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Rival Browsers Benefit From MSN gaffe
CNet.com ^ | November 1, 2001, 4:00 a.m. PT | Rachel Konrad and Sandeep Junnarkar

Posted on 11/01/2001 5:25:33 AM PST by amigatec

Last week, people who tried to visit MSN.com with a non-Microsoft browser found themselves locked out . Although Microsoft's own Internet Explorer easily accessed the popular site, other browsers--such as Opera, Mozilla, Amaya and some versions of Netscape--received error messages and recommended that people "upgrade" to Internet Explorer.

Intentional or not, the incident has been a fiasco for Microsoft. Criticism has come not only from the software giant's well-known critics but from a key figure in the normally impartial circles of the Internet standards-making community: World Wide Web Consortium (W3C) director Tim Berners-Lee .

"Obviously this was a blatant attempt to use the leverage of some content to produce domination at the software layer," Berners-Lee wrote in an e-mail interview with CNET News.com on Wednesday.

Web standards have been at the center of the imbroglio, with Microsoft and competing browser makers trading charges that their products don't conform to W3C guidelines.

Last week, a Microsoft executive blamed the error on non-Microsoft browsers, insisting that those browsers don't support W3C standards. That prompted technology leaders to lash out against Microsoft, saying the software giant was again violating antitrust laws by forcing people to abandon non-Microsoft browsers for access to all Web pages.

Hours later, Microsoft pulled an about-face and opened a redesigned MSN.com Web site to some third-party browsers. Bob Visse, director of marketing for MSN, reiterated Wednesday that the block was an "error" and that Microsoft "took immediate steps to correct that mistake," though some non-Microsoft browser users are still having difficulty viewing MSN.com.

The oversight has inflamed Microsoft critics, who question whether the incident was unintended and wonder whether it was a move to further the software giant's dominant position on the Internet.

The incident happened the same day as the touted launch of Windows XP, Microsoft's newest operating system. Microsoft executives have made it a priority to expand the company's Internet strategy through the new OS.

On the move
Despite Microsoft critics' suspicion about the reason behind the browser lockout--and its timing--the incident had an unintended consequence: It became a selling point for competing browsers. The dispute made headlines in newspapers around the world and was covered by Web sites in multiple languages with links to competing browsers, resulting in a torrent of new customers for the smaller companies.

"In a way, Microsoft shot itself in the foot," Opera Software spokeswoman Katherine Barrios said Wednesday. "It's stirring up controversy--and it's stirring up a lot of customers. People are a bit pissed off."

Although the Oslo, Norway-based company did not supply specific numbers, Barrios said it had more site views and downloads of its free, advertising-supported Opera 5 browser on Tuesday than on any other day in its seven-year history.

Opera wouldn't divulge exactly how many new customers it has added in the past week, but any incremental boost would add momentum to the company. Founded by former Norwegian telecom employees Jon S. von Tetzchner and Geir Ivarsoy, Opera has also seen a big spike in paid orders since the Microsoft block. Advanced Opera browsers range from $20 for students and senior citizens to $39 for most individual buyers.

In May, the company announced that it would supply IBM's Internet appliances with browser software, and it had previous deals with Advanced Micro Devices, Ericsson, Psion and Be.

Still, Opera and others face a daunting nemesis: Internet Explorer has more than 80 percent of the browser market, dwarfing its rivals. Netscape holds about 13 percent, while Opera, Mozilla and Amaya--which caters to individual and corporate Web designers--make up the rest.

Amaya was developed by Web technologists at the Massachusetts Institute of Technology (MIT) and lets people read and edit sites simultaneously. Amaya released new software at the same time as the Microsoft flap last week, so developers there are reluctant to credit the software giant exclusively for increased downloads. MIT also publishes an obscure "validator" used to screen whether sites comply with W3C standards, and the site received a flood of use from people eager to test MSN.com's compliance.

On Oct. 24, before the MSN.com block, 11 people checked site standards through the W3C's HTML Validation Service. On Oct. 25, the day CNET News.com first reported the issue, 4,128 people tested standards. The following day, 16,732 people tested standards.

Breaking rank
The squabble also prompted an outcry from Berners-Lee, who holds the 3Com Founders Chair at the Laboratory for Computer Science at MIT.

His response was surprising, given that Microsoft is a member of the W3C and the consortium has an unofficial policy of refraining from singling out individual members. Berners-Lee wrote the first Web client and server in 1990 and is credited with creating the World Wide Web.

"I have fought since the beginning of the Web for its openness: that anyone can read Web pages with any software running on any hardware," he wrote in response to written questions. "This is what makes the Web itself. This is the environment into which so many people have invested so much energy and creativity. When I see any Web site claim to be only readable using particular hardware or software, I cringe--they are pining for the bad old days when each piece of information needed a different program to access it."

The incident is still fanning anger in the technology industry, largely because Microsoft hasn't completely fixed its alleged error. Although people using non-Microsoft browsers are not entirely locked out as they were last week, some browsers are still having difficulties on MSN.com.

Trying to view MSN.com through Opera results in oversized fonts and improper formatting. The problem involved an issue with MSN.com's "cascading style sheets," rendering them slightly off when viewed through Opera. Cascading style sheets automate the task of changing the style and layout of multiple Web pages, so that one change flows through to all related pages, much like a template.

Viewing the same page through Amaya results in odd colors that render some text unreadable. Janet Daly, head of communications for MIT, was cautious about blaming Microsoft, noting that sometimes colors aren't always rendered perfectly on sites other than MSN.com.

Berners-Lee sounded a more critical note. "Control over a person's desktop and their browser is control over their whole Net-mediated perception of the world out there," he wrote. "It is very powerful."


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It seems this has backfired as well.
1 posted on 11/01/2001 5:25:33 AM PST by amigatec
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To: amigatec
Hehe. A good trail balloon by Microsoft. The anti-Microsoft whiners are getting worked up over nothing. Inevitably, IE will crush all the competition (as it is currently doing), simply because it's a better browser. Seriously, Netscape sucks. Opera also sucks - why would anyone in their right mind pay $40 for a banner free browser when you already have IE? Microsoft isn't "forcing" anyone to use IE, by the way. Just as I have a right to determine who I let into my web site, Microsoft does as well. If they only want to allow IE, then fine, that's their business. It's perfectly legal and legitimate. You don't have some God-given right to visit MSN.
2 posted on 11/01/2001 5:36:55 AM PST by billybudd
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To: billybudd
Hehe. A good trail balloon by Microsoft. The anti-Microsoft whiners are getting worked up over nothing.

Gee, I don't know about you but I LIKE having a choice of Web browsers.

Do you think that MS was being honest or not when they claimed that you needed to "upgrade" while the HTML on their web pages hadn't actually changed? I guess for a pro-MS zealot the truth doesn't matter.

3 posted on 11/01/2001 5:51:31 AM PST by ikka
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To: amigatec
It wasn't just MSN. I was in the process of trying to download the service paks and security upgrades to Win2000 and had the same problem with the microsoft download and info sites. The problem magically cleared up at the end of the week. My first suspicion was that it was tied to the release of Windows XP in some nefarious way.
4 posted on 11/01/2001 5:56:06 AM PST by Harrison Bergeron
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To: ikka
Gee, I don't know about you but I LIKE having a choice of Web browsers.

That's one of the most amazing things about the Microsoft defense . . . they openly *mock* consumers who simply want free-market choices.

And this was fraud, in my opinion -- a bogus error message that detected and disabled a different company's software on that site.

5 posted on 11/01/2001 5:57:48 AM PST by Dominic Harr
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To: innocentbystander
Steve Jobs is going to cash in all of his Apple stock and buy the whole Microsoft company. That will show them.
7 posted on 11/01/2001 6:02:56 AM PST by Random Access
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To: billybudd
You don't have some God-given right to visit MSN.

No, but you have a contract-given right to it if you buy MS software and MSN is where you need to go to get the patches and bug-fixes for it.

8 posted on 11/01/2001 6:04:24 AM PST by steve-b
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To: billybudd
>Anti microsoft whiners :-)))))

Methinks you doth protest too much.

The inability of a product other than IE to get to a msn.com site is a feature -- not a problem :-))

As for your other wet dreams about MS taking over, we've been hearing that about NT for around 10 years and it's still a piece of crap.

When you grow up and decide to use a real OS, come on back and we'll play :=))

9 posted on 11/01/2001 6:07:44 AM PST by dfrussell
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To: ikka
Yeah, of course, I have a choice. So do you. But show me how Microsoft is FORCING you to use IE. They're not. You don't have a right to visit MSN, and they have the perfectly legitimate right to exclude you if you're not using their browser. It's pretty simple.
10 posted on 11/01/2001 6:08:07 AM PST by billybudd
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To: steve-b
Yeah, and you can use IE to get those bug fixes. I haven't seen the contracts you're talking about, but I'm pretty sure they don't mention that you have to use Netscape to get your patches.
11 posted on 11/01/2001 6:09:21 AM PST by billybudd
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To: billybudd
Inevitably, IE will crush all the competition (as it is currently doing), simply because it's a better browser. Seriously, Netscape sucks.

Correct. Netscape isn't even really trying to compete anymore. I used Netscape for years, but I finally got fed up with it constantly crashing and switched to IE, which is much more stable.

12 posted on 11/01/2001 6:09:50 AM PST by Redneck Apologist
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To: ikka
Need Help Re-installing MSIE 5.5 !!

MSIE 5.5 was crashing ... So I kept going through the reconfiguration process. However, Microsoft has an automatic link which revisits their homesite right after the reconfiguration process. Now I am convinced that the friendly people at Microsoft may have installed some type of "bug" in my system.

In an effort to clean up the mess, I downloaded MSIE 6 .... Big mistake !! It is just too freaking large a program for my hard drive to handle. The installation took up so much room, I no longer am able to see simple graphics. Ouch!

Can anyone give me some advice? I don't want to loose all my favorite website links and emails .... But I must remove MSIE 6.

I have an Iomega zip drive to back up my files.

Is there a link where I can re-install MSIE 5.5 and delete 6?

13 posted on 11/01/2001 6:11:07 AM PST by ex-Texan
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To: billybudd
You are completely correct - it is their choice.

Do you think it is ethical for MS to lie about the error message that comes up if you are not using IE, and claim that you need to "upgrade" to IE when you don't?

I don't do business with unethical people. And I don't vote for unethical politicians.

And I don't buy from unethical companies.

DO YOU?

14 posted on 11/01/2001 6:12:08 AM PST by ikka
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To: dfrussell
I use win98 and red hat on my machine. I'm not "pro" Microsoft really, but I do hate anti-Microsoft people who whine all the time about being "forced" to do things they're not really forced to do. Or about having a "free" marketplace - which usually entails forcing Microsoft to refrain from making products as it sees fit, by means of government intervention.
15 posted on 11/01/2001 6:12:54 AM PST by billybudd
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To: ex-Texan
Try

http://www.google.com/search?q=internet+explorer+how+to+downgrade for downgrading info on different web pages.

Try

HERE for info on exporting your bookmarks.

16 posted on 11/01/2001 6:15:59 AM PST by ikka
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To: dfrussell
This "real OS" stuff is a little silly.

Unix is clearly a superior platform for development and servers.

Windows is clearly a superior desktop platform now that it's (finally) stable.

17 posted on 11/01/2001 6:17:21 AM PST by Redneck Apologist
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To: amigatec
Old news. Back in the day of IE 3.0 and Netscape 3.0 you couldn't access Microsoft.com with Netscape and you couldn't access Netscape.com with MSIE 3.0. It just looks they revived that part of the code again.
18 posted on 11/01/2001 6:18:46 AM PST by Nyralthotep
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To: ikka
No. I certainly don't like unethical or simply unwise actions. But that's not the issue. Whenever there is a story about Microsoft increasing its "dominance" and taking away "choice" by "forcing" people to use its software, there is the underlying assumption that Microsoft carries the power of political force, when in fact it doesn't. It exercises economic force, which is a negative force, because it entails refusing your products or services to certain people. Political force is a positive force, because it actively forces (through the threat of physical coercion) people to do one thing or another. There's always this underlying threat that the minute Microsoft does something "wrong", it's time for the government to step in. That's what I'm reacting to, mainly.
19 posted on 11/01/2001 6:21:15 AM PST by billybudd
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To: amigatec
Opera forever!!!


20 posted on 11/01/2001 6:21:39 AM PST by machman
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