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Why Militias are dead (The legal and financial reasons)
Too many sources to Reference, the link below is a start ^ | 11/5/01 | TaZ

Posted on 11/05/2001 2:25:45 AM PST by TaZ

Common Law is a real thing. It is a real system of laws derived from centuries of work, study and sacrifice of millions of people. It is not trivial and inconsequential as some would have you think. It is the Common Law that is most represented within Our Constitution, Declaration of Independence and Our Bill of Rights. These documents were designed to limit and eliminate the vicious Equity, Maritime or Admiralty Law which was what we (American Patriots not slave sheeples) revolted against as Our Revolution against the totalitarianism of England.

The Anglo-American system (Our system) of jurisprudence is the only one which developed out of what is called the Common Law, that is, the general law of private property known in the British Isles. It is true - Common Law was designed through the centuries to secure the rights of individuals (you and me, that is before the War Powers Act) to property and to make it difficult for property to be taken away from us by a government or governmental structure (bureaucracy) without due process of law. The Common Law was expounded over the years in hundreds of thousands of case decisions as a result of trials in which the Common Law jury acted as the Judges, and in which they exercised the authority to hear and decide questions of both Law and fact. Common Law deals with legal relationships, powers and liabilities, and types of actions rather than theoretical definitions of abstract legal concepts. The Common Law was recognized by Our Founding Fathers and is (er was) the basis of all law in America today.

The Common Law recognizes the Power of Government lies in the common people and not in an elite group of power brokers. It is the terrible Equity, Maritime or Admiralty Laws (laws of contract and the War Powers Act) that steals this power from the people and centralizes it into the hands of a few power oriented men. The Common Law deals in real property whereas the Equity Laws deal in written abstractions of performance (agreements or contracts). In other words, Masters own their own property, work and destiny. We are all Masters when we truly own our own property (No one now really owns their property, it is the possession of the Federal Reserve to back the US Dollar). Slaves do not own property, they usually rent property (e.g. pay exorbitant property taxes) of another and are compelled to perform upon or with that rented (tenured) property according to some agreement or contract.

OK here this is the punch line, read this one carefully.

Our Declaration of Independence charges that America had been progressively subjected to "a jurisdiction foreign to our Constitution" (meaning the unwritten English Constitution). This foreign jurisdiction was a jurisdiction of lawless ad hoc equity derived out of the Roman Civil Law under the stark cover of such obscenities as the Writs of Assistance (which our Courts of today also claim to have the authority to issue) which allowed summary plundering of the colonists' wealth and substance TO THE ADVANTAGE OF the East India Company which controlled the Parliament. (As today, it allows the summary plundering of the American citizens' wealth and substance TO THE ADVANTAGE OF the banks and other financial (lending, insurance, etc.) institutions which control the Congress and State legislatures). It has been recognized and stated for over one hundred years that "we have the best Congress that money can buy."

It is a fantasy that Our government prints (issues) money. It really works like this: The US Congress desires to spend (that' s how they stay in office) more money to buy our votes. There is a problem here as there is no money because the Congress of 1913 gave their own Constitutional right to coin real money away to a bunch of foreign bankers - the Federal Reserve Banks. The Congress must request the Federal Reserve to issue and then lend them (Us) some Federal Reserve notes. The privately owned, tax exempt Federal Reserve Bank lends these notes to the U.S. Government (you and me and our children and neighbors). The tax-exempt Fed only pays the U.S. Treasury about 3 cents per bill for these (regardless of denomination) as printing cost. But when we get these funny pieces of paper we have to pay the full face value back with our blood sweat and tears PLUS ANY INTEREST the thieves think is appropriate for them. Guess what didn't happen in this transaction? The thieving Fed never printed the interest! So We can maybe pay back 100% of what we borrowed but there are no more Fed notes to pay the interest! Every time Our government employees borrows more from the private Fed we get further and further into debt - a debt that can never be paid!

Balancing the budget has nothing to do with paying down this debt. It only implies that the Government collected enough that fiscal year to cover expense on the books (Note: Social Security funds are illegally commingled with the General fund to mask their annual over-spending).

"The burden of debt is as destructive to Freedom as subjugation by conquest."

Benjamin Franklin

In the beginning we paid this bogus and illegal debt with real money - gold - until it was all gone on March 9, 1933 when Roosevelt literally, willfully and without due process of law took the gold away from the American citizen (Us) and gave it to the bunch of thieves at the Fed in exchange for paper (Emergency War Powers Act). Paper which could only do one thing - put us further into irretrievable debt. Why put America into deeper and deeper debt? Reread Franklin's quote in the previous paragraph. The idiotic process continued until 1968 when they took the balance of our silver to pay for even more of these worthless notes.

On June 5, 1933, as a result of a prearranged banking crisis, the Congress of the United States passed House Joint Resolution No. 192, suspending the Gold Standard (they did not abolish it), which means they disestablished the fixed content of the Gold Dollar and took away the Law jurisdiction of the U. S. Standard Dollar Lawful Money. In effect, the entire country, every State and every freeborn, Sovereign American individual, became insolvent and was effectively put into bankruptcy, making it impossible for each State and each individual to either pay their debts, at Law, or to be paid, at Law. This was, in actuality, a criminal act of usurpation of the sovereignty of We The People, by Congress.

Instead of being able to demand payment at Law, or to make payment in Standard Gold Dollars as Lawful money, or the equivalent Treasury currency, redeemable on demand, at Par, We The People were forced on to the credit of the private banks, the Federal Reserve Banks and the commercial banks, and began to pass around their debt instruments, as though it were real money, making use of their debt-claims for the money, and thereby, by the operation of House Joint Resolution No, 192, into an alien and unlawful Federal Executive Equity Jurisdiction, known as lex mercatoria, or the Law Merchant, which is the private rule of the bankers, and from which jurisdiction our forefathers fought, and won, a revolution to be free, and from which jurisdiction our Constitution and Bill of Rights protects Us.

"We the People are the rightful master of both congress and the courts - not to overthrow the Constitution, but to overthrow the men who pervert the Constitution."

Abraham Lincoln

OK, here is the bottom line.

When FDR enacted Emergency War Powers in 1933, Common Law was officially suspended, thus suspending the Constitution. We now live under an illusion. Our Rights are but privledges that may (and probably will) be taken away from us a piece at a time. But you can bet the Global Banking Elite don't want to piss us off, they want us to be a fruitful group of Surfs.

So as far as Martial Law is concerned, the Government doesn't have to declare it, it is already here. Have you ever wondered why We the People don't have the Right to form Militias, arming ourselves, and protecting the Homeland??

Under Emergency War Powers that responsibility was ILLEGALLY given to the National Guard, whose bases ARE all on Federal, not State, lands and were established under Maritime or Admiralty Law. The National Guard was not in existance in American until the 1880s, and was totally restructured under Federal controls in the 1930s. It is a branch of the US Armed Forces.

So all of you so-called brave Patriots will need to join the Armed Forces or National Guard (who are only ex-US Military) to defend the US, because the Militia is dead.

And as such, I'm not sure why we being allowed to have personal weapons, because "A well regulated militia, being necessary to the security of a free state, the right of the people to keep and bear arms, shall not be infringed.", really no longer applies. We are just sheeple to feed the master.

And for us the Common People to revolt, whether armed or legally, now is suicide. It was possible 225 years ago, but it would be totally impossible now. We, the Common people, who make up the Common Militia are no longer necessary, viable, needed and the most of all wanted.

That is why the Militia has become an anachronism and accursed.


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It would be dangerous for the Global Banking Elite to allow the Militia to be adequately armed, organized and ready. Don't you think??
1 posted on 11/05/2001 2:25:45 AM PST by TaZ
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To: TaZ
Have you seen or heard of any Militia meetings or training exercises in your neck of the woods??
2 posted on 11/05/2001 2:26:34 AM PST by TaZ
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To: TaZ
Have you ever wondered why We the People don't have the Right to form Militias, arming ourselves, and protecting the Homeland??

But you do you have loads of militia movements in America.

http://highdesertmilitia.freeyellow.com/Index.htm

Tony

3 posted on 11/05/2001 2:36:59 AM PST by tonycavanagh
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To: TaZ
The Powers that Be hate religious fundamentalism of any kind, and after dispatching Islam to Allah, will turn on the Christian and religious Jew. Of that you can be CERTAIN.
4 posted on 11/05/2001 2:42:08 AM PST by Kerensky
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To: TaZ; First_Salute
North Carolina Militia

From the original NC Constitution of 1788:

17th. That the people have a right to keep and bear arms; that a well regulated militia composed of the body of the people, trained to arms, is the proper, natural and safe defence of a free state. That standing armies in time of peace are dangerous to Liberty, and therefore ought to be avoided, as far as the circumstances and protection of the community will admit; and that in all cases, the military should be under strict subordination to, and governed by the civil power.
From the modern NC Constitution:
Sec. 30. Militia and the right to bear arms. A well regulated militia being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the people to keep and bear arms shall not be infringed; and, as standing armies in time of peace are dangerous to liberty. they shall not be maintained, and the military shall be kept under strict subordination to, and governed by, the civil power. Nothing herein shall justify the practice of carrying concealed weapons, or prevent the General Assembly from enacting penal statutes against that practice.

Note how the liberal politicians watered it down.

5 posted on 11/05/2001 2:45:35 AM PST by snopercod
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To: tonycavanagh
US Constitution. Section 8:

To provide for calling forth the militia to execute the laws of the union, suppress insurrections and repel invasions;

To provide for organizing, arming, and disciplining, the militia, and for governing such part of them as may be employed in the service of the United States, reserving to the states respectively, the appointment of the officers, and the authority of training the militia according to the discipline prescribed by Congress;

Section 2. The President shall be commander in chief of the Army and Navy of the United States, and of the militia of the several states

Bill of rights

2. A well regulated militia, being necessary to the security of a free state, the right of the people to keep and bear arms, shall not be infringed.

5. No person shall be held to answer for a capital, or otherwise infamous crime, unless on a presentment or indictment of a grand jury, except in cases arising in the land or naval forces, or in the militia, when in actual service in time of war or public danger; nor shall any person be subject for the same offense to be twice put in jeopardy of life or limb; nor shall be compelled in any criminal case to be a witness against himself, nor be deprived of life, liberty, or property, without due process of law; nor shall private property be taken for public use, without just compensation.

Federalist 29. Alexander Hamilton:

In times of insurrection, or invasion, it would be natural and proper that the militia of a neighboring State should be marched into another, to resist a common enemy, or to guard the republic against the violence of faction or sedition. This was frequently the case, in respect to the first object, in the course of the late war; and this mutual succor is, indeed, a principal end of our political association. If the power of affording it be placed under the direction of the Union, there will be no danger of a supine and listless inattention to the dangers of a neighbor, till its near approach had superadded the incitements of selfpreservation to the too feeble impulses of duty and sympathy.

Section 311, Title 10, United States Code

(a) The militia of the United States consists of all ablebodied males at least 17 years of age and, except as provided in section 313 of title 32, under 45 years of age who are, or who have made a declaration of intention to become, citizens of the United States and of female citizens of the United States who are commissioned officers of the National Guard.

(b) The classes of the militia are:

(1) the organized militia, which consists of the National Guard and the Naval Militia; and

(2) the unorganized militia, which consists of the members of the militia who are not members of the National Guard or the Naval Militia.

In Dred Scott, the landmark decision on the status of black slaves, Chief Justice Taney listed the rights blacks would have if they were citizens.

"[If blacks were] entitled to the privileges and immunities of citizens... It would give to persons of the negro race, who were recognized as citizens in any one State of the Union, the right to enter every other State whenever they please, singly or in companies...; and it would give the full liberty of speech...; to hold meetings upon public affairs, and to keep and carry arms wherever they went."

6 posted on 11/05/2001 3:09:44 AM PST by TaZ
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To: TaZ
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7 posted on 11/05/2001 3:20:40 AM PST by chainsaw
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To: TaZ
A truly insightful piece, and I concur on every point. Allow me to scramble a couple of your own sentences to answer a query you posed -

And as such, I'm not sure why we being allowed to have personal weapons

But you can bet the Global Banking Elite don't want to piss us off, they want us to be a fruitful group of Surfs.

As I have often predicted on this forum over the years, no jack booted thugs will be kicking in our doors to confiscate our weapons. There will be no need. Eventually, AMMO will become unavailable. It will be rationed in miniscule amounts to registered gun owners for very limited sporting/hunting purposes. Without ammo, weapons are just hunks of metal. There will be no more need to confiscate them than to confiscate bowling balls. Isolated "turn in" laws such as the SKS fiasco in Soviet Kalifornia have been a test of willingness to comply. The results have encouraged them, I'm sure.

Government and media exascerbation of the current climate of fear, and our "war against terrorism" will do much to facilitate such legislation and a lot more. Note the numbers of fearful sheep even here who are willing to submit to anything for the illusion of "safety."

The militia is not alone in its demise. We have lost far more than that in the last century.

8 posted on 11/05/2001 3:23:00 AM PST by another1
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I don't know which state you hail from, TaZ. We can organize and belong to militia units here in Washington State - the catch is that the state won't supply us with weapons as our state constitution directs. Becoming an official military arm of the state in its' defense requires petitioning the Governor here, and then he can call out the citizen's militia as well as designate who the senior leaders of the militia will be. Given the fact that we have a DemonRat for Gov, that isn't going to happen.

But don't count us out yet - we exist still - and in some places our membership is growing. The media has gone all out during Slick's terms to demonize us, and his holdovers are attempting to continue it to this day (anthrax). It won't work - we've been in this country from its' birth, and today's "progressives" are not going to take the patriotism out of the patriots. You know that - that same patriotism is why you are here just like so many others. Granted, our left leaning enemies are here as well to keep an eye on us, but they are more likely to be some of the political casualties in this new America than the patriot movement. Thank God!

9 posted on 11/05/2001 4:00:14 AM PST by 11B3
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To: 11B3
Remember, everything Hitler did in Nazi Germany was perfectly legal. Ho broke no German laws.

I have been all over this country, and I can firmly say that the Governments and Police Agencies in most of this former Repubic look at the Militia as a Clear & Present Danger.

That is why so many, including the FBI, have announced that "Right-Wing Militia" types are a suspect in the current Anthrax threat. It is ridiculous, but they still forward their insane thoughts.

Moreover, para-military organizations (which includes Militias) are outright illegal in many states currently (e.g. New York, California, etc.)

My hope is to educate the unwashed masses, but I'm afraid they are too fat, dumb and happy.

10 posted on 11/05/2001 4:09:34 AM PST by TaZ
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To: TaZ
The global terrorists almost have us down. We must maintain security from them and as our government seems to be slipping into tyranny, we must be vigilant.
11 posted on 11/05/2001 4:25:31 AM PST by mbb bill
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To: TaZ
I too have been all over this country and have done so while actively participating with many patriots in all types of activist events ... spending the evenings and nights talking to them as we slept out on the ground.

The existance of people, committed and organized to resist tyranny is alive and well ... and growing. A lot of it has taken a different tact when it comes to preparation for serious, end-game resistance.

Leaderless Resistance

12 posted on 11/05/2001 4:31:41 AM PST by Jeff Head
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To: another1; Travis McGee; Squantos; Lurker; Noumenon; OWK
Many "load their own".

Many of those, and many others who don't load, have stored significant quantities of ammo against just this possibility.

A lot of those have cahed it.

Find "The Art of the Cache" by Travis McGee here on FR if you haven't already read it. Here's another critical component of how present thinking should (IMHO) evolve.

Leaderless Resistance

When and if the times comes (God forbid ... but unfortunately likely) there will be plenty of ammo to do what is necessary ... and that boils down to getting the supply from the ample quantities that do and will exit amongst the opposition.

FRegards.

14 posted on 11/05/2001 4:36:55 AM PST by Jeff Head
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To: Jeff Head
"Leaderless resistance" as described by Beam is either (a) the worst example of wishful thinking I've ever seen or (b) a deliberate effort, supported by the various JBT agencies, aimed at giving the Feds a casus belli for destroying what remains of the Bill of Rights.
15 posted on 11/05/2001 4:38:59 AM PST by Poohbah
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To: TaZ
These documents were designed to limit and eliminate the vicious Equity, Maritime or Admiralty Law which was what we (American Patriots not slave sheeples) revolted against as Our Revolution against the totalitarianism of England.

Overblown rhetoric alert!

Please go read Robert Conquest's work before ever using the word "totalitarianism" again.

17 posted on 11/05/2001 4:46:12 AM PST by Poohbah
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To: Poohbah
Bah, poo. Give us concrete examples of what you charge in A and B. Then refute them.

FR is full of empty rhetoric. You appear to be full of more than that.

18 posted on 11/05/2001 4:56:17 AM PST by tpaine
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To: TaZ
"These are the times that try men's souls."
19 posted on 11/05/2001 4:59:14 AM PST by Countyline
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To: Poohbah
Think what you will. If it is feel that the government must destroy the Bill of Rights because people choose, in their own privacy, to associate with people of like mind and to prepare against the future ... then they reveal themselves as absolute enemies of We the People sure enough.

The facts made in that essay is simple. Do not try and form large pyramid structures because they are the ones easily identified and destroyed. Instead, form small, indpendent units of your own where you make your own plans with those you trust without advertising it.

It is this course of action that scares those who would be overlords the most. It does so because the resources do not exist, indeed cannot exist, to ferret such a thing out ... even the draconian measures you imply would not ferret it out ... they would only cause it to increase dramatically.

So, I have no problem with the concept of leaderrless resistancce. In a nut shell, it is simply free and independent thought.

20 posted on 11/05/2001 5:06:00 AM PST by Jeff Head
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