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UAL, AMR Options Soared; U.S. Probes Pre-Attack Trading Surge
bloomberg.com ^
| 09/17 19:13
| Judy Mathewson and Michael Nol
Posted on 09/17/2001 7:01:11 PM PDT by Soren
Edited on 07/19/2004 2:08:33 PM PDT by Jim Robinson.
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Washington, Sept. 17 (Bloomberg) -- Trading skyrocketed in options that bet on a drop in UAL Corp. and AMR Corp. stock during the days before terrorists crashed hijacked United and American airlines jets into the World Trade Center and the Pentagon.
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posted on
09/17/2001 7:01:11 PM PDT
by
Soren
To: Soren
Very interesting, indeed...
2
posted on
09/17/2001 7:04:11 PM PDT
by
RCW2001
To: RCW2001
This also provides a means of monitoring terrorist activity. If the SEC can bust some high school kid in Jersey then surely they can track this down... if they really wanted to.
To: Soren
But now they must exercise (redeem) the option. You know we will be watching. If options not exercised by expiration date, they become worthless...
To: Soren
Excellent post - everyone needs to read this one.
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posted on
09/17/2001 7:09:03 PM PDT
by
neutrino
(Neutrino)
To: ArmoredCav
I would guess they cashed out already. They are probably operating through a front company.
6
posted on
09/17/2001 7:13:08 PM PDT
by
Soren
To: Soren
I have been thinking about this all day, especially in regard to whether the drop today might be affected by terrorist trading.....
To: Soren
bump
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posted on
09/17/2001 7:13:29 PM PDT
by
Osinski
To: Soren
FYI- The Division of Enforcement for the NYSE was in the WTC. I'm sure this will will please some insiders under investigation as well as cmake things somewhat tougher for the SEC.
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posted on
09/17/2001 7:16:27 PM PDT
by
newwahoo
To: Soren
Hillary's holding company bought those options no doubt... of course, it was just on a hunch from Arafat's wife in gaza... not a real "insider tip" or anything mind you.... just kidding, or... am I.
I wonder what did willie blow job clinton's portfolio look like in the last several weeks. And gorf too. What did they know and when did they know it.
10
posted on
09/17/2001 7:16:50 PM PDT
by
eccl1212
To: Miss Cleo is paging Nostradamus
So what were the similar heavy options trades today?
To: goodnesswins
I doubt the drop today had anything to do with terrorist trading. The thing with options is that they are very time sensitive. A huge jump in volume just before the bombing is pretty damning IMO.
12
posted on
09/17/2001 7:18:02 PM PDT
by
Soren
To: Soren
No, the trade will not settle, assuming the SEC is on the ball. They just lost their money (whatever it took to buy the options in the first place). This represents a connection to an idiot who knew too much. Hopefully he is still alive and can be coerced into telling all. Probably he is on the upper echelon of a cell organization, to know so much.
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posted on
09/17/2001 7:19:03 PM PDT
by
no-s
To: Soren
Maybe, but it is very hard to move a large number of options without setting off a few sensors, and they couldn't attempt to cash out until today.
To: no-s
How long do options take to settle? If they were traded on a European exchange, couldn't they have settled by now?
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posted on
09/17/2001 7:25:36 PM PDT
by
Soren
To: eccl1212
I wonder what did willie blow job clinton's portfolio look like in the last several weeks. And gorf too. What did they know and when did they know it. Do you have to practice being this stupid?
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posted on
09/17/2001 7:25:38 PM PDT
by
sinkspur
To: Soren
I can't remember when, but wasn't there a previous post about signaling from the windowns of the WTC? Something about gold-like light before the impact?
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posted on
09/17/2001 7:45:31 PM PDT
by
Leisler
To: Soren
Tracking the order flow is a piece of cake, even to offshore banks that could be using US brokers for the trades.It may lead to trust accounts, but depending on the jurisdiction, they can be cracked when the Treasury comes calling, and easily shut down.The trades also have to settle, and have to match, so the Option Clearing Corp can hold off on that.It won't be that easy to cut a cheque on these trades.
To: Soren
There isn't the liquidity on Euro Bourses for that size.Also, its next day settlement, and honestly, 1500 contracts really isn't a bigtime speculation.If it was something like 35,000 contracts, then that maybe different.It could be normal firm hedging going on.I've done that amount before, so its not alarming at all.
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