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Life after the terrorism bill is signed...not your fathers America

Posted on 10/25/2001 7:54:58 PM PDT by robnoel

I hope this post is of help to my many friends and foes on FR ....tomorrow President Bush will sign the "terrorism bill"....in the months that follow many will be shocked to learn that many freedoms you now take for granted will no longer be legal...including but not limited to free speech....even if you are not a so called "terrorist"

Hold on a minute here you may say....this bill is to protect us from mid-eastern terrorism....it does not affect me....wish that was true......history however tells a different story

What Americans now face is no different than what South Africans had to deal with in 1976...how do I know...I was there...unlike America...South Africans in 76 were dealing with a terrorist problem that had already lasted 10 years....the ANC set of bombs every other week in bars,malls etc ... granted thousands were not killed in a single attack as in NYC...however it did take it's toll ...

When the government announced the introduction of the "terrorism act" to go after the ANC..the majority of South Africans both black, white ,conservative,liberal,socialist,communist supported it.....its full effects would take only a few months to fully understand the reality that the South African Government had gone from ultra-conservative to fascist

Strong accusation to compare South Africas terrorism bill to the one Pres.Bush will sign you say....these are the facts....who or what is a terrorist....let me spell it out......anyone who speaks out or questions current government policy by default is a terrorist....this reality will take time to sink in....when it does you will change what you do and say in public same thing applies on the phone ,net etc and you will become very aware of who you associate with....

Some will say ...well we are at war...things change...my question is who are you at war with...and why has Congress not declared war on anyone?

There are many other nasty little things in this bill....if you read it.. a 1/3 deals with terrorist acts....last time I checked the "terrorist bill" signed in 96 took care of most terrorist crimes...however 2/3 rds deals with financial transactions...remember the "know your customer bill" they tried to sneak through a few years ago....this bill takes it one step further

Every financial house,broker,banker now has to report anything they think is strange trading activity ...what ever that means....and if they blow the call...no sweat ...you cannot sue them...

I can understand many who think this bill is a great thing...as soon as it passed the Senate 98-1 today Wall Street went from down 170 to up 100....the reason is because they all assume it only applies to mid-eastern terrorists.....nothing could be further from the truth...your Constitution and Bill of Rights will cease to exist....nothing pains me more to say that but facts are facts�


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1 posted on 10/25/2001 7:54:58 PM PDT by robnoel
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To: robnoel
Every financial house,broker,banker now has to report anything they think is strange trading activity

Nervous?

2 posted on 10/25/2001 8:00:30 PM PDT by sinkspur
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To: robnoel
It may not mean much if the courts are corrupt, but Congress cannot pass a law that amends or ends the Constitution. Any such "law" is an illegal law.

Like I said, not that such technicalities mean much to a lot of people any more.

3 posted on 10/25/2001 8:01:55 PM PDT by Jay W
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To: robnoel
My father wasn't South African.
4 posted on 10/25/2001 8:04:08 PM PDT by CWOJackson
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To: sinkspur
No...I am a broker :-)...its the client that has to worry
5 posted on 10/25/2001 8:08:04 PM PDT by robnoel
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To: CWOJackson
Try reading before you post!
6 posted on 10/25/2001 8:08:46 PM PDT by robnoel
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To: robnoel
I did read it...
7 posted on 10/25/2001 8:09:57 PM PDT by CWOJackson
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To: Jay W
Here is something we all have to deal with...no question this bill will end up in the SC...taken there I have no doubt by the ACLU....strange bedfellows!
8 posted on 10/25/2001 8:10:54 PM PDT by robnoel
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To: robnoel
not to put too fine a point on it, but this is not a tin-pot dictatorship. and in times of war a great many peacetime liberties have been limited, throughout our nation's history, from john adams's presidency's aliens and sedition act to lincoln suspending habeas corpus (and defying the supreme court when the court ruled his action unconstitutional) to the god-awful wilsonian pre-war and wartime activities to fight "sedition," to a multutide of limitations during world war II. always, those liberties and more were later restored. indeed, most of the stuff made legal by the current bill wasn't illegal at all during the earlier wars. admittedly, some of it would have made no sense -- monitoring email during world war II wouldn't have taken much time, nor telephones during the civil war. but much of what has been enacted here has been to write around overstepping by the supreme court in recent years. in other words, chill.

dep

9 posted on 10/25/2001 8:11:35 PM PDT by dep
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To: CWOJackson
Try it again

Life after the terrorism bill is signed...not your fathers America

10 posted on 10/25/2001 8:11:53 PM PDT by robnoel
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To: robnoel
Instead of rabble-rousing, why not stop and consider that if such abuses occur, the courts will very likely bottle it up. That's the way things usually work. Have faith in our wonderful, inspired system of "divided government."

We have something that South Africa never had--and probably never will--the Constitution.

11 posted on 10/25/2001 8:12:13 PM PDT by Illbay
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To: robnoel
Based on your experiences in South Africa? Like I said, my father wasn't South African.
12 posted on 10/25/2001 8:15:04 PM PDT by CWOJackson
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To: dep
I wish I had faith in the so called four year sunset provision....however once a law is on the books it is there for life....if I am correct the Spanish-American telephone tax still appears somewhere on our phone bills....that law was passed before telephones showed up...for a humour break here are a few laws still on the books

Alabama

It is illegal for a driver to be blindfolded while operating a vehicle.

Brewerton: Use of motor boats forbidden on city streets.

Alaska

It is forbidden to push a moose out of a plane in motion.

It is against the law to look at a moose from an airplane.

Fairbanks: No moose is allowed to have sex on city streets.

Arizona

Glendale: It is against the law for a car to back up.

Mohave County: Anyone caught stealing a soap, must wash himself with it, until it's all used up.

Arkansas

A man has a legal right to beat his wife, but only once a month.

It's illegal to mispronounce the name of the state (ie of course Arkansas).

Little Rock: Flirtation between the members of the opposite sex on the streets may result in a 30-day jail term....

California

A woman cannot drive a car while she is dressed in a house-coat.

It is illegal to set a mousetrap without a hunting license.

It is illegal for anyone to try and stop a child from playfully jumping over puddles of water.

Belvedere: "No dog shall be in a public place without its master on a leash."

Blythe: A person must own at least two cows before he is permitted to wear cowboy boots in public.

Hollywood: It is illegal to drive more than 2000 sheep down Hollywood Bouleward simultanously. �

14 posted on 10/25/2001 8:19:45 PM PDT by robnoel
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To: CWOJackson
I lost you somewhere....not talking about my farther or South Africa....the headline applies to Americans....this is not your fathers America....get it!
15 posted on 10/25/2001 8:22:55 PM PDT by robnoel
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To: robnoel
No...I am a broker :-)...its the client that has to worry

If you were my broker, I'd worry.

16 posted on 10/25/2001 8:24:36 PM PDT by sinkspur
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To: robnoel
Oh, the title and content aren't related? LOL!

The title is nothing more than something you wrote based on your own assumptions...and is nothing more than a title.

17 posted on 10/25/2001 8:25:54 PM PDT by CWOJackson
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To: robnoel
CWOJackson is right. Read your own piece. You stated: What Americans now face is no different than what South Africans had to deal with in 1976...how do I know...I was there...

The is the entire "logical" basis upon which you rest your argument. Which is as groundless as most of your posts.

18 posted on 10/25/2001 8:28:14 PM PDT by M. Thatcher
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To: LLAN-DDEUSANT
They are making some good ones, but there worst ones are setting the Dems up with a dream party platform. The fact that the Dems will love what Bush is doing to us will not stop them from posing as the true defenders of the faith.

What "faith"? The American public loves what Bush is doing.

If the Dems run on some strange ACLU platform, they'll have their asses handed to them.

19 posted on 10/25/2001 8:29:39 PM PDT by sinkspur
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To: robnoel
Hope those asbestos underwear aren't making you itchy, amigo.

And I'm not surprised to the see the totalitarians-in-waiting here on FR rushing to defend this action. The idea of a limited government actually restrained by the Constitution is of little consequence to them, so long as that government is controlled by one of "their" guys. I would imagine that if Gore had been elected, the hue and cry would be near-universal. But they trust Bush, and that is why we're in trouble.

Sad to see.

20 posted on 10/25/2001 8:33:07 PM PDT by John R. (Bob) Locke
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