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Clinton's Shadow Hangs Over US Attacks
The Sunday Times - London | 10-3-1 | Andrew Sullivan

Posted on 10/03/2001 10:14:20 PM PDT by rockymtn

Clinton's Shadow Hangs Over US Attacks


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Clinton's Shadow Hangs
Over US Attacks
By Andrew Sullivan
The Sunday Times - London
10-3-1

In the initial shock of the September 11 massacre, one small notion lodged itself into the mass psyche. It is perhaps best summed up by the phrase: "Who could have seen that coming?" Because of the sheer audacity of the attack, its novel use of kamikaze-style jets, its uniquely horrendous death toll, most of us tended to exculpate the leaders of the United States for any responsibility for the lax security and failure of intelligence and foreign policy it represented.
 
But nearly three weeks later, as the sheer extent of America's unpreparedness and vulnerability comes into better focus, one other conclusion is inescapable. The September 11 massacre resulted from a fantastic failure on the part of the United States government to protect its citizens from an act of war. This failure is now staring us in the face and, if the errors are to be rectified, it is essential to acknowledge what went wrong.
 
Two questions come to mind: how was it that the Osama Bin Laden network, known for more than a decade, was still at large and dangerous enough this autumn to inflict such a deadly blow? Who was responsible in the government for such a failure of intelligence, foreign policy and national security? These questions have not been asked directly, for good reasons.
 
There is a need to avoid recriminations at a time of national crisis. But at the same time, the American lack of preparedness that Tuesday is already slowing the capacity to bring Bin Laden to justice by constricting military and diplomatic options. And with a president just a few months in office, criticism need not extend to the young administration that largely inherited this tattered security apparatus.
 
Whatever failures of intelligence, security or diplomacy exist, they have roots far deeper than the first nine months of this year. When national disasters of unpreparedness have occurred in other countries - say, the invasion of the Falkland islands - ministers responsible have resigned. Taking responsibility for mistakes in the past is part of the effort not to repeat them. So why have heads not rolled?
 
The most plausible answer is that nobody has been fired because this attack was so novel and impossible to predict that nothing in America's security apparatus could have prevented it. The only problem with this argument is that it is patently untrue. Throughout the Clinton years, this kind of attack was not only predictable but predicted. Not only had Bin Laden already attacked American embassies and warships, he had done so repeatedly and been completely frank about his war. He had even attempted to destroy the World Trade Center in 1993. Same guy, same building. To say that nobody could have anticipated this type of attack is simply to say that US intelligence wasn't good enough to have found it out.
 
How prominent were the warnings of the danger of Islamic terrorism in the 1990s? Here's one: "The crater beneath the World Trade Center and the uncovering of a plot to set off more gigantic bombs and to assassinate leading political figures have shown Americans how brutal these extremists can be." This was written by Salman Rushdie in The New York Times in 1993.
 
Did the Clinton administration overhaul its intelligence and defence priorities in response to the 1993 warning? No. No effort was made to co-ordinate the mess of agencies designed to counter terrorism - the FBI, the CIA, the Pentagon, the State Department, the airlines, local law enforcement, the Coast Guard. No effort was made to recruit more spies who could speak Arabic or go undercover to pre-empt such attacks. Under the Clinton administration a law was passed making it more difficult for America to use spies who had sleazy or criminal pasts - the kind needed to infiltrate Bin Laden's cells.
 
The debacle of the Somalia expedition in 1992 and 1993 - which led to US special forces being humiliated - dramatically chilled the military's willingness to use such Delta Force units in action again. This occurred despite the fact that aggressive use of such forces was critical to any successful effort to regain the initiative against terrorism.
 
In a remarkably revealing and overlooked article in last week's New Yorker, Joe Klein argues that "there seems to be near-unanimous agreement among experts: in the 10 years since the collapse of the Soviet Union almost every aspect of American national security policy - from military operations to intelligence-gathering, from border control to political leadership - has been marked by . . . institutional lassitude and bureaucratic arrogance".
 
The decision to get down and dirty with the terrorists, to take their threat seriously and counter them aggressively, was simply never taken. Many bear the blame for this: Warren Christopher, the clueless, stately former secretary of state; Anthony Lake, the tortured intellectual at the National Security Council; General Colin Powell, whose decision to use Delta Force units in Somalia so badly backfired; but, above all, former president Bill Clinton, whose inattention to military and security matters now seems part of the reason why America was so vulnerable to slaughter.
 
Klein cites this devastating quote from a senior Clinton official: "Clinton spent less concentrated attention on national defence than any other president in recent memory. He could learn an issue very quickly, but he wasn't very interested in getting his hands dirty with detail work. His style was procrastination, seeing where everyone was, before taking action. This was truer in his first term than in the second, but even when he began to pay attention he was constrained by public opinion and his own unwillingness to take risks."
 
It is hard to come up with a more damning description of negligence than that.
 
Clinton even got a second chance. In 1998, after Bin Laden struck again at US embassies in Africa, the president was put on notice that the threat was deadly. He responded with a couple of missile strikes against Afghanistan and Sudan, some of which missed their targets and none of which seriously impacted on Osama Bin Laden.
 
Clinton's own former defence secretary, John Deutch, wrote in The New York Times that August: "We must insist on superior intelligence that will warn of potential terrorist actions. We must insist on tough and prompt responses, and on developing an effective capability to manage the consequences of these acts when they occur. In general, public and private experts have concluded that our country is not fully prepared to act effectively on these matters." Clinton largely ignored the warning.
 
In The Washington Post that August, the following prescient words were written by L Paul Bremer III, the former anti-terrorism chief in the Reagan administration: "The ideology of such groups [as Bin Laden's] makes them impervious to political or diplomatic pressures. They hate America, its values and its culture and proudly declare themselves to be at war with us. We cannot seek a 'political solution' with them."
 
Bremer then set out a list of what the US should do: "Defend ourselves. Beef up security around potential targets here and abroad, especially 'softer' targets such as American businesses overseas. Attack the enemy. Keep the pressure on terrorist groups. Be as systematic and relentless as they are. Crush Bin Laden's operations by pressure and disruption. The US government should order further military strikes against the remaining terrorist training camps in Afghanistan and Sudan. The government, further, should announce a large reward for Bin Laden's capture - dead or alive. This might work and at the least would exacerbate the paranoia common to all terrorists."
 
Sound familiar? It's exactly what is being done now, three years too late, with no element of surprise, and with far from adequate human intelligence.
 
This brings Bremer to the most critical point in his recommendations: "Improve our intelligence operations. Effective counterterrorism depends on good intelligence . . . We must pre-empt attacks before they happen. This requires improved co-ordination of intelligence collection. While it is difficult, we should expand the use of deep-cover agents on the ground to infiltrate organisations."
 
None of this happened. The CIA's feckless record went uncorrected.
 
Perhaps the most farsighted critic was a man called Reuel Marc Gerecht, a former case officer in the CIA's clandestine service and the author, under the pseudonym Edward Shirley, of a book called Know Thine Enemy: A Spy's Journey into Revolutionary Iran.
 
In The Atlantic Monthly this summer, he emphasised the need for trained spies to go underground in the Muslim world of Afghanistan and Pakistan if the West were ever to get adequate intelligence on Bin Laden's operation. Gerecht also reported the following devastating fact: "Robert Baer, one of the most talented Middle East case officers of the past 20 years (and the only operative in the 1980s to collect consistently first-rate intelligence on the Lebanese Hezbollah and the Palestinian Islamic Jihad), suggested to headquarters in the early 1990s that the CIA might want to collect intelligence on Afghanistan from the neighbouring central Asian republics of the former Soviet Union.
 
"Headquarters' reply: too dangerous, and why bother? The cold war there was over with the Soviet withdrawal in 1989. Afghanistan was too far away, internecine warfare was seen as endemic, and radical Islam was an abstract idea.
 
"Afghanistan has since become the training ground for Islamic terrorism against the United States, yet the CIA's clandestine service still usually keeps officers on the Afghan account no more than two or three years."
 
If you want to know why it seems unlikely that America knows enough about Bin Laden's whereabouts to mount an immediate attack today, then re-read those sentences. This is an intelligence failure of colossal proportions.
 
What happened to the man who presided over that massive failure? George Tenet, director of the CIA since 1997, is still in his job.
 
Not everyone in Washington was asleep at the switch. In response to the African embassy bombings, a national commission on terrorism was set up to propose changes. It was headed by a top-notch group of former officials and got plenty of attention. The panel argued that America was extremely vulnerable to a huge attack by a group such as Al-Qaeda, and recommended better espionage, more Arabic-speaking spies, better intelligence-sharing between the FBI and the CIA, wider wiretapping, and much of what is now on the table. The report was even prescient enough to have a picture of the World Trade Center on its cover.
 
But the report died the death of a thousand quibbles. Civil liberties advocates complained about a threat to individual freedom. James Zogby, the president of the Arab-American Institute, said the proposals were like "the darkest days of the McCarthy era".
 
A writer in the online magazine Salon described the warnings of a domestic attack as "a con job with roughly the veracity of the latest Robert Ludlum novel". The CIA opposed lowering its squeaky-clean standards for spies, and the FBI was desperate, under Clinton, to avoid any Reagan-like dirty tricks in its operation.
 
When the report came to Congress, it was attacked by Senator Patrick Leahy of Vermont, who distrusted the CIA and wanted to avoid what he called "risks to civil liberties we hold dear".
 
The proposal picked up momentum after the attack in Aden on the USS Cole last October, but was so watered down by the end of the legislative process that it was virtually useless. The Clinton administration did next to nothing to rescue it.
 
Clinton's former national security adviser, Sandy Berger, defended the president's record to Klein in The New Yorker. He argued that, after the embassy bombings, there was a concerted effort to find and kill Bin Laden, and that the cruise missile in Afghanistan missed its target by an hour, after which Bin Laden disappeared from view. Anonymous Clinton officials also blame the former treasury secretary Robert Rubin for resisting measures to cut off Bin Laden's financing, and to use cyber warfare to crack down on terror money networks.
 
Others blame the FBI: "[The FBI's] standard line was that Bin Laden wasn't a serious domestic security threat," one source told Klein. "They said that he had about 200 guys on the ground and they had drawn a bead on them." But whatever the nuances of blame here, it is clear that nobody from the top intervened, imposed order and reorganisation.
 
Earlier this year, yet another report, chaired by the respected former senators Gary Hart and Warren Rudman, came to yet another definitive conclusion that America was vulnerable. They made exactly the same recommendations that are now finally being implemented; the report was well advertised and disseminated in the press - and still nothing was done.
 
Hindsight is easy, of course. In the halcyon and feckless climate of the 1990s, it would have required real political leadership to dragoon various stubborn government agencies into a difficult reorganisation to counter terrorism. It would have been extremely hard to persuade a sceptical public and a prickly civil liberties lobby that vast new powers were necessary to prevent catastrophe. This much is true.
 
But it's also true that there were several unmistakable attacks on America by the very forces that have now launched a war. It is also true that many, many people recognised this and were brave enough to warn about it.
 
In August 1998, Milton Bearden, the former CIA chief in Pakistan and Sudan, wrote in The New York Times: "The case against Osama Bin Laden is clear-cut. Through his self-proclaimed sponsorship of terrorism against the United States, he has, in effect, declared war on us."
 
In July 1999, William Cohen, Clinton's defence secretary, wrote in The Washington Post: "In the past year, dozens of threats to use chemical or biological weapons in the United States have turned out to be hoaxes. Someday, one will be real".
 
Whatever excuses members of Clinton's administration may have, they cannot trot out the excuse of not having been warned. We were all warned. We just preferred to look the other way.
 
It is clear that there are many in the American government who, while not being "guilty men" in sympathising with, and appeasing, the enemy were, at the very least, "negligent men". They deserve some sympathy. They were imperfect human beings in a world where September 11 was still an abstract. But we pay our politicians to assess the possibility of an actual threat. That's what they are there for. And, on that critical task, they failed.
 
If the security manager of a nuclear power plant presides over a massive external attack on it, then it's only right that he should be held responsible, in part, for what happened. More than 6,000 families are now living with the deadly consequences of the negligence of the government of the United States. There is no greater duty for such a government than the maintenance of national security, and the protection of its own citizens.
 
When a senior Clinton official can say of his own leader that he "spent less concentrated attention on national defence than any other president in recent memory", and when this administration is followed by the most grievous breach of domestic security in American history, it is not unreasonable to demand some accounting.
 
Clinton is not alone. The list of people who resisted or thwarted the measures needed to have avoided this catastrophe are many. They reach back to president George Bush Sr, who balked at removing Saddam Hussein from power at the end of the Gulf war, thus leaving the single most dangerous abetter of international terrorism at large on the world stage.
 
They include Bush and Clinton officials who failed to see the danger in the vacuum left in Afghanistan after the successful insurgency against the Soviets. They include senators, congressmen, lobbyists, civil liberties advocates and journalists - all of whom failed to see the danger. Few of us are free from blame, but the most blame must surely be attributed to the top.
 
We thought for a long time that the Clinton years would be seen, in retrospect, as a mixed blessing. He was sleazy and unprincipled, we surmised, but he was also competent, he led an economic recovery, and he conducted a foreign policy of multilateral distinction.
 
But the further we get away from the Clinton years, the more damning they seem. The narcissistic, feckless, escapist culture of an America absent without leave in the world was fomented from the top. The boom at the end of the decade turned out to include a dangerous bubble that the administration did little to prevent.
 
The "peace-making" in the Middle East and Ireland merely intensified the conflicts. The sex and money scandals were not just debilitating in themselves - they meant that even the minimal attention that the Clinton presidency paid to strategic military and intelligence work was skimped on.
 
We were warned. But we were coasting. And the main person primarily entrusted with correcting that delusion, with ensuring America's national security - the president - was part of the problem.
 
Through the dust clouds of September 11, and during the difficult task ahead, one person hovers over the wreckage - and that is Bill Clinton. His legacy gets darker with each passing day.
 
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1 posted on 10/03/2001 10:14:20 PM PDT by rockymtn
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To: rockymtn
It's been posted before

Andrew Sullivan: The damage Clinton did

The Damage Clinton Did

but it's certainly worth repeating.

Original Sunday Times Source: The damage Clinton did

2 posted on 10/03/2001 10:26:07 PM PDT by Incorrigible
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To: rockymtn
bump to read to family
3 posted on 10/03/2001 10:39:41 PM PDT by GoreNoMore
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To: rockymtn
And with a president just a few months in office, criticism need not extend to the young administration that largely inherited this tattered security apparatus.

Few? Like in nine? That's longer in office than two or three of former presidents had altogether.

Inherited? Kinda like Clinton inherited Bosnia and Haiti and Cuban boat people and the largest debt and deficits in American history and soaring unemployment and high crime rates and Somalia and Waco and Iraq and Central America and a crack epidemic and many other lousy situations that Bush 1 or Reagan 1 had left the country in?

But back then not one single pundit, certainly not Sulliedvan, ever suggested that because Clinton had inherited those problems, criticism about them "need not extend to his young administration."

This is hypocritical, biased balderdash. When will the right finally realize that Clinton is not president anymore. Or that if Clinton does not deserve credit for the good things that happened when he was in the White House, it is duplicitous and highly unjust to blame him for bad things that happened nine months AFTER he'd left it.

4 posted on 10/03/2001 10:42:37 PM PDT by Hidy
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To: rockymtn
Although none of this will bring back the lives of those who were lost, it is so important for us to learn from the mistakes of the past. Important to remember, the ones most responsible for this act of horror were the terrorists themselves, however it is imperative that we learn how to prevent this from occuring again, as much as is possible.
Hopefully these steps are being taken now. What troubles me however is the reference to Senator Patrick Leahy concern over our civil liberties, he is doing the same thing again.
Certainly we must preserve our liberties , however, steps must be taken to strenghen our security. Afterall, the constitution allows one of the few obligations of the federal government is to "provide for the common defense, and promote the general welfare."
It is clear that the former adminstration dropped the ball when it came to intelligence preferring to promote social programs and wage fund raising campaigns long after the elections were past. If he had perhaps put America first as he promised to do, he might have paid more attention to the obvious threats made on this nation.
Bill Clinton was a perpetual campaigner, not a leader. In GW Bush, we have a leader. Let us hope that congress will continue to support this war on Terrorism and make the world safer for all of us.
5 posted on 10/03/2001 10:43:39 PM PDT by ladyinred
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To: rockymtn
Wow. That is perhaps the most clearcut and devastating indictment of Clinton that I have ever read.
6 posted on 10/03/2001 10:43:44 PM PDT by Monti Cello
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To: Angelique
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7 posted on 10/03/2001 10:49:01 PM PDT by christie
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To: rockymtn
Yes, blame Clinton. Some of us actually said "impeach Clinton" back in the day, some others didn't listen, and we see what happened.
8 posted on 10/03/2001 10:53:24 PM PDT by EaglesUpForever
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To: Hidy
Kinda like Clinton inherited Bosnia and Haiti and Cuban boat people and the largest debt and deficits in American history and soaring unemployment and high crime rates and Somalia and Waco and Iraq and Central America and a crack epidemic and many other lousy situations that Bush 1 or Reagan 1 had left the country in?

Actually, most of these "lousy situations" you mention were made worse by Clinton - or, if they improved, did so with no help whatsoever from the guy. There is a fundamental dishonesty in saying something such as "Clinton inherited Waco": the truth is that what Clinton "inherited" was at worst an ill-advised investigation and planned raid on the place - it didn't have to turn into the mass murder that it did. But it was under Clinton himself that the raid, standoff, and final assault were actually carried out. Clinton turned the relatively small problem he "inherited" and magnified it a thousandfold into a huge one.

It's difficult to fathom why some other things make your list: "soaring unemployment"? The economy was well into recovery during Bush 1's Presidency. "crack epidemic"? What, is there no crack around anymore? And you think the proliferation of crack had something to do with Bush 1, while the lack of crack has something to do with Clinton? Strange.

But back then not one single pundit, certainly not Sulliedvan, ever suggested that because Clinton had inherited those problems,

Here you are saying: in 1993 not one single pundit ever focused on a problem Clinton was facing and claimed he inherited it from his predecessor.

Wanna bet?

You just make this stuff up as you go along, don't you?

Or that if Clinton does not deserve credit for the good things that happened when he was in the White House, it is duplicitous and highly unjust to blame him for bad things that happened nine months AFTER he'd left it.

He does not deserve credit for the "good things that happened when he was in the White House" because he had nothing to do with them: they were just that - "good things that happened while he was in the White House".

He does deserve blame for the bad things that happened when he was in the White House - if he actually had something to do with the creation of those "bad things". See, for example, the slaughter at Waco; fiasco in Somalia; foreign policy disasters all over due to his "nation building" and the arrogance that his mere presence at photo opportunnities would cause peace; the War Against Yugoslavian Civilians; etc.

Understand now? He does not get credit for coincidences (i.e. the economy), or stuff other people did (i.e. Republican congress balancing the budget, reforming welfare). He does get blame for stuff that is actually his doing.

You think this is unfair for some reason? Kindly explain - unless this was another one of your hit-and-run posts.

9 posted on 10/03/2001 10:58:13 PM PDT by Dr. Frank fan
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To: Hidy
Nice try.

The problems outlined are particular to the executive branch of the US government from 1993-2001.

The Democratic Party has been proudly dismissing threats to America and dismantling military power for as long as I've been observing politics.

Clinton was the most prolific, however, in using the military to his own political ends. Haiti: failure; Sudan: ridiculed by the world; Somalia: debacle; Yugoslavia: completely unjustified by UN data, and the worst example yet of US meddling.

Waco? do you really want to mention Waco? Waco was transformed by Clinton and Reno from a regualar whacko tax evasion case into a holocaust for absolutely no good reason.

There was only one President around over the last 80% of a decade. He sure as hell didn't do anything to improve the defense of this nation, and whether you like it or not, that's on him, and everyone who voted for him.

10 posted on 10/03/2001 10:59:37 PM PDT by Monti Cello
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To: Hidy
Immediately after the embassy bombings in Africa and then after the Yemen blast, Clinton could have used the bullhorn to stir up better security measures. Good grief, he was the KING of executive dictums. By the time that Bush arrived, domestic issues had bubbled (no pun intended) to the top. Rumsfield was working on major changes at the Pentagon.

Returning to the so-called robust economy of the past 8 years. What poop. It was the direct cause of our current recession. Clinton didn't have the courage to tell the truth about anything including the real state of the economy. The market saw it coming last March and Greenspan had been warning for YEARS.

Funny how Clinton came to power criticizing the "worst economy in 50 yrs". He probably will live to regret those words.

11 posted on 10/03/2001 11:10:57 PM PDT by Kay
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To: Hidy
This is hypocritical, biased balderdash. When will the right finally realize that Clinton is not president anymore.

Hardy har har har!

When is the left going to realize that Clinton did more damage (yet to be fully felt) to this country than the terrorists attacks? It is almost impossible to describe how much harm he and his administration have done.

Madeline Albright was just on CNN indicating that the Clinton administration tried several times to get bin Laden and came close. But since they failed it just goes to show how difficult it is to get him, she said.

Give me a break. The Clintonistas are running for cover because they realize how inept and ineffective the were.

Thank God competent adults are finally in the White House and in the administration.

12 posted on 10/03/2001 11:25:24 PM PDT by rundy
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To: rockymtn
It's simply way too easy to blame Clinton and move on.  Oh yeah, the guy deserves every mention of blame in this article.  Heck, he deserves all of this and much much more.  But how can we exhonerate those who served under the louse?

Two events from the last eight years speak volumes.  In one instance a private plane was crashed within feet of the White House.  In another event, a middle eastern pilot was suspected of crashing an aircraft on purpose.  I'm no genious, but I think that just about any fertile mind could extrapolate some object lessons from these two events.  My question would be, is there anyone that didn't think a suicidal act of terrorism could involve a pilot, a commercial airliner and important targets?

I keep hearing over and over that this was simply never envisioned.  Folks, we pay military and intelligence personel billions of dollars per year to think.  Many of them are tasked to think about nothing more than these exact scenarios.  It's about time we take the kid gloves off and tell it like it is.  Heads should roll.  Many of these people should be outright fired!  Pensions should forfeited.

Did you ever in your wildest dreams envision our Pentagon so inept that it would track an aircraft headed right into itself, without calling on air support to knock it out of the sky?  Think about it.  The most sensitive building in the world related to our self-defense, and it was totally unprepared to defend itself.  The message this must have sent enemy military planners around the world must have spoken volumes, hell whole libraries worth.  I must say, our leadership in Washington never ceases to amaze me.  The most popular mantra these day is, "This isn't the time for placing blame.  We all need to pull together."  Aw shucks, isn't that touching.  Cumbaya, cumbaya...

Does anyone recall the rampant rush to close military bases during the last administration?  You know, we didn't really need to have our aircraft spread out far and wide.    Well, I wonder if anyone can see a reason now to have such aircraft close by most regions of our nation?  If an aircraft is hijacked again, wouldn't it be nice to have aircraft nearby that could prevent a repeat occurance?  Fact is, we're looking to close more bases, or at least we were.  Brilliant?  Hell, our enemies couldn't have designed our military planning any better if they'd have done it themselves.

Three weeks ago a number of foreign nationals took out the WTC.  A significant number of them were here illegaly.  Today another illegal took out a Greyhound bus.  At least Heraldo says he was an illegal.  But in all our leader's wisdom, there hasn't been one announced program to remedy the problems with illegals within our borders.  The actions of our nation's leadership is so shocking that at some point you have to ask, will the real suicidal people please stand up.  Why not take a moment to join me standing in a moment of silence for the six thousand that have already died due in part to illegals, and those who are continuing to die as a result of their actions.

Yes, your government is supposed to protect our nation from attack.  In case this isn't crystal clear, let me remind you, that's one of the few legitimate duties our federal government has.  Yet this, the most important duty the federal government is tasked to do, they failed to do.  That cost over 6,000 lives.

The feds knew those planes were hijacked.  They knew they were flying off course.  They knew they were flying towards large metropolitan or other sensitive areas within our nation's air space.  Why was nothing done to prevent what happened?  Why were no contingency plans drawn up for such an eventuality?  What the hell do we pay hundreds of billions of "defense" dollars for?  Place me in a room with six fifth graders and we could come up with better defense plans than our military had for the safety of New York.  Place me in a room with a couple of third graders and we could come up with a better defense plan than the Pentagon had for itself.

I had a pretty good laugh when I read the comment in this article about the CIA refusing to deal with shadey characters.  I guess Mena, Vietnam and Laos are three words that this day's CIA has never heard of.  South America might be another key set of words that might lead someone to wonder just when the CIA started their new policy of no shadey characters.  Frankly, the implausible denials and mental lapses used to exhonerate any blame from our elected officials are weak and sickening.

What happened should never have happened.  What's the first thing you'd think to do when a plane is hijacked?  Duh, you put a military jet in the air.  The commercial flights should have had a jet by their side within twenty minutes after they were hijacked.  When they headed for NY or W., D.C. they should have been shot out of the sky.

Folks, some of us are always thinking of the worst case scenario.  We are constantly ridiculed for demanding that our nation not take risks.  We are constantly ridiculed for saying that things can and will go wrong, we should plan for them.  The events of the last few weeks should go a long ways toward convincing some of you that we were right.  Unfortunately they won't.

Right now we have illegal immigrants running freely within our borders.  We are continuing to help position China so that it can do extensive damage to our nation.  These two failed policies should be corrected at once.  Don't hold your breath.  While our airports are manned by upwards of 80% of people who aren't even citizens, we're content to see even more of our manufacturing sent off shore as jobs in this nation evaporate before our very eyes.

We do not always deserve what happens to us.  But the fact is, we certainly do contribute a lot to the efforts of those who do it to us.  Furious doesn't begin to describe my feeling regarding policies that see us exposed to such evil happenings, but I have long since resigned myself to the fact that nothing will change.  The loss of our civil rights will continue.  And as these rights fade for us, the rights of illegals living among us will continue to be enhanced.

May God have mercy on our nation and it's people.  Our leaders sure as hell won't.

13 posted on 10/04/2001 12:00:15 AM PDT by DoughtyOne
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To: Hidy
100 years from now Clinton will be remembered for only two things:

1. The Lewinsky affair and his impeachment.

2. His destruction of his nation's military strength and intelligence services,
which was followed by a ferocious terrorist attack shortly after he left office.

That will be his legacy in the history books. I dare you to deny it!

15 posted on 10/04/2001 12:16:05 AM PDT by Nogbad
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To: Nogbad
I just don't understand why people admire and support the former president. I didn't support him wen he ran versus x41, and i surely don't care for what he did to this country during his stay, and it honestly makes me sick to my stomach to think of him touring around and giving public speeches.

God Bless The USA and God Bless W.

16 posted on 10/04/2001 12:28:07 AM PDT by 80skid
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To: Hidy
You can try revising as much history as you want, but it ain't going to fly with those who have the facts on their side.
17 posted on 10/04/2001 12:48:58 AM PDT by FranklinsTower
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To: Hidy
The problem for you and other Kool Aid drinkers is that the Sink Emperor's legacy is still being written. But for the Clymers in the presstitution racket, more sheeple would know what we know. They will, eventually, for the truth will out...
18 posted on 10/04/2001 5:28:59 AM PDT by eureka!
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To: Hidy
You need to understand that "your Boy Clinton" will not just walk away from his bombing of asprin factories and the like. All of this crap is going to come out! So please keep trying to sway public oppinion on him, as it will not work this time.The adults are in the white house now, and the people see this. No amount of Clinton Spin will change that.
19 posted on 10/04/2001 6:34:20 AM PDT by cody32127
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To: Hidy
So, it's hypocritical to criticize Clinton?

I think your reply is feckless.

20 posted on 10/04/2001 10:06:51 PM PDT by Rocky
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