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The concealed weapons bill gets caught in a dispute over fingerprinting
Capitolgate ^ | 25 October 2001 | Dan Williamson

Posted on 10/25/2001 7:22:22 AM PDT by Deadeye Division

The chairman and the sheriffs

The concealed weapons bill gets caught in a dispute over fingerprinting

By Dan Williamson
Capitolgate Statehouse Reporter
dwilliamson@capitolgate.com

This was the plan: by the time the House Civil and Commercial Law Committee got its hands on the concealed-carry bill, it would be ready for a vote; any major changes in the legislation were to have been made in subcommittee.

“That’s why it’s there,” Rep. John Willamowski (R-Lima), the civil law chairman, said two weeks ago.

That was the plan.

The reality, however, is that though the House Bill 274 subcommittee recommended a substitute version of the measure last week, Willamowski is unhappy with its contents. He indicated this week he will push for further alterations before sending it to the House floor.

Further complicating matters is that Willamowski’s alterations might scare off the only law-enforcement organization that has supported the bill.

Willamowski said this week he remains strongly opposed to the fingerprinting provision in Sub. H.B. 274. Although the subcommittee weakened the fingerprinting requirement spelled out in the original bill, as proposed by Rep. Jim Aslanides (R-Coshocton), it wasn’t enough to suit Willamowski.

“With regard to fingerprinting—again, you don’t have to get fingerprinted to buy a gun,” he said. Therefore, you shouldn’t have to be fingerprinted to carry a gun, he has said.

The original legislation required all citizens seeking concealed-carry permits to submit to electronic fingerprinting as part of the background check performed by the residing county sheriff’s office.

After angry complaints from gun-rights activists, the subcommittee changed the bill to allow sheriffs to determine whether a four-year Ohio resident needs to be identified by fingerprint. But for newer Ohioans, fingerprinting would still be mandatory.

The compromise didn’t appease most of the gun-rights organizations. More importantly, nor did it appease the chairman.

Willamowski said he doesn’t know when his committee will take up Sub. H.B. 274. He said he plans to seek input from House Speaker Larry Householder (R-Glenford) before disclosing what sorts of changes he intends to propose for the bill.

“I’ve got some ideas,” he said. “I’ll run it past some people to see if I can get some support.”

Rep. Ann Womer Benjamin (R-Aurora) said yesterday she personally isn’t married to the fingerprinting clause—but suggested members of the Buckeye State Sheriff’s Association are.

The sheriff’s association is the only statewide law enforcement organization that’s supporting the bill. House Republicans would like to be able to cite the association’s endorsement as evidence that Sub. H.B. 274 is not an anti-police bill.

“What’s important to me is keeping the sheriffs on board with the bill,” said Womer Benjamin, a member of Willamowski’s committee and chairwoman of the H.B. 274 subcommittee. “If some arrangement can be worked out where the fingerprinting could be diluted while keeping the sheriffs on board, then I probably could support that.”

However, the head of the sheriff’s association said such an arrangement cannot be worked out.

Bob Cornwell, executive director of the association, said the subcommittee wanted to dilute the fingerprinting clause further than it already has. “We said no,” he said.

As for Womer Benjamin’s concerns about the potential of the sheriffs withdrawing their support, “That is a very realistic fear on her part,” Cornwell said.

“If there’s no fingerprinting provision in Substitute House Bill Two-seventy-four, we will not support the bill.”


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1 posted on 10/25/2001 7:22:22 AM PDT by Deadeye Division
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To: *bang_list
Bang
2 posted on 10/25/2001 7:22:56 AM PDT by Deadeye Division
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To: Deadeye Division
Hey Ohioans--they've fingerprinted us next door in Indiana for CCW's for decades. It's no biggie.
3 posted on 10/25/2001 7:29:16 AM PDT by 2Am4Sure
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To: Deadeye Division
on posts like this, it would be good if in the header someplace (probably the headline or source line), the locality involved were mentioned.

dep

4 posted on 10/25/2001 8:16:31 AM PDT by dep
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To: dep
Perhaps reading the keywords would help you...
5 posted on 10/25/2001 8:31:36 AM PDT by Aztech
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To: Deadeye Division
“With regard to fingerprinting—again, you don’t have to get fingerprinted to buy a gun,” he said. Therefore, you shouldn’t have to be fingerprinted to carry a gun, he has said.

This son of a bitch obviously dosen't live in New Jersey, soon one here won't be able to take a dump without proper papers.

6 posted on 10/25/2001 8:41:20 AM PDT by TightSqueeze
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To: 2Am4Sure; Deadeye Division
2am4Sure,They don't fingerprint us in Pennsylvania. I'm afraid you're being dupped. The anties want us to think it's ok to give up a little here and a little there.

Deadeye, keep it up.

7 posted on 10/25/2001 8:47:11 AM PDT by stevio
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To: Deadeye Division
Do you remember when I stated that I hoped the Governor would veto the bill so that the voters could veto him? I think Willamowski is creating a bill that the governor will not sign. Since it's a good bet that he won't sign any bill anyway, I think you're going to have to wait until the elections before you get a CCW. I'm sorry you may have to wait that long but it's better to wait and get a CCW that means something than an overpriced license that you can't use outside of your property.
8 posted on 10/25/2001 9:19:44 AM PDT by Shooter 2.5
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To: TightSqueeze
It's strange that you should call a politician who's working for a CCW a SOB. I would think that you would reserve that name for the political hacks that New Jersey continues to vote for.
9 posted on 10/25/2001 9:28:29 AM PDT by Shooter 2.5
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To: 2Am4Sure
Fingerprinting is an important issue. There is no evidence to indicate that it has any positive effect, and the cost keeps some people from getting a permit. In Arizona, the State charges $50 for the permit. Of that, $26 goes to the FBI to process the fingerprints. Then, on renewal of the license, they require fingerprints AGAIN, and the FBI gets another $26 of the $50. It is a very bad idea to require fingerprints in the first place.
10 posted on 10/25/2001 9:33:34 AM PDT by marktwain
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To: Shooter 2.5
You might be right about that, just should have called him a dumb ass for not really knowing the scope of the law. My bad.
11 posted on 10/25/2001 9:37:27 AM PDT by TightSqueeze
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To: Aztech
"Perhaps reading the keywords would help you..."

Could you point out where they are ? ---I see nothing on my screen that tells which state it is.

12 posted on 10/25/2001 10:02:22 AM PDT by gatex
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To: 2Am4Sure
Hey Ohioans--they've fingerprinted us next door in Indiana for CCW's for decades. It's no biggie.

Same here in GA, and in FL where I lived before. Heck, here in GA we have to be fingerprinted to get a drivers license. I don't like it and I think it's silly, but since I have to drive my car I do it anyway.

I know many people oppose fingerprinting for a CCW on principle, but while they're waiting to get a no-fingerprint law that may never be passed, hundreds, or even thousands, of people in OH will be assaulted, robbed, or possibly killed because they can't legally carry a gun. Seems to me it would be better to take what you can get now and then work to make it better in the future. As the public begins to see that concealed guns aren't the evil tools of the devil their politicians have told them they are, it will become easier to make the law better.

13 posted on 10/25/2001 10:35:06 AM PDT by epow
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To: stevio
Bump
15 posted on 10/25/2001 2:05:17 PM PDT by Deadeye Division
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To: stevio
Does anyone on this thread know how to forge a fingerprint? That is, give a fake one.
16 posted on 11/19/2001 6:32:35 AM PST by Fred Mertz
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