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Fight yes, number no
WorldNetDaily ^ | 10/01/2001 | Joseph Farah

Posted on 10/01/2001 12:49:21 PM PDT by sheltonmac

Fight yes, number no



By Joseph Farah


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It was predictable that, with the advent of the devastating terror attack on America, there would be moves by Washington to encroach on our unalienable rights.

I know this is war, so to speak (even though it hasn't been declared – which is more than a technicality), but Americans must not yield to the temptation in this crisis to give the federal government everything it demands without question.

The proposal to rush forward with a national identification number is one such proposal that should be rejected out of hand, unequivocally, without a second thought.

Perhaps we need some reminders why:

When Washington reviews and corrects some of its missteps of the past, then it might have a case to come to the American people for more authority, more power, more self-sacrifice.

Let's be realistic. The government is not very good at protecting us and our rights. It has an abysmal track record. The government does very little well and efficiently. One thing it can do, through military force, is to wreak havoc on enemies. That's where I am all for the federal government mobilizing maximum force and resources against the terrorists and their sponsors.

You'll find me waving the flag, paying my taxes eagerly and praising our elected leaders when those responsible for attacking Americans are dead, destroyed, vaporized, kaput. But, please, don't ask me to get behind the building of a police state in America. It won't work. It won't deter terrorism. It is counterproductive. It is wrong. It is immoral. It is unconstitutional.

Let's bring the war to the enemy – not victimize the American people, again, for what could accurately be characterized as a failure of government to perform its most vital mission: protecting its citizens.


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1 posted on 10/01/2001 12:49:21 PM PDT by sheltonmac
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2 posted on 10/01/2001 12:51:13 PM PDT by sheltonmac
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3 posted on 10/01/2001 12:51:44 PM PDT by sheltonmac
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4 posted on 10/01/2001 12:52:46 PM PDT by sheltonmac
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5 posted on 10/01/2001 12:53:19 PM PDT by sheltonmac
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6 posted on 10/01/2001 12:56:42 PM PDT by sheltonmac
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7 posted on 10/01/2001 12:57:00 PM PDT by sheltonmac
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8 posted on 10/01/2001 12:57:48 PM PDT by sheltonmac
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9 posted on 10/01/2001 12:58:11 PM PDT by sheltonmac
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As Farah points out, we already have a national ID system in place with SSN.

So if we already live under the burden, why not get some advantages out of a national ID system? We've already got the downside of this, lets get a bit of upside.

As it is, we can't get a handle on illegal aliens here in Arizona. An ID card would help. As long as it is possible for these people to sneek in here in massive droves, then the Terrorists will come too.

Until 9/11, I was against an ID as well. And I know all the quotes about "trading liberty for security", so no one needs to respond to me about that.

But we've already traded the liberty years ago. Let's just get some security out of it too.

10 posted on 10/01/2001 1:02:42 PM PDT by narby
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Let's just get some security out of it too.

I'm still baffled about how exactly we could derive any kind of security out of a national ID. In what way would it prevent the acts of the terrorists culminating on 9/11?

12 posted on 10/01/2001 1:06:23 PM PDT by Jolly Rodgers
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To: narby
we already have a national ID system in place with SSN.

Then this National ID would be redundant and useless. Of course the National ID card will not merely duplicate the SS#. It is proposed to be a 'Smart Card', with an imbedded microchip. It is supposed to be integrated and interactive with numerous object oriented databases. It could and would quickly compile dossiers on the most personal details: purchases, travel/movement, associations, etc…

All retail sales would require presentation of the card, akin to preferred customer cards. No card: no food, no water, no gasoline, nothing. Not so with SS#.

As it stands, driver's licenses are not required, they are voluntary. You can live your entire life without one if you so choose. Unless you are driving, you don't have to present one upon demand. Not so with a National ID. It could and would be required to be carried at all times, failure to comply will be literally the equivalent of not having 'Your Papers In Order'. Not carrying it would be an infraction in and of itself. As opposed to driver's licenses which give permission to drive, National ID's would be required as permission to merely exist. The difference may be lost to many but it is extremely profound.

why not get some advantages out of a national ID system? We've already got the downside of this, lets get a bit of upside.

Maybe you could explain these advantages. What are they, exactly? How would they have stopped the attacks? How would they prevent future ones? How exactly, by specifically what mechanism?

In reality, these National ID's would only give employment to forgers, and be used to harass and spy on innocent people. Not to mention the incredible division they would cause between Americans, something we don't need now.

14 posted on 10/01/2001 1:21:42 PM PDT by freeeee
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To: sheltonmac
How about a citizenship endorsement on one's driver's license? It might also include non-felon endorsement, so that you could buy a gun simply by flashing it (no records kept.)

If you have it, you go in the fast line at security, and are less scrutinized, and allowed to carry the means for your self defense. You are allowed to travel domestically without your info being recorded.

16 posted on 10/01/2001 1:26:57 PM PDT by Henry F. Bowman
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Okiereddust was sacked some time ago.
17 posted on 10/01/2001 1:32:18 PM PDT by ouroboros
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To: freeeee
National ID's would be required as permission to merely exist

I Am Not Inventory Bump

18 posted on 10/01/2001 1:33:20 PM PDT by jodorowsky
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To: sheltonmac
Well said!
19 posted on 10/01/2001 1:36:28 PM PDT by patlaw_guy
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To: tex-oma
I have yet to see anyone even attempt to answer that question.

That's why I keep asking it.

20 posted on 10/01/2001 1:39:46 PM PDT by freeeee
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