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The dire game that produced Bin Ladenism
Mpls (red)Star Tribune / New York Times ^ | 11/7/01 | Thomas L. Friedman

Posted on 11/07/2001 6:59:47 AM PST by Valin

Edited on 04/13/2004 3:36:00 AM PDT by Jim Robinson. [history]

DOHA, QATAR -- If you want to know why the United States is hated in the Arab street, read the recent editorial in the semiofficial Egyptian daily, Al Ahram, written by its editor, Ibrahim Nafie. After saying that the United States was deliberately making humanitarian food drops in areas of Afghanistan full of land mines, Nafie added: "Similarly, there were several reports that the humanitarian materials have been genetically treated, with the aim of affecting the health of the Afghan people. If this is true, the U.S. is committing a crime against humanity by giving the Afghan people hazardous humanitarian products."


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TOPICS: Editorial; Foreign Affairs
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Thomas L. Friedman IMHO this guy has been doing some yeomans work since 9/11
1 posted on 11/07/2001 6:59:47 AM PST by Valin
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To: Valin
Yea, just because the US government would use their own citizens for experimentation without their knowledge doesn't mean they would do it to Arabs during a war.
2 posted on 11/07/2001 7:05:00 AM PST by vmatt
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To: vmatt
Did you make this reply to the wrong post? What?
3 posted on 11/07/2001 7:11:43 AM PST by c-five
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To: vmatt
I don't give a damn whether you, or the whole, world hates us, or not.
4 posted on 11/07/2001 7:19:32 AM PST by onedoug
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To: vmatt
Oh boy another anti-biotech "hero" flares his cape.

Listen pal, perhaps you should study up a little more and quit crying about how biotech is going to destroy the world and actually educate yourself about how bio-tech will end world hunger...increase rainforests and actually make this world a better place. All of you anti-biotech goons are beginning to sound more like Ted Kacyzinski everyday.

5 posted on 11/07/2001 7:25:58 AM PST by francisandbeans
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To: Valin
What these Arab regimes still do not get is that Sept. 11 has exposed their game. They think America is on trial now, but in fact it is stale regimes like Egypt and Saudi Arabia, which produced the hijackers, that are on trial. Will they continue to let Islam be hijacked by antimodernists, who will guarantee that the Arab world falls further behind? Will they continue to blame others? Or will they look in the mirror, take on intolerance, and open their societies to a different future?

My guess is they won't as they really care more about their own power then their people. "Better to rule in hell than serve in heaven."

6 posted on 11/07/2001 7:31:08 AM PST by Valin
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To: Valin
What murky future awaits this region?

I think their murky future is here and now, if we stay the course.

7 posted on 11/07/2001 7:37:18 AM PST by Marauder
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To: onedoug
I don't give a damn whether you, or the whole, world hates us, or not.

I rather like what Teddy Roosevelt once said. "I don't want other countries to love America. I want other countries to respect us, and in some cases, fear us."

8 posted on 11/07/2001 7:42:45 AM PST by scooter2
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To: Valin
He's not only a superb writer, but an extremely articulate, passionate speaker. Since you like his work, do make a point of seeing him some time on tv. Friedman, author of the classic FROM BERUIT TO JERUSALEM is an exceptional interview subject.
9 posted on 11/07/2001 8:03:42 AM PST by meridia
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To: meridia
He's on Charlie Rose regularly I really like him, even if he is a leftie.
10 posted on 11/07/2001 8:09:04 AM PST by Valin
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To: Valin
Nice to see another commentator has figured it out.
11 posted on 11/07/2001 8:24:30 AM PST by TheDon
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To: Valin
"This is the game that produced Bin Ladenism: Arab regimes fail to build a real future for their people. This triggers seething anger."

Um...no.  This "anger" has been an important and integral aspect of bigoted fundamental Islam since the days of the first Mohammedans.  Don't idiot intellectuals, who are spending all this effort of "understanding" Muslim and Arab anger get it?

How is it that when Europe descended into the depths of the Dark Ages the Muslims protected and copied the knowledge of the great civilizations before them -- preserving the works of Aristotle and other mathematicians, philosophers, architects and etc. -- WITHOUT LEARNING FROM THEM?  Why is it that Europe exploded forward after the Dark Ages, with the help of the knowledge saved by Muslims, while Islamic culture and society stagnated for the next 1,000 years and seethed in hatred.

I know why: because at some point in history, the Arabian/Islamic mindset became a mindset completely incapable of tolerating a Free Inquiry, and the Islamic populace, in general, lives in fear of it's governments.

At some point in their histories, most every society has slipped into this situation but, the difference between Islamic society and all the others is that the others conquered these black moments and came out stronger.  Muslims, on the other hand have been stuck in intolerance and repression for over 800 years.

I'd probably feel more sympathy about the situation if it hadn't gone on for hundreds of years.  It's like, you feel bad for someone that loses their job and risks becoming homeless but, you don't feel bad for someone that's always been homeless for no reason other than being too damn lazy to work for a living.  There's a point where you just have to say, "You know what?  Get you're sh!t together because the rest of us are sick of it."

Well, here's the message :

Dear Islam,

Get your sh!t together, because the rest of us are sick of it.

Sincerely,

The Rest Of Us

 

12 posted on 11/07/2001 8:42:20 AM PST by Psycho_Bunny
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To: Valin
What murky future awaits this region?

The same as their past. War, famine, death, destruction, internectine violence, insurrection, colonialism, occupation. These regimes are not worth propping up IMHO. Let them fall, it is the natural course of human events.

13 posted on 11/07/2001 8:42:50 AM PST by monkeyshine
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To: Valin
Friedman again nails it.
14 posted on 11/07/2001 8:43:10 AM PST by JmyBryan
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To: Valin; JmyBryan; c-five; vooch; Voronin; Hamiltonian
Maybe Freidman is covering his ass because he cheerleadered Clinton's air war on behald of the AL-Qaeda linked Kosovo Liberation Army.

Can anyone do me a solid and post his infamous bomb the Serbs to the middle ages column? Freidman is a scum bag of the highest order.

15 posted on 11/07/2001 11:33:50 AM PST by Pericles
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To: Valin; JmyBryan; c-five; vooch; Voronin; Hamiltonian
monthlyreview

Notes from the Editors

In his article on the U.S. economy in this issue, Doug Henwood quotes from a piece by Thomas Friedman in the New York Times Magazine on March 28, and points to the connection between Friedman's view of globalization and his support for the bombing of Yugoslavia. Well, we read that article and were very much struck by it too. Anyone who thinks we're over the top when we say things like Ellen did in June's Review of the Month about the "new imperialism" should just read Friedman's "Manifesto for the Fast World."

Here's a relatively sane U.S. journalist, not some right-wing nut-case but more like a spokesman for the more progressive elements in the current administration (in the piece, he even seems to call himself a social democrat). Yet his "Manifesto," in which he clearly thinks he's saying something humane and progressive, spells out in blood-chilling explicitness exactly the program of the new imperialism.

Drawing precisely the kind of distinction Ellen was making between hegemony over specific territories and hegemony over the global economy, Friedman also shows how the new type of imperial hegemony requires displays of military force designed not to achieve specific and immediate objectives but to make a general point about U.S. domination. So much for those who say that U.S. objectives in the war over Kosovo must be humanitarian because there's no obvious national or strategic interest there for the United States.

Since the United States is the country that benefits most from globalization, Friedman tells us, it's also the one that has to take the main responsibility for sustaining it. "Sustaining globalization is our overarching national interest .... Globalization-is-U.S.." This, he says, is different from "old-fashioned imperialism, when one country physically occupies another." Now, it's a matter of maintaining "an abstract globalization system." And this "requires a stable geopolitical power structure, which simply cannot be maintained without the active involvement of the United States."

The quote cited by Doug says it all: "The hidden hand of the market will never work without the hidden fist—McDonald's cannot flourish without McDonnell Douglas, the designer of the F-15. And the hidden fist that keeps the world safe for Silicon Valley's technologies is called the United States Army, Air Force, Navy and Marine Corps."

Naturally, the hidden fist has to come out of hiding with some regularity, if it's going to make its point. Friedman goes on to quote approvingly from foreign policy historian Robert Kagan: "Good ideas and technologies need a strong power that promotes those ideas by example and protects those ideas by winning on the battlefield. If a lesser power were promoting our ideas and technologies, they would not have the global currency that they have."

And then, guess what? Friedman moves on to the subject of Kosovo, as an example of how the United States can display its military power. According to the Times, the article went to the printer before the bombing started, but since then he has become one of the most avid supporters of the air war. In an article in the Times on April 23, for instance, he called for a "merciless air war," to "pulverize" the Serbian nation—bombing it back to the fourteenth century if necessary. "Give war a chance," he said. In preference to a ground invasion that might bog the United States down as an occupying force for years, "Let's see what months of bombing does." Well, after more than two months of bombing, we have some idea of what it does—and if its sheer destructiveness, its damage to human beings (never mind its failure to save a single human life), is a funny way to achieve "humanitarian" objectives, it has certainly worked much better as one of those exemplary displays of the fist.

In his manifesto, Friedman also explains that Americans, who "were ready to pay any price and bear any burden in the cold war," are unwilling to die for that "abstract globalization system." That's why "house-to-house fighting is out; cruise missiles are in." He could just as easily have said "that's why ground troops are out and high-tech bombing is in. We don't want to die ourselves for globalization, but we don't mind killing others."

Maybe we should have let Friedman write our Review of the Month on the new imperialism.

After we finished the above notes, a settlement on Kosovo was announced and is apparently being implemented as we go to press. The papers are, of course, full of NATO's "victory." But let's get a few things straight.

The United States and its allies went to war allegedly to prevent a humanitarian disaster. They failed spectacularly. In fact, their action enabled that disaster to happen—and more quickly and completely than even its perpetrators could have imagined. In the process, NATO also created another humanitarian disaster all its own: a whole country and its infrastructure wrecked, civilian lives ended or ruined (including the lives of people NATO's action was supposed to save), ecological damage that will affect the region and its people indefinitely, and who knows what local and regional conflicts to come.

On top of all that, the Financial Times revealed on June 14 that "the talks with Mr. Milosevic, both open and covert, were more of a negotiation than the leaders of NATO countries have admitted." The deal was clinched by secret negotiations assuring Milosevic that NATO would settle on terms "significantly better" than the conditions offered at Rambouillet. This reinforces the suspicion that what NATO achieved at such great human cost was not vastly different from what they very likely could have had without this awful war.

The spin doctors are working overtime to convince us that this is a glorious triumph. But if conventional wisdom comes to accept this disaster as a great success for NATO, it will have very dangerous repercussions for the whole world.

16 posted on 11/07/2001 11:56:04 AM PST by Pericles
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To: Pericles
Pericles. Please forgive me for I have done wrong. Here are links to all the Friedman articles in the NYT. The one you want is 'Stop the Music' - NYT April 23rd 1999. May I suggest that everyone saves a copy before we are rumbled.

Regs

VRN

P.S. Do I get a medal?

Forget the forgivenss stuff.

17 posted on 11/07/2001 3:15:06 PM PST by Voronin
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To: Pericles
Very good, now would you like to address this article?
18 posted on 11/07/2001 8:04:45 PM PST by Valin
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To: Valin
What Friedman calls Bin Ladenism I call BIN LADEN GATE.

Bin Laden was globalisim's pet pit bull till the pit bull turned on it's trainer.

19 posted on 11/07/2001 9:11:20 PM PST by Pericles
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