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National ID cards would be the dragnet we need
Seattle Times ^ | 10/4/01 | Nicholas G. Jenkins and Amit Rind

Posted on 10/04/2001 8:13:04 AM PDT by goodnesswins

Guest Columnists

National ID cards would be the dragnet we need

By Nicholas G. Jenkins and Amit Rind Special to The Times

Flip around the news channels and you will find politicians talking about what America must do to prevent Sept. 11, 2001, from happening again. "We'll get tough," they all say, but we will also make sure to safeguard our civil liberties. They know the buzzwords we like to hear. That's why they got elected.

So far, we like most of what we see. Banning knives from airplane cabins will certainly make it harder to hijack planes. Stronger money-laundering laws and increased surveillance powers for people suspected of terrorist activities will undoubtedly make domestic terrorism a tougher business. But nothing we have seen so far does anything about the would-be terrorists who quietly reside in the United States illegally who aren't yet terrorist suspects. How many of them there are among the estimated 8 million illegal residents in this country we do not know: We do know that 15 of them are no longer with us — they were among the 19 Islamic fundamentalists who killed some 6,000 innocent people on that fateful day.

Short of a knock-on-every-door dragnet, there is no easy way to find them. But a dragnet is needed. The one we favor is one that Germany, Austria, France, Greece, Spain, Hong Kong, Belgium and the Netherlands have already, and Australia and England are seriously considering — a national citizenship/identification card.

Here's how it would work. By some date certain, every citizen and lawful resident would be required to obtain a tamper-proof national identification card. To protect against counterfeiting, the card would be encoded with some type of biometric data — a fingerprint, retina scan, voice pattern, or blood sample — and include a hologram, like we see today on most driver's licenses.

Temporary residents' and visitors' cards would include expiration dates. The governing federal agency would offer an incentive to illegal immigrants to come forward by agreeing not to immediately deport them, or by giving amnesty or permanent work visas to select immigrants who meet certain criteria. By doing this, we would learn the whereabouts of millions of illegal immigrants that the Immigration and Naturalization Service admits it has lost track of. If you think this sounds like a roundup, you're right. It is.

After our date certain, ID cards would weed out people illegally here in two ways. First and foremost, it will be impossible for people without ID cards to move unseen through the American landscape. Getting on a plane? Collecting federal benefits? Opening a bank account? Activating utilities? Obtaining health care? Cashing a check? Getting a job? Not possible without a card, and just as most activities are in many European countries.

Second, not having an ID card would be grounds for immediate deportation. Federal, state and local law enforcement would play key roles here. For all stops, detentions and arrests, police would require ID cards. A person unable to produce his card would be detained, whereby law enforcement would determine whether he is legally in the United States by accessing a national database. People not determined legal would be arrested and given a hearing post haste to show cause why they should not be deported. Long branded the stuff of Big Brother by opponents, ID cards would make little difference to legal U.S. citizens. Police would still need reasonable suspicion to stop us for suspected unlawful activity. This comprehensive program would do more than find illegal residents. It would save taxpaying American citizens billions in tax and welfare fraud by eliminating a major incentive for illegal immigration — free government benefits. (Australia estimates that ID cards would save it $1 billion annually in welfare benefits.) Plastic ID cards are not the only weapons needed to combat domestic terrorism, and they are not a catchall. They would not catch the Timothy McVeighs of the world — U.S. citizens who also happen to be terrorists. They would also not be problem-free. The program will certainly pose administrative challenges. And insofar as it might lead to the deportations of migrant workers who pose no security threat to the United States, a national ID card will also probably lead to marginal increases in the price of goods they produce — namely textiles and produce.

We can live with paying more for T-shirts and apples. What we cannot live with is knowing that next year we may break bread with a guy who is planning to poison our water supply, but who remains in this country because our tough-talking politicians are too addicted to the rhetoric of rights to require citizens to carry around a three-inch piece of plastic.

We're all for "smokin' 'em out," as President Bush put it. If our eyes get just a little irritated, so be it.

Nicholas G. Jenkins is co-founder and Amit Rind is a staff writer at TheFence.com, an Internet debate site based in Seattle.


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THIS is VERY SCARY......and what would happen if someone said...."I lost my card" (Like the dog ate my homework?) ID cards for all aliens living in this country, YES, but NOT for law abiding citizens.
1 posted on 10/04/2001 8:13:04 AM PDT by goodnesswins
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To: goodnesswins
ID this Mr. Jenkins.
2 posted on 10/04/2001 8:18:58 AM PDT by wysiwyg
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To: goodnesswins
Have Jenkins or Rind ever read Orwell?
3 posted on 10/04/2001 8:20:29 AM PDT by downwithsocialism
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To: goodnesswins
Has there ever been a tragedy, large or small, that the home-grown Nazis and Commies didn't exploit in an attempt to advance their filthy little anti-American agendas?
4 posted on 10/04/2001 8:22:18 AM PDT by DWSUWF
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To: DWSUWF
YEAH....I keep thinking....why don't we just let the gov't tattoo us at birth.......these idiots probably don't know what that relates to....and the Seattle Times had the audacity to expose them...with the publishing of this.
5 posted on 10/04/2001 8:28:02 AM PDT by goodnesswins
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To: riley1992
Yoo-hoo!

Here's another enlightened idiot.

6 posted on 10/04/2001 8:28:22 AM PDT by NoCurrentFreeperByThatName
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To: goodnesswins
Aiming at the wrong target, as usual. The solution is very simple. Deport illegal aliens. NOW.

Let's try a little experiment here. I suggest the City of Seattle, along with the staff at the Seattle Times, be the first to volunteer for this National ID card. Then watch the terrorists bomb Space Needle and then we can ask anyone who is left, how having that holographic ID in their wallet helped to keep them safe.

The answers may be very interesting.

7 posted on 10/04/2001 8:29:36 AM PDT by pray4liberty
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To: goodnesswins
Your papers, zey are not in order.

Come vith us.

8 posted on 10/04/2001 8:33:34 AM PDT by Ego
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To: goodnesswins
A National ID Card based on a National DNA Base. Doesn't get much scarier than that. Hitler would have drooled.
9 posted on 10/04/2001 8:35:38 AM PDT by al-andalus
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To: goodnesswins
Here's how it would work. By some date certain, every citizen and lawful resident would be required to obtain a tamper-proof national identification card.

And this would have caught Timmothy McVeigh by...?

Let us not forget that terrorism comes in all flavors.

10 posted on 10/04/2001 8:36:03 AM PDT by Yo-Yo
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To: wysiwyg
I think you mean, ID this!

{^} J {^}

11 posted on 10/04/2001 8:36:49 AM PDT by Sir Gawain
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To: downwithsocialism
Have Jenkins or Rind ever read Orwell?

Even if they did, what with today's sorry state of content-free and context-free education, would they even understand Orwell?

12 posted on 10/04/2001 8:37:01 AM PDT by Jay W
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To: goodnesswins
"National ID cards" would be worthless against terrorism - because nobody issuing them would know that any of the many aliens already here from hostile nations would be who they claimed, as their homelands sure wouldn't cooperate in identifying them.

And let's face another political reality. With millions of Mexican illegals in the U.S., how would they be handled - particularly being that their ethnic kinsmen are so politically dominant in the state half of them live in, Kalifornia? How would anyone know that "Pedro" was really Pedro and not Juan when he applied for his "national ID card" and showed his driver's license, saying his birth certificate was a thousand miles away in Mexico? Would the Mexican government even cooperate in such a scheme?

Before the elites of the U.S. even dare talk about forcing the overwhelming majority of U.S. residents (native-born Americans) into a coast-to-coast gulag where we are forced to carry Nazi-type "papers," it's time to do something serious about terrorism - deport all Arab and Moslem aliens; they don't have a right to live here while their home societies attack us.

And - if any "national ID card" is imposed - it's time for "civil disobedience" to an extent Rosa Parks blushes.

Local phone numbers for reporting Arab illegal aliens

13 posted on 10/04/2001 8:39:01 AM PDT by glc1173@aol.com
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To: goodnesswins
Implement a national ID card like this one and the terrorists will have won. They will have changed our way of life forever. For the worse...
14 posted on 10/04/2001 8:40:09 AM PDT by freedomcrusader
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To: goodnesswins
They don't enforce the CURRENT visa laws. I can imagine the first time the try to detain or deport a minority - the hinges would come off. As much as it may "seem like a good idea at the time", this info will inevitably fall into the wrong hands, just as the FBI files fell into Clinton's clutches for blackmail. No, thanks.
15 posted on 10/04/2001 8:41:57 AM PDT by lds23
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To: NoCurrentFreeperByThatName
What we cannot live with is knowing that next year we may break bread with a guy who is planning to poison our water supply, but who remains in this country because our tough-talking politicians are too addicted to the rhetoric of rights to require citizens to carry around a three-inch piece of plastic.

No, moron, what we cannot live with are spineless pols who refuse to clamp down on the illegal immigration that is fostering these nutjobs in the first place.

16 posted on 10/04/2001 8:42:45 AM PDT by riley1992
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To: glc1173@aol.com
Cool. Can we have ID burning parties like the lefties had draft card burning parties in the '60's?

I'll bring the matches!
17 posted on 10/04/2001 8:43:24 AM PDT by Black Agnes
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To: Black Agnes
'I'll bring the matches'

Great idea but something tells me they'd make these things fireproof.
18 posted on 10/04/2001 8:46:26 AM PDT by al-andalus
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To: Black Agnes
Can we have ID burning parties like the lefties had draft card burning parties in the '60's?

Why yes, we can.

l bring the matches!

And I'll bring the keg.

19 posted on 10/04/2001 8:46:51 AM PDT by freeeee
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