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Will there always be an Israel?
Conservative Monitor ^ | October,2001 | Alan Caruba

Posted on 10/27/2001 9:34:43 AM PDT by anapikoros

The remarks of Israel's Ariel Sharon, a warning that Israel would not stand idly aside to let other nations decide its fate, created a firestorm. Lost amidst the uproar was the fact that Sharon had expressed similar views in 1986. Indeed, they were published in the Wall Street Journal. He made the analogy between Czechoslovakia in the 1930's, sold out to prevent war with the Nazis, and questioned the US resolve to stand with its ally.

He later called Secretary of State Powell to express his appreciation for the "special relationship" between the US and Israel. On the Today Show, Wednesday morning, Secretary of State Powell said that the US "treasured" its relationship with Israel, a fairly extraordinary description and a welcome one.

....The reality of US policy is not that it hasn't long demonstrated support for Israel, but that it has also always supported its enemies. A longtime, close observer of this is Dr. Eugene Narrett. He points out, for example, that nearly three-quarters of the $18 billion directed to Israel this past decade actually was spent in Texas, New Mexico and California, in the form of transfer payments to Grumman, Lockheed-Martin and McDonnell Douglas. It would be more accurate to say this was more a form of support for our armaments industry, than Israel. Nothing wrong in that, per se, but consider the amount of arms also sold to its enemies.

When one examines the record of US support for our new coalition of Arab "friends", we discover is that, since 1991, the fundamentalist Islamic regime of Arabia has received twice as much military armaments and equipment as Israel. It adds up to more than $35.5 billion. Then add in the cost US of maintaining the US troops stationed there to protect Saudi Arabia from its Islamic neighbor, Iraq.

Another virulent mouthpiece of hatred directed against Israel is Egypt. It received about $13 billion over the past decade. Other Gulf states such as the United Arab Republics, Qutar, Kuwait, Bahrain, Jordan, and even Yemen, have received an aggregate of another $11 billion. Mind you, these are, with the exception of Egypt and the last two, oil-rich states.

So, all this talk about how America's "support" of Israel is the "cause" of the attack on this nation is largely without merit because it ignores the fact that much of our support in that region of the world has been directed to its enemies......

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1 posted on 10/27/2001 9:34:43 AM PDT by anapikoros
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To: anapikoros
Will there always be an Israel?

YES (do I win?)

2 posted on 10/27/2001 9:39:37 AM PDT by bubbafree
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To: bubbafree
Yep....God said so! When we can't save her..HE WILL. Amen.
3 posted on 10/27/2001 9:54:19 AM PDT by Neenah
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To: Neenah
"God said so" Indeed. That's why I did not really understand an Orthodox (Jewish Orthodox) rabbi who tried to explain to me just the opposite: that God did not want Israel to have a state. The guy was actively preaching and organizing against one. That was a couple of years ago. He insisted God has kicked the Jews from the area because of their corruption and moral depravity. I did not know what to make of it because I know this fellow is a religious scholar and a great family man.
4 posted on 10/27/2001 10:28:18 AM PDT by Pipers
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That's why I did not really understand an Orthodox

Oh, you must have met one of the Neturei Karta. They're nuts. Literally.

5 posted on 10/27/2001 11:13:25 AM PDT by Cachelot
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To: anapikoros
In answer to the question " Will there always be an Israel ?" Yes, but ONLY because of the remnant ( per our God of the Bible) . A small group of believers, and only because of them.
6 posted on 10/27/2001 11:21:12 AM PDT by DreamWeaver
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To: anapikoros
ABSOLUTELY!
7 posted on 10/27/2001 11:23:41 AM PDT by onyx
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To: anapikoros
Not if Colin Powell has anything to say about it.
8 posted on 10/27/2001 11:40:08 AM PDT by OldFriend
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To: anapikoros
Fifty years of more suicide bombers, border disputes and internal political wars may be it for the "Holy Land". The Israelis could also become an endangered species due to their low birth rate and intermarriage with non-Jews. While the Orthodox have many children, they generally don't increase the numbers of the Israeli Defense Forces. There is also an anti-war and anti-draft movement in Israel. A young male non-Orthodox Jew immigtating from a European country knows he will be an IDF conscript. Meanwhile, Muslims have many young jihad warriors to offer up for paradise. They are not 'de-breeeding' their populations.

Israel opened up military recruitment offices in the USA just this past July. What did they know then about possible coming "Holy Wars" that we found out on and after 9/11?

9 posted on 10/27/2001 2:07:14 PM PDT by poetknowit
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To: Pipers
Although all religous Jews start with the Bible (Torah)as ommon reference,rom that point it's a matter of "interpretation" (exegsis).

There is a "mainstream" that covers a number of schools of thought and tradition but there are also both the looney left and right and some completely off the planet.

There is a small, inconsequential sect who are anti-Zionist because they believe there should not be a Jewish State till the Messiah comes and takes them there. You probably met one of those nutters.

10 posted on 10/27/2001 7:54:30 PM PDT by anapikoros
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To: poetknowit
Israel opened up military recruitment offices in the USA just this past July. What did they know then about possible coming "Holy Wars" that we found out on and after 9/11?

Not "recruitment" offices and not only in the USA. Because there are a lot of Israeli's in the reserve forces and they are travelling overseas either on business, holidays etc. offices were set up around the world to help these people get back to Israel in a hurry in time of crisis.

Definately not to recruit people off the street.

11 posted on 10/27/2001 7:59:59 PM PDT by anapikoros
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To: Cachelot
"Neturei Karta" Could you explain a bit more? Is it an Orthodox group?
12 posted on 10/27/2001 8:16:58 PM PDT by Pipers
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To: anapikoros
Thanks. Must be it. He sounded awfully serious and religious though, part of a large group it seemed. But it was confusing.
13 posted on 10/27/2001 8:19:07 PM PDT by Pipers
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Could you explain a bit more? Is it an Orthodox group?

Well, sort of. They believe there shoudn't be an Israel, the Jews should live scattered and be "obedient" to the authorities where they are. If I remember, they also believe that the holocoust came about because the Jews were "bad" or not "obedient" enough, and that Hitler had to punish them. The background material I read seemed quite disjointed and confused.

14 posted on 10/27/2001 8:23:53 PM PDT by Cachelot
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To: anapikoros; 2sheep; Jeremiah Jr
Will there always be an Israel?

YHWDH

15 posted on 10/27/2001 8:33:35 PM PDT by Thinkin' Gal
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To: anapikoros
Will there always be an Israel?

Yes, he has been redeemed by Jesus (THE Lamb of Promise) and therefore has eternal life!!!

16 posted on 10/27/2001 8:41:46 PM PDT by maestro
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To: Cachelot
My! Thanks. This chap did not talk about Hitler and his crimes. Just about Israel today.
17 posted on 10/27/2001 8:41:51 PM PDT by Pipers
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To: Cachelot
Like with all sects their "gurus" have to give them a rationale for why did this or that happen. Their take on the why of the Holocaust is a rationalization of - how God could allow such a thing to happen.

Intellectually these type of sects of which the Naturei Karta is the most vocal have still not emerged from the ghettoes of the middle ages.

18 posted on 10/27/2001 8:43:08 PM PDT by anapikoros
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To: anapikoros
Short answer: Yes.
19 posted on 10/27/2001 8:46:02 PM PDT by VaBthang4
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To: Thinkin' Gal

Texas Yellow Rose

Thinkin' Gal,

You have one fantastic profile page.   Everyone should take a look!!

I have a question too.  It has always been my understanding that the ancient Hebrew alphabet did not have the letter "W".  It was, instead, a "V".  Is that correct?  If so, why do most people write the divine name as YHWH instead of YHVH?


20 posted on 10/27/2001 8:48:20 PM PDT by Texas Yellow Rose
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