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Lawyers Veto Attack on Leader
New Yorker ^ | for October 15, 2001 | From AFP

Posted on 10/14/2001 8:40:21 PM PDT by concerned about politics

'Lawyers veto attack on leader'

MILITARY legal officials stopped a US airstrike on a building where Taliban leader Mullah Mohammad Omar was hiding, a report has claimed, adding that the move infuriated US Defence Secretary Donald Rumsfeld.

A Predator reconnaissance aircraft identified a convoy of vehicles containing Omar fleeing the Afghan capital Kabul on the first night of the US-led airstrikes on October 7, said the report to be published in the New Yorker.

It said the US Central Intelligence Agency (CIA) was controlling the aircraft and did not have the authority to fire its anti-tank Hellfire missiles, so it requested an air strike on a building where Omar and some 100 guards had taken cover.

But the report, quoting intelligence sources, said Central Command (CENTCOM) in Florida vetoed the attack on legal grounds.

It said CENTCOM commander General Tommy R. Franks was told the Judge Advocate General (JAG), the military's legal branch, "doesn't like it".

The article, written by Pulitzer Prize-winning investigative reporter Seymour Hersh, said the Predator was told to fire a missile at the vehicles in front of the building to see who came out.

However the report said after some vehicles were obliterated nobody emerged.

It said an intelligence operative on the ground confirmed Omar was in the building and that he escaped a short time later, just before the building was eventually flattened by an airstrike.

The report said intelligence officials were "seething" about the incident and it quoted a senior military officer as saying it was a result of "political correctness" taking over the system.

The officer described Rumsfeld as "kicking a lot of glass and breaking doors" after Omar got away.

Pentagon spokeswoman Victoria Clarke declined to comment on the report.

Washington accuses Omar's Taliban regime of giving shelter to Osama bin Laden's al-Qaeda network, which has been blamed for the September 11 terrorist attacks on the United States.


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Yep. "Political Correctness" screws things up once more.
This cult has to be exposed.
1 posted on 10/14/2001 8:40:21 PM PDT by concerned about politics
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To: concerned about politics
What in the bleeding hell are lawyers doing calling shots in a military operation?

That's like the Three Stooges coaching the Super Bowl. Send those jerks home.

2 posted on 10/14/2001 8:50:42 PM PDT by Marauder
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What in the bleeding hell are lawyers doing calling shots in a military operation?

Political Correctness uses the lawyers as their warriors.
Lawyers give big bucks to the Democraps.
Political Correctness laws have made the lawyers RICH beyond belief!
Another Clinton legacy.

4 posted on 10/14/2001 8:57:38 PM PDT by concerned about politics
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To: concerned about politics
Career over: Gen. Tommy R. Franks
5 posted on 10/14/2001 9:12:54 PM PDT by beckett
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To: concerned about politics
This story has already been posted. And if you read carefully, this story has a lot of holes in it.
6 posted on 10/14/2001 9:14:39 PM PDT by Hillary 666
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>This story has already been posted.

I had not seen it before and am so pleased that someone posted it here.

7 posted on 10/14/2001 9:19:58 PM PDT by skraeling
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To: skraeling
I don't consider it being already posted a big deal. I've done searches for articles that I know to exist and have come up with nothing. Search engines aren't perfect.
8 posted on 10/14/2001 9:24:50 PM PDT by Hillary 666
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To: concerned about politics
This article implies that CENTCOM commander General Tommy R. Franks felt the need to consult JAG lawyers IN THE MIDDLE OF A STRIKE before granting permission to fire at a known Taliban leader. This story sounds pretty fishy.
9 posted on 10/14/2001 9:28:17 PM PDT by Hillary 666
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To: Hillary 666
And if you read carefully, this story has a lot of holes in it.

As long as Hersh accurately quotes the intelligence officer who said Rumsfeld was "kicking a lot of glass and breaking doors" after Omar got away, it's pretty clear there is something to the story. Do you think Hersh manufactured that quote? Or that the officer lied to Hersh?

This looks a solid story to me. I'm not sure where you see the holes.

It appears that Gen. Tommy R. Franks had a failure of nerve at a critical moment.

10 posted on 10/14/2001 9:33:45 PM PDT by beckett
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To: concerned about politics
Put bin Laden back on our payroll. His expertise is badly needed.
11 posted on 10/14/2001 9:39:15 PM PDT by Bob Burnett
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To: Hillary 666
This article implies that CENTCOM commander General Tommy R. Franks felt the need to consult JAG lawyers IN THE MIDDLE OF A STRIKE before granting permission to fire at a known Taliban leader. This story sounds pretty fishy.

It said the US Central Intelligence Agency (CIA) was controlling the aircraft and did not have the authority to fire its anti-tank Hellfire missiles. Since when did the CIA ever have the clearance to fire? They're a central intellegance agency, not the military.

12 posted on 10/14/2001 9:41:05 PM PDT by concerned about politics
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As I said in post #9: "This article implies that CENTCOM commander General Tommy R. Franks felt the need to consult JAG lawyers IN THE MIDDLE OF A STRIKE before granting permission to fire at a known Taliban leader."

Sorry, I'm going to need a little confirmation on that. I could maybe see some lawyering being done during target selection, but in the middle of a strike? That doesn't sound right.

13 posted on 10/14/2001 9:42:02 PM PDT by Hillary 666
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To: concerned about politics
"First, Kill all the Lawyers." -- Shakespeare
14 posted on 10/14/2001 9:43:38 PM PDT by FReethesheeples
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To: concerned about politics
The CIA doesn't need the military's permission to fire. They have their own chain of command. If anything, the CIA would be telling the military what to do.
15 posted on 10/14/2001 9:45:06 PM PDT by Hillary 666
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Yep. "Political Correctness" screws things up once more. 
This cult has to be exposed."
couldn't find anything odd in his bio....maybe too many howitzer shots...

16 posted on 10/14/2001 9:45:23 PM PDT by hoot2
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bump
17 posted on 10/14/2001 9:53:27 PM PDT by t-shirt
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To: Marauder
Short version from other previously posted thread: JAGs are staff officers who advise the line officers, who make the decision. JAGs do NOT make operational decisions like this, and if some commander is saying "oh, I couldn't pull the trigger because the lawyer didn't like it," we have some buck-passing here. Personally, the story just doesn't feel right to me.
18 posted on 10/14/2001 10:10:18 PM PDT by SalukiLawyer
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To: Hillary 666
This article implies that CENTCOM commander General Tommy R. Franks felt the need to consult JAG lawyers IN THE MIDDLE OF A STRIKE before granting permission to fire at a known Taliban leader.

Never underestimate the timidity of a bureaucrat. If Gen. Franks is a careerist, armchair soldier, of which the military has no small supply, Bush Administration instructions to avoid civilian casualties could have made him hesitate at a crucial moment, with the JAG consultation merely a convenient way to justify the hesitation.

19 posted on 10/15/2001 6:56:04 AM PDT by beckett
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No doubt. As crazy as this story sounds, there are crazier ones that have been proven true.
20 posted on 10/15/2001 3:31:46 PM PDT by Hillary 666
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