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America's 'elite' troops (interview with Col. Hackworth)
The Guardian (U.K.) ^ | 10/29/2001 | Marcus Scriven

Posted on 10/28/2001 5:01:35 PM PST by Pokey78

Colonel David H Hackworth, America's most decorated soldier, does not mince his words. "I would be reluctant to jump into a battle zone with any conventional American unit. I would hate to take them into battle - they ain't ready, they are not 'good to go'."

With British and American ground troops poised to take the war against the Taliban into a new, perilous phase, Hackworth's appraisal of the army he once served will do little to calm nerves in the corridors of power. And his verdict on "crack" American troops such as those likely to be deployed in Afghanistan, is scarcely more complimentary. The soldiers of the vaunted 82nd Airborne are only "a little better" than ordinary infantry. And of the supposedly fearsome 10th Mountain Division, he says, "I hear a lot of rhetoric about the famous 10th Mountain Division. In World War II it was unquestionably America's finest unit - trained for three years, made up with men from Colorado, Montana, Idaho, really tough men, experts in mountain fighting. What we have now in the 10th Mountain Division is a bunch of kids that are better qualified to play computer games than they are to fight in that kind of terrain."

Confronted by the sudden prospect of putting their training to the test in Afghanistan, more than a handful of American soldiers show signs of agreeing with Hackworth's dismal assessment. "A large number of them have been submitting release from active duty requests, feigning that they're conscientious objectors, which is exactly what we went through in Vietnam," he says.

It is difficult to envisage anyone now emulating Hackworth's record even if they took on the Taliban during an extended campaign. After lying about his age, he managed to enlist, aged 15, in the second world war, "winding up on the Morgan Line around Trieste, trying to keep the Yugoslavs and the Italians from wasting each other".

Thereafter, in Korea and Vietnam, he was awarded a brace of Distinguished Service Crosses, 10 Silver Stars, four Legions of Merit, the Distinguished Flying Cross and a remarkable eight Purple Hearts - meaning that he was wounded, on average, in each of the (almost) eight years that he was in combat.

Commissioned in the field in Korea, he became the army's youngest captain; less than 20 years later, as its youngest colonel, he condemned America's involvement in Vietnam. It was, he said, "a bad war... it can't be won. We need to get out." He also predicted that the North Vietnamese flag would fly over Saigon within four years - a prediction made no more palatable to his superiors by being right.

Hackworth's critics might like to dismiss him as a battlefield dinosaur; most are wise enough not to try. After his public denunciation of the Vietnam war, he left the army and headed to Australia, where he gave his medals away to a class of 12-year-olds, burned his uniform, lived under the stars and smoked - and inhaled - a little dope. Nearly 20 years later, after making himself a fistful of money by selling a Brisbane restaurant and starting Australia's first Peking Duck farm, he returned to the US.

During his years of self-imposed exile, he had become an anti-nuclear campaigner but that proved no bar to re-establishing contacts with friends in the army, who were invaluable allies in his next career as a war reporter.

He discovered that - with some admirable exceptions - most of his new colleagues "wouldn't know a tank from a Range Rover or a B-52 bomber from a Valujet". During the Gulf war, he sensed that it was "almost as if frightened reporters who knew nothing about military realities wanted to inflate the war to inflate themselves". He decided on a new mission: to educate and inform his countrymen about those "military realities". Several years before he had co-authored the Vietnam Primer, which became a classic. On his return from Australia, he wrote About Face, a chronicle of his war experiences. It became a best-seller, as did three further books, the profits from the last two of which have been ploughed into Soldiers For The Truth, Hackworth's non-profit foundation dedicated to military reform.

But that reform, he says, will only come after America has suffered "a terrible performance in battle. Then we'll see maximum attention to re-establishing discipline and getting standards up". This, though, will come too late to make a difference in Afghanistan. Hackworth recently watched three weeks of basic training at Fort Jackson and left "appalled at the lack of discipline, the lack of hard training". The American military, he argues, is undermined by twin evils - a culture of grotesquely profligate, misdirected expenditure and by a toadying, self-serving caste of senior officers interested only in securing their own advancement.

But most corrosive of all, he says, has been the almost comic absurdity of making the forces politically correct. "There is now something called 'Consideration for Others' training," says Hackworth. "That's where Joe and Jane will get along and live in harmony. One, Joe and Jane shouldn't be in the foxhole together; two, harmony is not the name of the game; the name of the game is killing your enemy." (He is kinder about their British counterparts. "The Brits that I have found - the units that I've seen as a reporter in ex-Yugoslavia and so on - are not suffering as badly as the Americans from political correctness. It seems that your standards haven't been so lowered.")

Such idiocies, argues Hackworth, could have been prevented "if the top brass had opposed the politically correct leadership which was engendered and supported by Bill Clinton". "Do you think Clinton would have appointed any leader that would say, 'We've lowered the standard, we're not training our people hard enough or fierce enough'? No: the guys who get promoted are the guys who go along to get along. They are the Perfumed Princes."

But the "perfumed princes" are in for an unsettling ride, he says. "We are in round one - which is not even over - in a 30-round fight. I think my grandkids, who are five and eight, will be in college before we're in round 30. It's going to be a very long war, not like a war we've fought before. We will win, as long as everybody realises that it is not going to be a Desert Storm, wham-bam, thank you mam."

Last August, Hackworth made another prediction. Outlining three scenarios of future terror, he described a terrorist gas attack at the Indianapolis sports arena, killing 4,000. Hackworth set the date at June 4 2005; the terrorist responsible? Osama bin Laden. He concluded: "The chances are eight out of 10 that we will see a devastating terrorist attack from abroad within the next 10 years. Up to now we've been relatively lucky. But this kind of luck can't last... This dude [Bin Laden] ain't gonna give up. Neither will a thousand fanatics like him. It's a mistake to believe you can stop a terrorist movement by taking out its leader. You can cut off the head, but the body will still live on."

Consequently, Hackworth does not get overly excited by Bin Laden's fate. "He's got many, many fall-back positions, but he's a hard guy to hide. He's going to come in, in his Mercedes or his four-wheel drive; if people in the local village know he's there, the word is going to go out. He's got 30m bucks on his head; if you're an Afghan or Yemeni and you're making a dollar a week, $30m is a hell of an enticement. I wouldn't want to be in his sandals. But he's more the figurehead than the principal military planner; it's like getting rid of Saddam Hussein - there are other rattlesnakes that are even worse."

Hackworth has yet to get to Afghanistan to see the situation for himself; in the meantime, he is urging people to read a paper written by Richard Kidd, a West Point graduate who spent two years in Afghanistan working in the UN's mine clearance programme. Kidd argues in favour of giving the Northern Alliance "a big wad of cash so that they can buy off a chunk of the Taliban army before winter. Second, also with this cash I would pay some guys to kill some of the Taliban leadership, making it look like an inside job to spread distrust. Third, I would support the Northern Alliance with military assets, but not take it over or adopt so high a profile as to undermine its legitimacy."

Hackworth urges people to "burn [Kidd's] words and advice into your brain". He believes that they have been heeded in the White House, which he praises for its handling of the campaign so far. Hackworth says Washington should leave the fighting to groups like the Northern Alliance, confining British and American troops to an advisory role. As for the tens of thousands of American troops wondering if they could soon find themselves face to face with the Taliban, Hackworth suggests they should not expect to experience real combat any time soon. "I see them only in a defensive, perimeter role, because that's what they've got experience doing in Haiti, Bosnia, Kosovo: standing behind a wall of sandbags and peering out into the darkness. That's what they're very good at."


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1 posted on 10/28/2001 5:01:35 PM PST by Pokey78
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To: Pokey78
For the longest time the promotions of junior officers were strictly by quota.......towards the end of 1999 that seemed to change for the better. Let's hope it's finally a thing of the past. Rumsfeld was heading in the right direction about the Pentagon too.....which is why there was so much grumbling by those who put their own welfare ahead of their country. With Shelton gone, perhaps there's a chance. PRAY
3 posted on 10/28/2001 5:14:17 PM PST by OldFriend
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To: Pokey78
Great article, Pokey, thanks for finding it and posting.
4 posted on 10/28/2001 5:17:48 PM PST by joyce11111
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To: nuclear_spy
Like 95% of the US Army had experience in WWII

People need to get real because this is a war and there will be men comming home in caskets - you can be 100% sure of this. It's time to get your resolve strong and support our troops and don't listen to too much the commie press says !

5 posted on 10/28/2001 5:17:52 PM PST by america-rules
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To: Pokey78
This is alarming if true, unless it is just the women getting out:

Confronted by the sudden prospect of putting their training to the test in Afghanistan, more than a handful of American soldiers show signs of agreeing with Hackworth's dismal assessment. "A large number of them have been submitting release from active duty requests, feigning that they're conscientious objectors, which is exactly what we went through in Vietnam," he says.

6 posted on 10/28/2001 5:21:25 PM PST by Paul Ross
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To: Pokey78
I can't spreak for the Army but I would have to disagree with "Hack" as far as the Marine Corps is concerned. I would be proud to walk point with any unit in the Corps as I have done in the past. The Corps is better trained today than ever before in it's 225 year history. Semper Fi, Mike
7 posted on 10/28/2001 5:30:03 PM PST by HEFFERNAN2
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To: nuclear_spy
I see you know little about things military. The Russian Army is a basket case of a conscript army that is under funded and poorly equipted. To call it the best in the world is very funny. The Russian Army is not even in the top ten. If you believe this BS of a story then you are a big fool.
8 posted on 10/28/2001 5:38:05 PM PST by Bombard
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To: Pokey78
Praise God.

Sobering words.

I agree...I believe it is time to weed out the perfumed princes that remain.

No doubt there are more of them. Togo West for starters!

9 posted on 10/28/2001 5:42:42 PM PST by VaBthang4
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To: HEFFERNAN2
We'd be glad to have you. Semper Fi, brother. A Marine 1stLt(Mustang)
10 posted on 10/28/2001 5:43:16 PM PST by SICSEMPERTYRANNUS
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To: HEFFERNAN2
The US Army has units on par with the USMC. Formations such as the 101st Airborne and 82nd Airborne are good units that are up to the highest standards. I think Hackworth has grown to love his press and is spouting pure BS.
11 posted on 10/28/2001 5:44:16 PM PST by Bombard
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To: HEFFERNAN2
I think I would agree with you.

They have maneuvered(sp?) themselves nicely in the past ten years since the Gulf war.

All they lack is the combat experience.

12 posted on 10/28/2001 5:45:17 PM PST by VaBthang4
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To: Bombard
There are a couple of other great units ie the 24th Mech Div, 7th Light, etc. Yes? SICSEMPERTYRANNUS
13 posted on 10/28/2001 5:49:29 PM PST by SICSEMPERTYRANNUS
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To: Pokey78
It's a mistake to believe you can stop a terrorist movement by taking out its leader.

I tend to disagree with this - if one kills off the domanant personality then one is left with factions that may very well fight amongst themselves for decades. And, if another dominant figure pops up...well, bullets are cheap.

14 posted on 10/28/2001 5:54:56 PM PST by The Duke
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To: VaBthang4
The MC has a lot of brush war experience like we had in the "Banana Wars" of the first 30 years of the 20th century. Somalia, Haiti, East Timor, Liberia etc. I just transferred from a unit that had some Vietnam veterans. The experience is there in the leadership. Semper Fi. SICSEMPERTYRANNUS
15 posted on 10/28/2001 5:55:37 PM PST by SICSEMPERTYRANNUS
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To: Bombard
This is the time for hand-wringers, whiners and wannabes, analysts and fifth column quarterbacking. I wish folks would shut up and pray for our brave men in uniform. I remember in 1990, all the so-called experts were saying that we should be prepared for 10s of thousands of casualties. Didn't come close to happening. Not really any different today.

Americans are too impatient and unable to focus on a particular mission for more than a few weeks. We purue technologies to protect our troops and sailors and then whine because we depend too much on it.

Well give me a break! I never thought for a second that this mission would be completed in three weeks. But what do we have? Three weeks down and the whiners abound giving aid and comfort to our enemies. These sissies seem to abound here on this board. It makes me wanna puke. In addition to not posting information about troop movements, I wish the powers that are behind this site pull threads that bad mouth and pull down our military and suck out the morale of our people. Now is the time for folks to grow up and get a grip!

16 posted on 10/28/2001 5:56:22 PM PST by Don'tMessWithTexas
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To: Bombard
see you know little about things military. The Russian Army is a basket case of a conscript army that is under funded and poorly equipted. To call it the best in the world is very funny. The Russian Army is not even in the top ten. If you believe this BS of a story then you are a big fool.

Hey man , Chechnya is invaluble training for a millitery , an honest to god bad assed urban and country war for the last 5 years .What has America had on par with Chechnya in the last 10 years ? 1 incident with Somali drummer boys and 18 dead rangers plus some video games on CNN in the Gulf War (Bombing Yugoslav civilians to bits for 78 days does not count)

17 posted on 10/28/2001 5:57:02 PM PST by ooogha-boogha
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To: Don'tMessWithTexas
Well, I'm just part of the average American public and I don't know anything at all about our military or how to fight a war-- but I am not at all impatient, and I am perfectly content to let the professionals do their job. I asked my sweetie (Marine Vietnam vet) about the issue of lack of combat experience, and he says you get the right mindset real quick when people start shooting at you.
18 posted on 10/28/2001 6:07:06 PM PST by walden
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To: Bombard
And I think you will see quite a bit of use of the Marine Corps in afghanistan before this is over. With Afghanistan being landlocked, we need forces that can bring a lot of fire power to bear without a lot of logistics tail. And the Marine Corps fits the bill. With their own airpower in the form of Av-8bs and cobra gunships, plus their brothers in f-18c's off the carriers in the Arabian sea, expect the Marines to kick some Talibum tail.

And these troops that go into afghanistan have something to fight for, and they are going to be pumped up over the deaths at WTC and Pentagon. Yeah, they haven't faced the raw brutality of war yet, but they'll do just fine.

19 posted on 10/28/2001 6:15:44 PM PST by Vauss
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To: Don'tMessWithTexas
You are absolutely correct.

From now on..no input from veterans that have been in combat. No input from the people that pay the bills. Lets all just go with the company line.

What you suggest is tantamount to conservative political correctness.

I know! Lets all just agree with the politicians--99.99% of whom are draft dodgers and hypocrites.

20 posted on 10/28/2001 6:18:07 PM PST by Channel_Islands_EANx_Diver
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