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Businesses feel sting of smoking ban
Duluth News Tribune ^ | November 1, 2001 | PETER PASSI

Posted on 11/01/2001 5:57:16 AM PST by Just another Joe


Employees of Z's Deli in the Holiday Center sit in the newly created smoking section of the restaurant for a break. The owner closed off a section of the restaurant with a separate ventilation system and he says customers don't like it. RENEE KNOEBER / NEWS TRIBUNE


Businesses feel sting of smoking ban

Revenue down under current measure


BY PETER PASSI

"We used to get very good business from smokers in here during lunch and breakfast, but now they don't like it because it's so closed in.''
ZEIDAN ZEIDAN, Z's Deli owner, who says sales have dropped 20 percent.
NEWS TRIBUNE STAFF WRITER:
As the Duluth voters consider the fate of the city's smoking ordinance and amendments that would make it stronger, many businesses are warning of dire economic consequences.

But predictions about the impact smoking restrictions could ultimately have on revenues vary widely.

Since January, when Duluth enacted a less sweeping measure that required restaurants to either keep smoke from drifting into nonsmoking sections or prohibit smoking altogether, overall sales by Duluth restaurants appear to have remained fairly stable.

An analysis of restaurant sales taxes adjusted for inflation using the consumer price index suggests that for the first eight months of this year, restaurant receipts were off 0.6 percent compared to the same period last year.

But that doesn't mean no one has been hurting.

Zeidan Zeidan, owner of Z's Deli in the Holiday Center, said his business has fallen off by about 20 percent since the smoking ordinance took effect.
Although he re-established a smoking section in his restaurant by enclosing it with glass and installing a new vent system, Zeidan said many of his smoking customers still have not returned.

"We used to get very good business from smokers in here during lunch and breakfast, but now they don't like it because it's so closed in,'' he said. "I think they feel isolated.''

Zeidan said that before the ordinance went into effect, the now glassed-in area of his restaurant generated about five times the revenue it does now.

His efforts to win back smoking customers could backfire on Zeidan. New language in the proposed smoking ordinance would no longer permit Zeidan to serve smoking customers even within the confines of the glassed section he spent about $10,000 to install.

A handful of other businesses, including Bellisio's Italian Restaurant, have made similar investments that would be rendered worthless in 2003 by a blanket ban on smoking in restaurants if the proposed ordinance is enacted.

Not all restaurateurs are bemoaning new smoking restrictions, however. Mark Prosen, general manager of Applebee's Neighborhood Grill & Bar, said that even if voters reject the ordinance, he will probably continue to disallow any smoking in the dining area of his restaurant.

Up until the terrorist attacks of Sept. 11, Prosen said Applebee's total sales had been running well ahead of last year's pace.

DIFFERENT STROKES

Dennis Christensen, co-owner of Jim's Hamburgers, said one size doesn't fit all when it comes to smoking policies.

"How you're affected by this depends a lot on the area you're in,'' he said. "Sure, I wish there were less smokers, but the majority of people who come in here are smokers.''

In January, Christensen removed ashtrays from the tables of his Lincoln Park/West End restaurant and saw his sales slip nearly 20 percent. He applied for and received a hardship exemption from the city after documenting the decline.

The no-smoking policy had a less dramatic effect at another restaurant Christensen operates in Duluth's Central Hillside neighborhood, reducing sales there by a little more than 10 percent. Christensen said he saw the restaurant's already narrow 5 percent profit margin shrink when the new smoking rules went into effect, forcing him to borrow money to keep the business open.

Jim's Hamburgers in Central Hillside remains smoke-free, but Christensen said business there has bounced back nearly to former levels.

Christensen is most concerned about his West Duluth restaurant. If voters approve the proposed smoking ban amendments, hardship exemptions will be phased out by 2003. Losing that exemption for his Lincoln Park/West End restaurant frightens Christensen.

"I'd be right back to where I was last year,'' he said. If sales took a dive like that again, Christensen said he'd need to consider closing a restaurant that has served hungry Duluthians for more than 50 years.

As vital as Christensen considers his smoking ordinance exemption, other business owners have found the same status a mixed blessing.

Sean Flaherty, president of a company that operates four Perkins restaurants in the Northland, said that even though he had obtained a hardship exemption from the smoking ordinance for his restaurant in West Duluth, invoking it proved problematic.

With its exemption in hand, the West Duluth Perkins allowed smoking only in the evening, when a higher percentage of smokers typically visited the restaurant, but Flaherty said even that move upset a group of nonsmokers.

"The smoking policy is so divisive, and we, as restaurant operators, are stuck in the middle,'' Flaherty said. Eventually, the West Duluth Perkins went entirely smoke-free.

Nighttime traffic in the restaurant has dropped off substantially, Flaherty said, and at the end of September, he decided to shorten the West Duluth restaurant's hours so it would close at 10 p.m. Sunday through Thursday, staying open through the night only on Friday and Saturday.

Flaherty believes the smoking ordinance played a key role in driving down nighttime traffic at the restaurant and bringing about shorter hours.

"Duluth is not an island,'' Christensen said. "Proctor and Hermantown will be happier than hell to take our customers if we push them up over the hill.''

OTHERS AFFECTED

The proposed smoking ordinance would hit not only restaurants, but bowling alleys and pool halls, too.

"I've lost a lot of sleep over the issue,'' said Scott Carlson, manager of Country Lanes North, a Duluth Heights bowling alley located just a couple of blocks from Hermantown, a city that does not have a smoking ban.

"We've had patrons flat out tell us they'll leave if we ban smoking,'' Carlson said.

Paul Goeb, manager of Stadium Lanes Inc. in the Denfeld neighborhood, pointed out that many teams involved in bowling leagues are a mix of smokers and nonsmokers. If some bowlers decide they want to switch to an alley that allows them to smoke, Goeb said they'll undoubtedly take nonsmoking teammate friends with them.

Kenn Rockler, executive director of Bowling Proprietors of Minnesota, an organization that represents operators of bowling alleys, said he knows of no bowling facility in the state that is completely smoke-free, although a few have prohibited smoking directly on the lanes.

If smoking is banned entirely in Duluth's bowling alleys, Rockler said it will knock the city out of the running to host bowling tournaments. "There's no question about it,'' he said. "If that happens, some of the adult tournaments couldn't even think about Duluth.''

Big money is on the line, Rockler said, pointing to the Minnesota State Women's Bowling Association Tournament that's expected to bring between 16,000 and 17,000 people to Duluth in 2003.

Goeb said the city's policymakers don't fully understand the ramifications of the proposed smoking ordinance because they haven't spent enough time talking to businesses.

"The ones being impacted the most are the ones being talked to the least,'' he said.


PETER PASSI covers business. Call him at (218) 279-5526 or (800) 456-8282 or e-mail him at ppassi@duluthnews.com.


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Here's another example of smoking bans hurting businesses.
Even after making arrangements with completely seperate sections, right down to different ventilation systems, it still seems you can't satisfy the antis. Why try?
FIGHT IT!
1 posted on 11/01/2001 5:57:17 AM PST by Just another Joe
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To: *puff_list
Another update from Duluth Minn.
2 posted on 11/01/2001 6:00:24 AM PST by Just another Joe
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To: Just another Joe
Another good reason to quit smoking. Especially if you have kids.
3 posted on 11/01/2001 6:00:36 AM PST by LurkedLongEnough
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To: LurkedLongEnough
If a person wants to quit, that's fine.
I don't want anybody MAKING me quit.
Which is what the antis have in store for a smoker if they have their way.
4 posted on 11/01/2001 6:03:47 AM PST by Just another Joe
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To: LurkedLongEnough
Another good reason to quit smoking

Oh, and by the way, what would that reason be?

5 posted on 11/01/2001 6:04:29 AM PST by Just another Joe
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To: LurkedLongEnough
No, it's another good reason to quit eating out. Too expensive and too many calories anyway.
6 posted on 11/01/2001 6:09:21 AM PST by walden
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To: LurkedLongEnough
Quit smoking now.

It's for your health.

I don't care if you like it, stop.

I know what's best for you.

It's a dirty habit and should be banned globally.

Do it for the children.

7 posted on 11/01/2001 6:12:42 AM PST by kahoutek
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To: Just another Joe
Hi Joe! I'm with you! I won't stand being made to give up something that is perfectly legal! Anything illegal, I steer clear of. But tobacco and smoking is legal, and I love it. I was brought up in smoke filled homes, the whole family smoked. I hung out in smoke filled bars and smoking restaurants. No asthma. No problems. No wimps.

My Grandfathers, Uncles, Dad, hubby, served time in the military, and the wars. All smoked. No problems.

These pissy antismokers today are true wimps. Ball-less! All the antismokers are wimp wrists. Sorry, but it's true.

8 posted on 11/01/2001 6:13:48 AM PST by SheLion
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To: kahoutek
I'm sick of hearing "it's for the children!"

The "children" can spend $20 dollars a pop for estacy, and I am to quit smoking??!! I don't THINK so!

9 posted on 11/01/2001 6:15:24 AM PST by SheLion
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To: Just another Joe
When will Americans learn that the various "wars" CREATED by the US Government and their little boot-licking state governments, is nothing more than a scare tactic used by them to DESTROY utterly and completely, the Bill of Rights.

War on Poverty

War on Drugs

War on Illiteracy

War on Smokers

War on Terrorism

It's ALL the same, and it's ALL for the same purpose -- the destruction of individual liberties. By supporting one war, you give the nod of approval for ALL of them.

Keep supporting these communist in government and they'll keep INVENTING wars. They've got a million of 'em.

10 posted on 11/01/2001 6:18:00 AM PST by JRadcliffe
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To: JRadcliffe
And the bigger the bucks, the harder the war. I hear ya!
11 posted on 11/01/2001 6:20:01 AM PST by SheLion
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To: SheLion
LOL! They upped the price of cigs to keep the kids from buying them but the kids have more money to blow than Mom and Dad! I can't get over how the government tells a person he cannot allowing smoking in his private establishment that serves the public! Those non-smokers can go to some nice boring bar and drink scotch all night, get drunk and barf all over the place for all I care. They have choices, smokers don't.
12 posted on 11/01/2001 6:23:25 AM PST by Jaidyn
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To: Jaidyn
Jaidyn! They upped the taxes to keep kids from buying cigarettes? heh! I have seen kids buy Niki's that cost $100 dollars. You think cigarette taxes will prevent them from buying? No way. I'm sick of hearing it's for the kids! Cigarettes are NOT for kids! It's for adults who enjoy and choose to smoke.

Higher cigarette taxes have just imposed a big hardship on adults. It has forced us to go elsewhere to buy them. Most of us roll our own now. For under $8.00, you can have a whole carton. Sure beats paying $40-$50 dollars a carton in "this" day and age. I love it! There is always an alternative to Big Tobacco! And the state cigarette taxes! :)

13 posted on 11/01/2001 6:27:51 AM PST by SheLion
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To: SheLion
I rolled a few back in college but have lost the knack.
14 posted on 11/01/2001 6:32:19 AM PST by Eric in the Ozarks
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To: Eric in the Ozarks
You don't have to "roll" them
They have stuffing machines that make a cigarette that looks just like one you would buy.
Anywhere from $10 up to $75.
If you're interested go to your local tobacco shop and ask them.
15 posted on 11/01/2001 6:39:56 AM PST by Just another Joe
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To: SheLion
Correction SheLion, They are totalitarians just like gun control wackos, environmental wackos and every other group who want to control our lives. The newest wackos are the ones that want a National ID card.
These people are as dangerous to our freedoms as are the devils who trashed the WTC.
For what it's worth, I am a non-smoker.
16 posted on 11/01/2001 6:40:38 AM PST by poet
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To: Eric in the Ozarks
Smoke Cheap! It's your civic duty. :)

Smoke Cheap

I went to this site, and invested in a wonderful machine that rolls out perfectly made cigarettes.

Then, at the local Smoke Shop, I buy a bag of tobacco that makes a carton, for $5.75, and a box of 200 filtered tubes for $1.99. Can't beat this. I have made my own now since the 22nd of June. You should really try this. You will have money left over now, for other things. :)

17 posted on 11/01/2001 6:42:01 AM PST by SheLion
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To: poet
poet! You sound like a very nice "non smoker," too. Your not an antismoker! I like that.

There is always one group out there trying to tell another group how to live. It's mind boggling. I hate it.

18 posted on 11/01/2001 6:43:26 AM PST by SheLion
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To: Just another Joe
A nice "tavern" with a bar, burgers, sandwiches, and the like could clean up if they offered smoking. Banning smoking on private property should be unconstitutional. Let the free market decide.
19 posted on 11/01/2001 6:47:43 AM PST by 1Old Pro
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1Old Pro. You hit the nail right on the head! I have often wondered how "they" can go into a private business and tell them how to run it. Kinda makes you think back to the nazi days, doesn't it? :(
20 posted on 11/01/2001 6:50:58 AM PST by SheLion
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