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Sun Tzu (SunZi), Chap 2 - Waging War
Project Gutenberg ^ | Circa 500 BC, translated 1910 | Sun Tzu (translated by Lionel Giles)

Posted on 10/01/2001 6:00:56 PM PDT by Clive

1. Sun Tzu said: In the operations of war, where there are in the field a thousand swift chariots, as many heavy chariots, and a hundred thousand mail-clad soldiers, with provisions enough to carry them a thousand li, the expenditure at home and at the front, including entertainment of guests, small items such as glue and paint, and sums spent on chariots and armor, will reach the total of a thousand ounces of silver per day. Such is the cost of raising an army of 100,000 men.

2. When you engage in actual fighting, if victory is long in coming, then men's weapons will grow dull and their ardor will be damped. If you lay siege to a town, you will exhaust your strength.

3. Again, if the campaign is protracted, the resources of the State will not be equal to the strain.

4. Now, when your weapons are dulled, your ardor damped, your strength exhausted and your treasure spent, other chieftains will spring up to take advantage of your extremity. Then no man, however wise, will be able to avert the consequences that must ensue.

5. Thus, though we have heard of stupid haste in war, cleverness has never been seen associated with long delays.

6. There is no instance of a country having benefited from prolonged warfare.

7. It is only one who is thoroughly acquainted with the evils of war that can thoroughly understand the profitable way of carrying it on.

8. The skillful soldier does not raise a second levy, neither are his supply-wagons loaded more than twice.

9. Bring war material with you from home, but forage on the enemy. Thus the army will have food enough for its needs.

10. Poverty of the State exchequer causes an army to be maintained by contributions from a distance. Contributing to maintain an army at a distance causes the people to be impoverished.

11. On the other hand, the proximity of an army causes prices to go up; and high prices cause the people's substance to be drained away.

12. When their substance is drained away, the peasantry will be afflicted by heavy exactions.

13,14. With this loss of substance and exhaustion of strength, the homes of the people will be stripped bare, and three-tenths of their income will be dissipated; while government expenses for broken chariots, worn-out horses, breast-plates and helmets, bows and arrows, spears and shields, protective mantles, draught-oxen and heavy wagons, will amount to four-tenths of its total revenue.

15. Hence a wise general makes a point of foraging on the enemy. One cartload of the enemy's provisions is equivalent to twenty of one's own, and likewise a single picul of his provender is equivalent to twenty from one's own store.

16. Now in order to kill the enemy, our men must be roused to anger; that there may be advantage from defeating the enemy, they must have their rewards.

17. Therefore in chariot fighting, when ten or more chariots have been taken, those should be rewarded who took the first. Our own flags should be substituted for those of the enemy, and the chariots mingled and used in conjunction with ours. The captured soldiers should be kindly treated and kept.

18. This is called, using the conquered foe to augment one's own strength.

19. In war, then, let your great object be victory, not lengthy campaigns.

20. Thus it may be known that the leader of armies is the arbiter of the people's fate, the man on whom it depends whether the nation shall be in peace or in peril.


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This is chapter 2 of the thirteen chapters of the Sun Tzu.

Here is Chapter 1

1 posted on 10/01/2001 6:00:56 PM PDT by Clive
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To: Clive
I started reading this book 4 weeks ago, strangely enough.
2 posted on 10/01/2001 6:04:03 PM PDT by Texaggie79
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To: Travis McGee; Republic of Texas; Otto DeFay; mukraker; cmsgop
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3 posted on 10/01/2001 6:06:19 PM PDT by Clive
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To: Political Junkie Too; Demosthenes; Redcloak
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4 posted on 10/01/2001 6:07:28 PM PDT by Clive
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To: Texaggie79
I have a nice version of the Art of War that I got last winter. It has extensive research on Chinese society at the time of its writing, and a guide to Chinese characters. Very fascinating, and a timeless read.
5 posted on 10/01/2001 6:07:30 PM PDT by Pyro7480
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To: ALL
The Huang translation entitles this chapter "Mobilizing for Armed Conflict"

the Cleary Translation calls it "Doing Battle"

6 posted on 10/01/2001 6:36:54 PM PDT by Clive
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To: Clive
9. Bring war material with you from home, but forage on the enemy. Thus the army will have food enough for its needs.

I am an admirer of Sun Tzu's obvious military genius, but even he can fail. The Germans tried this one, with disastrous results.

7 posted on 10/01/2001 6:40:08 PM PDT by He Rides A White Horse
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To: He Rides A White Horse
The allies were able to defeat Nazi Germany for a number of reasons, none of which had anything to do with German dependence on foraging.
8 posted on 10/01/2001 6:54:24 PM PDT by tjg
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To: tjg
That's not true. They thought they would overrun the Russians so fast that they would be enjoying a nice winter in Moscow, from indoors.
9 posted on 10/01/2001 6:59:03 PM PDT by He Rides A White Horse
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To: tjg
That's why half of them froze to death in their summer uniforms.
10 posted on 10/01/2001 6:59:55 PM PDT by He Rides A White Horse
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To: Clive
Here is Chapter 3 of the Sun Tzu.
11 posted on 10/01/2001 7:05:23 PM PDT by Clive
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To: tonycavanagh
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12 posted on 10/01/2001 8:07:14 PM PDT by Clive
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To: non-sequitur
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13 posted on 10/01/2001 8:23:26 PM PDT by JMJ333
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To: He Rides A White Horse
Part of the problem in applying a text on the art of war is that sometimes it is forgotten that the enemy will almost certainly have read the same text.

In any event, logistics is always a problem for an army, especially a rapidly advancing army.

14 posted on 10/01/2001 8:39:50 PM PDT by Clive
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To: He Rides A White Horse
Hitlers defeat at the hands of the Russians was in part a failure in tactics, part the underestimation of the enemy and mostly the delusions of a meglamaniacal lunatic that wouldn't accept a strategic withdrawal.

Failure to properly forage had nothing to do with it.

15 posted on 10/01/2001 9:39:42 PM PDT by tjg
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To: Clive
There is no instance of a country having benefited from prolonged warfare.

Tell that to North Vietnam.

Hence a wise general makes a point of foraging on the enemy. One cartload of the enemy's provisions is equivalent to twenty of one's own, and likewise a single picul of his provender is equivalent to twenty from one's own store.

And all you southerners complain about General Sherman and his campaign in Georgia...

16 posted on 10/02/2001 3:38:11 AM PDT by Non-Sequitur
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To: Non-Sequitur
"Tell that to North Vietnam."

Of course, Giap did what he had to do in circumstances in which he was confronted with a technically overpowering enemy.

"And all you southerners complain about General Sherman and his campaign in Georgia..."

Of course, Sherman did more than sieze enemy stores. The only things he left standing between Atlanta and the sea were the chimneys on the burned houses.

17 posted on 10/02/2001 5:35:20 AM PDT by Clive
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To: Clive
Here is another translation for comparison...

Sun-tzu said:

In general, the strategy for employing the military [is this]: If there are one thousand four-horse attack chariots, one thousand leather-armored support chariots, one hundred thousand mailed troops, and provisions are transported one thousand li, then the domestic and external campaign expenses, the expenditures for advisers and guests, materials such as glue and lacquer, and providing chariots and armor will be one thousand pieces of gold per day. Only then can an army of one hundred thousand be mobilized.
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When employing them in battle, a victory that is long in coming will blunt their weapons and dampen their ardor. If you attack cities, their strength will be exhausted. If you expose the army to a prolonged campaign, the state's resources will be inadequate.

When the weapons have grown dull and spirits depressed, when our strength has been expended and resources consumed, then the feudal lords will take advantage of our exhaustion to arise. Even though you have wise generals, they will not be able to achieve a good result.

Thus in military campaigns I have heard of awkward speed but have never seen any skill in lengthy campaigns. No country has ever profited from protracted warfare. Those who do not thoroughly comprehend the dangers inherent in employing the army are incapable of truly knowing the potential advantages of military actions.

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One who excels in employing the military does not conscript the people twice or transport provisions a third time. If you obtain your equipment from within the state and rely on seizing provisions from the enemy, then the army's foodstuffs will be sufficient.

The state is impoverished by the army when it transports provisions far off. When provisions are transported far off, the hundred surnames are impoverished.

Those in proximity to the army will sell their goods expensively. When goods are expensive, the hundred surnames' wealth will be exhausted. When their wealth is exhausted, they will be extremely hard-pressed [to supply] their village's military impositions.

When their strength has been expended and their wealth depleted, then the houses in the central plains will be empty. The expenses of the hundred surnames will be some seven-tenths of whatever they have. The ruler's irrecoverable expenditures-such as ruined chariots, exhausted horses, armor, helmets, arrows and crossbows, halberd-tipped and spear-tipped [large, movable] protective shields, strong oxen, and large wagons-will consume six-tenths of his resources.

Thus the wise general will concentrate on securing provisions from the enemy. One bushel of the enemy's foodstuffs is worth twenty of ours; one picul of fodder is worth twenty of ours.

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Thus what [motivates men] to slay the enemy is anger; what [stimulates them] to seize profits from the enemy is material goods. Thus in chariot encounters, when ten or more chariots are captured, reward the first to get one. Change their flags and pennants to ours; intermix and employ them with our own chariots. Treat the captured soldiers well in order to nurture them [for our use]. This is referred to as conquering the enemy and growing stronger.'

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Thus the army values being victorious; it does not value prolonged warfare. Therefore, a general who understands warfare is Master of Fate for the people, ruler of the state's security or endangerment.
Note the discussion on the transportation of supplies. Bush, in securing local allies and bases, is mitigating the cost of transportation. By putting supplies close at hand, he's reducing the strain caused by bringing those supplies in directly from home
18 posted on 10/02/2001 10:24:51 AM PDT by Redcloak
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To: Redcloak
Thank you.

It really helps in interpreting the work to consider how it is interpreted by several different translators.

19 posted on 10/02/2001 10:50:00 AM PDT by Clive
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