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World would have been better off if Islam conquered Europe (My title)
Failure Magazine ^ | Jack Stesney

Posted on 10/08/2001 9:19:54 PM PDT by SoCal Pubbie

IT'S HAMMERTIME Europe vs. the Arabs: A Contrast in Cultures

There was a time when very few Europeans were literate. This period of history is known as the Dark Ages, and because so few records were kept scholars know very little about what happened. There were no real cities, no large scale manufacturing and long distance trade was limited. Government was rudimentary and based on personal relations and/or force so the power of a ruler, king, or noble generally extended only to the points of his soldier’s weapons. Most importantly, there was little learning, and most of that was directed towards the study of law and theology. It would take another 700 years, until the 15th century, before learning and innovation would become common and allow the development of the modern world to begin.

In the Arab world the situation was quite different. Government was well organized and there was an effective bureaucracy that allowed a central authority to extend its control over a wide area. Long distance trade was common and Arab merchants imported foreign ideas along with foreign goods.

Literacy, though by no means universal, was common enough that many ordinary people could claim the skill.

While it’s true that before embracing Islam the Arabs did not have an intellectual tradition, after their conversion an emphasis on the Qur’an [or Koran] and its interpretation produced a high regard for learning. As they came into contact with Indian, Persian, and especially Greek cultures they behaved like sponges, soaking up every bit of knowledge they encountered—most of which was eventually passed on to the Europeans.

"How could the Europeans have known that their despised enemies would have been both conqueror and savior?"

From the Greeks the Arabs became familiar with the philosophy of Aristotle, the medical treatises of Galen, and the mathematics of Euclid. From the Persians they gained an appreciation for literature. But it was from the Indians that they became familiar with two mathematical ideas that have proven to be of incalculable value to science (to say nothing of allowing us to balance our checkbooks). These are what we call Arabic numbers and decimal notation, both of which we use every day. (Europe was still using Roman numerals, that collection of M’s, D’s , C’s and the like, that only appear in movie credits, thus ensuring that no one can tell when the picture was made.) Arabic numbers and decimal notation are two key mathematical ideas and part of the most basic principles that have allowed modern science and technology to develop.

This isn’t to say that the Arabs were mere copiers and translators of the ideas of others. They made significant contributions to all areas of learning, with their most important work in the fields of astronomy, alchemy [the precursor of chemistry], geography and mathematics.

They built observatories to improve the database for the tracking of the sun, moon, and the planets and were able to measure the diameter of the earth with fair accuracy. In alchemy they introduced the idea of observation by means of experiments. Their activities as traders allowed them to accumulate information on foreign countries so they were able to produce maps that were more accurate than those of their contemporaries. They made significant advances in algebra [the word itself is Arabic] and arithmetic. They could easily handle both long division and the calculation of square roots by processes that are still taught today in modern schools around the world.

All of these concepts eventually found their way to Europe but moved very slowly. Not only was there no e-mail, but there was no printing press, so books had to be laboriously copied by hand. Even if books were available, they would be written in Arabic, a language not very well known in Europe.

Finally, the few European scholars that lived at that time were not especially interested in science or anything else that originated with ‘those heathens.’ As a result, this transfer of knowledge was probably delayed by 200 years. When it finally arrived, it provided the spark and formed the basis for that great leap forward in the 1300s called the Renaissance. How could the Europeans have known that their despised enemies, the Arabs, would have been both conqueror and savior, preventing their plunge into the Dark Ages?

Europe vs. the Arabs: The Great Contest Despite their sophistication, the Arabs regarded the Europeans not just as an enemy but also as a great evil on the face of the earth, and the Europeans felt likewise. But to understand why the Arabs, a small group of desert nomads, set out on a path towards world conquest, you have to examine their motivation.

Sometime around 610, in what is now western Arabia, the man we know as the prophet Muhammad was divinely inspired to record a series of messages that were transmitted to him from God. The resultant book is the familiar Qur’an. To greatly oversimplify, the essence of Muhammad’s teachings was that the world was created by an all-powerful God and that someday the world would end. God would judge human beings individually and those who had submitted to His Will would attain heaven and those who had not would be damned to hell. Submission to God’s Will would be demonstrated by observing a number of moral/ethical strictures and by the performance of specific religious rituals, the details of which were spelled out in the Qur’an. In the field of religion, none of this sounds very radical.

We should point out however that the injunctions of the Qur’an cover a wide range of activities and to many, if not all orthodox Muslims [adherents of Islam], they are considered to control all aspects of an individual’s life. Since the rules come directly from God, they are to be followed without question.

One of these rules is given in a statement attributed to Muhammad the year before his death in 632. It goes something like this: "Every Muslim is a Muslim’s brother. The Muslim’s are thus brethren and fighting between them should be avoided. Muslims should fight all other men until they say, ‘There is no god but God.’" This can be (and has been) interpreted as a command to spread the Islamic religion by any and all means—including force.

This message resonated with the Arab people, who began to expand in all directions, spreading their religion and culture. Within a brief span of 125 years their conquests extended to what is now Pakistan in the east, to Spain in the west, and as far north as Central Asia, where they defeated Chinese armies advancing westward. As they entered non-Arab territories, the indigenous populations were converted to Islam (in many cases, quite willingly) and provided new recruits for the Arab armies. It resembled a real-life game of Risk™, where victory breeds victory and a daring player can, with a little bit of luck—or as a Muslim would say, ‘God willing,’—conquer everything.

"It resembled a real-life game of Risk™. . ." By the early 700s, the Arab conquest of North Africa was complete and they could look across the Straits of Gibraltar and see Spain, or as it was then called, Iberia. Spain was ruled by the Visigoths, a Germanic people that had invaded the peninsula some 200 years previously, but had never solidified their political power. This Spanish political weakness combined with their own religious fervor proved to be an irresistible temptation to the Arabs.

On to Spain The Arab viceroy in North Africa, Musa ben Nosair, had already raised an army from the native population of Berbers, a semi-nomadic people whose descendants still inhabit the area. In July, 711, he sent a force comprised of 7,000 horsemen, armed with swords and bows and arrows, across the Straits under the command of a general known only as Tarik. These troops were unopposed and soon followed by 5,000 more.

The Visigoth king, Roderic, gathered what forces he could and moved south from his capital at Toledo to meet the Arabs. In late July, the two armies met, south of Seville on the banks of the Rio Guadalete. The rain of arrows and repeated charges of the sword wielding horsemen were too much for the Visigoth foot soldiers, who fled the battlefield in panic. The fate of Roderic is unknown. The only traces of him after the battle were his horse and one of his boots.

Roderic’s defeat left Spain defenseless. Within a few months, Tarik’s army—which had been joined by the viceroy Musa (who knew a victory parade when he saw one)—had captured Cordoba, Seville and Toledo, and Spain was annexed into the Islamic Empire. A leisurely mopping up followed and by 718 all of the peninsula, except for the far northwest—inhabited by the Basques—was firmly in Arab hands. (Incidentally, no one has ever really succeeded in conquering the Basques, who today still insist on speaking their own language and occasionally detonate bombs in Madrid to emphasize their desire for independence). But even before 718, the conquerors were greedily eyeing the lands north of the Pyrenees mountains—the place we now call France.

On to France (Here Comes the Hammer) The Frankish kingdom would not be as easily conquered as Spain, even though it shared many of the same problems. Raids into France began as soon as the Arabs reached the border and in 719 a large, permanent, fortified base was established at Narbonne, on the Frankish side of the mountains. From this citadel, the Arabs mounted numerous expeditions into central France, looting churches and monasteries and generally raising hell, but not attempting to occupy the territory.

Finally, in 732, the governor of Cordoba, with the rather unwieldy name of Abd-al-Rahman ibn-Abdullah-al-Ghafiqi, led a large army into southern France, and defeated forces commanded by Eudes, Duke of Aquitane. While the Arabs busied themselves with enjoying the fruits of their victory, the duke hurried north to beg what help he could. Enter Charles, an able and ambitious man and longtime foe of Eudes, who as Mayor of the Palace, enjoyed more power than the king. Charles moved south at the head of his soldiers and came into contact with the Arabs somewhere near Tours in October, 732.

The details of the encounter are hazy. The Arabs, as the eventual losers, weren’t particularly inclined to record the event, and there were few, if any, Franks present who knew how to write. As best we can tell, the battle went something like this. . . .

The Battle of Tours (Please Hammer, Don’t Hurt ’Em) For several days, the horse-mounted soldiers of both armies engaged in a series of skirmishes. Finally, on what was probably a Saturday afternoon, the Arabs attacked the main body of Frankish foot soldiers. These infantrymen must have presented a fearsome sight. Their main weapon was asingle-edged, straight, pointed sword called a scramasax that was carried in a scabbard hung from the waist. Some may have also carried a short-handled, double-bladed throwing ax, a weapon that was falling out of favor by that time. Many of them had shields and a few may have even worn a helmet. They didn’t bother to cut their hair, which hung down past their shoulders in a matted mass, and wore clothing that ofttimes featured animal skins.

The Arab horseman was typically armed with a scimitar, a curved single-edged sword used for slashing. They wore robes and generally looked like what we are used to seeing in movies like "Lawrence of Arabia." These horsemen repeatedly charged the Franks, but as a means of defense the Franks adopted the formation of a hollow square so that they faced out on all sides. Swinging their scramasaxes, they cut down Arabs left and right, including Abd-al-Rahman himself. The melee lasted until the sun went down, whereby the survivors of both armies returned to their respective camps for the night. When dawn broke on Sunday, the Franks were in arms, awaiting the expected Arab attack, but there were no horsemen to be found. Charles suspected a trap but it soon became apparent that, under cover of darkness, the Arabs had retreated to the south.

The Battle of Tours was the high water mark of the Arab invasion of Europe. Although the Arabs would continue their raids into Frankish territory, they would never again assemble as large an attacking force nor would they again penetrate as far north. More importantly, at no time would they again attempt to increase the boundaries of the areas under their permanent control and it would not be long before the Franks would begin to push them back. Although it took hundreds of years, they were finally driven out of France and Spain and back into Africa. Charles added ‘Martel’ [the Hammer] to his name and is known today as one of the saviors of Europe. Unfortunately for the Europeans and the rest of us, Charles may have saved the world from something better.

Too Bad We’re Not Speaking Arabic Now, suppose the Arabs had been successful and continued to advance into Europe, bringing knowledge and culture with them? For one thing, today’s world would probably contain more mosques and fewer churches and this article would probably be written in Arab script rather than Latin letters. Maybe that’s not terribly significant, but if Arab knowledge were transferred to Europe beginning in the ’700s it might have proved momentous. Would the Renaissance have begun 200 years earlier? Since gifted people seem to inhabit all time periods, it is reasonable to assume that science and its attendant technology would have proceeded to develop at the same pace regardless of when it started, making modern society significantly more advanced.

"The Internet, if we still had one, would now be over 200 years old. . ." Today, Western culture and technology are the dominant force in the world, while the Arabs—except those who happen to be sitting on a lot of oil—are people with a relatively small influence. So it’s fair to ask why the Arab’s did not continue their scientific advances. After all, they had this technology before the Europeans but still managed to lose the race to the future. Why? One answer is that the rigid doctrines of the Qur’an led them into an intellectual cul-de-sac. They became more interested in analyzing and interpreting the past rather than striking out in new directions in order to change the future. Further, since they had a well-organized scheme of government, once they decided on a course of action, they could impose that decision from one end of the empire to the other.

Suppose then that the Arabs had been successful in their conquest plans. How likely is it that this anti-innovation tendency would have taken root in Europe and instead of a great leap forward we had a great stagnation? This sort of result is possible but not very probable. History shows that even though the Arabs occupied Spain for hundreds of years, they were never able to suppress the underlying Spanish culture and to some degree even supported it. It seems reasonable to conclude that if the Arab conquest extended to Northern Europe, the same situation would have prevailed, especially since this culture emphasized individualism. After all, it was these same Northern Europeans who, after shaking off the effects of their homegrown Christian religious conformity and being exposed to Arab learning, were able to develop that combination of individuality and curiosity that fostered the rise of modern science.

The Final Analysis Assessing personal or historic events is hardly a simple matter, as the answer often depends on who is asking the question and where they are standing in time when they ask it. Back in 732 both the Arabs and the Franks agreed who won the Battle of Tours—the Franks. They won because their gold cups were not carried off and their wives and daughters did not end up in Arab bedrooms or kitchens. But as we see the twists and turns history has taken as a result of this event our perspective changes. It is also true that the issues that were so important to the Frankish warriors—presumably, their cups and their women—have no impact on us today.

As a result, when the modern Westerner looks back at the battle he or she might view its outcome quite differently. Since the Western world places such a high value on science and technology for its beneficial effect on all mankind, we can further conclude that we would be a lot better off if technology had a two hundred year head start. If this were true, the Internet, if we still had one, would now be over 200 years old and mankind might have started to colonize the planets 100 years ago. Millions of deaths that occurred because of a lack of medical knowledge might have been avoided. We don’t know specifically what the world would look like because we have no idea as to the direction that technology will take us. After all, if someone had asked George Washington to predict something about 2000, it’s a safe bet he wouldn’t have mentioned the Internet. But we would have already arrived at wherever it is technology is going.


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1 posted on 10/08/2001 9:19:54 PM PDT by SoCal Pubbie
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To: Goldhammer
Don't shoot the messenger! I didn't say I agreed with the article!
3 posted on 10/08/2001 9:34:38 PM PDT by SoCal Pubbie
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To: SoCal Pubbie
Just two thoughts:

1) The author has no interest in matters of civility, morality or human rights.

2) The author has not noticed that much of Islam is still mired in the 12th century.

Aside from these two observations, this is truly a piece of work. ;-)

Sursum Corda

4 posted on 10/08/2001 9:34:58 PM PDT by Sursum Corda
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To: SoCal Pubbie
Shortly before his death, Louis L'Amour, the dean of American Western writers, wrote a book, The Walking Drum, that takes place in Europe a century after Tours.

It's fiction, but it's one of the best books about this era I've read. He brings the differences between Moslem Spain and Dark Ages France alive and does it with genuine brilliance.

5 posted on 10/08/2001 9:39:19 PM PDT by Publius
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To: SoCal Pubbie
Let me see if I understand this guy correctly (and since it's past midnight here I might not) - he thinks that just because a culture is more advanced than another scientifically that the 'inferior' culture should submit and let itself be conquered? That they should cast off whatever values and belief they possess and just convert to Islam (since the Arabs would've forced all, or at least the majority, to convert by the sword)?

Thanks, but no thanks. They are many standards with which to judge a culture, science being just one of them. Compassion for your fellow man, humanitarianism, respect for life. Using these standards, Europe beat the Islamic world hands down.

7 posted on 10/08/2001 9:41:54 PM PDT by Rightwing Canuck
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To: SoCal Pubbie
Mohammed was studying to be a cleric, when his tutor died..he went out on his own and rewrote the Bible to suit himself...Arabs DID NOT advance algebra!! Look at them now: where is the intellect? Advancements?? Posh on this article!!
8 posted on 10/08/2001 9:44:35 PM PDT by Uglywhiteguy
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To: SoCal Pubbie
f you're going to blame Charles Martel you need to equally blame the Khazars who repeatedly stopped the Arabs from entering and conquering Europe from the East.
9 posted on 10/08/2001 9:45:30 PM PDT by meatloaf
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To: SoCal Pubbie
The Renaissance really began with the sack of Constantinople in 1204 by the Venetians and Franks, when they transported the knowledge and artifacts of the Roman Empire back to Italy and Germany (the famous horses of St. Marks Church in Venice were among the prizes). The Arabs never made a dent on New Rome's defenses (which fact was the REAL salvation of Europe, Tours being almost a sideshow in comparison). Even the much more powerful Ottoman Turks couldn't take the Byzantine capitol down until 250 years after the "backward" Crusaders, in 1453.

Thus, if the Arabs somehow had wiped out the Franks at Tours with their desert robes and weapons (and continued their looooooong, circular back door journey East back to the Bosphorus), Constantinople wouldn't have released its treasures for another couple of centuries, the Internet wouldn't be around today (and not for another two centuries), and we'd all still be writing with quills and wearing cocked hats.

This analysis is at least as valid as the crock posted above.

10 posted on 10/08/2001 9:46:23 PM PDT by KellyAdmirer
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To: SoCal Pubbie
There is good and bad in every culture at any point in history, so it is certainly possible to write an article about good things Muslims did in that time. But this article completely ignores the bad effects of Islam during the same period.

Far from saving Europe from the Dark Ages, Islam was one of the major causes of it. Its spread caused a multi-century economic depression when they blocked trade along the ancient trade routes between Europe and Asia. What finally got Europe out of the depression, and back into the lead, was the successful strategy to go around Islam and re-establish trade. The great voyages of discovery, including Columbus' voyage to the new world, were part of that plan, and saved Europe.

11 posted on 10/08/2001 9:50:04 PM PDT by Vince Ferrer
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To: SoCal Pubbie
No thoughts - only a geographic quibble: I've always been told that the battle was fought near what is now (and was)Poitiers not Tours which is about 100 kms north.

I share the author's view that Islamic thought has turned inward and backward resulting in the bizarre behavior we witness today.

Anyone who has traveled in the Arab world can tell you they are different

12 posted on 10/08/2001 9:51:18 PM PDT by ninonitti
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To: SoCal Pubbie
We are very fortunate that Europe was able to hold back the Islamic tide. At the same time, knowledge of Islamic cultures high level in those years can make us less conceited about our own subsequent successes.

As for the article, I think the author gets too caught up in his own fantasy. The Internet in 1800? Would that make the world better or worse than it actually was? Would a Muslim victory have meant a moon landing in 1769? And all the horrors of the 20th century happening in the 18th century? With industrial pollution, resource exhaustion and overpopulation reaching a crisis about the time when they actually began to take-off? Look at things from too far away and you can lose all bearings. There are far too many other factors involved to justify such simplistic conclusions.

The author looks like a very superficial person, who doesn't consider the downside of technological progress or the close relationship between Christianity and our culture. Muslim rule wasn't the greatest of evils, but if one looks more closely at the Balkans or the Caucasus, the Near East or Russia's years of the "Tatar yoke," the most likely conclusion would be that the West was lucky that it turned back the Islamic tide.

13 posted on 10/08/2001 9:57:31 PM PDT by x
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To: SoCal Pubbie
So what happened to Islam afterward? Why didn't they invent integral calculus, flight, etc. What you've described happened well over 1000 years ago. What caused their apparent MASSIVE stagnation. In the worlds of the Church Lady... Could it be perhaps... ISLAM?
14 posted on 10/08/2001 10:03:57 PM PDT by Robear
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Since they hate all this modern culture ane science. We would not have these things. Judging from the condition of their countries now, instead of flying two air planes into the towers they would have had to crash two camels into a dung heap.
15 posted on 10/08/2001 10:04:10 PM PDT by mississippi red-neck
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I do so respect earnest scholarship. The fact that I wish to get my reply in quickly before the interest fades, prevents me from doing the essay justice. I rushed to my prized book - "The Fifteen Decisive Battles Of The World" by Sir Edward Creasy (1851). Creasy quotes historian Gibbon vis: "The events that rescued our ancestors of Britain,and our neighbours of Gaul,from the civil and religious yoke of the Koran". Well, having surveyed that culture, as a raw conscript British soldier, I may say I was fascinated; to the utter contempt of my fellow comrades. No,(hesitating) I think I would prefer my own decadent Western Civilization thank you. Never could understand them fellows smoking the old ubley bubley and praying all over the bloomin' place.
16 posted on 10/08/2001 10:04:11 PM PDT by Peter Libra
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To: SoCal Pubbie
Some good history there, but some key history is *missing*, that makes this conclusion 100% wrong.

In a nutshell, he author exhibits the Western European bias that civilization in Europe was dead from 400AD to 1500AD. Let me explain why he is wrong:

The West "forgets" that half the Roman Empire was still around as of 640 AD, its capitol was Constaninople, and it along with an advanced Persian Empire, ruled the same lands that Alexander the Great, ruled. Byzantium was Christian (pre-schism of 1000AD the Orthodox Church was truly united and Catholic). The Persians were Zorastrian, with perhaps some Jews and Christians.

Much of both advanced empires were lost quickly to the Muslims forces, the Saracens, who were ruled under the Caliphs. Political/religious reasons for the loss of Empire - yes a schism, in particular Nestorism/Mononphysite schism; political reasons: the Byzantines just fought debilitating was against Persians. Both empires were weak and were asking for high taxes to pay for the wars. From 630 to 640 the new force came and in a few blows knocked off the Persians and much of Byzantium. In some cases the invaders had aplan to tax in a discriminatory way all non-Muslims. eg in Egypt. This "tax" was over time so debilitating to the Copts of Egypt that by 1500AD they were a minority and their language had been changed from Coptic to Arabic. In Persia, the Muslims were brutal and efficient in killing all who opposed their religion. They knew no other way of ruling.

Yes, Islam transmitted the learning of the Greeks. Key question: *How* did the Caliph of Baghdad learn from the Greeks??? Not directly. There was an empire in the way - Byzantium or Roman Empire centered at Constaninople. The answer is by assimilation of conquered people's culture. The Saracens invaded Persia, Egypt, Syria and North Africa, places populated by CULTURED CHRISTIANS, like the Assyrian Christians, the Coptic Christians of Egypt. The Caliphs got their knowledge from the cultures they conquered, in particular from the Christian subjects, like the Assyrians, who were earlier part of Byzantium, which was were advanced and withThe Islamic/Arab culture merely hijacked the existing advanced cultures and their existing learning.

This is as if Islam took over America today and then claiming Islam itself was responsible for the advances in our nation. The flowering of Arabian culture for a few centuries under the Abbasid Empire. But it ended ...

END -945 CE: Early Islam - A Shiite band invades Baghdad, and the Abbasid Empire becomes a powerless symbol of unity and legitimate government to the Muslim community. Until the sixteenth century, rule of Islamic civilization is decentralized and different sects are ruled by different rulers.

After about 1000 AD there was no real advances in Islamic culture. Did the Ottomans contribute to world-wide technology? "Arabic" numerals? Taken from Indians. In other respects, Europe 'learned' from Arabs things that Arabs learns from Eastern civilizations.

Over time, the Christian communities in places like Iraq, Syria, Turkey, Egypt, that once were almost entirely Christian, had their Christian heritage wiped away. There are still small Christian communities in Iraq, the Armenians, Assyrian, and Lebanese Maronite, plus Palestinian Christians, are but a small reminder that the "Fertile Crescent" was both advanced and civilized even before the birth of Mohammed.

The real mark of a civilization is whether it can contribute new things to the world, not merely be a vessel of ancient knowledge. For a time, Islamic Empires did that. But only for a time. It is a religions and belief system that is in our terms "Medieval" and has yet to advance. Contrary to the articles contention, it is quite possible that had Islam taken over Europe, our economies and politics would today be more like Syria, Iraq, and Iran - or maybe the Ottoman Empire circa 1600AD.

BTW, this may have something to do with why the Islamic Emprie ceased to be an advanced one, and slipped over time into decay:http://aina.org/martyr.htm

"During the reign of Caliph Qadir, the Muslims sacked the houses of the Christians in Baghdad, and destroyed and burned down many of their churches. The Caliph, at the same time, destroyed the church of the Resurrection in Jerusalem, and other churches in the same city. The Caliph ordered the town criers or heralds in each place to announce that, according to the will of the ruler, all his subjects should embrace his religion. The Christians and the Jews who did so should be rewarded; if they resisted, and did not change their religion, they should be punished. They were not allowed to have rings on their right hand, nor ride on a horse (only on donkeys). If they disregarded the order, their whole property was forfeited to the state, and they were expelled from the country. Many Christians emigrated to the Roman territory, others embraced Islam, but a great number remained and defied the ordinance. They wore crosses of gold and silver around their neck to show their religion. The Caliph ordered that every Christian who wore a cross of gold or silver should have it exchanged for a wooden one, weighing 4 pounds. If they resisted, they should be put to death. "

17 posted on 10/08/2001 10:05:39 PM PDT by WOSG
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I am glad to see that others find this topic as interesting as I do. I have always been taught that the Arab world was responsible for saving ancient Greek and Roman culture during the Dark Ages. On the other hand, why was there never any renaissance in the Islamic world? There must be a reason that the West passed the Islamic world, as well as the Chinese who invented so many things long ago.

I would be interested to learn more specifics of how the Dark Ages were not so dark.

18 posted on 10/08/2001 10:12:10 PM PDT by SoCal Pubbie
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To: SoCal Pubbie
Veddy interesting.
19 posted on 10/08/2001 10:12:39 PM PDT by Storm Orphan
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To: WOSG
Timeline of Assyrian History

MY contention: THE ASSYRIAN CHRISTIANS (as well as Coptic Christian Egyptians) are the MISSING LINK from the tranmission of Greek/Byzantine culture to Islam, then to the Moors, then to Western Europe.

More information on the Assyrian culture, and the Assyrian Christian church. There are reasons why the Arabist/Muslim propogandists and European-centric historians would both neglect this cutlure and people. Consider this tidbit: 80 million Christians lived in what is today mostly Muslim lands:

1200 A.D. (5950) The Church of the East is at its largest, larger than the Greek Orthodox and Roman Catholic combined, with eighty million members, from Egypt to Japan.

Here is the method of transmission of Culture ... A story FORGOTTEN BY MOST OF HISTORY:

358 A.D. (5350) The School of Nisibis is Established, the first university in the world. 400 A.D. (5150) The great translation movement. Assyrian monks, because of their close ties with Greek Christianity, translate the significant body of Greek knowledge into Assyrian, including all the great works of religion, medicine, philosophy, science, and mathematics. These works are eventually translated into Arabic and brought to Spain by the Moors, where they are translated from Arabic to Latin and distributed through Europe, igniting the Renaissance.

20 posted on 10/08/2001 10:13:53 PM PDT by WOSG
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