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Madison schools' pledge ban sparks fury
Milwaukee Journal Sentinel ^ | 10/09/01 | Dennis Chaptman

Posted on 10/09/2001 11:19:00 PM PDT by spf29

Madison schools' pledge ban sparks fury

Hundreds protest decision to allow only anthem

By DENNIS CHAPTMAN

Last Updated: Oct. 9, 2001

Madison - Battered by a storm of opposition to its ban on having students recite the Pledge of Allegiance, the Madison School Board will take another crack at managing schoolroom patriotism, its president said Tuesday.

On Monday, the board adopted a policy that barred reciting the pledge to comply with a new state law requiring Wisconsin schoolchildren either to say the pledge or have the national anthem played daily.

In banning the pledge, the board voted in favor of member Bill Keys' plan to instead have schools play an instrumental version of "The Star-Spangled Banner" to adhere to law.

The board's action spawned an outpouring of complaints. By 2:50 p.m. Tuesday, the district had received 426 phone calls and e-mails on the subject, with 422 opposing the new policy. Dozens more called Keys. His phone began ringing early Tuesday, and many callers angrily questioned his patriotism.

"I think it's a complete overreaction," said parent William Sampson of the ban. "Isn't 'In God We Trust' written on our money?"

Madison resident Richard Demitros added: "I think it's ridiculous that they think they can go against the rest of the world in their own little fantasy world the School Board has over there. It's just contrary to everything we believe in. If you can't pledge allegiance to this flag, then go somewhere else."

Another Madison resident, Keith Gant, was surprised the board would cave in to the complaints of a few who objected to the pledge.

"That's a pretty aggressive move for political correctness," he said. "I find the idea kind of surprising - especially with all the patriotism and loyalty happening now."

Mary Ginsberg, who has two children at Cherokee Heights Middle School, said she favors saying the pledge.

"It was fine that they were going to do the Pledge of Allegiance. The whole process was sort of goofy. It seems silly," Ginsberg said. "With what's going on now, it's probably a good idea for us to instill a little bit of national pride in our children."

The board's decision prompted the phones to start ringing at the home of Michael Furgal, state adjutant-quartermaster for the Wisconsin chapter of the Veterans of Foreign Wars.

"I've had people calling from as far away as Appleton saying they were going to bring carloads of people down here for any meeting on this," he said. "I've never seen people get this perturbed about anything."

Less than 24 hours after the board voted 3-2 to ban the pledge, school officials were doing damage control, with board President Calvin Williams saying there was confusion over what the new policy meant. Williams, who voted for the policy, called a special board meeting for Monday to revisit the issue.

Until then, schools will follow Superintendent Art Rainwater's previous policy of leaving it up to each school to decide whether the pledge or anthem will be offered.

The board's action Monday came after some parents objected to having their children recite the pledge, either for religious or political reasons. The board was looking for a middle ground, and Keys said his measure would protect children who objected to the pledge from having to recite it.

"It's the least intrusive and least offensive way to deal with this," he said. "There are people with intense religious and political beliefs and national loyalties who object."

Keys didn't buy Williams' contention that his motion was misunderstood.

"I don't know how it can be misinterpreted," Keys said. "If he wants to reconsider it, that's fine."

Williams noted the policy would not have prevented children from saying the pledge on their own or stopped teachers from using it in their lessons.

"It was simply for addressing the requirements of this law," Williams said. "It was not the board's intent to ban the Pledge of Allegiance from our schools."

The board reacted to a new state law that requires schools to offer the recitation of the pledge or the singing of the national anthem daily to students in grades one through 12. Previously, the state had required the pledge or anthem in first through eighth grades only once a week.

Assembly Speaker Scott Jensen (R-Town of Brookfield), who won inclusion of the requirement in the state budget, said he hopes Madison will allow the pledge.

"It's my hope that Madison will join the rest of the state in restoring the recitation of the Pledge of Allegiance or the singing of the national anthem each day," he said. "My goal was to re-establish a tradition most people in Wisconsin grew up with."

Furgal, of the VFW, said children need a basic underpinning in patriotism.

"I did it when I was a kid, and I did it without any major trauma to my life," he said. "It promotes patriotism.

"We're paying taxes. Why should the money go to a school system that doesn't promote America?"

The board's action also was criticized by state Rep. Steve Nass (R-Whitewater), who predicted it would draw national criticism. The policy was passed on Monday, the second day of U.S. military strikes against Afghanistan in the nation's war on terrorism.

"It is unbelievable that the Madison School Board would decide that political correctness outweighs patriotism at a time of war," Nass said. "A handful of misguided people convinced the School Board to adopt a goofy policy."

While school officials were bombarded with calls from those who opposed the decision, some parents backed the policy.

Sheila Crowley, president of the parent-teacher group at Madison's Lapham and Marquette elementary schools, said the board's decision was the correct one.

She questioned whether young children really benefit by reciting the pledge every day.

"I know it," Crowley said. "Did I know, as a second-grader, what it meant? I didn't. If they can do it in a context and talk about it with it with some age-appropriate group, maybe it would have some meaning. But kindergarten through third graders? You might as well have them say the months of the year if you want them to learn something."


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...Keys said his measure would protect children who objected to the pledge from having to recite it. "It's the least intrusive and least offensive way to deal with this," he said. "There are people with intense religious and political beliefs and national loyalties who object."

Gee, wouldn't want to offend those sensitive kids with "national loyalties" to other countries, would we?

1 posted on 10/09/2001 11:19:00 PM PDT by spf29
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To: spf29
So they're (the Madison commies) anti-American AND anti-religious, in a time of WAR.

Freep 'em.

Vote 'em out.

Nuke 'em.

2 posted on 10/09/2001 11:23:06 PM PDT by FReethesheeples
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To: spf29
About what I'd expect from the suicidal commie cradle. Reality is just so alien to them.
3 posted on 10/09/2001 11:27:03 PM PDT by Havisham
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To: spf29
bttt
4 posted on 10/09/2001 11:31:03 PM PDT by Travis McGee
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To: spf29
You pointed out, before me, the most striking and ridiculous statement in the entire piece.

And how about the president of the parent-teacher group. What a freakin PC ignoramus.
5 posted on 10/09/2001 11:34:50 PM PDT by Texas_Jarhead
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To: spf29
Gee, wouldn't want to offend those sensitive kids with "national loyalties" to other countries, would we?

No. No, we wouldn't want to offend these sensitive kids.

Instead, we should deport them to whatever hellhole countries they came from!

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By the way, the kids really aren't offended by the Pledge, the Flag, or the National Anthem. It is only the educators, the professors, and the traitorous left who is offended by the Pledge, Flag, and Anthem!

6 posted on 10/09/2001 11:38:43 PM PDT by Jay W
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To: any
If you think for a moment about the public schools and public housing we've had here in Chicago under the corrupt Daley reigns, stacking people in high-rise war-zones and whacked out on government cheese, this debate, while serious, becomes pale. Wisconsin is definitely full of soft Libs who really don't know how bad 'bad' can get, but it appears they are on their way.
7 posted on 10/09/2001 11:40:31 PM PDT by Darheel
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To: Jay W
God can't help those who are traitors, if there family is against our country, then they themselves are doomed.
8 posted on 10/09/2001 11:56:02 PM PDT by Sonny M
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To: Jay W
My employer is a native of Honduras, and is a resident alien. His children are American born. When I first went to work for him he asked if I was a Veteran. When I replied in the affirmative, he said "THANK YOU, my children are citizen's and enjoy the rights you helped them to have."

At different functions, where the Pledge of Allegiance is given, he stands in respect while the citizens recite the pledge. Obviously he has more class than the school board in Madison.

9 posted on 10/10/2001 12:02:23 AM PDT by stumpy
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To: spf29
Tuesday, the district had received 426 phone calls and e-mails on the subject, with 422 opposing the new policy.

Our FReep most definitely had an impact. This was a very hot topic on local Milwaukee talk radio today as well.

10 posted on 10/10/2001 12:02:39 AM PDT by brewcrew
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To: spf29
I think that the IRS should audit all these people who voted for a ban on the Pledge of Allegiance, since if they are that opposed to what the government does, they will obviously try to get out of paying taxes which fund the government's work.
11 posted on 10/10/2001 12:30:22 AM PDT by Excuse_Me
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To: spf29
"We're paying taxes. Why should the money go to a school that doesn't promote America?"

It seems like the whole country is starting to wake up to just how anti- American alot of the schools (and collages) are. This kind of crap does far more damage to our country than Osama and all of his merry band of mad men ever could do.

12 posted on 10/10/2001 12:55:35 AM PDT by fly_so_free
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To: spf29
"We're paying taxes. Why should the money go to a school that doesn't promote America?"

It seems like the whole country is starting to wake up to just how anti- American alot of the schools (and colleges) are. This kind of teach-the-children-to-hate-their-country crap does far more damage to our nation than Osama and all of his merry band of mad men ever could do.

13 posted on 10/10/2001 1:00:10 AM PDT by fly_so_free
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To: spf29
"We're paying taxes. Why should the money go to a school that doesn't promote America?"

It seems like the U.S.A. is starting to wake up to just how anti- American alot of the schools (and colleges) are. This kind of teach-the-children-to-hate-their-country crap does far more damage to our nation than Osama and all of his merry band of mad men ever could do.

14 posted on 10/10/2001 1:01:45 AM PDT by fly_so_free
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To: fly_so_free
Ooops! Posted the same thing three times! Yikes, .I hit the wrong button. sorry.
15 posted on 10/10/2001 1:04:40 AM PDT by fly_so_free
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To: spf29
Madison Is an embarrassment to most of us But were I’m at. My neighbor used all the Christmas light that he put outside. To make a large Flag with a big one hanging off his house. The school day starts with the pledge. And at the start of all games. Not only is everyone standing and facing the flag but with there hat off and hand over heart. and Flags all over.

We do need to clean out the trash down there and every were.

Here is an event coming up in Eau Claire on the 11 Th. Come on up.

Veterans Rally To Support Troops, Public Welcome Eau Claire WI. Thursday, October 11

They Need to start a Recall on the board. Cut out the Cancer Now !

16 posted on 10/10/2001 1:33:25 AM PDT by quietolong
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To: spf29
Here's the text of the note I sent them yesterday:

So, you have voted to ban the pledge of allegiance in your schools. This will not stand. You need to change your decision before the rest of America comes down smack, dab in the middle of your business.

Your decision demonstrates that you are nothing but godless traitors, worthy of the charge of treason. You are entitled to your beliefs, but only on your own time - not when it affects other people's children. Either reverse your decision or resign and join the other side. Our president said you are either with us or you are with the terrorists. Methinks you have chosen.

17 posted on 10/10/2001 1:40:17 AM PDT by brewcrew
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To: fly_so_free
Its time that we all wake up and smell the commie.

Are our teachers or school board members commies?

Do they support PCness to the end of patriotism?

Do not wait until your school board makes such a ruling and contact them now to find out or adjust their policies.

18 posted on 10/10/2001 3:07:57 AM PDT by Aztech
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To: Aztech
Those who object to saying the Pledge can go stand in the hallway until those who want to say the Pledge are done. Simple solution.
19 posted on 10/10/2001 5:55:59 AM PDT by GailA
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To: ALL After being Freeped the school board had to have a meeting
BUMP

This is where the freep started

20 posted on 10/10/2001 7:13:04 AM PDT by TLBSHOW
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