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Virginia: Gubernatorial debate coverage
Richmond Times-Dispatch ^ | 10/04/2001 | Times Dispatch, Wash ComPost staff

Posted on 10/04/2001 7:54:10 AM PDT by cogitator

Foes spar on sales tax
Gubernatorial candidates hold first live televised debate
BY JEFF E. SCHAPIRO AND TYLER WHITLEY
TIMES-DISPATCH STAFF WRITERS

Citing the ailing economy, Republican gubernatorial nominee Mark L. Earley last night pledged to veto legislation letting Northern Virginia voters decide whether to boost the sales tax for road improvements. Democratic opponent Mark R. Warner accused Earley of "hypocrisy" on the volatile tax issue.

In their first live televised debate of the electoral season, the candidates also clashed over the increasingly bitter tone of the campaign; the budget impasse and car-tax reform; additional restrictions on abortion; and the role of the politically muscular National Rifle Association.

About the only topic on which they agreed: that Virginia - in the aftermath of the Sept. 11 attacks on the Pentagon and World Trade Center - has to do more to thwart terrorism. Both promised to strengthen law enforcement as well as fire and rescue services.

Earley, moving to jump-start a campaign that is trailing in published and private polls, forcefully pressed his argument that Warner is committed to raising taxes because his $2.2 billion highway program includes $900 million that would be derived if voters in Northern Virginia were to agree in a referendum to pay a higher sales tax. [First mention of the fact that Earley is behind in the polls.]

"You're not looking for a referendum to raise taxes unless you want to raise taxes," Earley said.

Earley attempted to further sharpen the distinctions between himself and Warner, promising to veto the legislation necessary to put the tax question on a regional ballot if the economy continues lagging. It was Earley's most forceful denunciation yet of the proposed referendum.

"In these economic times, I'd veto that bill in a heartbeat," he said.

Throughout the hourlong encounter, Earley was the more aggressive of the two politicians, pushing time and again to depict his opponent as wedded to higher taxes. Warner, at one point, appeared shaken by the persistent interrogation by the moderator, former Gov. L. Douglas Wilder, for whom Warner served as campaign manager in 1989.

Wilder demanded that Warner say whether he would work for passage of a sales-tax increase if the matter were put to Northern Virginia voters. Warner replied that he first needed to gauge the economy and see how the measure was crafted.

Told afterward that he appeared to be harder on his old political ally, Warner, than on Earley, Wilder replied:

"I don't think so; the real issue is whether one was more responsive to the question than the other."

Warner repeated that he, like Earley, opposes a general tax increase, but that he believes voters in traffic-clogged Northern Virginia should be free to decide whether they want to pay higher taxes for better highways and mass transit.

However, Warner last night refused to join Earley in pledging to veto a general tax increase. Warner described such a promise as "political grandstanding."

With his veto pledge, Earley again appeared to have modified his position on the tax referendum. He initially opposed it; then said he would consider it. In the debate, he established the sour economy as a new obstacle to the referendum, which has broad bipartisan support in the Washington suburbs.

Even before Earley outlined his new stance, Warner scolded the Republican for trying to have it both ways - appearing hostile to taxes, but open to empowering voters to choose whether to raise them.

"We've got a word for that; it's called hypocrisy," Warner said.

The third of four scheduled gubernatorial debates, last night's encounter at Virginia Commonwealth University was the toughest yet between Warner and Earley.

Since emerging from the political blackout that followed the terrorist attacks, the candidates have been sparring almost entirely over taxes.

Earley has pressed the tax theme largely because previous attacks on Warner, pegged to such issues as parole abolition, have failed to blunt the Democrat's edge in the polls. [Second mention of the fact that Earley is behind in the polls.]

The latest published and private polls show Earley trailing by from 3 percentage points to 9 percentage points. [Third mention of the fact the Earley is behind in the polls. Sense a trend?]

Warner scolded Earley for his tactics, saying the Republican since summer has unfairly warped the Democrat's positions on a variety of issues. In August, the GOP distributed a mass-mail piece portraying Warner and his running mates as tax-and-spend liberals who favor homosexual marriage - a charge denied by Democrats.

Warner said even Earley's mother denounced the flier.

Earley responded, "Mark, I have not brought your mother into the campaign. No, my mother did not like that mailing, but she likes your plan to raise taxes a lot less."

Warner also criticized Earley's back-to-back television commercials attacking Warner's proposed tax referendum.

"Is there nothing you won't say to get this job?" Warner asked Earley.

Earley was unrepentant, saying, "That's what campaigns are all about." Referring to the tax controversy and its projected cost, Earley said of his rival, "We point out - and he doesn't like it - that $900 million sales tax increase."

On abortion, Earley, whose political origins are in the anti-abortion movement, said he would push for additional restrictions on the procedure. He said he wants a law requiring teen-age girls to get a parent's consent to obtain an abortion.

Earley said he would not seek to reverse the U.S. Supreme Court decision legalizing abortion.

Warner sided with Earley in being against partial-birth abortions but said he would seek no other limits.

Wilder also prodded Warner for a direct answer on whether the NRA is a positive or negative force. Warner, eager to win votes in the Republican-leaning countryside, had little to say about the NRA other than that it was an advocate for sportsmen. Earley, angling for an endorsement for the traditionally Republican gun group, praised it for standing up for firearms rights.

Both candidates promised to defend the one-handgun-a-month law, which Wilder won over the objections of the NRA in 1993.

Warner again said he would complete the phaseout of the car tax during his four years as governor, but he would not commit to doing so next year - as Earley repeatedly has - until he has a handle on the state's finances, which have been battered by the economic downturn.

The Libertarian candidate for governor, William B. Redpath of Fairfax, was excluded from last night's debate at Earley's insistence.

He sat on a park bench outside VCU's Performing Arts Center, the venue for the debate, and watched about 200 Earley and Warner supporters exchange taunts and cheers before it started.

Earley's allies included one of his sons, Justin, a drummer leading a high school band contingent.

Warner and Earley meet Sunday night in Roanoke for their final debate.

That debate will be carried on statewide television and radio. The debate last night was carried live on television only by Richmond and Roanoke stations. Broadcast outlets in Hampton Roads and Northern Virginia were to show a tape of the debate later.

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Earley Would Bar Vote On Tax
In Va. Debate, Warner Defends Referendum
By R.H. Melton
Washington Post Staff Writer

Excerpts:

Earley, hoping to arouse a GOP base with just over a month to go in the governor's race, sharply criticized frontrunner Warner for including $900 million from a proposed Northern Virginia referendum in his transportation program, saying: "We're in a severe economic downturn. . . . In these economic times, I'd veto that bill in a heartbeat."

Warner defended the referendum against Earley's insistent criticism -- and some pointed prodding by the debate moderator, former governor L. Douglas Wilder (D) -- saying traffic-clogged regions deserve the right to vote on funding for local transportation projects.

"Why don't you trust the people?" Warner asked Earley. "What do you say to all the legislators in Northern Virginia who support this referendum?"

and ...

Del. John A. "Jack" Rollison III (R-Prince William), the referendum's architect, said after the debate that he still believes Earley would give a referendum bill due consideration. "I'm expecting Mark Earley to keep his commitment and have an open door. It's fair to evaluate all legislative proposals in light of the economic conditions at the time." [OK, I have to call 'spin' when I see it.]

GOP strategists said tonight that Earley's emphatic pronouncement was crucial to dramatizing his policy differences with Warner, especially on tax issues, which have proven so potent for Republicans in past statewide elections. Four years ago, James S. Gilmore III and his ticket mates, including Earley, swept into office on a promise to repeal the state's car tax.

and ...

Warner strategists said Earley's emphasis on taxes will not work this year because of fundamental changes in Virginia's electorate since the heyday of the car-tax repeal -- changes they said accelerated in the spring when Gilmore and the GOP-controlled General Assembly failed to agree on a state budget.

"People are not looking for campaigns and politicians as usual. They are looking for something deeper," said Judy Peachee Ford, of Richmond, a former Republican National Committee member who now leads a group of GOP-leaning business people for Warner.


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There was nary a mention of education in the debate. In the excerpts I saw, Warner did say that he would have to consider what was in the referendum: transportation, education, or both.

Time to comment, everyone.

1 posted on 10/04/2001 7:54:10 AM PDT by cogitator
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To: billhilly; Angelwood; ironman; Taxman; mike2right; Mudboy Slim; Coop; Ligeia
Debate flag
2 posted on 10/04/2001 7:56:02 AM PDT by cogitator
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To: cogitator
Who actually WATCHED the entire dog & pony show? Transcripts just don't "get it" somehow. What was the overall mood?
3 posted on 10/04/2001 7:59:55 AM PDT by Inspector Harry Callahan
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Debate flag
4 posted on 10/04/2001 8:03:16 AM PDT by cogitator
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To: Inspector Harry Callahan
No flag for you!

I thought it was going to be live on a Washington station, but that's only the Friday debate. So all I got to see were sound-bites (and not very exciting ones, at that). Governor Wilder seemed amused by both candidates inability to answer the questions posed.

5 posted on 10/04/2001 8:04:58 AM PDT by cogitator
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To: Inspector Harry Callahan
I watched it, and Earley wiped the floor with that Yankee game-show host. I never realized how bad Warner really is, but the guy is positively Gore-like, but instead of Prince Albert's overbearing condesenscion, Warner is all nervous robotics.

I kept asking myself, how on earth did this guy almost win a Senate seat in 1996. I guess 10 million dollars can do that, plus John Warner's efforts to piss of the GOP base in the Commonwealth.

Earley was very cool, relaxed, had some good off-the-cuff moments and stuck to his message. Warner was constantly looking at his notes, stumbling, not addressing the camera and making jokes no one laughed at. The guy has a major dork effect working against him, and hopefully over the next month we can put him away. I just won't be able to take this guy for four years.

I think when it's all said and done on election day, the undecideds will see "D - Alexandria" next to Warner's name and Earley will squeak in with help from the undercard, Katzen and Kilgore, whom I expect to win a bit easier. Here's hoping I'm right.

6 posted on 10/04/2001 8:08:58 AM PDT by Nightbird
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To: Inspector Harry Callahan; cogitator; Coop; Mudboy Slim
Who actually WATCHED the entire dog & pony show?

I didn't watch, but I've talked to several folks this morning that did. They're admittedly pro-Earley, but at least one who is very close to the campaign - but at the same time will tell me how it really is - told me that Earley was the clear winner.

Plus, Wilder was pretty tough on Warner and later said that he (Warner) was the least responsive of the two.

My assessment. Earley can still win this if he keeps going in this direction (hammering Warner on taxes, talking about public safety). There's some new blood at campaign HQ that has helped to put things back on track.

Earley needs two things: 1) Money and 2) George W. Bush.

A Bush fly-in to the state would seal the election for Earley. If this Governorship is as important to Bush as we've been lead to believe, he'll show up. My guess is that Jim Gilmore is working on those details.

7 posted on 10/04/2001 8:15:19 AM PDT by Ward Smythe
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To: cogitator
No flag for you!

(Callahan throws self to ground in anguish. Beats on floor with fists. Turns red and screams bloody murder)

Waaaaaaaaaaaa! I want my flag!

(Callahan realizes that resistance is futile and dusts self off. Looks around. Upon the realization that nobody seen this breakdown, he walks away like nothing happened, hoping to get flagged to the next thread.)

8 posted on 10/04/2001 8:16:52 AM PDT by Inspector Harry Callahan
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To: Nightbird

I watched it, and Earley wiped the floor with that Yankee game-show host. I never realized how bad Warner really is, but the guy is positively Gore-like, but instead of Prince Albert's overbearing condesenscion, Warner is all nervous robotics.

I wanted to reach through my television and strangle that little prig Warner when just after 11 Sept he started running ads with him draped in the flag and saying something like, "in these difficult times, we should not be running negative ads, but that is just what my opponent is doing blah blah blah." What a LOWLIFE.

9 posted on 10/04/2001 8:21:30 AM PDT by Zviadist
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Earley needs two things: 1) Money and 2) George W. Bush.

Agreed. Money should start to roll in now. Donations always pour into campaigns later in the game, it is officially "later". I agree that GW will stump AT LEAST once for Earley but it will be on the eve of the election. He simply cannot make partisan appearances right now. It would be the divisive fodder that the left would load their demogogue cannon with. Hopefully Gilmore and Bush realize that and postpone any kind of stumping until the very last minute.

Callahan

10 posted on 10/04/2001 8:22:39 AM PDT by Inspector Harry Callahan
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To: mike2right
I read of FR that Earley is behind by 9%--do you think that the debate helped his cause?
11 posted on 10/04/2001 8:32:30 AM PDT by MHT
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To: MHT
I read of FR that Earley is behind by 9%--do you think that the debate helped his cause?

It depends on how many actually watched. I think the news reports are favoring Earley. But the vast majority of those who watch the debates have already made up their mind.

Unfortunately, the 9% number is fairly accurate.

13 posted on 10/04/2001 8:50:56 AM PDT by Ward Smythe
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To: cogitator
I saw the debate. I thought Warner was irritable and argumentative, evasive and double-talking like Bill Clinton as described in yesterday's RTD editorial posted on another thread. For some reason, I have a soft spot in my heart for Doug Wilder and I thought he was great. Earley's answers were well thought-out and explanatory. Here's Mark Earley's take:
Mark Earley Wins 3rd Debate -- Renews Opposition to Higher Taxes while Warner Backpedals, Contradicts Himself.

In an impressive performance, Republican gubernatorial candidate Mark Earley last evening reaffirmed his opposition to new taxes and called his opponent's transportation plan -- which relies on a $900 million sales tax increase -- irresponsible and reckless to propose in a weak economy. Mark was fantastic!

Click here to read the press release: Mark Earley

Tell WTVR-TV6 why you think Mark Earley won the debate! Click here: POLL

Mark needs your support! We have the most intense time of the campaign in front of us. We need your financial support to make sure our TV spots can get and stay on the air! Please click on the link below to help Mark Earley spread his message across Virginia: DONATE

Get involved in the next debate! The Roanoke debate at 8pm on Sunday, October 7, 2001 (moderated by political pundit & UVa Professor Larry J. Sabato) will be broadcast by several television stations, including C-Span. The public is invited to submit questions for the "Electronic Town Hall" portion of the debate via the Center for Governmental Studies website, Good Politics.org. Questions will be accepted through Friday, October 5th.

TV Stations scheduled to air the Sunday debate include:
WWBT (NBC- Richmond)
WCVE (PBS-Richmond)
WDBJ (CBS-Roanoke)
WVEC (ABC-Norfolk)
WJLA (ABC-Washington)
NewsChannel 8 (Washington Metro Cable)
WVIR (NBC-Charlottesville/Harrisonburg)
WHTJ (PBS-Charlottesville)
WCYB (NBC-Bristol) will tape-delay the debate and air it the same night at 10pm.
C-SPAN;

Radio stations including:
Virginia News Network (radio affiliates statewide)
WCVE-Richmond

To participate in this Sunday's debate, please submit questions in the "Electronic Town Hall" at: Good Politics.org

**********************************************************************

I'm off to distribute an education piece at a back-to-school night.

14 posted on 10/04/2001 2:08:11 PM PDT by Ligeia
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To: Nightbird
The guy has a major dork effect working against him

Thank you! :-) I've been talking about Warner's dork factor for a while now.

By the way, if you or any other Virginian would like an Earley for Governor or Veterans for Earley bumper sticker or two, just FReepmail me your name/address (which will not be shared), and I'll be happy to send them along free of charge.

15 posted on 10/04/2001 4:18:19 PM PDT by Coop
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There's some new blood at campaign HQ that has helped to put things back on track.

I think you're right. Last week was sorta active at NoVa headquarters, but last night I met at least one new person from the RNC. And that place was humming!

16 posted on 10/04/2001 4:19:24 PM PDT by Coop
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To: MHT
I read of FR that Earley is behind by 9%--do you think that the debate helped his cause?

You again. Well then, dear reader, you also read that two other very recent polls showed a 6-point and 3-point deficit. Both of those polls were published, while the alleged 9-point deficit is from an unconfirmed internal GOP poll.

17 posted on 10/04/2001 4:21:26 PM PDT by Coop
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To: Nightbird
Interesting Strategy he's using trying to siphon support from GOP by turning the state against Northern Virginia.
Saying that NOVA should shoulder the burden of the improvements to NOVA's infrastructure. Of course NOVA's
taxes would still be used to support other areas of the state. Wonder if Joe Sixpack Independent wouldn't like
to see NOVA get their comeuppance. I still think Earleys got to have the upperhand in the end.

Yes I live in NOVA (Northern Virginia)
18 posted on 10/04/2001 4:29:00 PM PDT by ottersnot
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To: ottersnot
Of course Ottersnot is referring to Warner's strategy. Poor editing Ottersnot!


Ottersnot
19 posted on 10/04/2001 4:37:05 PM PDT by ottersnot
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To: Nightbird
>> watched it, and Earley wiped the floor with that Yankee game-show host <<

Why is it that whenever you guys dislike something, you always refer to him/her/it as a "yankee". As anyone from a foriegn country will tell you, "yankees" (as in AMERICANS) are about to rid the world of Osama bin Laden. "Yankees" represent true American patriots, and they always have since the 1700s. If you insist on pretending only people from state's north of Mason Dixon line are "yankees", I would say neither Warner nor Earley apply, since they've been in Virgina for decades.

Here's what Mark Warner is: a southern-Democrat machine candidate trying to run in one of the few southern states that treads HEAVILY Republican. This fact should spell doom for in the November election, if not for so many "consevatives" throwing a temper-tamtrum over Earley.

As for the yankees, the brits will tell you many of our fine southern YANKEES came from the same of Virgina. It's no concidence they got sick of hearing the song "yankee doodle" everytime George Washington and his boys came marching down the path.

20 posted on 10/04/2001 4:39:27 PM PDT by BillyBoy
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