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No escape for Taleban from the ‘daisy cutter’
The Scotsman ^ | November 7, 2001 | Tim Ripley

Posted on 11/06/2001 9:55:00 PM PST by HAL9000

AMERICA’S enemies in Afghanistan are now being attacked with huge 15,000lb fuel air bombs that kill every creature within a square mile radius of the impact point.

The first of these weapons, sometimes called "vacuum bombs" or "daisy cutters", were dropped out of the rear cargo ramps of a USAF C-130 Hercules transport aircraft on Sunday with the aim of terrorising Taleban troops opposing Northern Alliance forces.

Short of nuclear weapons, fuel air explosives are the most powerful weapons in the US arsenal and their use indicates that the Pentagon is trying to break Taleban morale.

Officially called the BLU-82, the bomb was designed during the Vietnam war to clear helicopter landing zones in thick jungle, but has since been used as a psychological terror weapon to break enemy resistance at key points of the battlefield.

Eleven were used to devastating effect during the 1991 Gulf war, with one attack alone killing an estimated 4,500 Iraqi troops. US Special Force troops are the only units equipped with the bombs and they co-ordinate their attacks with leaflet drops and propaganda broadcasts to induce enemy troops to desert or surrender.

The tactic worked spectacularly well in Kuwait, where thousands of Iraqis surrendered rather than risk being on the receiving end.

According to one British Army expert: "Within the blast effect radius of the BLU-82, lethality to personnel is 100 per cent" - which is military speak for saying anyone caught by the explosion dies.

The weapons are a combination of warheads, which first explode and spread a fine kerosene vapour into the atmosphere. A secondary explosion then ignites the fuel vapour, creating a massive pressure wave. Anyone caught in the conflagration is incinerated and the blast wave sucks out oxygen behind it, creating a vacuum that ruptures lungs.

"Personnel near the ignition point are obliterated," added the expert. "Those on the fringes are likely to suffer internal injuries - burst ear drums, crushed organs, ruptured lungs, severe concussion and possibly blindness."

No confirmation has emerged from the Pentagon of where the BLU-82s have been used, but they are "wide area" rather than precision weapons so cannot be used near civilian population areas or Northern Alliance lines.

The ideal targets would be concentrations of Taleban troops protected by field fortifications, bunkers or armoured vehicles. The fuel vapour of the weapon instantly penetrates into bunkers, vehicles or buildings before ignition. Experts say conventional body armour and bunkers provide no protection.

One US Special Forces soldier described the aftermath of a BLU-82 attack on Iraqi troops: "Many of our soldiers were at loss to explain what caused the Iraqis to die. After days or even weeks worth of exposure to the desert , evidence of blood had typically dried or become obscured by oil and sand particles so the Iraqi corpses showed absolutely no outward sign of violent death.

"Fuel air bombs merely suffocated their victims and they fell where they stood. Victims were typically found with massive amounts of blood flowing from all bodily orifices."

He added: "It is a very violent and painful way to die ."



TOPICS: News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: afghanistan; daisycutters
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1 posted on 11/06/2001 9:55:00 PM PST by HAL9000
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To: HAL9000
I hope this doesn't have to happen to too many of them before they surrender, allow a free government, and turn over Osama. The 72 virgins don't like guys with collapsed organs.
2 posted on 11/06/2001 10:00:51 PM PST by doug from upland
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To: HAL9000
Precisely what the vermon deserve.
3 posted on 11/06/2001 10:05:13 PM PST by RussP
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To: HAL9000
every creature within a square mile radius of the impact point

What is a square mile radius? This mathematical terminology is new to me.
Since a radius cannot be a square, the only possible interpretation would be
the radius of a circle whose area is one square mile, ie 2983 feet.

4 posted on 11/06/2001 10:08:29 PM PST by Nogbad
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To: HAL9000
Presumably . . . caves might be a reasonable escape hatch from "daisy cutter" employment !!!
5 posted on 11/06/2001 10:09:03 PM PST by GeekDejure
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To: HAL9000
"Personnel near the ignition point are obliterated."

Oh, I like that word obliterated in relationship to the Taliban!

6 posted on 11/06/2001 10:12:47 PM PST by kayak
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To: HAL9000
Victims were typically found with massive amounts of blood flowing from all bodily orifices."
He added: "It is a very violent and painful way to die ."


Certainly sounds like it would be.
7 posted on 11/06/2001 10:19:15 PM PST by Prodigal Son
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To: Prodigal Son
"It is a very violent and painful way to die ."

Not as violent and horrible as having to jump out out of the WTC. Hope they have enough of these big mothers in the warehouse to do another number on Saddam, too, just for old time's sake.

8 posted on 11/06/2001 10:26:23 PM PST by Big Bunyip
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To: Nogbad
This mathematical terminology is new to me. Since a radius cannot be a square, the only possible interpretation would be the radius of a circle whose area is one square mile, ie 2983 feet.

Hmmm, my calculator says the radius would be about 2978.92105 feet.

9 posted on 11/06/2001 10:33:09 PM PST by HAL9000
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To: doug from upland
It is a hard thing for me to say, but then, God and Darwin must sadly both agree on this one fact: If you are flippin stupid enough to think that marching into Afganistan under "Allah's protection" is going to spare you being made into sausage by a Daisycutter dropped by the richest nation on earth, than you are one dumb ba$tard, and need to be removed from the gene pool right now. Here is your Ghost Dance Shirt, Abdul.

The obvious question is: Where in the heck is Allah getting all the virgins for you poor dumb ba$tards?

Play with fire and get burned, Abdul.

Additionally, I find with the current unpleasantness, all I can think about is the old SF TV series, "The Visitors". They came to us, they looked like us, they lived among us. They protested they were just like us, that they wanted just what we wanted, even if they did things in odd and different ways. "We represent no threat," they assured us. Some cried out dire warnings, but they were silenced by the forces of what we today call "political correctness." They were, after all, our fiends.

But in that old series, it rapidly became clear that they were nothing like us. People started disappearing, and before long, their true, reptillian nature was revealed. We were nothing to them but something to be preyed on. Their goal was our total obliteration.

A resistance formed, and at the heart of that force was a balding, aged former CIA agent. The guy wasn't handsome, or brillantly intelligent, but he was a fighter, and wasn't going to let a bunch of damn lizards harm another human. They came up with the "Red Dust", a bio-agent that hurt the lizards, and not humans. One of my fondest memories of that series, was the day that after a year of fighting the rebels overtook the main Visitor compound and "dusted" the place.

In a great tag, our Agent slugs a Visitor guard, pours a handful down his throat, and watches him quake like an epileptic (no cut on epileptics) until he dies.

Hey Mr. Taliban, we're coming.

V - The Visitors

And since I just figured out the HTML to post pix, here's 50's Dad himself. (That's a TARDOS console, BTW)


10 posted on 11/06/2001 10:35:23 PM PST by 50sDad
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To: 50sDad
DOH! TARDOS=TARDIS!
11 posted on 11/06/2001 10:36:41 PM PST by 50sDad
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To: HAL9000
This news article is total nonsense. The BLU-82 is not a fuel-air bomb. It's explosive material is 15,000 lbs of aluminum powder.
12 posted on 11/06/2001 10:37:08 PM PST by Black Powder
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To: HAL9000
my calculator says the radius would be about 2978.92105 feet I think you'll find that the figure you mention is half a linear mile. I didn't pay atention in math class, but I'm sure one of the mathematicaly gifted freepers can tell us the radius of a circle covering a square mile.
13 posted on 11/06/2001 10:37:15 PM PST by Big Bunyip
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To: HAL9000
2978.9210011368

2978.9210011368
You are exactly right, I mistyped Pi into my calculator.

14 posted on 11/06/2001 10:38:42 PM PST by Nogbad
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To: Big Bunyip
well the FAE's use is warranted...after all...what better way to get rid of a bunch of bugs err...i mean taliban
15 posted on 11/06/2001 10:39:48 PM PST by MetalHeadConservative35
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To: Nogbad
Silly me. Ignore than last post. Sister Brophy would have beaten the daylights out of me for that.
16 posted on 11/06/2001 10:42:31 PM PST by Big Bunyip
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To: 50sDad
WOW, another Dr Who fan ! : - )
17 posted on 11/06/2001 10:44:46 PM PST by nopardons
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To: Black Powder
Exactamundo Mr. Powder, that's what I thought. These are two very different weapons. I saw something on TV today that confused the issue in a similiar way. I think they used the daisy cutters over the weekend and are starting to use the FAE's now, but who knows... One thing for sure, both are bad news for anyone on the receiving end.
18 posted on 11/06/2001 11:00:46 PM PST by SierraFoxtrot
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To: HAL9000; Travis McGee
Hal I know your just posting this but Tim Riply is a lying Bullsh*tting Fool for trying to sell this story to the sheeple.

The BLU-82 is not a Fuel Air Explosive (FAE). The BLU-82 is a 12,500 pound charge of GSX based slurry in a palletized bomb shaped container with a total weight of 15,000 pounds that is dropped from a C-130.

The FAE bomb BLU-73 (one of many different types) is dispersed from a SUU-21 (etc etc) dispenser (carries three of em in each dispenser) on fighter bombers or A-10's.

This story is pure BS from the reporters side as no SF or Brit "expert" would have ever said such as it is just not even close to being true.

But don't trust my 26 years in Explosive Ordnance Disposal go to:

http://www.fas.org/man/dod-101/sys/dumb/blu-82.htm

and see for yourselves. FAE uses exotic fuels and small detonators and relies on overpressure for it's damage and BLU-82 uses the AN like mix with same blast effects as everyone saw in OKC except three times as much damage where it is employed. Never would there be any doubt as to how someone was killed in either incident. FAE will leave your lungs hanging on the outside of your chest and BLU-82 will leave pieces of your lungs (amoungst other body parts) 300 yards apart from blast.

His quotes of GI's if criminal and stone cold lies......Stay Safe.

19 posted on 11/06/2001 11:15:52 PM PST by Squantos
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To: Black Powder
See my post # 19. You beat me to the BS Button.

Stay safe.....

20 posted on 11/06/2001 11:19:27 PM PST by Squantos
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