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Is Boston a City of Sissies?
Chuckmorse.com ^
| Sept. 21, 2001
| Chuck Morse
Posted on 09/21/2001 7:31:33 PM PDT by Chuckmorse
Is Boston a City of Sissies?
I note with chagrin that two of the passenger planes, hijacked by Islamic terrorists, came out of my hometown of Boston.
The hijacking of the planes, accomplished at the point of a pocketknife, caused the deaths of thousands of innocent people in the worst man caused disaster in American history.
Last weekend, five days after the catastrophe, a pilot on a United Airlines flight told his passengers how to stop a hijacking.
He said:
If anybody stands up and is trying to take over the plane, stand up together, take whatever you have and throw it at their heads, you have to aim for their faces so they have to defend themselves.
The pilot went on to suggest that passengers could throw blankets over the hijackers heads, wrestle them to the ground, and hold them until the plane landed.
In response to the pilots comments, the passengers applauded and wept.
The pilot described what would have been a natural response to such a crisis for people properly steeped in even basic notions of self-defense.
Such action would have most likely stopped the hijackers.
It is perhaps no coincidence that the hijackers chose Boston as their point of departure.
The terrorists probably viewed Boston, a sissified center of the liberal eastern seaboard establishment, a city that forgot its revolutionary heritage generations ago, as a point of least resistance.
Note that they didnt choose a southern or western city to hijack a plane; they probably figured that in that part of the country they would be more likely to encounter people who would instinctively know what to do.
I sadly include myself, a lifelong resident of Boston, as one of the products of this mentality.
Im afraid that I probably would have sat there like a petrified mouse if I were on that flight.
Like most Bostonians, my father, G-d bless him, never taught me how to defend myself and, as a result, I must admit, I probably couldnt pick my way out of a wet paper bag if I needed to.
Our society teaches us that the State takes care of defense, and, most Bostonians simply dont have a clue.
My purpose is not to denigrate the poor passengers on those flights, only to use what happened to them as a wake up call for the rest of us who were lucky enough to survive that day.
An example of a typical liberal Boston attitude toward self-defense was expressed by Rabbi Samuel Chiel, a resident of the cushy Boston suburb of Newton, in an editorial he wrote for Boston's Jewish Advocate entitled "Looking for a Few Good Resorts (8/99)."
Chiel wrote that he was shocked to encounter an organization called "Jews for the Preservation of Firearms Ownership."
He stated, with incredulity, that "Apparently, there are those (and Jews, yet) who think that guns mean safety.
Chiel was indignant over a statement by a David Nathanson, a visitor at the resort in question, a resort which teaches self-defense.
Chiel quotes Nathanson as saying regarding the resort and JPFO: What we share is a belief that an armed society is a safe society.
Chiel responds "All of these years I have thought that a safe society is one where people are concerned for each other and willing to work together to make their community a better place for all who live there".
Thundering with indignation, Chiel ends the article with a sanctimonious statement, typical for his ilk: I, for one, would rather spend my winters in a place where the community works to eliminate all guns except those belonging to the police."
Too bad so many Bostonians are imbued with the philosophy of the Chiels of this world.
It grieves me to point out that attitudes like those of Rabbi Chiel, and others in positions of influence and responsibility, lead to the phenomena of an immobilized planeload of able-bodied adults gliding to their deaths at the point of papercutters.
Chuck Morse www.chuckmorse.com
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posted on
09/21/2001 7:31:33 PM PDT
by
Chuckmorse
(chuckm@chuckmorse.com)
To: Chuckmorse
They may have been Bostonians, or visitors returning from Boston. Doesn't matter, people will remember what happened and won't just sit and be a good boy/girl next time... They'll have a hell of a fight if they try that idea again.
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posted on
09/21/2001 7:38:58 PM PDT
by
Who dat?
To: Chuckmorse
chuck--
either that or the boston passengers had already emptied the beverage cart and were passed out drunk by the time the hijackers acted!
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posted on
09/21/2001 7:42:46 PM PDT
by
Muckraker
To: Chuckmorse
Given that virtually all hijackings end with the hijackers releasing the hostages and giving up the response of the passengers was the only reasonable one. You seem to forget that this terror attack was completely new, and had not been seen or reported by anybody before.
In fact I think you are engaging a very bad case of a Monday morning quarterback. Calling the victims in the planes out of Boston sissies amounts to smearing the dead, and if I honestly told you what I think about this I would get banned. So let me leave it at this - why don't you visit your old city, go into any pub (Irish preferred) and repeat your statements from your article. And let's hope I am in the same pub. Sissieboy.
To: Chuckmorse
What a load of crap. First of all, I doubt the story about the pilot telling his passengers how to defend against terrorists. This just doesn't have the ring of truth. No pilot on any major airline is going to give passengers a pre-flight lecture on wrestling hijackers. Give me a break!
Secondly, Boston was not chosen because it was a city of sissies. You can find sissies today in any corner of America. Boston was chosen because of its lax security and also because of its proximity to the World Trade Center in New York. Flights were also hijacked out of New Jersey and Dulles Airport near D.C.
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To: Who dat?
The terrorists were lucky my best friend wasn't as flight attendant on their flights. She's losing her job now (TWA) but would and could knock down anyone with the element of suprise! Hello, can I get you a FIST cocktail? As a passenger, I've told Air Rage idiots to settle down before.. and would certainly dive at with a "full body slam" if someone was threatening my life. SCREW sitting there wondering if we'd make it.
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posted on
09/21/2001 7:48:28 PM PDT
by
nagdt
To: Chuckmorse
Kennedy has sure run for cover lately.Haven't heard a peep from the gun grabbing liberal know it all that really knows a lot about nothing except being spoon feed out on the Cape. We sure don't need anymore Kennedys to sissy us down to their own social engineering scheme.
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posted on
09/21/2001 7:51:57 PM PDT
by
taxtruth
To: Chuckmorse
"Is Boston a city of sissies?" - Is this really a question?
To: SamAdams76
Actually I think there are many sissies elsewhere. Harford connecticut always seemed to be full of sissies to me. And I think these people did the reasonable thing in light of previous experience. You get hijacked, go someplace exotic, end up released in the duty free and go home to be on tv. Who would have thought this would have happened? As soon as those guys who crashed in Pa. knew, they took action. Now the politically correct atmosphere in Boston may have made it easier for the hijackers to go unchallenged. Altho in the deep south we are so polite I cannot imagine being rude to someone who looked like a hijacker, but then again the gossip in a southern town is amazing, everyone in town knows everyone's business. When you think about it a large place with alot of anonymity is what the hijackers needed, a suburb with alot of townhouses where noone knows their neighbor.
To: SamAdams76, Chuckmorse
Thanks you, Mr. Adams. You wrote exactly what I was going to...I'd love to buy you a pint sometime, but I'd be ashamed to bring a FReeper into the liberal watering hole I frequent!
And to you, Mr. Morse, why don't you check out of here and off to one of your "tough guy" cities? Or better yet, go down to any Southie bar and spin them your "sissified Bostonians" story. Or Charlestown. Or Somerville. Or even much of JP, for that matter. Maybe they'll teach you some respect for the dead.
To: Chuckmorse
The hijackers had martial arts training. Their pics are posted. With the simple tools they did have, they could overcome most folks that travel on planes. I'd never call these victims sissys. Some people are N.G. at self defense.
I only call folks names and sound out meaningless intensives when they don't support my right to self defense. Including when they work to take it away, or vote for a grabber.
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posted on
09/21/2001 7:57:22 PM PDT
by
spunkets
To: Chuckmorse
I spent most of my adult life in the mountains of Arizona, building adobe homes, wrestling jack asses and knocking down trees. However I once broke down my truck in Berkeley, Ca. and after a few hours of frustration, I decided to get a whiskey. There are no real saloons in that part of California and after asking passersby where I could find a stiff drink and getting curious looks from them all, I finally decided to strike out on my own in search of a bar or at least a liquor store.
I found my way to the main street and was quite alarmed to see Soviet flags strung up on the overhead wires. I finally found a real fruity type place with plants and flowers all over the place and they only had wine.
Seemed like a whole passel of sissies in that town.
To: SamAdams76
See, it doesn't make sense because the last time I was at Logan, the guards had me open up a gift and all that was inside was a beanie baby. At least 4 people looked at the xray and said they couldn't tell what it was so I would have to open it. Lax?
To: Klytemnestras_lover
LOL! BUMP!
To: Chuckmorse
Lots of people walking around with Ph.D.s ... so the answer to your question is: Likely, YES.
To: Chuckmorse
The people who fought back were not leaving or going to western city. Frisco may have the right geograhy, but not the attitude you seem to admire. Newark is full of people from Manhattan who find it more convenient than JFK. How do you explain their actions. You'll also note that the pilots gave up their cockpits in the face of those pocket knives, and didn't Tom Wolfe tell us in the Right Stuff how those airline pilots like to affect the swagger and attitude of Chuck Yeager? I think you'll find that most people don't want to die and won't put themselves in the position to do so unless the circumstances are overwhelming and hope is all but gone. This was the case with the Newark flight, whose passengers knew of the WTC from cell phones. Death was their fate. Their choice was how. The others were never in that situation and so held to the hope of survival as I would and I think as you would as well.
To: Chuckmorse
No offense, but that is one of the biggest loads of crap I've ever read, for many reasons, unless you were trying to hide some satire in there.....
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posted on
09/21/2001 9:28:43 PM PDT
by
Nate505
To: Chuckmorse
I must admit, I probably couldnt pick my way out of a wet paper bag if I needed to. That would be especially true if it took any amount of thinking on your part to do it.
That you would take this opportunity to gratuitously impugne the courage of the victims of last week's tragedy demonstrates the complete lack of decency and common sense on your part.
Your inability to differentiate the circumstances between the passive response of the Boston passengers to what they could only assume to be an ordinary "we want money, or to go to Cuba" hijacking, and the aggressive and certainly courageous response of the passengers of the fourth flight hijacked that day, who had the benefit of being advised by cell phone calls that the other three hijacked planes had been used as guided missiles to attack major building structures evinces and extraordinary inability to think.
IF this is the best idea for an op-ed piece that you can come up with one week after America's worst terrorist attack, you should forever give up writing and do something to which you are more intellectually suited, such as serving slurpies in a 7-11 store.
I knew you were an idiot when you wrote your essay blathering about how the atom bomb was "tested" months before it actually was, and you've comfirmed the diagnosis with this inappropriate, ill-thought-out, and contemptuous screed.
Just because you are a flaming, cowardly moron gives you no right to project that onto the rest of the population of Boston and its surrounding environs.
To: Chuckmorse
A. Most of the folks on that plane were not Boston natives.
B. He may have a point regarding our Brookline, Newton, and Back Bay residents.
C. The folks in South Boston, the North End, Dorchester, Roxbury or the Swamp-Yankees sprinkled throughout the state don't fit the bill.
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posted on
09/21/2001 10:04:09 PM PDT
by
Norwell
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