The PBS documentary "Evolution" has generated a cultural debate that its producers expected.

Thesis--antithesis--synthesis. Sounds like the marxist dialetic is marching on.

Have not seen the series and don't intend to. Sounds like the usual dreck from PBS. Like their debate on conservatism: wrong or evil?

Love and peace.

Anyone seen the promotional spot for "Evolution" that's been running on CNN?

Asks "Why do we need men? Cloning is much more efficient." It's supposed to be cute.

You people are priceless. Ever see "The News Hour"? Only the finest news program on television, and the only unbiased one. "Nova"? A superlative science show, the one by which all others are judged. PBS is not the enemy. People who think all knowledge comes from a 2,000 year old book of fiction should perhaps not disparage others as being closed-minded and specious in their reasoning . Evolution and the formation of life on this planet are scientifically proven; Darwin can be questioned, but evolutionary science and basic zoology as a whole cannot.

I like the way you're thinking on this.

You "people" are pinheads

That "2,000 year old book of fiction " is in fact at least 3,000 years old and the oral tradition it represents reaches back into pre-history. No historic incident in the Bible has ever been proven wrong. Elements that 100 years ago were ascribed to myth have been shown, through archeological finds, to have been accurate all along. It is far and away the most accurate historical document on the face of the earth.

What about Noah's Flood you say? Every, ancient culture contains a Flood story, the Chinese, the Indian, the Mezo-American, the Egyptian, the Sumerian all contain Flood stories. Perhaps there is something to it.

As a christian I am not afraid of any scientific theory; they are all merely as playthings to the mind of God. Rather, it is the so-called materialists that are defensive about their theory and attempt to squelch all criticism.

Here's a clue-- Einstein turned the scientific world on its head nearly a century ago; rest assured another Einstein is waiting to do the same thing to your current "truth".

The Word of God, however, will remain unassailable.

``With these new discoveries the whale fossil record is now so complete,'' Hans Thewissen, of Northeastern Ohio Universities College of Medicine, said. ``It shows us so well how whales became aquatic that it is probably the best, or one of the best, examples of evolution where these major changes are documented with fossils.''

"Macro" evolution has been shown yet again. There is no intellectually honest person who can say otherwise. Creationists are liars, and ID-iots are looking for God in statistical noise.

Cows must have 'dumbed down' (or gotten smarter) since then. Now, when the water rises, they just go to higher ground.

Oh, maybe that's just USoA cows. The cows in Africa tend to be eaten by croc's if they linger in the water too long.

Oh wait: croc's evolved after cows; didn't they?

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I'll give the Protestants one thing: The idea that each of us has the capability to decide for ourselves what the Bible really means eventually led to political systems where different religions/philosophies have to compete fair & square in a free market of ideas.

 1.  Then Jesus told his disciples a parable to show them that they should always pray and not give up.
 2.  He said: "In a certain town there was a judge who neither feared God nor cared about men.
 3.  And there was a widow in that town who kept coming to him with the plea, `Grant me justice against my adversary.'
 4.  "For some time he refused. But finally he said to himself, `Even though I don't fear God or care about men,
 5.  yet because this widow keeps bothering me, I will see that she gets justice, so that she won't eventually wear me out with her coming!'"
 6.  And the Lord said, "Listen to what the unjust judge says.
 7.  And will not God bring about justice for his chosen ones, who cry out to him day and night? Will he keep putting them off?
 8.  I tell you, he will see that they get justice, and quickly. However, when the Son of Man comes, will he find faith on the earth?"

 9.  To some who were confident of their own righteousness and looked down on everybody else, Jesus told this parable:
 10.  "Two men went up to the temple to pray, one a Pharisee and the other a tax collector.
 11.  The Pharisee stood up and prayed about  himself: `God, I thank you that I am not like other men--robbers, evildoers, adulterers--or even like this tax collector.
 12.  I fast twice a week and give a tenth of all I get.'
 13.  "But the tax collector stood at a distance. He would not even look up to heaven, but beat his breast and said, `God, have mercy on me, a sinner.'
 14.  "I tell you that this man, rather than the other, went home justified before God. For everyone who exalts himself will be humbled, and he who humbles himself will be exalted."

I keep waiting for it to pop up again; as:"Let's get our loved ones back!"

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From all the bits and pieces (parts are parts!) that have been and are being removed daily from the rubble of WTC, there should be enough unused, frozen embryoes around to re-create copy each separate DNA that has been identified.

After all, in '98 alone, in NYC alone, 'Doctors' aborted over 98,000. Therefore the new folks ought to fit into the empty spaces left behind.

[In the light of THESE facts, just WHY are we, as a Nation, so upset over losing over 6k 'grown' people?]

"Christian students encounter the ... [sincerity-makes-it-true] reasoning on the college campus. If a classmate sincerely believes her unborn child is human, friends will call the child a 'baby' and congratulate her. But if she doesn't, they call it a 'fetus' and encourage her to have an abortion.

This is such an obvious fallacy.

Can we really make something true just by believing it? How about a concrete example?

If you sincerely believe your onion rings are french fries, do they become french fries? If you sincerely believe that you're a frog, do you become a frog? You might leap in the air, but you still will not be a frog. When it comes to concrete, familiar objects, no one falls for the sincerity myth. We all know there's an objective reality that exists on its own, despite what we may believe about it -- and no matter how sincere we are. If we accept the idea of objective truth when dealing with trivial questions, then logically we have to accept it when dealing with big questions about God and morality as well."

--Charles Colson

(more musings.....)

113 Posted on 09/25/2001 06:32:55 PDT by Phaedrus

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"It is absolutely safe to say that, if you meet somebody who claims not to believe in evolution,
that person is ignorant, stupid or insane (or wicked, but I'd rather not consider that)."
– Leading Darwinist Richard Dawkins

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Ok "C" folks: which category do YOU fall into?

I'm picking ignorant.
(because I can then be 'educated')

...not picking stupid.
(because then I can't be 'educated')

...not picking insane.
(because that would be nuts!)

...not picking wicked.
(because then I would be exposing the condition of my heart.)

114 Posted on 09/25/2001 06:34:07 PDT by Elsie

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Are there also categories for "Evolutionists"?

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Other than the two main ones:

"It happened so fast there is no record"

"It happened so slow, we haven't found all the record."

115 Posted on 09/25/2001 06:38:24 PDT by Elsie

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Ok, I understand. It's just a fact that we ALWAYS seem to manage to include in these threads.......

"The bad guys from history that 'C' beliefs formed......"

as well as.........

"The bad guys from history that 'E' beliefs formed."

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I just thought that THIS subject hasn't been discussed yet, in this context, as far as I know.

[Well, not VOCAL: perhaps 'keyboardical'. ]

117 Posted on 09/25/2001 06:47:49 PDT by Elsie

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To: Elsie

If she wants it, it is a 'baby'. If she doesn't it is a 'fetus'. That is all I need to know.

(and yes, even more!)the end, I promise........

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You make a good point Elsie. If humans are just made of matter and nothing else then we should be able to use the DNA of the dead to grow them back. Of course there is a lot more to life than a bunch of genes, a bunch of proteins.

I am as disgusted as you by the killing of over a million babies by folk who think that people are no better than monkeys, rats or cockroaches, however all life is precious and I am horrified by what happened some two weeks ago,

119 Posted on 09/25/2001 18:40:16 PDT by gore3000

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I pick (e)- Dawkings is an evolutionist slimer just like so many other evolutionists on these threads. Since so many of the evos here seem to have read him and cannot do anything but insult, one must conclude that there is no science in his books else they would use his proofs on these boards.

127 Posted on 09/25/2001 19:44:44 PDT by gore3000

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I pick (e)- Dawkings..........

E? What 'E'? There was no e! we were only given 4 to choose from.

Oh - wait a minute; I see. You mean there were MORE to choose from that WEREN'T listed?

AHA! you mean that maybe some of their OTHER arguments are formulated this way??

HMmmm.................

129 Posted on 09/25/2001 21:01:39 PDT by Elsie

 

... about that point of view.

Sharks are still sharks. They didn't turn into birds. Crocodiles are still the same basic crocodiles they were millions of years ago. They didn't turn into horses.

I guess I missed seeing that half-ape, half-human running naked through Africa on my last trip there. After all, evolution is a process, a continuous process that never stops. He MUST be there somewhere!!

Then again, my wife does seem to be turning into a beast of some kind!?

Look Pietro, the Bible is a behavior modification tool. For example, pigs carry disease, people who eat pigs get sick and die, hence it is necessary to keep people from eating pigs. How do you do that? Tell the people God forbids it! That was and is its societal purpose. Some of that behavior modification is certainly not bad or without value by any means. Telling people to love one another, thou shalt not kill, that's all very good. But the Bible itself isn't the source of wisdom or truth.

It's been a great series; kind of like "Cosmos" for biology. Last night they focused on creationist students who are studying evolution at college. The insights of these students were fascinating.

"But the Bible itself isn't the source of wisdom or truth..."

What do you consider to be the source of truth? Scientific observation and repeatable experiments?
(Be carefull how you answer that).

What do you consider to be the source of truth? Scientific observation and repeatable experiments?

Certainly not. Since scientific statements must always be conditioned with the possibility that they might change in the future based upon newly discovered evidence, nothing in science can be considered "the truth." Science only gives us the best explanations in light of current evidence. Science is always open to change, modification, alteration...certainly not the traditional attributes of "truth."

The realm of Truth lies with philosophy and religion, where evidence is not so important.

"Science is always open to change, modification, alteration..."

Then why is the Theory of Evolution considered inviolate, sacred ground and not open to speculation?
Why is anyone who questions this theory branded as an "idiot"?
If the rest of science is open to new theories and discoveries, why are the macro-evolutionists so closed minded on this one subject?

BikerNYC isn't talking about truth; they're talking about faith. The Bible isn't fact or truth. Burning bushes don't talk. People don't walk on water, or rise from the dead. Water cannot be turned into wine. Scientifically, realistically, the universe does not operate like that. The Bible is about believing regardless of proof. Evolution is a proven science. God is a difficult thing to believe in. I personally don't believe in God as much as I believe in the concept of God. Religion can be a comforting thing, albeit most often it is tragically misapplied. Ultimately, at the very least science has produced overwhelming amounts of raw scientic evidence to prove its theories. All religion can do is either say "because it's in the Bible" or "faith is all the proof you need".