In most countries, after such a catastrophe, those responsible for our protection would have resigned on their own.

That's because "those responsible" are Clinton appointees and holdovers.

studentintexas: That's because "those responsible" are Clinton appointees and holdovers.

So, do we use your same logic with Waco? It occurred less than three months into Clinton's first term, when the same Bush#41 holdovers were in the FBI, BATF and Justice, who had made the same mistakes at Ruby Ridge seven months before that. See how tricky the blame game gets?
--Raoul

In America, the federal government is too busy spying on American citizens who are not terrorists. The government simply does not have enough time to concentrate on middle eastern males who are the mass murdering fanatics. There are more important things going on such as guys who MIGHT cut a shotgun a half-inch too short.

BTTT

Describing our recent "intelligence failure" does not do those worlds justification. It was a total disaster.

Four weeks prior to the WTC/Pentagon attack, the CIA was sent a special mission of high level operatives from the Mossad with a message: There will be a massive terrorist attack on the U.S. in the immediate future involving about 200 people. It will be led by people conncected with the bin Laden group and will also be closely connected with Iraq.

The attack will be led by a Dr. Alahwiri of the Egyptian fundementalist movement, and by long-time Lebanese terrorist Amad Mugniyeh. Both are connected to bin Laden.

The CIA/FBI totally failed to determine where this attack might come from and what its target might be.

There is not the slightest evidence that our two major intelligence serveices, the CIA and FBI, did the most logical thing: shake down the known members of the network to see what could be sweated out of them.

So, do we use your same logic with Waco? It occurred less than three months into Clinton's first term, when the same Bush#41 holdovers were in the FBI, BATF and Justice, who had made the same mistakes at Ruby Ridge seven months before that. See how tricky the blame game gets?

For the Ruby Ridge and the initial ATF assault on Waco, I absolutely do blame HW Bush. He failed to raise a stink about the Ruby Ridge incident, and the initial raid, complete with utterly fabricated accusations of meth labs and child sexual abuse, was planned by his people during his tenure. However, when most people talk about "Waco", they mean the compound burning down, and the fault lies with Janet "I Take Full Responsibility" Reno.

the possibility of hijacking planes being used as weapons. This threat was recognized 20 years ago or longer.

Makes one wonder how much of that previous recognition may have been the planning seeds for the WTC attack. Considering bin Laden's background and historical funding/training from the US about that same time frame, maybe those ideas impressed bin Laden.

It is just as simple as this;

'If every tool in your toolbox, is a hammer,

...You're always looking for a nail.'

Dressing up like 'Batman', and kicking in doors, is not reflective of a 'Intelligent' Intelligence Community.

Apprehending a suspect, alone and unable to access weaponry,

Is a symbol of 'Intelligence.'

Then again, if this were the standard followed, doubtless nobody would get to 'dress like 'Batman', and pretend to be a Super-hero.

studentintexas: However, when most people talk about "Waco", they mean the compound burning down, and the fault lies with Janet "I Take Full Responsibility" Reno.

That is exactly my point. I assume that it is the same in Texas as it is everyplace else: "You can't have your cake and eat it, too." If Clinton has to take full responsibility for the government's mistakes at Waco in April of his first term, then Bush needs to take full responsibility for his government's mistakes and lax security at home in September of his first term. His people were in charge of each agency and they were asleep at the switch.
Maybe it would be best to stop straining to find someone else to blame. We have rare bipartisan support behind the president and there is no sense splitting that support apart by pointing fingers at Democrats. The blame game often blows up in your face.
--Raoul