This article does a great disservice to the many young men who are more than willing to fight for our country and there are plenty of them out there.

A great disservice is right.

The losers that were interviewed for this article don't represent anybody that I have ever even met.

No, I think your wrong about the word plenty. In my experience even the ones willing really are not near the toughness needed to win. Our military is the only ready force as it is a volunteer force, no one forced them to join. But outside of that Military, America is as soft as a cream puff. And I think our police force aside from the FBI is not to be depended on. Most of em are community college liberal grads. Hell every time they apprehend and ole lady they drive up with the entire force to make the arrest. Bravado is not part of their character. If terrorist hit and area you can rest assure they'll be hunched over in their safe room.

Wish I could say the same. This mindset is more prevalent in the young than most of us would care to think about.

Still, you have to figure that you could have gone into Washington Square Park in December 1941 and found plenty of liberal young men who were willing to go fight Tojo and Hitler, neither of whom had done what Osama bin Laden did: mount a sneak attack that murdered more than 6,000 in New York, live on TV.

It's the Libs who have changed in the last thirty-five years or so. We are now much more "two nations" than we have ever been before (except, perhaps, just prior to the Civil War, in the 1850s). I agree with you that the are plenty of traditionalist young men who would fight for their country, but I think Dreher is right about the Libs.

Sounds about right for the current kiddies mind set.

Thirty years saying nothing is sloved by fighting has taken root in the mind set of the american people.

I think a year of mandatory military service would seperate the wheat from the slime.

As old General George Patton said "no one ever won a war by dying for his country, you win wars by making the other dumb SOB die for his country!"

Why is this surprising? These people are from NYC,and any other response would surprise me. I don't even consider NYC to BE a part of America to start with,and haven't for years. It's a third world cesspool kept alive by American money. I know I am subject to get flamed for this by all the "rah-rah" crowd who are suddenly so concerned over the home of Bubbette!,Schumer,Major Owens,Sharpton,Calvin Butts,Nadler,etc,etc,etc,but I don't give a damn. I'm not going to suddenly become a fan of a place that actually considers Rudy to be a far-right conservative because they were hit by a terror attack. I thought NYC sucked before,and I still think it sucks.

"a year of mandatory military service"

make it two years, one is not enough....

Wish I could say the same. This mindset is more prevalent in the young than most of us would care to think about.

I'd be willing to bet it is the predominant attitude amongst people of draft age,ESPECIALLY in the northeast and in California.

It occured to me a while back that a LOT of the most bloodthirsty FR posters who were screaming all over FR that we shouldn't risk American lives to go after these terrorists and to just nuke them ALL to death have made posts here in the past saying they were either active duty or reserve members of our military. Even THEY ain't really ready to fight or risk their own asses. They had rather nuke half the planet.

It's damn hard to convince 19-year-old Joe Sixpack that this war is worth his fighting when the people his age it's really being fought for - the elites of Blue Nation like Algore's son, who lived his whole life in one of the only two cities the war is really about defending - aren't volunteering themselves.

That's the bottom line. One reason Churchill had a surplus of volunteers was because even the then-teenage-princess who would become Queen Elizabeth II - and so many others of the Brit elites - had themselves volunteered. One reason FDR had no problem finding volunteers for high-risk units was because so many congresscritters quit Congress right after Pearl Harbor to enlist. (Seen any current congresscritter - or his son - do that in the current war?)

The obesity of many kids is a bigger problem than this. If it comes down to it, we can reinstitute the draft. Remember, even in WWII, we had to draft to fill the ranks. Too many draftees today would be big tubs'o'lard from too many Cokes and Twinkies. You can't reverse that overnight. It really pains me to see all the obese little kids running around.

>> And I think our police force aside from the FBI is not to be depended on. Most of em are community college liberal grads<<

The police are not soldiers, and they are not the militia.

There are some good kids out there,I remember this kids speech from a recent gathering we had inMy home town to remember the victims of 9/11. Got this from the paper,his speech was much longer and was really well done.

A 22-year-old native of the Yakima Valley was one of many.

"My generation has never had to fight for anything," he told those who came to stand together during Friday's national day of prayer and remembrance. "The battles for our freedom had been fought before we were born."

When he awoke Monday, he said he simply faced another day in the United States, where he lives, because he happened to be born here.

"But on Tuesday morning ... the United States turned into a place not that you lived in but that you believe in and fight for."

What we need is a special 6 month boot camp to shape up the fatties and special coward's brigades for these kids. Very doable. Then send them off where they are needed.

Another thing, if you spend your hard earn money sending your kid off to a good univeristy, what do you get back? A liberal communist thinking robot. The youth that go away to colleges these days are brain washed by communist social professors and turned back to the towns and cities in this country to see that we remain weak and passive.

I'd rather spend my money by sending a kid to a whorehouse in New Orleans, than to one of the elite schools in this day and time.

I think my military brethren around here would take exception to that. I know I do. I find your apparent subtle attempt at identifying military personnel as narcissistic hypocrites to be disgusting.

I hate to say it, but you are probably right. A physical conditioning platoon, no, make that regiment would have to be incorporated into any training facility. Make Jake, (of Body By Jake), the commanding officer, and draft the health club staffs from each large city to be the DIs in charge of conditioning. This would leave the regular DI staff free to teach the basics of discipline, marksmanship, and the chain of command.

In God We Trust.....Semper Fi