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SAS geared up for attack on bin Laden
the times ^ | 9/16 | MICHAEL EVANS

Posted on 09/16/2001 4:49:51 PM PDT by oxi-nato

THE SAS is expected to play a leading role in any future ground action in Afghanistan because of its unique experience training with Pakistani forces in the mountains bordering the country harbouring Osama bin Laden. A special unit of the SAS called the Revolutionary World Warfare (RWW) wing has been engaged in mountain training in Pakistan for at least five years. It has built up the sort of expertise that will be crucial in any US-led ground attack to capture or eliminate bin Laden, named as the chief suspect in the New York and Washington attacks, in the harsh terrain of southern Afghanistan, where he runs his terrorist training camps.

It has also trained at altitudes of up to 18,000ft and developed excellent working relations with Pakistani special forces. That may also help towards encouraging Islamabad to offer bases to America for a future ground campaign in Afghanistan. The RWW unit was first into Kosovo at the end of Nato’s bombing campaign against Yugoslavia in 1999 and is likely to be among the first to enter Afghanistan if President Bush goes ahead with some form of ground attack.

There is already a large SAS force in Oman, preparing to take part in Exercise Saif Sareea with Omani troops. The whole of A Squadron of the SAS has been sent to Oman for the exercise. Acclimatisation training has already begun and the presence of 20,000 British tri-Service military personnel in the Gulf is helping planners in Britain in their work.

The US Administration has made clear that any military action to counter the threat from bin Laden’s al-Qaeda terrorist organisation will include ground troops and could involve attacks on more than just Afghanistan, if other countries are seen to be harbouring the Saudi dissident’s agents. Iraq is not at present on the list. Richard Cheney, the US Vice-President, and Colin Powell, the Secretary of State, said yesterday that there was as yet no evidence linking the terrorist attacks on the World Trade Centre and the Pentagon to Baghdad.

As a further sign of Britain’s expected participation in any military operation, the Joint Force Headquarters, which runs British tri-Service missions, has been ordered not to go to Oman to take charge of Exercise Saif Sareea. In another move, Lieutenant-General Sir Anthony Pigott, Assistant Chief of the Defence Staff (Operations), leaves for Washington today to consult the Pentagon over what Britain can offer for a future military operation.

In the Gulf, the American aircraft carrier USS Enterprise will be joined this week by a second carrier battle group, headed by the aircraft carrier USS Vinson, providing President Bush with formidable firepower, including many Tomahawk cruise missiles. Although Donald Rumsfeld, the US Defence Secretary, has made clear that America is not planning to limit a future attack to using Tomahawks or other precision-guided missiles, any sudden intelligence of bin Laden’s whereabouts could lead to a decision for an instant missile attack. A ground-launched operation is likely to take weeks to prepare and will need bases close to Afghanistan. Tajikistan, which borders Afghanistan, cast doubt on whether Mr Bush could rely on its bases for launching a military attack.

Mr Rumsfeld said that American special forces would be in the forefront of any military operation. They include the US Army’s Green Berets, who were modelled on the SAS. When the US struck back at the terrorist networks behind last week’s attacks, “a lot of it will be special operations”, Mr Rumsfeld said. The US has 40,000 special forces personnel, who come under the Special Operations Command. Other units likely to be used are the Rangers, who had a disastrous campaign in Somalia when 18 were killed while trying to capture a Somali warlord.


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1 posted on 09/16/2001 4:49:51 PM PDT by oxi-nato
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To: oxi-nato
The SAS are MEAN mothers!

They are competent beyond belief.

2 posted on 09/16/2001 4:53:39 PM PDT by FReethesheeples
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To: oxi-nato
SAS = "Special Air Services". I think they are analogous to the U.S. "Green Berets".

This might be a great time for Britain to "get their own back" after the humiliation at the Khyber Pass over a century ago.

3 posted on 09/16/2001 4:54:51 PM PDT by Illbay
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To: oxi-nato
Is anyone else's stomach churning at the sight of the words "Tomahawk cruise missiles"?

Haven't we learned enough about the pseudo-value of spectacular fireworks vs. actually destroying the enemy?

4 posted on 09/16/2001 4:56:22 PM PDT by Illbay
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To: Illbay
I think they are analogous to the U.S. "Green Berets".

Not quite. Delta was originally modelled on the SAS and trained by some of them.
But there are no peers for the SAS.

5 posted on 09/16/2001 5:03:02 PM PDT by Eagle Eye
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To: Eagle Eye
But there are no peers for the SAS

Except, perhaps, the Second Amendment Sisters....

6 posted on 09/16/2001 5:09:23 PM PDT by patriciaruth
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To: Eagle Eye
In 1977 Colonel Charlie Beckworth was given the green light to form "Delta" as we call it. Being that this man had service experience with the British SAS. In written literature regarding this fact,it is said that selection and training was similiar,but I don't know if I would say that the Americans are really modeled after the SAS. Our group has a specialist role in counter-terror. Also this Col. relinquished command long ago,so who knows now.
7 posted on 09/16/2001 5:22:16 PM PDT by Sigarmed
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To: Sigarmed
I meant for my last post to be for Illbay.
8 posted on 09/16/2001 5:24:02 PM PDT by Sigarmed
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To: FReethesheeples
God Bless the Brits!

Wtih the French as allies ( and the germans, norwegians,...), you don't need any enemies.

The Prez did say something about "any country" providing support to terrorists, didn't he?

9 posted on 09/16/2001 5:39:41 PM PDT by Brewster
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To: Sigarmed
I think it would be safe to say that the roles of both organizations have evolved since 1977.
10 posted on 09/16/2001 5:51:20 PM PDT by Eagle Eye
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To: FReethesheeples Travis McGee Harpseal SLB
Let us not forget the Spetznaz who got handed their hat and run out on the first camel headed north when they went up against the Mujahdeen (sp?)........Spetznaz had no rules or ethics or Geneva Convention to abide by and they still got spanked.

As my 26 years in military service taught me, pretty uniforms and badges and titles don't mean squat to those who've never seen em .

They will hold all warriors accountable in combat. Do not underestimate these folks, as I'm sure the best of the best we possess will not either........

Just my opinion of course......Regards.

11 posted on 09/16/2001 6:07:32 PM PDT by Squantos
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To: Squantos,FReethesheeples, Travis McGee, Harpseal
Bump for an early morning reply.
12 posted on 09/16/2001 6:11:00 PM PDT by SLB
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To: Eagle Eye
I don't CARE who they are...just GET 'EM!
13 posted on 09/16/2001 6:11:22 PM PDT by bannie
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To: oxi-nato
The freedom fighters of Afganistan have been fighting the brutal Taleban and Osama bin Ladin for years with no support from anyone on earth. What people simply do not understand is that the US and Britain can land its Airborne Divisions and the the SAS safely in the freedom fighter held Panjshir Valley. There are protected airstrips to bring in whatever the US wants.

The US and SAS forces will be hailed as heros by the long suffering anti-Taleban forces.

From there a military drive south to Kabul, the pitiful capital of that tortured nation. The people of Kabul will be ecstatic at its liberation. You cannot imagine what the Taleban has been doing in the way of brutal repression.

Then a military drive further to the South, where bin Ladin himself has his camps, strongholds, and bases. Some (but not all) of the fanatics will put up a fierce fight before joining Allah.

But the war will not end in Afganistan.

There are probably hundreds of moles in the US who are waiting for the opportunity to commit mass murder, and obviously becoming increasingly sophisticated. The war will end where it began, in the US, when we as a nation decide to protect our borders and systematically root out the bloodthirsty sleeper fanatics.

14 posted on 09/16/2001 6:14:38 PM PDT by TheGoodDoc
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To: Squantos
I agree completely. To take them on in a ground war would be horrendous, but if you can get good intel (big if) and get in and out you can be effective against the terroist's training and infrastructure. Cutting off their money may be just as important.
15 posted on 09/16/2001 6:17:14 PM PDT by Glick & Burnett live on.
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To: oxi-nato,racebannon
A Special Ops bump!!
16 posted on 09/16/2001 6:20:29 PM PDT by Dutchy
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To: Glick & Burnett live on.
I had the good fortune (I think) to work with the Mujhideen in Desert Shield/Storm and I'd think twice about taking on anyone that is giving "them" a bad time on either side of the fence. Those men/boys are hard corp as I experienced em. And as you state, smarter not harder is best in this case IMHO. I'm sure specops planners will take the smart route otherwise shear overpowering numbers or explosive force is all that will suffice. Again, right or wrong just my opinion.....

Stay Safe

17 posted on 09/16/2001 6:25:38 PM PDT by Squantos
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To: Eagle Eye
"There are no peers to the SAS."

Old boy, you evidently have not been introduced to the SBS (Special Boat Squadron)of the Royal Marines.

18 posted on 09/16/2001 6:32:16 PM PDT by TEXASPROUD
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To: TheGoodDoc
Thanks for this cogent analysis. May I add that those who've been calling for "nuking" Afghanistan are ignorant fools. There is PLENTY of opportunity for us to go in there, rout out the baddies, scrag the Taliban and end up with a grateful Afghan nation which will then be a staging area for the next assault which will probably be on Iran.

I am reluctant to state categorically that Iran should be a target; they have been acting a lot more civilized in the last few years. But they have been the eye of the storm of Islamic extremism, and they too will have a large segment of their population eager and ready to have the extremists destroyed. (In fact, I suggest we put together a "political operations force" made up of Iranian-born Americans and second-generation Americans of Iranian descent, to move in and establish a "free Iran" government.

Iraq should either be next or contemporaneous with operations in Iran.

19 posted on 09/16/2001 7:24:42 PM PDT by Illbay
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To: TEXASPROUD
Royal Marines.

Soldier, and sailor too. Are they the ones that did the Birkenhead drill?

/john

20 posted on 09/16/2001 7:39:57 PM PDT by JRandomFreeper
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