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US 'Lacks Knowledtge to Launch Land War'
Telegraph.Co.UK ^ | Sept 19, 2001 | Ahmed Rashid

Posted on 09/18/2001 9:28:48 PM PDT by AGAviator

AMERICAN military action against Afghanistan is unlikely to begin for another four to five weeks because of Washington's lack of knowledge and intelligence about the situation, Western sources said yesterday.

European diplomats with experience of the region are urging America to limit its military campaign and restrict the use of land forces to avoid getting them bogged down in Afghanistan.

"The US armed forces do not have a single soldier or officer who speaks Pushtu [the principal language of the Taliban]," said a senior Western military official.

"They will have to first hire hundreds of Pushtu speakers. That shows how much they lack on the ground for this upcoming battle in Afghanistan." Pushtu, or Pashto, is the language of the Pathans and of the Taliban, who come from southern Afghanistan.

Although the US army has people who speak Farsi, or Persian, is also extensively spoken in central and northern Afghanistan, bin Laden is hiding among Pushtu-speaking Afghans.

According to authoritative reports, before the current crisis the CIA had no agents on the ground inside Afghanistan, and the State Department has no high level contacts with the anti-Taliban forces in northern Afghanistan.

The lack of intelligence stems from Washington's decision effectively to ignore developments in Afghanistan from 1989 after Moscow withdrew its forces.

Its only major intelligence source is satellite imagery, which cannot clearly differentiate between Taliban and Arab fighters nor between fighters and civilians. America is expected therefore to rely on intelligence provided by Afghanistan's neighbours and other allies such as Britain which will take time to collate and evaluate.

The key to obtaining intelligence on Taliban and bin Laden troop movements and their whereabouts is the degree to which Pakistan's Inter-Services Intelligence, which has been the principal backer of the Taliban, will co-operate with the CIA.

President Pervaiz Musharraf of Pakistan has pledged full co-operation, but with the lack of trust between the ISI and the CIA, Pakistan may well limit what it passes over.

European governments closely allied to America are trying to influence decision-making in the Pentagon to make Washington aware of the dangers of sending large numbers of ground forces into Afghanistan.

"The danger is that Washington may be in an overkill mode, without realising the complexities of Afghanistan and the potential to destabilise the region," said a European diplomat.

European defence experts and military attaches hope that America does not attempt an invasion of Afghanistan. British and Soviet invasions were defeated by Afghan guerrilla fighters in the 19th and 20th centuries.

Instead America is hoping to establish military bases in Pakistan and Central Asia. From there, special forces could attack specific targets inside Afghanistan, eliminate their opponents and then return to their bases after a few days.

US forces in Pakistan would be based along the border with Afghanistan in Baluchistan and the North-West Frontier Province, which is just 15 minutes' flying time for troop-carrying helicopters to reach many of bin Laden's bases.

US special forces rather than satellite imagery would be used inside Afghanistan to guide aerial and missile strikes, the main American weapon to break up Taliban and Arab groups.

The bulk of the war effort is expected to be directed at four provinces in southern Afghanistan - Kandahar, Helmand, Herat and Uruzgun - where the Taliban leadership and bin Laden will try to hide.

"There will be absolutely no point in bombing the cities because they will be evacuated by the time the war starts and the cities are pretty much devastated already," said a European official.

"The US may also try to capture an airfield inside Afghanistan and use it as a bridgehead for attacks in the interior of the country. But securing an airfield will mean committing some 20,000 troops just to guard the outer perimeter, which is high risk."

At the same time America will have to enlist Afghans, and arm and fund them to go after the Taliban in the ravines and valleys of the mountainous and desert terrain.

In northern Afghanistan the anti-Taliban United Front has already pledged 15,000 fighters to the US-led alliance. If it is given American air cover, its forces could quickly capture the major cities in the north.

However, its forces have little presence in the Pathan belt in the south and it is here that the main war will be fought.


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1 posted on 09/18/2001 9:28:48 PM PDT by AGAviator
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To: Sawdring, Travis McGee, sneakypete, tonycavanaugh, Chapita, madrussian, RCW2001, jauntybeesting
FYI
2 posted on 09/18/2001 9:30:17 PM PDT by AGAviator
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To: AGAviator
In northern Afghanistan the anti-Taliban United Front has already pledged 15,000 fighters to the US-led alliance. If it is given American air cover, its forces could quickly capture the major cities in the north.

However, its forces have little presence in the Pathan belt in the south and it is here that the main war will be fought.

The "Northern Alliance" connection is wishful thinking for the part of Afghanistan where OBL followers will be.
3 posted on 09/18/2001 9:33:41 PM PDT by AGAviator
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4 posted on 09/18/2001 9:34:26 PM PDT by 2ndMostConservativeBrdMember
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To: AGAviator
"The US armed forces do not have a single soldier or officer who speaks Pushtu [the principal language of the Taliban]," said a senior Western military official.

So what- we don't have to talk, just fire!!

5 posted on 09/18/2001 9:35:55 PM PDT by mafree
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To: mafree
So what- we don't have to talk, just fire!!

Exactly!

You sure as hell don't need to be able to speak their language to line up one of the scumbags in your crosshairs.

6 posted on 09/18/2001 9:40:20 PM PDT by Mulder
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To: mafree
Almost all Afghans speak Dari anyays.
7 posted on 09/18/2001 9:43:05 PM PDT by rumrunner
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To: AGAviator
"..."The US armed forces do not have a single soldier or officer who speaks Pushtu [the principal language of the Taliban]," said a senior Western military official. ..."
I think THEY had better be learning some ENGLISH real soon!
Lesson # 1 INCOMING !
8 posted on 09/18/2001 9:46:03 PM PDT by error99
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To: Mulder
I guess you assume that everybody is a target, and it won't matter if they're trying to communicate some information to you, such as an ambush or a land mine in the area.
9 posted on 09/18/2001 9:49:14 PM PDT by AGAviator
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To: error99
I have just one question, if we have all of the loyal Muslim-Americans, why are they not represented in our armed forces? The American Japanese joined up in droves after Pearl Harbor. It would seem to me that their protestations of being good Americans do not extend to any type of service to their country.
10 posted on 09/18/2001 9:50:47 PM PDT by Texasforever
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To: AGAviator
Underestimating Bush again and the press is all worked up. Don't forget Bush is a Texas poker player.
11 posted on 09/18/2001 9:50:56 PM PDT by dalebert
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To: AGAviator
There is a big difference between us and them, We win the fight for our freedom and security, what do they go back to when they have won? the answer is.... to continue to be under the thumb of a religous finatic who kills the first person who crooses him.

We will make them look much like the feared Iraqi "Elite Republican Guard" = Girl Scouts, Lackies, Punks, slackers and cowards. The reason why the russians had so much trouble with these Afghan rebels is they have the same motivation...

12 posted on 09/18/2001 9:51:57 PM PDT by MJY1288
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To: AGAviator
bttt
13 posted on 09/18/2001 9:52:35 PM PDT by Travis McGee
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To: Sawdring, Travis McGee, harpseal
The lack of intelligence stems from Washington's decision effectively to ignore developments in Afghanistan from 1989 after Moscow withdrew its forces.

Amazing. This means that all US "intelligence" about Afghanistan is from journalists, or from foreign intelligence services with their own agendas to pursue. Heck, maybe even from the Internet.

14 posted on 09/18/2001 9:53:14 PM PDT by AGAviator
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To: AGAviator
bttt
15 posted on 09/18/2001 9:55:17 PM PDT by Chapita
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To: Texasforever
The problem is we can't stick our young men and women in pakistan a nation that itself can be on the verge of a civil war. Its another nation were the dictator has control of the capital but little of the rest of the nation.
16 posted on 09/18/2001 9:56:11 PM PDT by Libertarian_4_eva
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To: Texasforever
Fuel/Air bombs speak all afghani languages...
17 posted on 09/18/2001 10:00:23 PM PDT by unamused
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To: AGAviator
******************" guess you assume that everybody is a target, and it won't matter if they're trying to communicate some information to you, such as an ambush or a land mine in the area."*******************************************************************

I am sick of all the totally stupid remarks, such as "nuke 'em", and "kill them all"!

If there are many military leaders with this attitude, we are in for some very heavy casualties.

This isn't the time for emotional blustering!

18 posted on 09/18/2001 10:03:38 PM PDT by Chapita
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To: Mulder
You sure as hell don't need to be able to speak their language to line up one of the scumbags in your crosshairs.

The point is that, in the middle of nowhere, it sure helps a lot to be able to talk to the locals when you are looking for the bad guys.

The Soviets were successful in small unit commando raids on the Afghanis by finding local people who knew the whereabouts of this or that group of Afghani fighters, bribing a local to betray their location and then ambushing them.

19 posted on 09/18/2001 10:06:36 PM PDT by Polybius
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To: Texasforever
We were attacked by a vicious terrorist group. These terrorists are being supported by a relatively small segment of the Muslim community. Please do not condemn all members of a race or religion for the barbaric acts of a few. We are at war against the terrorist groups and the rogue government regimes that harbor them. With few exceptions, the rest of the world is allied with us against these groups, but we are not at war with an entire people or race or religion. We must rid the world of the scourge of terrorism, while continuing to respect and defend the rights and lives of the innocent.

Thanks,

Jim Robinson

20 posted on 09/18/2001 10:06:40 PM PDT by Storm Orphan
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