, the Taliban emerged from the mujahedeen "freedom fighters" that Carter and Reagan equipped in a Cold War proxy action. Clinton may have been diddling interns when the Taliban was consolidating its power, but I don't think he created the monster.

Secondly, who are you going to arrest? Get serious for once, this is a war of attrition upon an enemy who isn't afraid of the boys in blue,

I was using the term MASS ARREST facetiously, since the ostensible purpose of this military action will be to "bring Bin Laden to justice." But "arrests" take a lot of different forms. As to whom I would arrest, let's start with Ben Laden, the Taliban, the generals in the laughable Afghani army, the chiefs of the oppressive Taliban machine, and the principal suppliers of comfort to these goons. And then we'll move on down the food chain.

but will blow themselves up with him.

Fewer for us to kill.

This has to be prosecuted with extreme prejudice.

"Extreme prejudice" in military parlance means "dead." On this point, we concur.

13 posted on 9/16/2001, 11:23:42 PM by IronJack
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To: maro
the Taliban sound like they're much worse than the Groachi....

Hmmm, lets see how the annals of the Corps Diplomatique Terrestrienne recorded the Groaci warmongers...

Grand Commander of Avenging Flotillas Slith: "To identify yourselves at once, rash interlopers!" a weak voice hissed in sibilant Groaci. "To be gone instanter or suffer dire consequences!"

"I suggest you reconsider, Commander," Retief said. "At the first shot from your guns, three will get you five the Slox open up on you with everything they've got"

"What matter!" Slith hissed. "Let the miscreants invoke the full wrath of outraged Groacihood!"

"At a rough count, they have thirty-one ships to your twenty-four, Retief pointed out. "I think they've got you outwrathed."

Jame Retief of the CDT
"Sometimes quiet diplomacy just doesn't work"

14 posted on 9/16/2001, 11:26:39 PM by JameRetief
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To: IronJack
Much as I'd love to blame all this on Clinton, I don't know how much he contributed to the Taliban. As I understand it, the Taliban emerged from the mujahedeen "freedom fighters" that Carter and Reagan equipped in a Cold War proxy action. Clinton may have been diddling interns when the Taliban was consolidating its power, but I don't think he created the monster.

The Taliban sat out the war with the Soviets in Pakistan, emerging only after the Soviet withdrawl.

15 posted on 9/16/2001, 11:30:46 PM by NeonKnight
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To: Travis McGee
FYI
16 posted on 9/16/2001, 11:44:02 PM by pocat
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To: martian_22
Luke 22:36 (KJV) --Then said he unto them, But now, he that hath a purse, let him take it, and likewise his scrip: and he that hath no sword, let him sell his garment, and buy one.

Got sword? (M1 Garand ==>CMP)

No mercy, no quarter!
May the jihadists burn in hell for eternity!
Help speed them on their way!

Molon Labe!

17 posted on 9/17/2001, 5:49:56 AM by TERMINATTOR
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To: JameRetief
Nice. Bookmark and bump.
18 posted on 9/17/2001, 5:53:41 AM by BunnySlippers
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To: AGaviator,lent,nunya bidness,JeepInMazar,patent,Twodees
More faction background.
19 posted on 9/17/2001, 5:59:33 AM by Travis McGee
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To: Stavka2
Yes Russia lost 15,000 men in 10 years

Puh-leeze. Those are Soviet statistics. They probably lost that many to food poisoning, hazing, fratricide, and various diseases, not even counting combat.

20 posted on 9/17/2001, 7:15:57 AM by AGAviator
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