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On This; Saint Crispin's Day
The Guardian Online ^ | 10/27/01 | Anne McHardy

Posted on 10/28/2001 1:03:16 PM PST by janus

On the anniversary of Agincourt, Anne McHardy visits the village where the battle took place Saturday October 27, 2001

Agincourt is famous in British cultural memory as the battle when King Henry V proved that he had put behind him the youth he misspent with Falstaff. To the French it is Azincourt, the little village where 10,000 of their 40,000-strong army died on a miserable October day 586 years ago - largely because their armour was so heavy that they sank into the mud.

A museum has recently opened to commemorate this, one of the most brutal massacres by the English of the French during the Hundred Years' War, and bloodthirstier visitors will be excited to learn that the English did for many by sliding daggers into the joints in their armour.

Set just off one corner of an oblong of Pas-de-Calais farmland, tractors now whirring where the armies fought, the museum is a triumph of historic objectivity over jingoistic history making. It is one of the most delightfully thought-provoking pieces of interactive presentation to have hit the battlefields' museum circuit.

The French have a gift for son et lumière. This time they present us with King Hal - in his tent during the night when Shakespeare has him rallying his troops with "a little touch of Harry", and in dialogue with the French king, Charles VI's commander, Constable d'Albret. You know the models are dummies because you see them before the lights fade, but it is still hard not to believe you see their eyes and lips move.

The museum was devised and is run by the Azincourt commune, its collective imagination inspired by the local school teacher and his wife, Claude and Michelle Delcusse, who recognised more than 20 years ago that the constant trickle of visitors to the battle site needed something more than grass.


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1 posted on 10/28/2001 1:03:16 PM PST by janus
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To: janus
"Once more into the breech...!"

FWIW, I found Branagh's film version of Henry V to be excellent.

Humorous story, though. When I rented the VHS of the movie several years ago, the little teenage dumb-blonde at the checkout said "Hm, 'Henry Five'. Were the first four pretty good?"

2 posted on 10/28/2001 1:08:00 PM PST by Illbay
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To: janus
Oddly enough, I re-watched HENRY V starring Kenneth Brannaugh last night. For about the 100th time! I enjoy it-even if everyone else says,"What language are they speaking?" Anyway, pretty good DVD. Worth it just to hear Henry's "Band of Brothers" speech.
3 posted on 10/28/2001 1:08:31 PM PST by donozark
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To: janus
Bump
4 posted on 10/28/2001 1:09:51 PM PST by Kermit the Frog Does theWatusi
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To: janus
Well, after seeing all the memorials to the FDNY, the NYPD, and private citizens like
Rick Rescorla...
there are some men on the West Coast who were still abed when the WTC/Pentagon/Flight 93
disasters occurred...and think themselves a-cursed and hold their manhoods cheap...
5 posted on 10/28/2001 1:11:59 PM PST by VOA
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To: Illbay
I found Branagh's film version of Henry V to be excellent.

I agree 100%.

6 posted on 10/28/2001 1:12:33 PM PST by janus
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To: janus
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7 posted on 10/28/2001 1:13:17 PM PST by Fiddlstix
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To: Illbay
I recently watched, and watched again, and a third time, Henry V with Branagh. Loved it. If the plot and every other actor had been a disaster, Branagh would somehow have carried it. But the plot and the other actors were magnificent, and since it is based on history, I found it even more compelling. Had to have the captions on through the first two viewings, but still I loved it.

Haven't seen Olivier's version, but want to.

8 posted on 10/28/2001 1:21:45 PM PST by GretchenEE
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To: Illbay
I checked out Branagh's opus at Internet Movie Data Base and discovered he'd been married to Emma Thompson, parting ways shortly before her screenplay (and starring role in) of Sense and Sensibility came out. I've always wondered how Thompson got the wherewithal to do that screenplay, for which she won an Oscar. Methinks her husband shaped her thinking vastly and set her onto it.
9 posted on 10/28/2001 1:25:20 PM PST by GretchenEE
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To: janus
 British cultural memory = jingoistic history
 collective imagination  =  the real thing

Vive la France !    Et nous avons jamais
en réalité livré au Nazi l'Allemagne.

10 posted on 10/28/2001 1:29:59 PM PST by gcruse
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To: janus
As long as we're talking "a little touch of Harry", here it is:

What's he that wishes so?
My cousin Westmoreland? No, my fair cousin:
If we are mark'd to die, we are enow
To do our country loss; and if to live,
The fewer men, the greater share of honour.
God's will! I pray thee, wish not one man more.
By Jove, I am not covetous for gold,
Nor care I who doth feed upon my cost;
It yearns me not if men my garments wear;
Such outward things dwell not in my desires:
But if it be a sin to covet honour,
I am the most offending soul alive.
No, faith, my coz, wish not a man from England:
God's peace! I would not lose so great an honour
As one man more, methinks, would share from me
For the best hope I have. O, do not wish one more!
Rather proclaim it, Westmoreland, through my host,
That he which hath no stomach to this fight,
Let him depart; his passport shall be made
And crowns for convoy put into his purse:
We would not die in that man's company
That fears his fellowship to die with us.
This day is called the feast of Crispian:
He that outlives this day, and comes safe home,
Will stand a tip-toe when the day is named,
And rouse him at the name of Crispian.
He that shall live this day, and see old age,
Will yearly on the vigil feast his neighbours,
And say 'To-morrow is Saint Crispian:'
Then will he strip his sleeve and show his scars.
And say 'These wounds I had on Crispin's day.'
Old men forget: yet all shall be forgot,
But he'll remember with advantages
What feats he did that day: then shall our names.
Familiar in his mouth as household words
Harry the king, Bedford and Exeter,
Warwick and Talbot, Salisbury and Gloucester,
Be in their flowing cups freshly remember'd.
This story shall the good man teach his son;
And Crispin Crispian shall ne'er go by,
From this day to the ending of the world,
But we in it shall be remember'd;
We few, we happy few, we band of brothers;
For he to-day that sheds his blood with me
Shall be my brother; be he ne'er so vile,
This day shall gentle his condition:
And gentlemen in England now a-bed
Shall think themselves accursed they were not here,
And hold their manhoods cheap whiles any speaks
That fought with us upon Saint Crispin's day.

11 posted on 10/28/2001 1:39:16 PM PST by Reaganesque
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To: Reaganesque
Thank you...I felt the compulsion to type that out 'til I saw that another idiot did it for me!
12 posted on 10/28/2001 1:41:51 PM PST by Joe 6-pack
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To: Joe 6-pack
Gawd that was a great speech!
13 posted on 10/28/2001 1:46:59 PM PST by Ciexyz
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To: Reaganesque
And gentlemen in England now a-bed
Shall think themselves accursed they were not here,
And hold their manhoods cheap whiles any speaks
That fought with us upon Saint Crispin's day.

Of course they could always get a professorship at Princeton and lie.

14 posted on 10/28/2001 1:51:41 PM PST by janus
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To: janus
Of course they could always get a professorship at Princeton and lie.

Or Mount Holyoke College (Professor Ellis, famed Vietnam War vet...NOT)
15 posted on 10/28/2001 1:54:53 PM PST by VOA
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To: Illbay
"Hm, 'Henry Five'. Were the first four pretty good?"

I think some comedian said that Sylvester Stallone was thinking about making Henry VI,
as he assumed that that Henry I-IV must have been pretty good based on the
fact that someone would bankroll the fifth film in the series.
16 posted on 10/28/2001 1:56:51 PM PST by VOA
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To: janus
Good post. Brings a much-needed refinement to what is so often an abrasive discourse. Nevertheless, a reminder that deeds of heroism are so often written in blood.
17 posted on 10/28/2001 1:58:00 PM PST by IronJack
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To: janus
get a professorship at Princeton and lie With this they are on the way: "the museum is a triumph of historic objectivity."

I always thought that the essence of objectivity was to getting at a freeze-frame reality--IOW, very surreal. I suppose the goal of that surpaases objectivity.

18 posted on 10/28/2001 2:00:56 PM PST by cornelis
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To: IronJack
deeds of heroism are so often written in blood

All good things come through hard work.

19 posted on 10/28/2001 2:01:49 PM PST by cornelis
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To: cornelis
I always thought that the essence of objectivity was to getting at a freeze-frame reality--

Probably on another day and on another thread we can discuss whether or not there is such a thing as "True Objectivity" in the human psyche.

20 posted on 10/28/2001 2:08:22 PM PST by janus
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