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What Became of Tolerance in Islam?
L.A. Times ^ | Sept. 14, 2001 | Khaled Abou El Fadl

Posted on 10/04/2001 4:40:56 PM PDT by ChocChipCookie

Edited on 09/03/2002 4:49:21 AM PDT by Jim Robinson. [history]

Extreme acts of violence and evil such as the recent terrorist attacks test the mettle and moral depth of societies

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This professor was Dennis Prager's guest today for the full three hours. I was very impressed because he is the only Muslim that I've heard, so far, who presents a very honest and objective view of his religion. Unfortunately, I don't think the program was archived anywhere on line, but Dennis said that he has read this particular article several times and has learned something new each time.

This is the very first article I've ever posted. I hope I did it correctly.

1 posted on 10/04/2001 4:40:56 PM PDT by ChocChipCookie
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I think he forgets that we have sat by and did nothing while Muslims slaughtered millions of Christians in Africa the past few years, we ignored the TWA 800 crash, we did nothing about the US embassy in Africa. We did do something about Japan attacking us and they never did it again.
2 posted on 10/04/2001 4:45:21 PM PDT by FITZ
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To: ChocChipCookie,FITZ,Common Tator,snopercod,Alamo-Girl,mercy,JeanS
Not only did you do good, but it is an excellent article.
3 posted on 10/04/2001 4:49:27 PM PDT by First_Salute
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To: Turan,dennisw,veronica,brityank,Covenantor
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4 posted on 10/04/2001 4:51:55 PM PDT by First_Salute
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To: Lazamataz,RJayneJ,mommadooo3,Stand Watch Listen,JohnHuang2,kattracks
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5 posted on 10/04/2001 4:53:03 PM PDT by First_Salute
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To: ChocChipCookie
Good post, fascinating article.
Congrats!
......hmmm, a 'zony eh?
6 posted on 10/04/2001 4:53:23 PM PDT by KirklandJunction
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To: majordivit,NewAmsterdam,DallasDeb
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7 posted on 10/04/2001 4:55:53 PM PDT by First_Salute
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Fascinating article. I wonder if the author is a Sufi?
8 posted on 10/04/2001 4:58:50 PM PDT by ikanakattara
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9 posted on 10/04/2001 5:01:16 PM PDT by First_Salute
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10 posted on 10/04/2001 5:04:34 PM PDT by First_Salute
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". The Islamic civilization has been wiped out by an aggressive and racist European civilization. Colonialism and the expulsion of Palestinians happened. "

This is simply not true, and to ignore the role of that nasty little papa-of-all-terrorists Yassar Arafat is to throw doubt on the rest of the facts in this article. The Palestians were never expelled - the Jewish people were. Read "From Time Immemorial" by Joan Peterson and the wool will fall from your eyes Prof. Khaled Abou El Fadl.

Islam has lost its glorious patina and needs slightly more than a quick glance in the academic mirror.

11 posted on 10/04/2001 5:05:00 PM PDT by steenkeenbadges
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Link to Khaled Abou El Fadl

Acting Professor of Law
The Omar and Azmeralda Alfi Distinguished Fellow in Islamic Law
Born Kuwait 1963, raised in Egypt and Kuwait
B.A. Yale, 1986
J.D. University of Pennsylvania, 1989
Ph.D. Islamic Studies, Princeton, 1999
UCLA Law faculty since 1998.

Khaled Abou El Fadl is one of the leading authorities in Islamic law in the United States and Europe. His personal library contains over 6500 Islamic books and manuscripts, some dating from the thirteenth century. He teaches Islamic law, Middle Eastern Investment Law, Immigration Law, and courses related to human rights and terrorism. He works with various human rights organizations, such as Human Rights Watch and the Lawyer's Committee for Human Rights. He often serves as an expert witness in international litigation involving Middle Eastern law, and in cases involving immigration law and political asylum claims.

Professor Abou El Fadl was trained in Islamic legal sciences in Egypt, Kuwait, and the United States. After law school, he clerked for Arizona Supreme Court Justice J. Moeller. While in graduate school, he also practiced immigration and investment law in the United States and the Middle East. He previously has taught at the University of Texas at Austin, Yale Law School, and Princeton University. He is an avid fan of the Egyptian diva Umm Kulthum.

Professor Abou El Fadl's books include: Conference of the Books: The Search for Beauty in Islam (2001); Rebellion in Islamic Law (2001); Speaking in God's Name: Islamic Law, Authority and Women (2001); and And God Knows the Soldiers: The Authoritative and Authoritarian in Islamic Discourse (2nd ed. revised and expanded, 2001).

12 posted on 10/04/2001 5:13:36 PM PDT by First_Salute
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To: steenkeenbadges
Please read the entire article. You may find some balance.
13 posted on 10/04/2001 5:14:54 PM PDT by First_Salute
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14 posted on 10/04/2001 5:16:38 PM PDT by First_Salute
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15 posted on 10/04/2001 5:20:08 PM PDT by First_Salute
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I'll reread the article alter when the toubled heart settles down.

It occured to me that the internment camps were a blot on our past. The Japanese were rounded up, locked up, due to another country (Japan) attacking the US. The Japanese locked up, were for the most part, quietly abiding by American rules. They were put away, even though there was no evidence that they were a threat to this country.

NOW, about those Islams.....

16 posted on 10/04/2001 5:23:14 PM PDT by mommadooo3
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Link to OneWorld Publications [book: Speaking in God's Name Islamic Law, Authority and Women]

by Khaled Abou El-Fadl

A challenging new book that reviews the ethics at the heart of the Islamic legal system, and suggests that these laws have often been misinterpreted by authoritarian readings of the sources, resulting in the repression of Muslim women. Using both religious and secular sources, the author proposes a new approach that returns to the original spirit of the Muslim legal system in a provocative and thoughtful book that should be required reading for all those interested in Islam, law or women's rights.

17 posted on 10/04/2001 5:27:28 PM PDT by First_Salute
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BTW... I DID see an interview with a islam scholar, who seemed to honestly denounce the things committed in the name of islam. Said that bin larder had absolutely no right to lay the islam title to his dirty deeds. Yadda, yadda. But yet, there is NO public outcry or defrocking of bin larder, by the islam group. No one is denouncing him as a heretic or disowning him. No one is saying that they, the islams, will aid in the capture and meting of justice to bin larder.

One last thing.... I LONG for the day when it will be said, 'what became of tolerance in the USA'. (tolerance, to me, is just another way of saying, PC)

18 posted on 10/04/2001 5:33:37 PM PDT by mommadooo3
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Ya' done good. Thanks.
19 posted on 10/04/2001 5:34:47 PM PDT by snopercod
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Link to Cambridge Books [book: Rebellion and Violence in Islamic Law]

by Khaled Abou El Fadl

Khaled Abou El Fadl's book represents the first systematic examination of the idea and treatment of political resistance and rebellion in Islamic law. Pre-modern jurists produced an extensive and sophisticated discourse on the legality of rebellion and the treatment due to rebels under Islamic law. The book examines the emergence and development of these discourses from the eighth to the fifteenth centuries, and considers juristic responses to the various terror-inducing strategies employed by rebels--including assassination, stealth attacks and rape. The study demonstrates how Muslim jurists went about restructuring several competing doctrinal sources in order to construct a highly technical discourse on rebellion. Indeed many of these rulings may have a profound influence on contempoary practices. This is an important and challenging book which sheds light on the complexities of Islamic law, and pre-modern attitudes to dissidence and rebellion.

20 posted on 10/04/2001 5:35:24 PM PDT by First_Salute
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