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No holy war here
MSNBC ^ | 10/11/2001 | Michael Moran

Posted on 10/12/2001 5:03:23 PM PDT by Utah Girl

Refuting Osama’s big lie with evidence of America’s restraint

In the Islamic world, some denounce the U.S.-led attacks on the Taliban and their extremist allies as “a war against Islam,” a charge that seeks to justify the carnage in New York and Washington one month ago. Yet the Dome of the Rock, the shrines at Mecca and Medina, the great mosques of Istanbul and Algiers and Cairo — all stand untouched by American vengeance. The United States has taken many steps to show that its war targets terrorism, not Islam. Yet the greatest proof of that fact is not what America has done, but what it has chosen not to do.

IN THE DAYS immediately following the Sept. 11 attacks, journalists who deal with international and military issues began calling sources to divine what response America would have to such an outrage. In the calls I made, all of these conversations were marked by anger, frustration and a determination to hit back. And in those first hours, as the scope of the atrocity began to sink in, one senior official told me no option was off the table, including nuclear ones.

Perhaps it is asking too much of the world, particularly the Islamic world, to give America credit for the fact that the nightmare visited upon its shores by Islamic extremists did not result in a nuclear response. I wonder how many of the Islamic world’s leaders would have shown such restraint in the same circumstances if they had in their arsenals thousands of intercontinental nuclear missiles? And during the three weeks between the attacks and the counter-strike against the Taliban and its “guests,” where were the throngs of blood-thirsty infidels screaming “Death to Islam?” The patience of the American public with its government’s need to plan a response that would not merely heap thousands more innocent victims on the pyre also is under-appreciated.

HATE VS. WAR

The fact is, neither the slanders of extremists nor the inevitable mistakes of Western military technology can make Osama bin Laden’s dreams come true. Bin Laden and his followers, and all the ignorant souls who parade through the streets with his photo, can talk all they like about Jihad and rant about America being “the Great Satan.” But it is not in their power to achieve their ultimate aim of prodding America into the same kind of indiscriminate murder they have embraced.

America’s wars have not been motivated primarily by hatred. Greed, territory, calculations about world power and Cold War ideological fervor often lay behind the fighting. But unlike the wars of Europe and Asia, ethnic and religious hatred has not been a major factor. Indeed, wartime governments found it necessary in 1898, 1917 and 1941 to drum up hatred with propaganda against Spanish, German and Japanese enemies. Once the body bags begin arriving stateside, the job takes care of itself. It is that point at which America, generally reluctant to fight, becomes the most dangerous nation on the planet.

WHO STAYS OUR HAND?

Yet even now, after more than 6,000 dead — all of them non-combatants — Muslims who subscribe to the “war on Islam” theory must ask themselves: what has thus far prevented nuclear strikes on Cairo and Damascus and Algiers and Tehran? Surely, it is no longer Moscow that is protecting you. You’ll need more than Allah on your side if the engineers of the Chechen war ever take charge of the war on terrorism.

What, then stays the hand of the infidel Bush? Perhaps it is a Jewish plot of some kind. Yes, that’s it! A plot like the one uncovered last year to poison the minds of Arab children with Pokemon cards. You’ve heard of it, surely? They’re very clever, those Jews, but Saudi Arabia, the Gulf states and Egypt all banned the sale of Pokemon cards as soon as they realized what that cute little yellow one was yelling: “Pikachu!” meant “I’m a Jew!” in Japanese. So the cards were banned and burned. Never mind that the Japanese government protested that the actual phrase for “I’m a Jew” is nothing like “Pikachu.” The cards remained banned, not because there was any truth to the rumor, but because the masses and their mullahs thought so.

A very similar thing is happening today in the streets and in the mosques of Jakarta and Lahore and Muscat and Baghdad. Outrageous statements — demonstrably false statements — are presented as truth and the governments dare not say otherwise.

It is a great irony of politics is that when a government is dependent not on the votes of its people but rather on their willingness to tolerate its abuse, the people have a kind of crude leverage that simply doesn’t exist in a democracy. Democratic governments fear the law; dictatorships fear the people. And if the people insist that “America is the enemy of Allah,” what business of the government is it to say otherwise?

‘THE ENEMY OF GOD?’

Is America the enemy of Allah? Let’s look at more empirical evidence. In the last two decades of the 20th century, American troops deployed to seven major war zones: Lebanon and Grenada (1982); Panama (1989); the Gulf (1990-91); Somalia (1993); Bosnia (1995) and Kosovo (1999). National interests, of course, played into each of these interventions. America fought Muslims in two of those wars, yet in five of them American troops fought and died on behalf of Muslims.

In Beirut, U.S. and French troops intervened to prevent the Israeli military from obliterating the cornered Palestine Liberation Organization. U.S. Marines literally rescued the PLO and evacuated Yasser Arafat and 15,000 fighting men safely to exile in Tunis, Tunisia. For their pains, the Marines and the French troops had their barracks blown up by Islamic extremists, losing over 400 soldiers between them.

Nine years later, when Saddam Hussein overran the wealthy Kuwaitis, many Islamic states were indifferent until they realized the Republican Guard had Saudi Arabia in its sites as well. Oil was the overwhelming American motivation for fighting Saddam, no doubt. But then why did the good Muslims of Syria and Egypt and Malaysia send troops as well?

You can make a good argument that the United States saved not Kuwait or Saudi Arabia but rather the venal regimes that run them. Fair enough. And the West botched the aftermath, allowing Saddam to use his people’s suffering to fertilize anti-American rage. But would the world be a better place with Kuwait as the 16th province of Saddam’s slice of hell (and with Mecca and Medina now entrusted to his benevolent care?)

Whatever the truth about the Gulf War, America’s intervention on behalf of the starving Muslims of Somalia, or the besieged Muslims of Bosnia and later Kosovo, had nothing to do with national interest or oil. Another Israeli trick, perhaps?

THE DECADENT WEST

Indeed, what of the Israelis — whom the extremists would cast as our evil Zionist controllers? Surely, our insistence that this particular branch of the family of Abraham not be driven into the sea proves that we are the enemy of God. This may also explain, to some minds, why the United States insisted that Israel refrain from responding in kind in 1991 when Iraq fired Scud missiles into its cities? Or why successive American presidents have wasted so much time and political capital trying to cajole the hard-headed Israelis and miserably led Palestinians into a territorial compromise? For that matter, where is the ”carte blanche” the Arab press assumed America would issue to Israel in the wake of the bombings? Quite to the contrary, Washington finally knocked Israeli and Arab heads together and told them to get on with peace talks.

Perhaps bin Laden is right, then; perhaps the West is corrupt and soft and unable to summon the courage or virility needed to make war or even to recognize its own interests. Then again, what would the residents of Dresden or Stalingrad or Tokyo or or Hiroshima make of that theory? Or, more recently, the people of Hanoi? Is the West incapable of the kind of slaughter that al-Qaida offers up to Allah? In fact, if we’re just talking about pure numbers, we’re a hell of a lot better at it. British bombers incinerated as many as 50,000 people in a single night in Dresden in 1945. American bombers bettered them later that year, killing up to 100,000 in the fire- bombings of Tokyo. Hiroshima and Nagasaki speak for themselves. Yet these were acts taken against enemies that struck first, years into wars that even today stand as warnings to us about the importance of never letting fanatics gain the upper hand again.

Is the United States fighting a war against Islam? If it were, you’d know it by now.


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1 posted on 10/12/2001 5:03:23 PM PDT by Utah Girl
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To: summer
ping
2 posted on 10/12/2001 5:03:34 PM PDT by Utah Girl
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To: Utah Girl
BTTT

Hits it out of the park.

3 posted on 10/12/2001 5:13:25 PM PDT by ancient_geezer
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To: Utah Girl
Fantastic article!!!

Cheers.

4 posted on 10/12/2001 5:14:47 PM PDT by demnomo
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To: ancient_geezer
Isn't it though? The scripture "by their fruits, ye shall know them" kept running through my mind as I read this.
5 posted on 10/12/2001 5:15:11 PM PDT by Utah Girl
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To: Utah Girl
"Is the United States fighting a war against Islam? If it were, you’d know it by now."

Excellent article. I thought the above quote was the best.

6 posted on 10/12/2001 5:16:38 PM PDT by SubSailor
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To: Utah Girl
You do come up with really good posts!
This is one of the bests I've seen here in a long long time.
...makes it worthwhile putting up with some of the..........
Sure hope your screen name is accurate so I can say:
Thanks neighbor lady!"
kj
Arizona
7 posted on 10/12/2001 5:16:57 PM PDT by KirklandJunction
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To: KirklandJunction
Thanks back, neighbor! I do live in Utah, proudly so.
8 posted on 10/12/2001 5:17:42 PM PDT by Utah Girl
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To: KirklandJunction
"....bests......"?

You'd think by now I'd know how to type. Must be my cooking.

9 posted on 10/12/2001 5:19:57 PM PDT by KirklandJunction
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To: Utah Girl
Maybe lack of desire for having inter-civilazational war, and annihilation of one civilzation, are due to the knowledge that such a war would require complete erradication of at least billion people. Most people do not seem to possess stomach for that kind of effort.
10 posted on 10/12/2001 5:23:21 PM PDT by The_Republican
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To: Utah Girl,JMJ333
 It is that point at which America, generally reluctant
to fight, becomes the most dangerous nation on the planet.

I like that.

 You’ll need more than Allah on your
side if the engineers of the Chechen
war ever take charge of the war on
terrorism.

Ruthless, swift, deadly infiltration,
assassination and familicide.  Sigh.
It may be the only way to win.

Thanks for posting a great article,
Utah Girl.

11 posted on 10/12/2001 5:28:24 PM PDT by gcruse
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To: Utah Girl
Gonna bookmark this,Thanks for the post.Unfortunately from the Islamic perspective this is a holy war. I don't think we will ever cease denying that feeling but what good are the denials doing. If the muslims would only instruct their followers in the true history of the U.S., this war action may not have been necessary. But that would be common sense and Islam is common sense deficiant in all categories.
12 posted on 10/12/2001 5:29:51 PM PDT by Cold Heat
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To: Utah Girl
"British bombers incinerated as many as 50,000 people in a single night in Dresden in 1945. American bombers bettered them later that year, killing up to 100,000 in the fire- bombings of Tokyo. Hiroshima and Nagasaki speak for themselves. Yet these were acts taken against enemies that struck first, years into wars that even today stand as warnings to us about the importance of never letting fanatics gain the upper hand again. "

I think people might forget that we were wearing a NATO armband in Kosovo and a UN beret in Iraq when people consider how the bombing got started. Really the UN should have been targeted.(/sarcasm) I think what happened in WW II was correct but we need not walk around with an innoncent look on our face in complete denial.

13 posted on 10/12/2001 5:30:20 PM PDT by ex-snook
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To: Utah Girl
Yes yes yes it's a wonderful article but no one in the Muslim 'street' is going to read it and they wouldn't give two unburned straws from the last effigy if they did. Face it folks we have an ocean of ignorant fanatics bent on our destruction. A couple million of the eight million Moslems now living in the US are probably either nearly as whacked as the average MID East fanatic or soon will be.

Either we deport all non citizen Mid Easterners now or we let them kill us almost at will. It IS that simple.

14 posted on 10/12/2001 5:33:14 PM PDT by mercy
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To: Utah Girl
"British bombers incinerated as many as 50,000 people in a single night in Dresden in 1945. American bombers bettered them later that year, killing up to 100,000 in the fire- bombings of Tokyo. Hiroshima and Nagasaki speak for themselves. Yet these were acts taken against enemies that struck first, years into wars that even today stand as warnings to us about the importance of never letting fanatics gain the upper hand again. "

I think people might forget that we were wearing a NATO armband in Kosovo and a UN beret in Iraq when people consider how the bombing got started. Really the UN should have been targeted.(/sarcasm)

I think what happened in WW II was correct but we need not walk around with an innoncent look on our face in complete denial and rationalize today.

15 posted on 10/12/2001 5:33:34 PM PDT by ex-snook
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To: Utah Girl
"Many shall be purified, and made white, and tried; but the wicked shall do wickedly: and none of the wicked shall understand; but the wise shall understand."
16 posted on 10/12/2001 5:34:35 PM PDT by michigander
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To: Utah Girl
Or, more recently, the people of Hanoi?

Perpetuating the leftist lie that we "carpet bombed" Hanoi, deliberately targeted Hosptials etc, etc, etc. We did bomb the shit out of targets in and near Hanoi, too little and too late, but we never tried to destroy the city, or even damage most of it much. Targets were things such as the railyards, POL storage facilities, munitions dumps, and so forth. Did they kill residents of the city, sure, but they were not the targets. If they had been, Hanoi would have gotten the same treatment that Toyko had gotten in WW-II, or maybe even that Hiroshima and Nagasaki got. It didn't, but in a way my comments are actually supportive of the basic thesis, that Americans, while having the capability to make "holy war", rarely do so.

OTOH, the times they are a changing.

17 posted on 10/12/2001 5:35:39 PM PDT by El Gato
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To: Utah Girl
Great article.
18 posted on 10/12/2001 5:37:14 PM PDT by FreeYourMind
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To: Utah Girl
BTTT!

Great post!

19 posted on 10/12/2001 6:22:43 PM PDT by PogySailor
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To: Utah Girl
It's on the mark. But we need to gear up Voice of America and get the word out to the Muslims of the world. At the moment, most of them are only hearing propaganda from the other side, and that's not a healthy state of affairs.

Shovel the clinonoids and the wimps out of VOA and return it to its original purpose: undermining the enemy's lies with news and opinions from our side.

20 posted on 10/12/2001 7:03:10 PM PDT by Cicero
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