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Bin Laden's Family Cutting Ties With Carlyle Investment Firm in U.S.
AP ^ | Published: Oct 26, 2001 | By Marcy Gordon The Associated Press

Posted on 10/26/2001 12:30:37 PM PDT by Theresa

Source: Bin Laden's Family Cutting Ties With Carlyle Investment Firm in U.S.

WASHINGTON (AP) - Osama bin Laden's wealthy family in Saudi Arabia is cutting its financial ties with the Carlyle Group, a politically-connected U.S. private investment firm, by mutual agreement, a source familiar with the relationship said Friday.

The bin Laden family decided to sell its investment worth $2.02 million back to the firm mainly because of public controversy over its stake in a Carlyle fund that invests in buyouts of military and aerospace companies, said the source, who spoke on condition of anonymity. The source was confirming a report in Friday's editions of The New York Times.

There had been criticism in Saudi Arabia after the Sept. 11 terror attacks that the family, which disowned exiled Islamic militant Osama bin Laden years ago, might profit from increased military spending in the U.S. war against terrorism.

The family, whose construction company is one of the largest in the Middle East, also has invested with a number of other investment funds and financial institutions around the world, reportedly including U.S. financial services giant Citigroup, Deutsche Bank of Germany and the Dutch bank ABN Amro.

Carlyle has some $14 billion in assets under management. Its chairman is Frank Carlucci, a former U.S. defense secretary. Former President George Bush, former secretary of state James Baker and Arthur Levitt, who had been chairman of the Securities and Exchange Commission through most of the Clinton administration, are senior advisers to the firm.

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1 posted on 10/26/2001 12:30:37 PM PDT by Theresa
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To: Theresa
Anyone who sent Larry Klayman money to investigate the Carlyle Group/Bush connection should now reqest a refund.
2 posted on 10/26/2001 12:33:27 PM PDT by Theresa
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To: Theresa
"Anyone who sent Larry Klayman money to investigate the Carlyle Group/Bush connection should now reqest a refund."

Naww. Larry can use it to gather more info from depositions on deals surrounding jr. and The GrownUp Cheeney.

3 posted on 10/27/2001 4:53:06 PM PDT by rdavis84
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To: Theresa
Why should they request a refund? Klayman starts making noise about the issue of Carlyle, and a few weeks later "ZZ Top's" family drops their investments in the fund. Sounds like Klayman hit a nerve over there. His lawsuits typically go nowhere beyond the deposition stage, but I think this is the wrong article to post to show there was nothing untoward about this financial connection. It is just as logical to suggest that liquidating the investment is an indication that there was a problem with it as it is to suggest that Klayman was barking up the wrong tree. I would look for different evidence if I were you.
4 posted on 10/27/2001 5:00:05 PM PDT by roughrider
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To: roughrider
"Why should they request a refund? Klayman starts making noise about the issue of Carlyle, and a few weeks later "ZZ Top's" "

Read the article again. The binLaden's pulled out because of getting heat from the Saudi's. "There had been criticism in Saudi Arabia after the Sept. 11 terror attacks that the family, which disowned exiled Islamic militant Osama bin Laden years ago, might profit from increased military spending in the U.S. war against terrorism."

Mr. Nobody Klayman had nothing to do with it or the WSJ article that started it all.

5 posted on 10/27/2001 7:58:43 PM PDT by Theresa
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To: Theresa; Irma; Howlin; Miss Marple
NYT article.....education/discussion only.

October 26, 2001

Bin Laden Family Liquidates Holdings With Carlyle Group

By KURT EICHENWALD

WASHINGTON, Oct. 25 — The Saudi family of Osama bin Laden is severing its financial ties with the Carlyle Group, a private investment firm known for its connections to influential Washington political figures, executives who have been briefed on the decision said today.

The decision, reached late last week, was by mutual agreement, a senior executive with the investment firm said. It came largely as a result of public controversy about the family's stake in a Carlyle fund that invests in buyouts of military and aerospace companies, the executive said.

After the Sept. 11 attacks, the investment was criticized amid speculation that the family might profit from increased military spending from America's war on terrorism.

"This wasn't done because anyone thought they did anything wrong," the Carlyle executive said. "We didn't do it with relish or great glee. We felt and they felt that it was something that was causing more attention than it deserved, so we both decided it made sense, given the circumstances, to liquidate the position."

In many ways, the move by the bin Laden family reflects the problems the family has faced since Sept. 11, as it has struggled with tensions between its global business interests and its connection to Mr. bin Laden, one of 53 siblings. The family, which publicly condemned the terrorist attack, disowned Mr. bin Laden in the 1990's and maintains that it has no relationship with him anymore.

The majority of the family's net worth comes from its primary company, the Saudi Binladin Group, one of the most prominent construction companies in the Middle East.

But the family also invests around the globe with an array of funds and financial institutions, including several in the United States. The Carlyle investments in question are among those.

That financial and regional influence has won the family and its business an array of prominent visitors from the United States. Trips for American businesses arranged by the U.S.-Saudi Arabian Business Council, a Washington trade organization, often feature visits with the Saudi Binladin Group.

In recent years, Frank C. Carlucci, the chairman of Carlyle and a former secretary of defense, has visited the family's headquarters in Jeddah, Saudi Arabia, as have former President George Bush and James A. Baker III, the former secretary of state. Mr. Bush works as an adviser to Carlyle, and Mr. Baker is a partner in the firm.

The family's financial relationship with Carlyle began in 1994. At that time, they committed $2 million to a buyout fund, Carlyle Partners II, a tiny fraction of the $1.3 billion raised for the fund. Much of that money was then invested in the fund gradually over many years, the Carlyle executive said, as new opportunities for corporate buyouts emerged.

As a result of the recent decision to sever the financial relationship with Carlyle, the investment firm bought out the family's stake. A much smaller investment by the family in a single deal, amounting to about $20,000 or less, is also being liquidated, the Carlyle executive said.



6 posted on 10/27/2001 8:15:52 PM PDT by deport
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To: deport
Thanks......I will be waiting for the JW "Victory" press release. ;-)
7 posted on 10/27/2001 8:43:09 PM PDT by Irma
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To: Irma
Keep your neck loose as it may be coming so fast that it'll spin your head...... wasn't there a post of jw regarding this? I can't find it, maybe it was pulled? I wanted to put the NYT article on it for archival purposes.
8 posted on 10/27/2001 8:46:52 PM PDT by deport
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To: deport
Yes, there were one or two posts on this....but I don't have them bookmarked and the search feature is screwy right now. I'll look tomorrow if you haven't found it by then.
9 posted on 10/27/2001 9:02:04 PM PDT by Irma
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To: Theresa
How do you think it got to be news over there? It never bothered them before. Again, I don't think this is the best article to use as evidence that there was nothing out-of-the-ordinary about these financial links between the bin Ladens and certain "prominent persons" in the United States.
10 posted on 10/27/2001 11:06:58 PM PDT by roughrider
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To: roughrider
"How do you think it got to be news over there? "

I think it was from the WSJ article. I expect the Saudis know about the WSJ. But it was not Larry Klaymans carping that moved the Saudis to get BinLaden's family to cut ties. I am sure they don't who Larry KLaman is.

11 posted on 10/27/2001 11:35:29 PM PDT by Theresa
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To: Theresa
Another article from the NYT......

Bin Laden Family Strives to Re-establish Its Reputation

By MICHAEL MOSS

This article was reported by Alison Leigh Cowan, Kurt Eichenwald and Michael Moss, and was written by Mr. Moss.

In the week after the Sept. 11 attacks, Abdullah bin Laden picked up the telephone at his penthouse in Cambridge, Mass., and began dialing for some expert advice.

This time, it seemed, his half brother Osama bin Laden might have finally shattered the family's reputation, especially for those members who lived in the United States.

Despite the family's public disavowal of the terrorist mastermind suspect, federal agents swooped in to question family members' neighbors and friends. Reporters piled up outside their doors. More critically, companies that did business with the $5 billion family construction empire in Saudi Arabia were starting to get jittery about dealing with the family.

So the 35-year-old Abdullah bin Laden, a Harvard Law School alumnus, set out to protect the family name. Largely through intermediaries, he sought out advisers in law and political consulting, among them Stanley Arkin, the influential New York lawyer. Mr. Arkin, who declined to comment, turned down the offer. Another prominent communications expert who was contacted later called the F.B.I. to pass on Mr. bin Laden's telephone number.

His troubles that week reflect the challenge facing this wealthy merchant family as it scrambles to protect its financial holdings and reputation around the world.

It is the family of both a terrorist bent on destroying Western influence in the Middle East, and the owner of the Saudi Binladin Group, a corporate giant with tens of thousands of employees and business dealings with companies like General Electric and Motorola. (The company uses a different transliteration of the Arabic name from the usual Western "bin Laden.")

According to American business executives, family members do business with an array of financial institutions, including Goldman, Sachs, Citigroup and Deutschebank. Until earlier this month, the family also had a stake in the Carlyle Group, a Washington investment firm with ties to the luminaries in politics. The two sides decided that the controversy over the connection between the bin Ladens and Carlyle was not worth the relatively small stake of $2 million that the family had committed to the buyout firm.

Others are sticking with them, citing American officials who say they have no evidence of financial links between the family and Osama bin Laden. "We've talked to the State Department and so far as we can tell, these people are clean," said Stephen Seiler, chief executive of Hybridon, a biotech company in Cambridge in which a bin Laden brother has a small stake.

But one American executive with a longstanding corporate relationship with the family added: "Their situation is catastrophic from a business point of view. They had a pretty good brand name, but the brand name is now destroyed in many ways." Figuring out how to restore that name is proving difficult. "It's understandable the bin Ladens just want to hide," said Prof. Adil Najam of Boston University, who has studied the family. "But this will not go away, and their silence is costing them."

In the days after Sept. 11, the bin Ladens in America left for Saudi Arabia, with the assistance of Prince Bandar bin Sultan, Saudi Arabia's ambassador in Washington. Now, people who have been in contact with the family said, they are working to devise a public-relations strategy with his numerous half brothers.

Abdullah bin Laden, who has been shuttling between Riyadh, the capital, and the company headquarters in Jidda, had hoped to come up with a plan in a couple of days. But two weeks later, the family is still debating what to do.

To the family, the opinion of the West is particularly important. "The United States has been like a second home to many members of the family," one family member said in an interview from Saudi Arabia.

The bin Ladens must reach a consensus before taking any action. One question they may face is the family's position toward Mohammed Jamal Khalifa, a man who has been identified as Osama bin Laden's brother-in-law and who has been accused by law enforcement officials in the Philippines of having funneled money to Islamic militants. Mr. Khalifa has denied the allegation.

The bin Ladens also will not do anything that might bring disapproval from the Saudi royal family, which faces its own challenge in how to relate to its Western allies and its own Islamic supporters.

"The Saudi culture is just so different," said one American executive who knows the family well. "They are just not used to this. They move very, very slowly."

It was never supposed to turn out this way for a storybook clan. From the time the family patriarch, Mohammed bin Laden, moved from Yemen to Saudi Arabia in the first half of the last century, fortune had smiled on the family. He arrived penniless and illiterate, but his construction work won a reputation as top-notch. Business took off when he won the favor of the king, building palaces for the royal family. He and his company, the Saudi Binladin Group, won coveted contracts to restore and expand the sacred mosques at Mecca and Medina.

"You can't do much work in Saudi Arabia in our line of work without having something to do with the bin Laden enterprises," said Keith Karpe, a spokesman for Fluor, a company based in the United States that recently joined the bin Ladens in building power and petrochemical plants in the kingdom.

Osama bin Laden was born the 17th son of more than 50 children, and like the others he was given every opportunity for an education. But after his father's death in an airplane accident, Mr. bin Laden did not enter the family business; instead he found his calling in 1979, when the Soviet Union invaded Afghanistan.

Fifteen years later, his radical views led the Saudis to revoke his citizenship and his family cut him off. The government also froze his bank accounts, according to an official with the Saudi Arabian Monetary Agency, the central bank. At the same time, his siblings expanded the business, struggling to keep it separate from their increasingly infamous family member. "Osama was a taboo subject," said Dallas Vincent, an American who worked at the company in Saudi Arabia.

To Americans who worked at every level of the company, there was little doubt about the walls between Mr. bin Laden and his siblings. "He was totally ignored," said Daniel Uman, who worked as a construction manager on a 1995 S.B.G. project in Saudi Arabia. "He was totally ostracized by the family and by the kingdom." The severing of ties with Osama bin Laden has been extensive, the family member said. The terrorist maintains no stake in the family business, and receives no direct or indirect financial benefits from it, he said, maintaining that news accounts of Mr. bin Laden having control of hundreds of millions of dollars in inheritance are untrue.

On three occasions, the family sent delegations to Sudan, where Osama bin Laden lived, to try to persuade him to join the family company. They were rebuffed.

Even as the renegade's rage with the West grew, his family became fascinated by it. Salem bin Laden, who took the company reins after his father, Mohammed, died, set the pace. "He rarely stayed in one place for more than a couple of days," said Wayne Fagan, a lawyer in San Antonio who helped Salem bin Laden analyze potential investments from real estate to Hollywood westerns.

After Salem, like his father, died in a plane crash, the company fell to the next oldest son, Bakr, and a board of other half brothers. Their reach into the Western business world expanded. They established Global Administration, based in London, to manage their cash in the Western world. Largely through that company, they established their financial relationships with entities like Citigroup, Carlyle and the Fremont Group, a San Francisco investment firm that includes former Secretary of State George P. Shultz as a director.

But in business meetings, they felt compelled to apologize for the activities of Osama, even though he was still largely unknown in the West. "When I first met the group, they made it very clear that they had disowned Osama bin Laden and that they had absolutely no connection," said one American executive who began to do business with the company in the early 1990's.

With the company expanding its contacts in the West, more and more of the family members chose to attend school in Europe and America, and even live there. Boston became a hub for the family. Many lived at the exclusive Flagship Wharf condominiums in Charlestown, where one of the youngest brothers, also named Mohammed, acquired 10 apartments.

The bin Ladens of Boston largely kept to themselves in socializing. The women drove cars and flew planes, and one spurned tradition by taking her husband's and not her father's name. But they dressed conservatively and were proud of their Arabic roots.

When Mohammed's sister Sana graduated from Wheelock College after studying early childhood education, she organized a Saudi festival at the Children's Museum in Boston, with costumes, juiced mangos and camel humps that she sewed for the children to race around in.

When Mohammed and his family returned to Jidda three years ago, Abdullah, who is single, took on the role of imam for the nieces and nephews, dispensing advice and organizing their lives. Now, he is getting advice on how the family might regain the life they had here.

But Dr. Terry Bennett, a New Hampshire physician and longtime family friend, said the bin Ladens needed go only so far in making public amends. "I've sent them the advice," he said, that they should "make a one-time statement, `We are deeply apologetic,' and then close out. They should not be mea culpa- ing. It is not their fault."


12 posted on 10/28/2001 7:12:22 AM PST by deport
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To: Theresa
We really don't know whether or not it was the WSJ article, or the specter of Klayman's nonending discovery activities that caused this. The WSJ article was sometime ago, and Klayman's activities are (ALWAYS) "ongoing." Regardless, the principle reason for the posting was to establish the notion that the investment in the Carlyle Group, by both Bush and the bin Ladens at the same time, is not a conflict of interest for Bush anymore, as the bin Laden's no longer have an investment there. Actually, the bin Ladens withdrawing from Carlyle in no way does this, therefore, this article is not the kind of evidence that relieves anyone's concerns about the financial interactions between the bin Ladens and members of the Bush family. There may be an article that would state, in essence: "There is nothing to see here. Move along," but this one is not it. We all know there is not widespread knowledge about a Klayman lawsuit that has ever arrived at a discenible ending, but that deals with Klayman and not the problem of the appearance of conflicts of interest in Bush family investments with bin Laden family investments. Maybe someone can find one.
13 posted on 10/30/2001 3:36:15 PM PST by roughrider
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To: Black Jade
If I had enough money to do it, I'd love to invest where the Bush family invests; their investment strategies usually make money! Is this 'work' by Klayman supposed to suddenly give him the credibility he so desperately sought during the rein of x-42?
15 posted on 11/06/2001 3:54:26 PM PST by MHGinTN
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To: MHGinTN
"I'd love to invest where the Bush family invests; their investment strategies usually make money!"

And leave a lot of dead Soldiers too.

16 posted on 11/06/2001 3:59:35 PM PST by rdavis84
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To: rdavis84
Well, we certainly know where you're head is, sphincter port.
17 posted on 11/06/2001 4:48:47 PM PST by MHGinTN
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To: Betty Jo
Hybridon news. What to make of the report that members of the bin Laden family visited Osama while was in the American Hospital in Dubai in July 2001?
19 posted on 11/07/2001 3:38:52 AM PST by aristeides
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