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Laden's Students: Sears Tower in Chicago. "This one is mine," he says.
Laden's Students: Sears Tower in Chicago. "This one is mine," he says. ^ | 9/27/2001 | By Jack Kelley, USA TODAY

Posted on 09/28/2001 7:25:40 AM PDT by johnk

Even Mullah Mohammed Omar, the Taliban's leader, attended the school briefly before he left in the 1980s to fight the Soviets in Afghanistan.

"They are all our inspiration," Haq says. "And soon, we'll be fighting alongside them."

Tens of thousands of students at Pakistan's 6,000 militant Muslim madrassas say they plan to go to Afghanistan to fight U.S. soldiers, attack bases in Pakistan that may host American forces, or conduct suicide bomb attacks against U.S. targets if President Bush launches military action against bin Laden and the ruling Taliban militia in Afghanistan.

Bush has named bin Laden the prime suspect in the attacks in the USA and is expected by many here to be preparing retaliatory strikes at him and the Taliban, which has been harboring him for years. But the madrassa students say any U.S.-led strikes won't stop the terrorism.

"We are all Osama bin Ladens," says Abdullah Shah, 35, senior teacher at Dar-ul-Alloon Sarhad, a nearby madrassa. "Getting rid of one Osama won't solve your problems. Your trouble is just beginning."

Already, more than 2,000 students, some carrying the Koran, Islam's holy book, and AK-47 assault rifles, have crossed into Afghanistan within the last week, Pakistani officials say.

More are on their way. Hundreds of others, who have been fighting Indian forces, are withdrawing from the Pakistani side of the disputed Himalayan region of Kashmir. They also are heading for Afghanistan, Indian officials say.

Other madrassas, such as Haqquania here, are planning to shut down temporarily next week to allow their students to join the Taliban. Those who do go are being offered "extra credit."

"We give them the knowledge, the Taliban gives them the guns," Haq says. "I, and all my students, will support the Taliban and Osama at all costs. They are the only ones implementing true Islam."

Haq is believed to be one of bin Laden's closest friends in Pakistan, and Pakistani officials say he is a Taliban insider. He keeps three pictures atop his desk, and one in his wallet, all of which show him standing arm-in-arm with bin Laden. He says he uses a red "hotline" phone on his desk to call Taliban officials in the Afghan cities of Kabul and Kandahar.

"Osama and the Taliban are alive and well, thanks to God," Haq says.

He refuses to say when he last spoke with bin Laden and denies knowing where he is hiding. "Osama and the Taliban will not go lightly. They are preparing for a fight. That's where we come in."

USA TODAY was invited to spend a day at two of Pakistan's madrassas, one of them militant and the other moderate. The Islamic clerics who run the schools say they want to explain their anger to Americans before their jihad against the United States begins.

There are an estimated 40,000 madrassas in Pakistan, of which the government says 6,000 are militant. The madrassas, financed by wealthy businessmen in Pakistan, Saudi Arabia and other countries, offer the best chance for an education for Pakistan's poor. Most government-run schools are overcrowded and underfunded and require students to pay for some costs. The madrassas do not charge tuition.

The students, most of whom are from Pakistan and Afghanistan, spend up to 6 hours a day memorizing the Koran. Then, they spend 2-4 hours listening to lectures about the Koran and the Islamic prophet Mohammed. Their curriculum includes some mathematics and geography but little else. Critics say the schools are teaching intolerance.

"These schools are providing an education which is basically unchanged from the 11th century," says Islamic analyst Pervez Hoodboy. He says they produce "a student with a particular mindset, one who does not question and who can be easily motivated into fighting to the death."

Pakistani officials, while insisting that militant Muslims represent only 15% of Pakistan's 140 million people, fear that the actions of the madrassa students could destabilize the government, which is led by a man who took power in a military coup 2 years ago. Fearing an uprising mobilized by the madrassas, the government has not cracked down on the schools.

"The biggest danger for Pakistan is from young, disillusioned and angry Pakistanis, many of them poor and jobless, who may be driven to join the radicals in a jihad," says former Pakistani army chief of staff Mirza Aslam Baig. "Some of the madrassas are breeding grounds for this radicalism."

Lately, lectures on the Koran at Haqquania and the moderate Dar-ul-Alloon Sarhad madrassa have given way to heated discussions about impending U.S. military action. Students and faculty at the madrassas demand that the United States make public the evidence it has proving bin Laden's involvement in the terrorist attacks earlier this month in the USA.

"How can you convict someone without presenting evidence or witnesses against the alleged culprit?" asks Khalid Ahmad Banouri, chancellor at Dar-ul-Alloon Sarhad. Surrounded by more than a dozen other Muslim clerics, he sits on a large Oriental carpet in a courtyard of the school. "It makes many Muslims believe that, despite what President Bush says, this attack will be on Muslims and Islam itself."

The expected assault on Afghanistan is just the latest act by the United States, Banouri says. He says America has implemented a foreign policy based on hypocrisy and self-serving interests:

• He ridicules U.S. support for Israel, which he accuses of brutalizing Palestinians and illegally occupying the West Bank of the Jordan River.

• He blasts U.S.-backed economic sanctions on Iraq, which he says are causing thousands of Iraqi women and children to starve to death.

• He and others here also are furious that Pakistani President Pervez Musharraf has agreed to share intelligence on the whereabouts of bin Laden. And they are angry that Musharraf will allow U.S. fighters to fly through Pakistani airspace on their way to attack targets in Afghanistan.

At the Haqquania madrassa, a student who says he has just attended one of bin Laden's training camps pulls out a training manual, called the "encyclopedia," which U.S. officials say is used at the camps in Afghanistan. "Now listen, American, and listen well," says Hussain Zaeef, 21. He reads from Page 12 of the manual: " 'Bomb their embassies and vital economic centers.' That's what I will do to you and your country. I will get your children. I will get their playgrounds. I will get their schools, too. I will get all of you."

Tempers then flare. Several students begin yelling at once, pointing their fingers and gesturing wildly.

One yells out the name of Mohammed Atta, an alleged bin Laden associate believed to have hijacked one of the two jets that crashed into the World Trade Center. Another says he will "kill more than Atta."

A third student then unfolds a picture of the Sears Tower in Chicago. "This one is mine," he says.


NOTICE:

That's what I will do to you and your country. I will get your children. I will get their playgrounds. I will get their schools, too. I will get all of you."

Tempers then flare. Several students begin yelling at once, pointing their fingers and gesturing wildly.

One yells out the name of Mohammed Atta, an alleged bin Laden associate believed to have hijacked one of the two jets that crashed into the World Trade Center. Another says he will "kill more than Atta."

A third student then unfolds a picture of the Sears Tower in Chicago. "This one is mine," he says.

From the Quran

Violence is commanded:

"Fight and slay the pagans (infidels) wherever ye find them, and seize them, beleaguer them, and lie in wait for them in every stratagem of war." Quran, Sura 9:5

If Islam is resisted?
"Their punishment is...execution, or crucifixion, or the cutting off of hands and feet from the opposite sides, or exile from the land." Sura 5:33

Al Tawbah The Repentance): "Prophet, make war on unbelievers and hypocrites, and deal rigorously with them." Sura 9:73
Al Anfal (The Spoils): "Let not the unbelievers think they will ever get away... strike terror into the enemy of God and your enemy... rouse the faithful to arms! If they (the non-Muslims) incline to peace (accept Islam) make peace with them."
Sura 8:59
Al Maidah (The Table): "If they reject your judgment, know that it is Allah's wish to scourge them for their sins. Sura 5:49

The Quran is an amalgam of Hinduism, Buddhism, Mythraism, Greek mystery religions, as well as elements from Judaism and Christianity.

Link to Islam information... it's worth the read time...

1 Posted on 09/27/2001 11:55:52 PDT by johnk
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1 posted on 09/28/2001 7:25:41 AM PDT by johnk (jckinney_yahoo@yahoo.com)
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To: johnk
Link to on-line Game:


Bin-Laden liquor store SHOOTOUT!

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2 posted on 09/28/2001 7:28:31 AM PDT by ppaul
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To: johnk
Please search before you post. This is the third or fourth time for this one.
3 posted on 09/28/2001 7:35:46 AM PDT by denydenydeny
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To: johnk
In the rush to head off anti-Islamic and anti-Arab rhetoric, we have lost sight of the threat.

Make no mistake, if Muslims in the United States are a placid people, it is only because they are a minority.

As their numbers grow, so too will their boldness to openly express their hatred just as they do now in places like England where there are large Muslim "minority" communities.

Inclusion, tolerance, diversity and political correctness will be the demise of western, Christian civilization.

If not through war, then simply through attrition.

We are advancing our own distruction.

4 posted on 09/28/2001 7:37:53 AM PDT by SocialMeltdown
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To: johnk
Your breaking news was already posted yesterday.
5 posted on 09/28/2001 7:39:25 AM PDT by SMEDLEYBUTLER
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To: johnk
A sad article about a lost generation. They are no threat to us, of course; their education is rendering them completely unable to blend in with any western society where they might be able to do actual damage. They are fit only for being sent unarmed into Afghanistan to throw rocks at American troops.
6 posted on 09/28/2001 7:48:50 AM PDT by Physicist (sterner@sterner.hep.upenn.edu)
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To: johnk
I didn't see it yesterday. Thanks for the post.
7 posted on 09/28/2001 7:58:52 AM PDT by Reagan's_Mom
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To: Physicist
"They are no threat to us, of course; their education is rendering them completely unable to blend in with any western society where they might be able to do actual damage. They are fit only for being sent unarmed into Afghanistan to throw rocks at American troops."

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Did you forget the sarcasm alert?

They have no intention to fit into any Western society. They hide in ethnic enclaves, speak a language we don't understand and do immense damage, such as flying Amrican planes into American buildings, killing thousands, decimating our economy, setting us gainst each other and promising more of the same.

Rocks? Mega-kiloton cruise missles; car bombs and the chance of nukes.

8 posted on 09/28/2001 8:02:10 AM PDT by reformedliberal
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To: Physicist
Of course, unless we change the criteria for admission to this country, some may well be able to come here, and because of the ascendancy of multiculturalism and the proliferation of ethnic ghettos, they won't have to be able to "blend in."
9 posted on 09/28/2001 8:02:38 AM PDT by uscit
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To: SocialMeltdown
I understand what you are saying, see if TONYCAVANAUGH does.
10 posted on 09/28/2001 8:03:08 AM PDT by LandofLincoln
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To: John Robinson
Paging John Robinson...

Looks like all the bugs aren't out of the filter yet.

11 posted on 09/28/2001 8:09:04 AM PDT by jae471
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To: johnk
He blasts U.S.-backed economic sanctions on Iraq, which he says are causing thousands of Iraqi women and children to starve to death.

And he supports the Taliban, which doesn't allow women to work, forcing those families without a male relative to beg or starve to death.

Yeah, ok.

12 posted on 09/28/2001 8:14:06 AM PDT by agrace
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To: ppaul
Man, was that fun!!!!! :-) Deej
13 posted on 09/28/2001 8:24:02 AM PDT by DJ88
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To: SMEDLEYBUTLER
this thread has been lost in the business of yesterday, and it also created a spirit of patriotism and focus on the task that is a hand... that is what we "need"...

all these freelove liberals should loosen up the "turban" a little, let that blood flow to the brain... (or from the brain in "Bang Ladens" case....)


14 posted on 09/28/2001 8:29:36 AM PDT by johnk
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To: ppaul
Bump for later entertainment.
15 posted on 09/28/2001 8:30:42 AM PDT by fone
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To: johnk
• He blasts U.S.-backed economic sanctions on Iraq, which he says are causing thousands of Iraqi women and children to starve to death.

I don't understand why he is so angry about this business of economic sanctions. All that means is that we won't do business with them. If we are so bad and corrupt and all, I would think they wouldn't want to do business with us decadent Westerners anyway. In that context, I would wonder why these groups would be against sanctions at all. They should favor them, to avoid contact with "corrupting influences".

Or, could it be, just maybe, that they need the "infidel" after all, to support their infrastructure, feed their people, and improve their way of life? Seems to me you can't have it both ways. If these radical Islamicists want to build their idyllic paradises on Earth, let them do so on their own, and don't worry about economic sanctions from the West.

16 posted on 09/28/2001 8:34:16 AM PDT by chimera
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To: reformedliberal
They hide in ethnic enclaves, speak a language we don't understand and do immense damage, such as flying Amrican planes into American buildings, killing thousands,

Don't you realize that these things are mutually exclusive? The terrorists who hijacked the planes on 9/11 were educated men who spoke excellent English. They were able to move through Western society with ease, and that ease was absolutely necessary to the job they were assigned.

The boys in the article are merely barbarians. They won't be commandeering any American passenger jets, nor will they be designing any cruise missiles.

17 posted on 09/28/2001 8:35:04 AM PDT by Physicist (sterner@sterner.hep.upenn.edu)
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To: johnk
So will you repost every other thread that has been lost in the business of yesterday as breaking news when a bump would suffice, or are you just too lazy to search?
18 posted on 09/28/2001 8:39:18 AM PDT by SMEDLEYBUTLER
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To: Physicist
...let's get real....

2Cr 11:13 For such [are] false apostles, deceitful workers,

transforming themselves into the apostles of Christ.

2Cr 11:14 And no marvel; for Satan himself is

transformed into an angel of light.

2Cr 11:15 Therefore [it is] no great thing if his ministers also be transformed as the ministers of righteousness;

whose end shall be according to their works.

...get into the good book, it hasn't been wrong yet...

19 posted on 09/28/2001 8:49:31 AM PDT by johnk (... i seem to recall.....)
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To: SMEDLEYBUTLER
you post something and then BTTT... sometimes it vanishes to never never land in seconds.... relax...

it's not like i posted something irrelevant, like many of these posts... stop wasting bandwidth, do someting useful...

read post #7, that's the truth....

i have received email and this post expressing gratitude for the repost...

don't disrupt.. what is your problem anyways....

LET'S ROLL.....AMERICA IS TIRED OF THE GAMES... MUSHROOMS ANYONE....

20 posted on 09/28/2001 9:05:44 AM PDT by johnk
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