Posted on 10/03/2001 9:58:51 AM PDT by SlickWillard
Wednesday October 3, 2001 Cardinal Egan Tells America: Examine your Soul Americans should look inward and "examine our consciences” New York’s Edward Cardinal Egan told a press conference in Rome yesterday. In answer to a question about whether the U.S. role in world affairs might have contributed to a climate of hate, Cardinal Egan said, "Definitely, we have to examine our consciences." "It is not necessarily that the explanation is that there have been some misdeeds on the part of the United States, but that is a possibility," New York’s archbishop added. Egan explained that examining one's conscience "is one of the things you do in the pursuit of holiness. You say: 'What have I been doing wrong?' even in times when there's not a tragedy, but how do we account for what has happened?" Prior to addressing the press conference the Cardinal stressed that justice, not vengeance, should determine America's response to the attack. With Pope John Paul II listening, Egan added that "words like vengeance, retaliation and so forth are not the words of civilized people" and not of Christians. "The thing we don't want to do is get involved in a lot of injustice to settle our accounts," he warned. Earlier, Cardinal Egan made his position on the matter of U.S. response clear. During a Mass six days after the attacks, Egan called those who hijacked the four jets "criminals of the worst kind," and remembered the police, firefighters and EMS workers lost in the attacks as "gallant heroes." The Rev. Thomas Reese, editor of America, the Catholic newsweekly magazine and a longtime observer of Catholic bishops, told the New York Post that the cardinal approved the idea of "going after these people because of the damage they did and their threat to the common good," while at the same time "making sure that innocent bystanders are not hurt or injured." Fr. Reese added that Egan's statement about the need for America to examine its conscience was made in the context of the country's "moral responsibility in the world, for dealing with injustice, for violations of human rights, the starving and refugees all over the world. And all of that was true before the attacks took place." The cardinal is in Rome for a month-long gathering of the worlds Roman Catholic bishops.
Your Guy:
The Gospel according to
St. Matthew
Chapter 5
The Holy Bible
King James Version 2000Ye have heard that it hath been said, An eye for an eye, and a tooth for a tooth:
but I say unto you, That ye resist not evil: but whosoever shall smite thee on thy right cheek, turn to him the other also.
And if any man will sue thee at the law, and take away thy coat, let him have thy cloak also.
And whosoever shall compel thee to go a mile, go with him twain.
Give to him that asketh thee, and from him that would borrow of thee turn not thou away.
Ye have heard that it hath been said, Thou shalt love thy neighbor, and hate thine enemy.
But I say unto you, Love your enemies, bless them that curse you, do good to them that hate you, and pray for them which despitefully use you, and persecute you;
that ye may be the children of your Father which is in heaven: for he maketh his sun to rise on the evil and on the good, and sendeth rain on the just and on the unjust.
For if ye love them which love you, what reward have ye? do not even the publicans the same?
And if ye salute your brethren only, what do ye more than others? do not even the publicans so?
Be ye therefore perfect, even as your Father which is in heaven is perfect.
Their Guy:
Medina Suras
The Chapter of Women
[Chapters from the Koran]
The Harvard Classics 1909–14But if there befalls you grace from God, he would say—as though there were no friendship between you and him—‘O would that I had been with thee to attain this mighty happiness!’ Let those then fight in God’s way who sell this life of the world for the next; and whoso fights in God’s way, then, be he killed or be he victorious, we will give him a mighty hire.
What ails you that ye do not fight in God’s way, and for the weak men and women and children, who say, ‘Lord, bring us out of this town 19 of oppressive folk, and make for us from Thee a patron, and make for us from Thee a help?’
Those who believe fight in the way of God; and those who disbelieve fight in the way of Tâghût; fight ye then against the friends of Satan, verily, Satan’s tricks are weak.
Do ye not see those to whom it is said, ‘Restrain your hands, and be steadfast in prayer and give alms;’ and when it is prescribed for them to fight then a band of them fear men, as though it were the fear of God or a still stronger fear, and they say, ‘O our Lord! why hast thou prescribed for us to fight, couldst thou not let us abide till our near appointed time?’ Say, ‘The enjoyment of this world is but slight, and the next is better for him who fears;’—but they shall not be wronged a straw.
... Why are ye two parties about the hypocrites, when God hath overturned them for what they earned? Do ye wish to guide those whom God hath led astray? Whoso God hath led astray ye shall not surely find for him a path. They would fain that ye misbelieve as they misbelieve, that ye might be alike; take ye not patrons from among them until they too flee in God’s way; but if they turn their backs, then seize them and kill them wheresoever ye find them, and take from them neither patron nor help,—save those who reach a people betwixt whom and you is an alliance—or who come to you while their bosoms prevent them from fighting you or fighting their own people. But had God pleased He would have given you dominion over them, and they would surely have fought you. But if they retire from you and do not fight you, and offer you peace,—then God hath given you no way against them.
Ye will find others who seek for quarter from you, and quarter from their own people; whenever they return to sedition they shall be overturned therein: but if they retire not from you, nor offer you peace, nor restrain their hands, then seize them and kill them wheresoever ye find them;—over these we have made for you manifest power.
In answer to a question about whether the U.S. role in world affairs might have contributed to a climate of hate, Cardinal Egan said, "Definitely, we have to examine our consciences."
If Cardinal Egan can't tell the difference between the teachings of his religion and the teachings of the terrorists' religion, then he doesn't deserve the title "Cardinal," and, quite frankly, he has no business in the priesthood.
You can't figure the point out from reading the things that were posted and more importantly the specific pieces that are bolded?
You can't figure the point out from reading the things that were posted and more importantly the specific pieces that are bolded?
Yo, Cardinal Egan:I don't understand how your post relates to Egan's comments. Where did he indicate that there was no "difference between the teachings of his religion?"
Your Guy: ... "Love your enemies, bless them that curse you, do good to them that hate you, and pray for them which despitefully use you, and persecute you" ...
Their Guy: ... "seize them and kill them wheresoever ye find them " ...
I would not take anything he says into account.
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I have my own doubts about Islam, but isn't a large part of the problem that we have poked our nose into every corner of the globe, knowing that not all share our value system? What exactly did we expect would happen?
Yo Cardinal, you forgot the word retribution.
ret·ri·bu·tion (rtr-byshn)
n.
1.Something justly deserved; recompense.
"Definitely, we have to examine our consciences."
As a tripping Catholic might I suggest you, "bend over, put your head between your legs and examine your ***hole."
G-d Bless.
In answer to a question about whether the U.S. role in world affairs might have contributed to a climate of hate, Cardinal Egan said, "Definitely, we have to examine our consciences."
"It is not necessarily that the explanation is that there have been some misdeeds on the part of the United States, but that is a possibility," New York’s archbishop added.
Men of the cloth who can't call evil, "Evil," miss the whole point of Jesus's ministry.
The most excellent Jihad is that for the conquest of self. -Mohammed
The ink of the scholar is more holy than the blood of the martyr. -Mohammed
Well gee, I dunno, I suppose one could stick to his beliefs and become extinct.
cardinal approved the idea of "going after these people because of the damage they did and their threat to the common good," while at the same time "making sure that innocent bystanders are not hurt or injured."
That seems fairly obvious and straightforward, spoken in plain English. You get the guilty, you try to avoid killing the innocent. You don't approve of indiscriminately killing innocents, do you? Is it the examination of conscience part that bothers you? If so, you definitely need to do one.
In utter disgust,
AB
Lets take Afghanistan. As soon as the Soviets army left, we also stopped aid even though the Soviet puppet regime was still in Kabul. We stopped looking at what was going on in there, stopped supporting Massoud hereby forfeiting any influence over what happened. As it happens, the Taliban wins.
Then in Pakistan our ally General Zia (note who I am calling ally, in the Middle East all the difference between ally and enemy can be one man), his chief of staff and our ambassador are killed in a very suspicious helicopter crash, we do nothing. Had we probed, demanded a true investigation, sent our FBI evidence team immediately to conduct our own investigation, perhaps Pakistan might not have aided the Taliban as much.
Next time perhaps we will not merely defeat our immediate enemy, but also insure that the situation stabilizes in a fashion that is not hostile to us.
If you were a Muslim, it would be an act of blasphemy, punishable by death, to suggest that Mohammed was not the author of the Medina Suras.
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