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NASA Run Shuttle May Go Private
Space.com ^ | 11/06/01 | Steven Siceloff

Posted on 11/06/2001 6:47:03 AM PST by Brett66

CAPE CANAVERAL - NASA is considering a fundamental overhaul for its shuttle program by turning it over to a private company, according to a preliminary report now being discussed inside the agency.

Any changes are not anticipated until 2004 at the earliest, agency spokesman Dwayne Brown said. Even that is an ambitious schedule. That is the only tangible date NASA cites for the plan.

Facing rising costs and flat funding, NASA cannot afford business-as-usual for its prized shuttle program. As a NASA Administrator, Dan Goldin called for the agency to look at new ways to shift more control of the shuttle to the private sector. But the idea has some supporters and detractors.

"Of all the times for this to come up, this is the worst," said U.S. Sen. Bill Nelson, D-Melbourne.

But for NASA managers, time is of the essence: NASA faces a $1 billion shortfall in the shuttle program during the next five years, and President Bush has made it clear that the agency must live within its means.

Shuttle Program Manager Ron Dittemore led a team of NASA and industry officials through a concept plan for handing control of the $3.1 billion-a-year project over to the private sector.

Under the plan publicly released by NASA:

The space agency would be a customer for the orbiter fleet. A private company or organization would operate the spacecraft, potentially selling its services for non-NASA missions.

Astronauts, flight directors and launch controllers would work for the new company instead of under NASA auspices.

NASA would employ a small group of safety officers for the program.

As many as 900 civil servants would move out from NASA.

"A more strategic approach is needed for the next 20 years," Brown said. "Something of this magnitude, you need to look at all of the options."

The closest NASA has come to relinquishing control of its orbiters was the creation of United Space Alliance to handle shuttle launch preparations.

The move put scores of NASA employees under company control and streamlined paperwork. However, NASA maintains vigorous oversight and still commands a shuttle at launch and in flight.

The company is a joint venture between The Boeing Co. and Lockheed Martin. It was formed to eventually place all of the shuttle preparation contracts under one company.

USA has saved NASA $1.2 billion since October 1996, according to spokesman Jack King.

The team that drafted the plan has taken it to NASA centers for critiques during the past month and refuses to speak about the paper.

"Because it's an internal discussion right now, (Dittemore) does not want to talk about it at length," Johnson Space Center spokesman James Hartsfield said. "Right now its almost kind of a brainstorming session."

United Space Alliance officials were equally silent, saying it was NASA's prerogative to decide how it wants to operate the shuttles.

"We contributed our expertise," King said.

NASA may have a hard time figuring out how much it can save since the agency does not have an accurate price for the program to begin with, the NASA Inspector General said in a report last year.

Nelson said privatization is an option that should not be considered for the shuttle fleet since it serves as a back-up satellite launcher.

He compared it to the Pentagon handing over control of its forces to an outside company to fight a war, with the Pentagon merely sending in target lists and mission objectives.

"It's our means of assured access to space," Nelson said. "It is vital to putting up signals . . . intelligence satellites should the other rockets fail."

The space agency pursued privatization under orders from the White House.

Instead of sending NASA on a chase to find a way to give the shuttles to a private company, Nelson said the White House should establish increased budgets for NASA to cover higher costs, and Congress should approve those increases.

"It's hard for Congress to do it unless the Administration is supporting us," Nelson said.

Tom Young, chairman of the International Space Station Management and Cost Evaluation Task Force, said fundamental management practices have to be changed in the space program whether the government runs it, or the private sector.

"I think if you are managing a program where the metrics you are managing to are not consistent with what others are measuring the performance against, you're probably going to have problems whether you are in the public or private sector," he said.

Such inconsistent management helped produce a $4.8 billion cost overrun in the station project that Florida Today revealed in an investigation of the space station last summer.

Published under license from FLORIDA TODAY. Copyright © 2001 FLORIDA TODAY. No portion of this material may be reproduced in any way without the written consent of


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I wonder how much power this company would have. Could they eliminate the shuttle for a better system if it was losing money? This seems to be a good direction for NASA to take.
1 posted on 11/06/2001 6:47:03 AM PST by Brett66
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To: RightWhale; gcruse; anymouse; RadioAstronomer; NonZeroSum; Cincinatus' Wife; Cincinatus...
Ping.
2 posted on 11/06/2001 6:49:11 AM PST by Brett66
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To: Brett66
Eliminating this glorified space truck would be a great idea. There is absolutely el zippo need to send more humans into orbit. Bill Nelson and other FL political hacks just want all of the government dependent Space Coast votes.
3 posted on 11/06/2001 6:52:38 AM PST by StockAyatollah
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NASA will never let go of their death grip on America's manned space program (or what's left of it, anyway.) The little clinton lickspittle, Daniel Golden, will kill the program before relinquishing control.
4 posted on 11/06/2001 7:00:33 AM PST by snopercod
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Golden=Goldin
5 posted on 11/06/2001 7:01:04 AM PST by snopercod
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Is Goldin the one who's retiring? I think privitization is the only way to go but like you, I doubt NASA will ever voluntarily give up its death grip on the space industry. So much for Luna City, huh?
6 posted on 11/06/2001 7:03:01 AM PST by JenB
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To: StockAyatollah
NASA has commitments to meet in regards to the ISS (another boondoggle) so they'll have to continue sending humans into orbit for awhile. The problem they face is that the ISS has gouged their budget so bad that they are running out of money to do anything, including shuttle operations. They are faced with the reality of making radical changes or abandonment of their most prominent programs. There's a small potential, if they continue in their budget busting ways, that congress could disband the agency and/or reevaluate their purpose. They wouldn't survive as the NASA we know today. This might be a good thing though.
7 posted on 11/06/2001 7:08:15 AM PST by Brett66
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To: JenB
Is Goldin the one who's retiring?

Yes, T-12 Days and counting.

8 posted on 11/06/2001 7:08:55 AM PST by NonZeroSum
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To: StockAyatollah
Keep in mind that Bill Nelson (now Dem. US Senator from FL, who succeeded the retiring Connie Mack), actually flew on the Shuttle when he was in the House of Representatives in the 80s. So I'm sure his opinion is highly biased and based upon his attachment to NASA in letting him fly.
9 posted on 11/06/2001 7:23:25 AM PST by Fishbones
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So, is this a "privatization" scheme like the one used with the Postal Service? If so, it will fail miserably - just like the Postal Service ...

If we're going to privatize NASA then sell its assets to a private company and give them absolute control. Don't repeat the mistakes of the past by peripherally "privatizing" the monster (i.e. bastardizing the thing) and then whining when nothing gets better (or everything gets worse).

10 posted on 11/06/2001 7:30:15 AM PST by jimkress
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Could they eliminate the shuttle for a better system if it was losing money?

No. This effort is a complete fraud. It's Goldin's attempt to show NASA fiscal "repsonsibility" by off-loading as much work as he can onto contractors. What does this accomplish? It lowers the total amount of engaged Civil Service FTE (Full Time Equivalents, i.e., NASA employees), while continuing flying Shuttle under a contractor, who doesn't have to account for federal FTE.

But it still costs the federal government a billion dollars a flight. This doesn't save any tax money -- it's an accounting gimmick designed to make the agency look good. Moreover, the "contractor" still has to answer to NASA supervision, so he doesn't even have a chance of grounding Shuttle or operating the system more cheaply (BTW, it's being operated now just about as cheaply as possible and still retain some reasonable safety margin -- Fundamentally, the Shuttle is a very expensive way to get payload into orbit. That's built into its design and nothing Goldin does managerially will change that).

Goldin needs to begone and begone now and forever. What a sickening creep.


11 posted on 11/06/2001 7:39:39 AM PST by Cincinatus
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It's probably the same old-same old. I can't see how any company can make a profit operating the space shuttle. If the Ariane 5 ever becomes man-rated, then contracting them for the manned flights and axing the shuttle would be about the only way to turn a profit. This would be an unpalatable solution to a lot of people, but if being financially sound is a real consideration, then it would be on the table.
12 posted on 11/06/2001 7:47:10 AM PST by Brett66
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I suspected NASA was just playing a financial shell game. They are confronted with cold hard reality. They can only afford one boondoggle at a time. They can't afford to build the ISS and operate the shuttle. It will be interesting to see how they get out of this fix they're in. I pity the next administrator, but then again it could be a magnificent opportunity to fundamentally change NASA's direction for the better.
13 posted on 11/06/2001 7:56:59 AM PST by Brett66
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They can only afford one boondoggle at a time. They can't afford to build the ISS and operate the shuttle.

That's an interesting observation and a nice statement of the NASA dilemma with ISS and Shuttle -- one is the purpose of the other. ISS was created as a place for Shuttle to go to and the purpose of Shuttle is to service ISS. What to do, what to do??

Frankly, I think NASA is doomed. It's survived up till now on a wing and a prayer, but basically, it doesn't have the high level of political support (legislative or executive) needed to keep it healthy. It's been on life-support for the past decade. Does Dubya have the nerve to pull the plug?

14 posted on 11/06/2001 8:02:27 AM PST by Cincinatus
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To: snopercod
The little clinton lickspittle, Daniel Golden, will kill the program before relinquishing control

Goldin is soon to be a fond memory. When is his last day? Was it last week or next week. Nobody cares about NASA, not the White House, not Congress, not the Pentagon. Shut it down. JPL and Johns Hopkins can work just as well without NASA's direction.

16 posted on 11/06/2001 9:13:17 AM PST by RightWhale
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Could they eliminate the shuttle for a better system if it was losing money?

Even Goldin wants to see a new booster system developed. Of course he will be a civilian like the rest of us. Who will develop a new launcher?

17 posted on 11/06/2001 9:15:25 AM PST by RightWhale
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"Of all the times for this to come up, this is the
worst," said U.S. Sen. Bill Nelson, D-Melbourne.

One wonders what is so bad about now.
And when did we declare Melbourne a state?

18 posted on 11/06/2001 11:25:56 AM PST by gcruse
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To: gcruse
Must have moved. It used to be D-Tallahassee.
19 posted on 11/06/2001 11:30:48 AM PST by RightWhale
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To: Cincinatus
Does Dubya have the nerve to pull the plug?

I would love to be surprised, but I doubt it. After thirty years of hamstringing NASA, the left would mount a mock battle to save it and the next election they would harp about Bush killing the little chillin's dreams of living on Mars.

NASA is space industry's answer to the gun industry's BATF.

20 posted on 11/06/2001 11:40:09 AM PST by hopespringseternal
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